Whether you have insurance or not, if you cause damage, you're liable. The insurance really is there to stop you being financially wiped out if you're liable.

Other side is - what if a pedestrian fell off the kerb and hit your car? Should pedestrians carry insurance?

I heard that household insurance may cover for this type of 3rd party liability

sorry to resurrct this, but i've just experienced arrogant and arsehole mountain bikers on the pennine trail.
not only do they apparently not adhere to the highway code they dont adhere to the country side code either.
mobs of pretentious dicks on £800 cycles,riding at 30mph along a walkers route. even worse they dont shut the sodding gates. the gates are put in for a reason.
probably to slow the dixxheadsdown actually.

hey just cos u cant get your bum legs on a bike it doesnt mean fit healthy people shouldnt, try it u might like it!!! is cayenne a wanna be cyclist or a wanna be 911 driver?

hey just cos u cant get your bum legs on a bike it doesnt mean fit healthy people shouldnt, try it u might like it!!! is cayenne a wanna be cyclist or a wanna be 911 driver?


there's a difference between riding a bike and being an arxehole. at least i know the highway code & countryside code and use it when i'm out cycling.
fortunately i'm neither wannabe - i have both.

there's a difference between riding a bike and being an arxehole. at least i know the highway code & countryside code and use it when i'm out cycling.
fortunately i'm neither wannabe - i have both.

Now then. Whats with the ********s and arseholes? Im a little offended at that.

willman knows it all i think!!! not. go away

Now then. Whats with the ********s and arseholes? Im a little offended at that.


offended at wot, the fact that you dont close gates along the penine trail or the fact your a cyclist.
being a cyclist doesn't infer you have to be a arsehole,just the ones that act like they own the bridleways just 'cos they turn up in a van marked cycling team.

Some of you need to take anger management. Your directing your frustrations in all the wrong places.... Now..count to ten...Lol. ;-)

I havnt even read the whole lot, but i pretty much think what the title says is ********. Which one was invented first? and which one was on roads first? just because there are more cars doesnt mean that the road is specifically for motor vehicles, thats what a 'motor'way is for, as roads arent called a bikeway or a carway, neither rules it. Instead of kicking up a strop why not accept it, as cyclists do the same for cars.

the blanked out word is another for testicles ;)

I think the original title of this thread was somewhat tongue in cheek. As I recall it all started with a "ban public transport in Sheffield" thread, followed by a "Ban cars in Sheffield" thread and then this one......

Police are appealing for witnesses to a collision involving two pedal cyclists on the A625 Hathersage Road, that has left one cyclist with serious head injuries.

The incident happened at around 2015 hrs on Friday 4 August 2006, on the A625, approximately 1 1/2 miles the city side of Fox House Pub.

Police officers on mobile patrol came across two cyclists on the grass verge. One of the cyclists a 40 year old man from Whirlow in Sheffield, sustained serious head injuries in the incident. He was taken to the Northern General Hospital where he was detained with his injuries. The second cyclist, a 37 year old man from the Greystones area sustained minor injuries.

It is believed that the two cyclists were travelling towards the city towards Fox House, when one rider appears to have collided with the rear of the bike in front. Both riders were subsequently thrown from their bikes on to the carriageway.

South Yorkshire Police.

oops

I think the original title of this thread was somewhat tongue in cheek. As I recall it all started with a "ban public transport in Sheffield" thread, followed by a "Ban cars in Sheffield" thread and then this one......

You recall correctly:thumbsup:


Police are appealing for witnesses to a collision involving two pedal cyclists on the A625 Hathersage Road, that has left one cyclist with serious head injuries.

The incident happened at around 2015 hrs on Friday 4 August 2006, on the A625, approximately 1 1/2 miles the city side of Fox House Pub.

Police officers on mobile patrol came across two cyclists on the grass verge. One of the cyclists a 40 year old man from Whirlow in Sheffield, sustained serious head injuries in the incident. He was taken to the Northern General Hospital where he was detained with his injuries. The second cyclist, a 37 year old man from the Greystones area sustained minor injuries.

It is believed that the two cyclists were travelling towards the city towards Fox House, when one rider appears to have collided with the rear of the bike in front. Both riders were subsequently thrown from their bikes on to the carriageway.

South Yorkshire Police.

oops

I know it's not really funny due to the injuries sustained, but:hihi::D.

offended at wot, the fact that YOU dont close gates along the penine trail or the fact your a cyclist.
.

You suggesting that I don't close gates behind me now?

No red lights are there for cars

Wrong.

Traffic signals apply to all users of the roads (even horses - IIRC).


getting onto the road from the footpath.

Riding a bicycle on the pavement is (technically) an offence (again, IIRC).

You suggesting that I don't close gates behind me now?

You presumed he was talking about you personally (when, in fact, his original reply - that you took offence to - was directed at ianbenjis (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=110021&page=21#311)).

Sounds like it's a case of "if the cap fits" to me:thumbsup:

Im sure statistics will bear out that more people are killed by idiot motorists (the ones with and without insurance,the ones with and without mot's and the ones who are drunk and the ones who think the speed limit doesn't apply to them)..not by cyclists.

Im sure statistics will bear out that more people are killed by idiot motorists (the ones with and without insurance,the ones with and without mot's and the ones who are drunk and the ones who think the speed limit doesn't apply to them)..not by cyclists.


And I'm sure "statistics" would "prove" that more cyclists are injured when "running" a red light, than cyclists who obeyed them.:thumbsup:.

I'm sure they do! and I'm sure most car drivers who jump red lights sustain injuries and cause more accidents than those who don't


And I'm sure more car drivers break the speed limit and knock kids and innocent pedestrains down tahn the odd cyclist does.

hey just cos u cant get your bum legs on a bike it doesnt mean fit healthy people shouldnt, try it u might like it!!! is cayenne a wanna be cyclist or a wanna be 911 driver?


Me?????

I was a cyclist for longer than I care to remember. I once got cautioned for speeding on a pushbike. :) :) :) Oh, and I've been put in hospital when my bike was run into by a hit and run motorist. :( :( :( So please don't assume I am anto-bike. As for being (or wanting to be) a 911 driver? No ta. :D Fast sports cars are usually driven by arrogant plonkers, I have found. They can be found in saloon bars bellowing at their mates on the merits of some high-powered, uncomfortable, impractical heap of junk most Sunday lunchtimes. Try doing the weekly shop and sticking it in a Carrera! So it does 0-60 in x seconds. :suspect: :gag: Yeah, right. Useful that, on Arundel Gate at 5pm.

Did a quick survey of cyclist's behaviour at traffic lights. 2 out of 3 went through reds, dodging through the traffic to get to the front of the queue then wobbling about so they didn't put their feet to the ground. Is this some sort of a variation on keepy-uppy, on bikes? First one to put their foot on the ground is a wuss?

no need to be rude about sports car owners as well, or at least use another thread so that we can defend ourselves.

I'm sure they do! and I'm sure most car drivers who jump red lights sustain injuries and cause more accidents than those who don't


And I'm sure more car drivers break the speed limit and knock kids and innocent pedestrains down tahn the odd cyclist does.


It's only the cyclists that have said they jump red lights though. Nothing to do with car drivers:).

No ta. :D Fast sports cars are usually driven by arrogant plonkers, I have found.


:hihi: glad u said it.
Though i must say i like porsche's.

Edit: btw Cayenne, ur still wrong about cyclists.

:hihi: glad u said it.
Though i must say i like porsche's.

Edit: btw Cayenne, ur still wrong about cyclists.

marmite, I have no axe to grind with cyclists per se. Just making the point that some do things I wouldn't have attempted even when I was a devil-may-care teenager. I don't want to see someone splattered all over the road right in front of me, that's all.

When i see cyclist its not often i see one that sticks to the road or stop at red lights. Its hard to find one wearing the proper cycling gear sometimes. I mean they cant have it both ways. Your on the road which means you abide by the highway code. If you switch between road and pavement then to be hounest your cyclist that is asking to be hit. My mum hit cyclist as she was pulling into her drive. Scared her to death the only reason she hit him was coz he had switched from road to pavement. Trying to skip the traffic which was at a stand still. Luckily he wasnt badly hurt and just had a few minor injurys. All because he thought he could skip past everyone on the road.

just pointing out to you that if the traffic was at a standstill it would probably have seen the bike or know of its presence and should have allowed it to pass alongside on the left. we need more cycle lanes and stop people parking in them especially at the bottom of steephills. drivers who dont like cyclists dont try to put them off or restrict them. cycling is good for your health and the environment.
i think im gonna get a car soon lol, ill be fair though and stop jumping red lights.

Little Tim probably wouldn't live long enough to get nicked, another cycling topic that has not been addressed we tell our children to be careful when out and learn the green cross code or whatever it's called now but we then buy little Tim a bicycle and let him out on the road. Its madness !!

I was riding on the roads near my house when i was 5 (though my name is not Tim) and I lived to tell the tale.

Kids should be encouraged to get out and about more (within reason).

Has anyone noticed how many (not all) cyclists on the Moor zoom down, weave in and out of people with little regard for anyones safety.

Why are people alowed to ride on the Moor? I saw two near misses yesterday. Person comming out of sainsburys nearly got hit as someone came round the corner at speed, and someone comming out of BHS simply stepped out to look in her bag and the bike swerved round her. Have to admit, I didn't even see the bike comming.

Just think of the damage done if those fools hit anyone let alone a kid or older person.

Why are people alowed to ride on the Moor?


They aren't; but, as always, making something illegal and not enforcing it is a completely pointless exercise.

Cyclists think they are above the law, just look how they go off at traffic lights...

Anyone noticed how the pedestrians in the city centre seem to have little regard for cycle paths?

I reckon if people respected that cycle paths are for cyclists, there would be less cause for cyclists to abandon them in favour of other routes. I am fed up of endangering myself because stupid people only use their ears to cross roads or seem to think standing in a cycle path for a conversation with their mates is acceptable. Horses for courses, folks.

Agreed that cycling on the Moor is stupid. BUT I groan inwardly at YET ANOTHER anti cyclist rant. And I don't even cycle!
I just don't understand why people get so het up about cyclists all the time. YES, it's bit annoying if you can't get past one when you're driving or one whizzes past you on the pavement but it's pretty inconsequential stuff compared to the offences committed by motorists. There isn't anywhere near as much ranting about joyriding, drink driving etc etc is there?

I have nothing against cycling and wish everyone would walk or cycle to work, but the other day I was unfortunate enought to have to catch a bus home, along ecclesall road. Usually walk to work, but the missus is 5 months pregnant and finding it hard to get around.

There was, as usual, a huge long line of traffic all along the road, however, the bus lane was nearly free. I say nearly as there was about 3 or 4 cyclists riding in front of the bus. Unfortunately, due to the size of the bus lane, the bus could not pass the cyclists and so we were forced to drive along the bus lane at a snails pace. Might as well have walked to be honest.

Bad planning, as usual. All very good having a lane for buses and cyclists, but it doesn't work. Also felt sorry for the cyclists as the bus was clearly inches behind the riders and it must have been a little unnerving for them.

we should start kicking them off their bikes. a few years back one of my mates was hit by someone riding on a bike. he was really bady injured. he was on crutches for about 3 weeks and had to get all this metal into his leg, it looked disgusting, this is when i realised how much damage a bike can do.

Yeah, and I hit someone the other day who was dumb enough to cross a one-way road between stationary buses whilst looking the wrong way?! Had I not been cycling uphill I'm sure we would have both been injured. As I previously stated, if people used their eyes and not just their ears to cross roads then accidents between pedestrians and cyclists would be kept to a minimum. Just because you can't hear anything doesn't mean that the road is clear.

I am sure this rule will ensure all accidents involving bicycles are a thing of the past:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3667513.stm

Something does need to be done though. Especially with the number of OAPs and kid on there....On 2nd thoughts it could be a good thing!

Twice in the last week I've had to slam on the anchors because a kids decided to walk across a road backwards. Presumably because he thought it was safe as he couldn't hear an engine!

2 weeks ago, near miss as a car went to overtake and didn't see the crossing island and bollards in the middle of the road till she was almost on them. I can still smell the rubber!

Presumably because he thought it was safe as he couldn't hear an engine!

my point exactly!

I didn't know about the bike bell law. I intend on getting an air horn.:hihi:

think it,s bad go and live in amsterdam

I saw some idiot cyclist weaving in and out of the people walking along Fargate on Tuesday.

Everytime I go out on my bike at least 30 idiots in cars drive far too close to me and a good few idiots step into the road forcing me out further into the road which means I am even more likely to get ran over by one of the idiots in the cars. People need educating!

my point exactly!

I didn't know about the bike bell law. I intend on getting an air horn.:hihi:

I have the discreet little black bells on both my bikes. Think an air horn may be better. My 'incidents' were both on the same day within a couple of hundred yards of each other. The areas preceded by a long steep climb, so I was in no state to shout. In both the occasions above I used it repeatedly, with no reaction.

Don't you know the meaning of mountain bikes? They are only for mountin' the kerbs, nothing to do with the Pennines, etc.

I usually walk, occasionally cycle and occasionally drive, so I think I have a pretty fair view from all sides.

I think cyclists have the toughest time, because they are under pressure from both sides, and it's quite scary cycling on the road. However, I HATE seeing cyclists on the pavement. If you don't feel safe on the road, don't cycle! There are exceptions to this, like underpasses at roundabouts, but otherwise if you really have to go on the pavement, get off and push. There is no excuse for cycling on The Moor. But equally, there is no excuse for walking in cycle lanes! If you have to walk across one, treat it like a road - look both ways.

Pedestrians need to be a bit more sympathetic though, and actually listen and look before they cross the road. Of course cyclists go whizzing by - they are generally trying to keep up with the traffic. I think bells on bikes are essential though.

I don't see how cyclists "think they are above the law"; they are probably the most aware of their surroundings of all road users.

I cycle to work most days and the thing that gets my goat more than anything is other bloody cyclists!! I've lost count the number of times i've sat patiently at red traffic lights like everyone else, only for another cyclist to whizz past me to go straight through them.
As for cycling down the Moor, Why?? Its quicker and safer to go round the back of Debenhams, or down the back of BHS (is it Union Street?).
The problem with cycling is anyone can ride one anytime anywhere without passing a test or learning the highway code.

It really annoys me when pedestrians use there ears and not eyes to cross a road. Worst area i find is Leopold Street between Virgin Megastore & the Gap. I did take out a old couple once, i had no choice but to crash stright into them at 20mph, they where completely oblivious to anything that was coming down Leopold Street. Thankfully if it wasnt for theses 2 woman acting as witnesses for me, i think i would have been lynched as of course im the evil cyclist and it must have been all my fault dispite most of the people that had now gathered round didnt see the accident in the first place. Anyway at least no damage was caused to my bike which was the most important thing.

Hmm. Another anti-cyclist thread.

Can I just point out that three cyclists have been killed by drivers in South Yorkshire in the last week, I've not heard of any pedestrians being killed by cyclists.

Good point. And as someone pointed out on another thread, the more people who cycle the more aware drivers will be and the more of a case there will be for improved and more extensive cycle lanes.

Anyone noticed how the pedestrians in the city centre seem to have little regard for cycle paths?

I reckon if people respected that cycle paths are for cyclists, there would be less cause for cyclists to abandon them in favour of other routes.......people seem to think standing in a cycle path for a conversation with their mates is acceptable. Horses for courses, folks.

I'm not particularly against cyclists - but the above is a load of twaddle.

Why would you choose to ride through an area which has far more pedestrians because of a handful of people blocking your cycle lane?

If I'm on my bike and pedestrians are blocking the cycle path, I cycle past just close enough for one of my pedals to give them a nasty bruise on the ankle.
Couple this with a brief profanity as you head off into the distance and this normally teaches them a lesson.......

Cyclists think they are above the law, just look how they go off at traffic lights...

we ARE, accept it! :D

we should start kicking them off their bikes

Steady on! :o There's a lot of responsible cyclists out there too.


Agreed that cycling on the Moor is stupid. BUT I groan inwardly at YET ANOTHER anti cyclist rant. And I don't even cycle!
I just don't understand why people get so het up about cyclists all the time. YES, it's bit annoying if you can't get past one when you're driving or one whizzes past you on the pavement but it's pretty inconsequential stuff compared to the offences committed by motorists. There isn't anywhere near as much ranting about joyriding, drink driving etc etc is there?

Well said bananapie :) Bottom line is that cycling should be safer and more accessible in an effort to reduce global warming, congestion, & obesity. I don't lose my rag when pedestrians tut at me as I try to pass them when they're walking on the bike path, or feel the need to retaliate when "BUSES ONLY!" is shouted at me as I cycle down a road clearly marked for buses, taxis AND cycles. Please remember that a bike probably represents one less car on the road.

I just want to say that I'm going to give into all this anti-cyclist hatred... going to bin my bike and drive everywhere as will my husband and three mates who all cycle to work. If your journey to work is five car lengths longer as of tomorrow, please wave to the car in front and behind and be thankful that you have five less blasted cyclists to deal with!!!

come on people enough of the cyclist bashing... we're not all reckless with our and other road / pavement users lives, like every other section of society there are a few numbskulls who spoil it for everyone. I walk, cycle, take public transport and drive a car, which ever is most appropriate for the journey and there is always one person who breaks one rule / law. But I continue to travel and live my life obeying the law and being curtious to others. I hold doors open for others whilst shopping dispite often getting little thanks, however I do this for my peace of mind and not everyone elses. If there is a definiate law being broken or lives are being put at risk by someelses actions take details and then call the POLICE!!! Otherwise please just accept the fact that there are always going to be some people who don't always follow the letter of the law and there is not an awful lot you can do about it, LEGALLY.

sorry for rant but I'm getting sick of coming on to this site to catch up on whats going on and seeing another post about cyclists as if the World as we know it will cease to exist if nothing is done about it. If this is your only gripe in your life consider yourselves exceptionally lucky and get on with your day.

think it,s bad go and live in amsterdam

holland is a perfect example of how it should be. cycle lanes with independant trafic lights and kerbs on both sides seperating them from the traffic and pedestrians.

if you had a tough time in amsterdam it was probably because you had no idea of your responsibilities as a pedestrian or you were just too damn stoned or tripping on mushies to have a clue what danger you were putting yourself into.
when i was there i saw cyclists more relaxed than anywhere in this country. they cruise around with no-one ever racing.
the dutch are the safeist cyclists in the world imo.

holland is a perfect example of how it should be. cycle lanes with independant trafic lights and kerbs on both sides seperating them from the traffic and pedestrians.

As a cyclist myself, could you tell me how these traffic lights work? Are they like over here, where whatever colour they are, you can still go? ;)

Yeah, and I hit someone the other day who was dumb enough to cross a one-way road between stationary buses whilst looking the wrong way?! Had I not been cycling uphill I'm sure we would have both been injured. As I previously stated, if people used their eyes and not just their ears to cross roads then accidents between pedestrians and cyclists would be kept to a minimum. Just because you can't hear anything doesn't mean that the road is clear.

And loads of pedestrains walking/dawdling in the cycle lane have ipods on so can't hear anything anyway,like polite requests to move over. This however is not nearly as daft as cyclists wearing ipods.....:loopy:

sorry for rant but I'm getting sick of coming on to this site to catch up on whats going on and seeing another post about cyclists as if the World as we know it will cease to exist if nothing is done about it. If this is your only gripe in your life consider yourselves exceptionally lucky and get on with your day.
Absolutely! I'm so sick of these multiple anti-cyclist threads and just don't understand why so many people are so angry with cyclists! These people really need to get this so called "problem" into perspective. I've seen the odd silly sod riding a bike dangerously but a) they are almost invariably putting themselves in far more danger than anyone else and b) I've seen far, far more examples of driving everyday than dangerous cycling. Just one example that springs to mind is cars not stopping for a red light at a pedestrian crossing. I've seen this happen at least half a dozen times and in one of which an old lady come close to getting knocked down! But there are no multiple threads about drivers not stopping for pedestrian crossings are there?

Agreed that cycling on the Moor is stupid. BUT I groan inwardly at YET ANOTHER anti cyclist rant. And I don't even cycle!
I just don't understand why people get so het up about cyclists all the time. YES, it's bit annoying if you can't get past one when you're driving or one whizzes past you on the pavement but it's pretty inconsequential stuff compared to the offences committed by motorists. There isn't anywhere near as much ranting about joyriding, drink driving etc etc is there?


This isn't an anti cycling rant. I simply have an issue with people on bikes, riding fast in area that is designed for feet not wheels moving fast. The Moor in particular is a mecca for the 'older generation' and if a bike hit them, they would end up in a serious condition, ie brocken hip etc.

I used to cycle competively for 12 years, so love riding. Yes, people have no respect for cyclists and their lanes, or when they are on the road and people cut them up, walk in front of them in roads etc. But cyclists also need to respect areas that are not designed for bikes, but for walking.

I've nothing against cyclists, just as I've nothing against drivers. But I have noticed a rise in poor cycling, mainly its people who encounter a red light and swing onto the pavement to 'undertake' the lights, illegal of course - could you imagine a car doing that.

But the worse spot has to be the underpass at the roundabout for ecclesall road if you need the left hand side. There is a cyclists track on the right hand side of the underpass so if they are coming down into the underpass they need to cross over the pedestrian section to head into town.

There are clear markings at that point for the cyclists to giveway even if common sense escapes them. Yet at least every week not only don't they bother to slow down or stop, many cut the blind corner at a sharp angle. These are people of all ages, some even wearing saftely gear, with a couple of near misses.

I suppose its just a reflection of society.

I am sure this rule will ensure all accidents involving bicycles are a thing of the past:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3667513.stm

Of course it won't. It only makes it illegal to sell a new bike without a bell. The owner of the new bike can remove the bell and not be breaking the law by not having one. There is still no legal requiremant for cyclists to have a means of warning pedestrians of their presence, and typically it was Thatcher's govt who removed this requirement which had been law for many years

If our politicians admit there is a need for cyclists to have and use a bell, why didn't they incorporate this in their 'Pedal Bicycle Safety Regulations Act' :loopy:

It really annoys me when pedestrians use there ears and not eyes to cross a road.

Have you got a bell or horn on your bike ?

Have you got a bell or horn on your bike ?

I only get the horn on my bike when riding up ecclesall road in summer! :D

Put it this way........if you have ever been to Amsterdam - you will never complain about cyclists here again, or trams or buses for that matter!!!!!

Have you got a bell or horn on your bike ?
if they are stupid enough to step out into the road with out looking then it's natural selction.

if they are stupid enough to step out into the road with out looking then it's natural selction.

Well a cyclist who collides with a stupid pedestrian at speed is just as likely to be injured as the stupid pedestrian so investing in a bell which might help avoid that situation seems common sense to me ;)

But the OP was concerned about cyclists riding recklessly on the Moor...which I understood was a pedestrian precinct ??

Has anyone noticed how many (not all) cyclists on the Moor zoom down, weave in and out of people with little regard for anyones safety.

Why are people alowed to ride on the Moor? I saw two near misses yesterday. Person comming out of sainsburys nearly got hit as someone came round the corner at speed, and someone comming out of BHS simply stepped out to look in her bag and the bike swerved round her. Have to admit, I didn't even see the bike comming.

Just think of the damage done if those fools hit anyone let alone a kid or older person.

‘Nearly’ got hit means that either the cyclist missed the people or the people missed the cyclists. It’s a non-story really.

Well a cyclist who collides with a stupid pedestrian at speed is just as likely to be injured as the stupid pedestrian so investing in a bell which might help avoid that situation seems common sense to me ;)

But the OP was concerned about cyclists riding recklessly on the Moor...which I understood was a pedestrian precinct ??
yeah cycling on the moor during the day is just plain stupid, as i'm riding a jump bake at the moment i don't really have any worrys about hitting thinks people i just bounce off

‘Nearly’ got hit means that either the cyclist missed the people or the people missed the cyclists. It’s a non-story really.

yeh you are right. Lets wait for something to happen, and then we can discuss, then, how, they shouldn't be riding on the moor. good idea.

the underpass at the bottom of the moor, that runs under St Mary's Gate has clear and prominent signs which tell cyclists to dismount.

there is a special paving area down the middle of the steps, with a guide- groove, for cyclists to put their bike-wheels in, as they walk down the steps.

How many of them actually use it? not many!!!

They prefer to send the pedestrians scattering like rabbits as they speed down the wheelchair/pushchair ramp of the underpass.

GRRR!!

Absolutely! I'm so sick of these multiple anti-cyclist threads and just don't understand why so many people are so angry with cyclists!

It's because they've just done the teachers and it's not yet time to have a go at bus drivers.

ban cyclists... hmmm let me think now.. how many people have been killed by drunk cyclists and how many people have been killed by motorists drunk or otherwise ..

‘Nearly’ got hit means that either the cyclist missed the people or the people missed the cyclists. It’s a non-story really.

Just like Mexborough this week. Kid gets killed on the road.

Suppose it was a non-story that they'd been campaigning for traffic calming measures for years.

Like with most H&S issues now, its just as important to report near misses as it is to report actual incidents.

After reading this thread i have come to the decision that alot of people need to find something new to moan about

It would seem that the anti-cyclist thing is driven by jealousy. People who take offence that cycling is the quickest method of getting round the city centre, that cyclists can evade the rush hour queues.. and yes, I have had motorists tuck themselves in to the kerb in an attempt to stop me from passing standstill traffic. It's pathetic. If people don't want to sit in traffic, then instead of bleating about cyclists getting home quicker, why not ditch the SUV in favour of a bike themselves. Not only will you get to work quicker, you will trade in your sparrow legs and lose the podge, and your heart will thank you for it - provided you don't fall victim to some ignorant car driver :)

It would seem that the anti-cyclist thing is driven by jealousy. People who take offence that cycling is the quickest method of getting round the city centre, that cyclists can evade the rush hour queues.. and yes, I have had motorists tuck themselves in to the kerb in an attempt to stop me from passing standstill traffic. It's pathetic. If people don't want to sit in traffic, then instead of bleating about cyclists getting home quicker, why not ditch the SUV in favour of a bike themselves. Not only will you get to work quicker, you will trade in your sparrow legs and lose the podge, and your heart will thank you for it - provided you don't fall victim to some ignorant car driver :)

Couldn't have put it better my self...get on your bike..loose the weight..and help globel warming as well as yourself's..

jt

As a cyclist, I'd just like to point out to the many drivers who don't appear to realise (probably glanced at the highway code 20 years ago and never again since) that the recommended position for riding a bike on the roads is at least 1 metre from the curb and, where practicle in the centre of the lane if you wish. This cuts down the considerable risk posed by broken bottles, drains, stones, litter in the gutter etc. and gives the cyclist enough time to safely move out to pass parked cars.

Sorry car drivers if that upsets you - if that doesn't give you enough room to pass, then tough doodoo - you can't pass : learn to live with it. This doesn't mean that you're entitled to pass the cyclist with a matter of millimetres to spare.

(Oh, and on the red-light issue - whilst I always stop at red lights, very very occasionally a cyclist has to take some sort of action - for example walking their bike across a junction - if the set of lights has underground sensors, as a bike on it's own is not sufficient to trigger a change, leaving the cyclist potentially standing there for hours).

yeh every day i see motorists breaking the speed limit so i guess we should ban cars too.
Tell us how you can prove that or is it a guess?:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Bladesman] If you switch between road and pavement then to be hounest your cyclist that is asking to be hit. QUOTE]

Asking to be hit??? :-O

The roads in this country are totally biast towards motorists. The attitudes expressed by motorists on this thread back that up entirely. There is zero tollerance for cyclists. Cars conbtribute a massive amount to global warming, I constantly see people in cars using their mobiles, pulling out without looking and dangerous driving; i've been hit by a reckless driver myself. He didnt even have the guts to own up to what he did when he could have killed me....
Wheres the thread about what a scurge on the planet motorists are....

and eres me thinking about getting a new mountain bike to save a bit of cash on the shocking bus fares

Lol...good for you mate... ;-)

well i live in gleadless and work at queens road so for the sake of 15 mins of peddaling i might aswell lol

Wheres the thread about what a scurge on the planet motorists are....

Try these . . . ;-)

Ban Cars In Sheffield (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=110627)

Let's ban all motor vehicles in Sheffield (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=110063)

Why can't people drive properly? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142211)

Arrogant Drivers (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=129821)

Driving Standards In South Yorkshire (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=129766)

Ignorant Motorists:- What makes you mad? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=22473)

Pollution Tax for Vehicles (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=55036)

The Anti 4x4 Thread (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=59009)

i've been hit by a reckless driver myself.

And I've been hit on three seperate occasions (whilst crossing roads on pelican crossing, when the green man was showing) by cyclists who think red lights don't apply to them.

On only one of those occasions was I able to regain my balance and kick him off his bike:thumbsup:.

And I've been hit on three seperate occasions (whilst crossing roads on pelican crossing, when the green man was showing) by cyclists who think red lights don't apply to them.

On only one of those occasions was I able to regain my balance and kick him off his bike:thumbsup:.

You're unlucky aren't you? I have never met any one who has been hit by a cyclist on a crossing. In fact I only know one person who has been hit by a cyclist at all. To have been hit three times is terrible.

The taxi driver that knocked me off my bike outsie the train station merely picked me up and plonked me at the side of the road and dissappeared. He hit me side on crushing the rear part of the frame on to the wheel thus totalling my bike and I ended up with permanent knee damage. He even got his firm - DB if anyone is interested, to cover for him, denying that they even had any cabs in that area at that time. Aparently, I was going too fast arount the roundabout!!

I had a near miss as a pedestrian, crossing a zebra crossing by some divvy cow in her SUV who was too busy yapping on her mobile to realise she had driven across a crossing let alone notice there was someone on it!!

I have had alot of scrapes and near misses both on and off the wheels and all involving cars or vans, and at no time have I been at fault.

absolute rubbish, i cycle a lot and drive and some drivers just dont care and to me it seems the ones who dont exercise are the sorst, i think they are on a guilt trip.

And I've been hit on three seperate occasions (whilst crossing roads on pelican crossing.....


Oopsy, thats quite incredible....um, are you a cooler? Sorry, but what bad luck. I'm quite surprised you had to kick the cyclist off his bike though because usually cyclists come off anyway during a collision....

Oopsy, thats quite incredible....um, are you a cooler? Sorry, but what bad luck. I'm quite surprised you had to kick the cyclist off his bike though because usually cyclists come off anyway during a collision....

I wouldn't mind so much, however, all three occasions were on the same crossing in Hillsborough (before the tram):).

Oh mate, i feel for you... at least you have a sense of humour... btw, do you have a little rain cloud following you about? sorry....

And I've been hit on three seperate occasions (whilst crossing roads on pelican crossing, when the green man was showing) by cyclists who think red lights don't apply to them.

On only one of those occasions was I able to regain my balance and kick him off his bike:thumbsup:.


Wow 3 times you have been hit by a cyclist and all at the same crossing :suspect: what a unluckly person you must be, oh well at least you have gone over 10 years now without been hit.

Hit by cyclist ignoring the red light of the pedestrian crossing at the start of Ecclesall Road. I was sent spinning with 2 bags of shopping and the prat on the road bike didn't even slow down.

(I'm a regular cyclist and reckon the highway code applies to all of us, motorists, cyclists and pedestrians)

just read the whole of this,
I have been cut up and hit by bus/car drivers more times than I care to remember, the driving in sheff is generally terrible with regards attention to cyclists. However I used to cycle on lots of the pavements and feel no shame about doing so beacuse when on a bike you can stop in a matter of feet (not 30 meters) and change course quicker than a car, you can see where people are going to and when they start to change direction adjust you course/speed accordingly, you can see an older person or drunk or an idiot approching so give them a wide berth as not to frighten them also same for children,etc etc NEVER knocked any one over,
who ever said you should overtake cars on the right ,thats just insane. can you imagine going down ecyy rd in the MIDDLE ,nonsense.
as for red lights, very sensible to stop at them, sometimes incredibly pointless however.
if turing left and a red was showing I would hop on the path (pedistrians permitting) then join the road round the corner, yes I realise that the light is there forevery one to obey however it is there BEACUSE of motorcars. I would only ever jump a junction If I KNEW it was safe to do so(but still not very often beacuse of the inherant risk.)
as regards duty payable on cycles ?utterly laughable the roads are not designed with cycles in mind (in sheff' tho I dont think there being designed with cars in mind anymore either) the duty payable by cars should be looked upon as a punishment for damaging, well just about everything that a car comes into contact with. there should be a tax write off for % of every cycle sold.
the end point is drivers will never hold any kind of morall high ground over cyclists regardless until cars are 100% safe for humans.

I must admit I see this all the time especially around the Broomhill / Clarkehouse Road areas. They go through lights on red on the basis that they're so far into the kerb that they dont affect the turning traffic.

Not only is it illegal but its an accident waiting to happen.

Another one I'm seeing more and more city wide is cyclists without lights after dark. Often they have dark clothing and are near impossible to see.

My question, why aren't we ever seeing prosecutions for this in the Star? It seems the police just don't bother.

Another one I'm seeing more and more city wide is cyclists without lights after dark. Often they have dark clothing and are near impossible to see.

My question, why aren't we ever seeing prosecutions for this in the Star? It seems the police just don't bother.

I'm surprised this isn't more of a 'bugbear' to the irate drivers.

Light technologys got a lot better over the last few years. A set of "Cateyes" aren't expensive, fit in your pocket and can be attached/detached in seconds

ive been hit a few times by motorists , or iv had to take action so i dont end up under there wheels , i think they take offence that they have paid all this money for there cars and theres some lad on a bike going faster than them and getting home quicker..i think iv gone through about 3 bikes because of bloody idiots in cars and most of the time they look the other way and drive of , they must think its funny when they pin you inbetween a parked car , open doors when your coming or pull out in front of you ...

i saw a women being hit by a cyclist but i think she was ****** as she stood at the side of the road waited till a car passed then stepped out in front of the cyclist / stupid bloody woman

ive been hit a few times by motorists , or iv had to take action so i dont end up under there wheels , i think they take offence that they have paid all this money for there cars and theres some lad on a bike going faster than them and getting home quicker..i think iv gone through about 3 bikes because of bloody idiots in cars and most of the time they look the other way and drive of , they must think its funny when they pin you inbetween a parked car , open doors when your coming or pull out in front of you ...

You're supposed to leave room in case someone opens their car door by the way.
They may take offence cos of the jumping of red lights, and my own pet hate...when I'm at a junction indicating left and a cyclist pulls right down to your car. Being a "decent" driver, I let them go first, but so often just fancy setting straight off.

My question, why aren't we ever seeing prosecutions for this in the Star? It seems the police just don't bother.
Hopefully the police are off doing better things with their money like arresting muggeres, rapists and murderers!

i know your soposed to leave a bit of room inbetween the parked car but its hard to do some times when your been jambed up by some1 in a car/van

i know your soposed to leave a bit of room inbetween the parked car but its hard to do some times when your been jambed up by some1 in a car/van


Now you're just making excuses :hihi:

Couldn't be bothered to read all the posts, so sorry if this has been mentioned before:-
Cyclists riding 3 or 4 abreast. I used to work in the Hope Valley area. The number of times I've been held up by cycle clubs! Grrrrrrrrr.
Then, when you give 'em a tiny blast of the horn, they give you the finger.

Now you're just making excuses :hihi:

Couldn't be bothered to read all the posts, so sorry if this has been mentioned before:-
Cyclists riding 3 or 4 abreast. I used to work in the Hope Valley area. The number of times I've been held up by cycle clubs! Grrrrrrrrr.
Then, when you give 'em a tiny blast of the horn, they give you the finger.

Perhaps they didn't feel safe with you skimming past 10mm from their elbows, so occupied the lane properly, as is their right, forcing you to wait for a gap in oncoming traffic to overtake, like you should anyway.

I drive every day for my work their are bad car/van/lorry drivers out there, but at least they don't blatantly ignore the law like cyclists do.

Anyone who sees me either run a red light or mount a kerb then drive on the pavement cos I can't be bothered to wait for the lights to change, then drop back onto the road as and when it suits to get somewhere more quickly please feel free to shout obscenities at my little van.

Hopefully the police are off doing better things with their money like arresting muggeres, rapists and murderers!

You'd be lucky.

More like raising stealth taxes through speed controls and arresting householders who defend their property aginst burglars / deliquent teenagers.

Its amazing how these days the only ones who get away with anything are the criminals. I'm not saying the police don't have a diffcult job to do, their hands are tied so its not their fault, its the politicians fault for passing laws that support true criminality whilst turning otherwise innocent citizens into criminals.

Anyway straying off topic so I'll stop there.

I drive every day for my work their are bad car/van/lorry drivers out there, but at least they don't blatantly ignore the law like cyclists do.

Anyone who sees me either run a red light or mount a kerb then drive on the pavement cos I can't be bothered to wait for the lights to change, then drop back onto the road as and when it suits to get somewhere more quickly please feel free to shout obscenities at my little van.

I'm sorry, but most drivers are disregarding the law most of the time. As an example, because I try to stick to the speed limit I frequently get drivers tailgating as they seem to think this will force me to go faster, then, more often than not they accelerate away as soon as they get a chance. This indicates to me that most drivers are blatantly breaking the speed limit for a start off.

This is just one example, there are more, but I really can't be bothered.

Oh mate, i feel for you

Don't worry about it. I don't:D:thumbsup:


at least you have a sense of humour

Living on this planet, you either laugh or go insane. I chose the former route:).


btw, do you have a little rain cloud following you about?

Naaaah. The missus does though:hihi:

I'm sorry, but most drivers are disregarding the law most of the time. As an example, because I try to stick to the speed limit I frequently get drivers tailgating as they seem to think this will force me to go faster, then, more often than not they accelerate away as soon as they get a chance. This indicates to me that most drivers are blatantly breaking the speed limit for a start off.

This is just one example, there are more, but I really can't be bothered.

You don't have to be sorry that you fold under pressure. How exactly does one "try" to stick to a speed limit. Either you do or you don't. Consider yourself weak.

You don't have to be sorry that you fold under pressure. How exactly does one "try" to stick to a speed limit. Either you do or you don't. Consider yourself weak.

I say "try" because most of the time I am watching the road , when I glance down at the speedo and might notice that I am going a couple of miles an hour over the limit and adjust my speed accordingly. How does this make me weak?

This doesn't alter the fact that most drivers are blatantly breaking the law most of the time.

Funny how people get a little touchy when it's pointed out that they've just posted a load of crap, isn't it neddio?

It's amazing how many people seem to think that the speed limit in the parkway (between asda and the motorway) is 60.
I wonder if they all go home shaking their heads that I want to get past them and do 70?

Anyway, I didn't mean to start a debate about speed limits, I was just demonstrating the fact that neddio was wrong in his assertion that most motorists are not blatantly breaking the law. I guess there's a whole other thread somewhere else about speedlimits.

When I lived in Hull about fifty-five years ago it was so flat that everyone used to cycle to work, and of course not many people had cars either so there wasn't a problem, but when I went back on a visit several years later and more people had cars, it was quite amusing to see the cyclists still there covering the whole width of the carriageway with the cars following slowly behind like a procession.

It has all changed now and everyone rides round in cars with the usual traffic snarl ups averaging about twelve miles per hour the same as the cyclists used to, but the cars are considerably more expensive, they emit pollution, the drivers are considerably fatter and much less fit.

Is this progress I ask myself?

Perhaps they didn't feel safe with you skimming past 10mm from their elbows, so occupied the lane properly, as is their right, forcing you to wait for a gap in oncoming traffic to overtake, like you should anyway.

Where did I say I was 10mm from their elbows?
I said they were riding 4 abreast on a country lane. If you read the extract from the highway code below, you will see that it is no more than two abreast and single file on narrow lanes (which out towards Edale they are!)
But you say they occupied the lane properly!
Are you trolling or just stupid?
Do you know what the highway code actually is?
And where in the highway code does it say you can ride 4 abreast . It actually says..and I quote


51: You should

keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
keep both feet on the pedals
not ride more than two abreast
ride in single file on narrow or busy roads
not ride close behind another vehicle
not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example by ringing your bell.

Where did I say I was 10mm from their elbows?
I said they were riding 4 abreast on a country lane. If you read the extract from the highway code below, you will see that it is no more than two abreast and single file on narrow lanes (which out towards Edale they are!)
But you say they occupied the lane properly!
Are you trolling or just stupid?
Do you know what the highway code actually is?
And where in the highway code does it say you can ride 4 abreast . It actually says..and I quote


51: You should

keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
keep both feet on the pedals
not ride more than two abreast
ride in single file on narrow or busy roads
not ride close behind another vehicle
not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example by ringing your bell.
you SHOULD go and reread this entire thread as this has already been disected, note the lack of a MUST in mine and the highway codes sentences.

even if it says should not ride more than 4 abreast rather than must;

It was in response to a previous post which said it was the cyclists RIGHT to cycle in this manner.

Whether illegal or not, its bad road etiquette and, like running reds, an action that gives cyclists a bad name.

you SHOULD go and reread this entire thread as this has already been disected, note the lack of a MUST in mine and the highway codes sentences.


Can't find anywhere that it says I can't ride 10 mm away from a cyclist and blow my horn, so maybe I will now as Chris already makes the brash , rather illinformed and stupid assumption that I already do.

I actually do give LOTS of room to cyclists. I have gone thro periods when I cycled 90 miles a week, which is probably not a lot compared to the regular cyclists on here, but gives me an insight as to the d *ckhead drivers on the road. At no time would I have ridden 4 abreast on any road, never mind country lanes. Are you saying that to do this is correct?

Can't find anywhere that it says I can't ride 10 mm away from a cyclist and blow my horn, so maybe I will now as Chris already makes the brash , rather illinformed and stupid assumption that I already do.

OK, you don't, I'm very glad to hear it. But many drivers do pass too close, and riding well out into the lane is one way to prevent this.

I'm sure cycling clubs can be annoying if they're always in the area, but my point really was that if you have to cross the centre line to pass safely then you have to wait for a gap in traffic ahead do you not? In which case why would it matter how many cyclists are in the lane? Just possibly it would be safer for you to pass one group of cyclists in one manouvre than it would be to pull over to the left halfway through overtaking several cyclists who rode strung out in a line? (I've been nearly knocked off myself by someone doing this).

I'm not saying cyclists should always ride like this, or that if cycle clubs regularly do this they are in the right; just that there may be situations where they feel much safer doing this, and that they have every right to occupy the lane.

How about this for an idea.

On the grounds that cars kill hundred of people every year, and on the grounds they cause no end of pollution and use up the earths resources, and on the grounds the furthest people walk is from the front door to the car door, with the longest walk being round the supermarket causing overweight and unfit people, why not ban cars from all flat roads leaving those free for the cyclist to use in safety.

Result, a healthy population, no road fatalities except those caused by car drivers killing each other, less pollution, a beneficial reduction in global warming, and a saving in gas bills because we can turn the centeral heating down due to our own improved circulation giving us all the warmth we need.

OK, you don't, I'm very glad to hear it. But many drivers do pass too close, and riding well out into the lane is one way to prevent this.

I'm sure cycling clubs can be annoying if they're always in the area, but my point really was that if you have to cross the centre line to pass safely then you have to wait for a gap in traffic ahead do you not? In which case why would it matter how many cyclists are in the lane? Just possibly it would be safer for you to pass one group of cyclists in one manoeuvre than it would be to pull over to the left halfway through overtaking several cyclists who rode strung out in a line? (I've been nearly knocked off myself by someone doing this).

I'm not saying cyclists should always ride like this, or that if cycle clubs regularly do this they are in the right; just that there may be situations where they feel much safer doing this, and that they have every right to occupy the lane.
The other day, driving from Crookes going round Brook Hill roundabout.

I'm on the inside lane, a cyclist overtakes me on the outside, then pulls over to the nearside in front of me, and I want to turn first left into St. Georges Close.

Possible result VERY NASTY.

Why do people hate cyclists, they`ve as much right as anybody else to be on the road, and I`m not a cyclist at that!

Just to make a point about cyclists going through red lights. It turns out it must be a completely legal thing to do!
Yesterday, going down Chesterfield road towards the town centre, I was following a copper on a bike.
Lights went to red next to the HSS hire shop, he slowed down, then went through them, and a car turning right nearly knocked him over.
Sorry it's not cyclists, it's just the law doesn't apply to the police does it???

cylists i hate them ban them full stop. Except for the hot female ones lol.

cylists i hate them ban them full stop. Except for the hot female ones lol.

I hate football...ban all football,off the streets,off the telly..except the fit females of course.!!

jt

yea well maybe us cyclists hate you car drivers.

Seriously this is the most ridiculous thread I have ever seen.

yea well maybe us cyclists hate you car drivers.

Seriously this is the most ridiculous thread I have ever seen.

Get used to threads against us mate..usually done by people sat in there cars for 2 hours every morning trying to get to there place of work..usually walkable.!!!!!!
But too lazy to get out of there cars to try it...or go by bus/tram


jt

It always makes me laugh when sad numpties churn out the old 'they don't pay road tax' argument (as has happened a couple of times on this thread).

Road tax isn't a subscription that drivers pay for the use of the road, it's recompense for the damage and wear & tear that their vehicles cause to the road. Cyclists cause no damage to the road, so they don't have to pay for the use of the public (note the word public) highway.

If cyclists should be taxed for the use of the road, then so should pedestrians be charged for every time they step off the curb.

Get used to threads against us mate..usually done by people sat in there cars for 2 hours every morning trying to get to there place of work..usually walkable.!!!!!!
But too lazy to get out of there cars to try it...or go by bus/tram


jt

yeah and most of these people are under 25 or over 60 ban all drivers under 25 and 60 that should keep the young speeding chav weed smoking idiots off the roads and as for the over 60s coffin dodgers the lot of em :rant: :rant:
like last night outside the local newsagents sat what looked like an 18/19 year old in a nova type car, volume of music extra loud, sounded something like reggie, for some strange reason he just put his foot down and headed across the pavement at breakneck speed and headed straight down galsworthy road, if there had been a child or anyone for that matter crossing the road or even walking on the pavement, they would'nt have stood a chance, i managed to see his reg plate and write the number down but the police did not want to know, as usual, this is another reason i'd like to see them banned tossers!!!!!!!!!

Get used to threads against us mate..usually done by people sat in there cars for 2 hours every morning trying to get to there place of work..usually walkable.!!!!!!
But too lazy to get out of there cars to try it...or go by bus/tram


jt

yeah and most of these people are under 25 or over 60 ban all drivers under 25 and 60 that should keep the young speeding chav weed smoking idiots off the roads and as for the over 60s coffin dodgers the lot of em :rant: :rant:
like last night outside the local newsagents sat what looked like an 18/19 year old in a nova type car, volume of music extra loud, sounded something like reggie, for some strange reason he just put his foot down and headed across the pavement at breakneck speed and headed straight down galsworthy road, if there had been a child or anyone for that matter crossing the road or even walking on the pavement, they would'nt have stood a chance, i managed to see his reg plate and write the number down but the police did not want to know, as usual, this is another reason i'd like to see them banned tossers!!!!!!!!!

There, that's got your attention.

Just, I'm getting fed up of cyclists (the pedal variety). I've given up completely on the motor variety.:loopy:

They don't give a flying **** for the law. :) :) They go through red lights like they don't apply to them, go on the pavement when they can't get through on the road, cycle the wrong way down one-way streets - down the middle of the road not even down the side.

As for the mountain biker tearing up the tram track from off the bridge over Park Square roundabout, how he didn't mow a pedestrian down in Commercial Street the other day, is a mystery.

Sooner or later, a cyclist is going to be turned into mincemeat. :gag: :o :mad:

Been watching you "cyclists" for a few weeks now. On the whole, cyclists keep to the roads and obey the laws of the road. There are still a few who cycle like they are on a mountain-bike track, not in a City Centre where there are pedestrians about, of all ages. Doing 15mph (conservative estimate as he was still accelerating) down Fargate at lunchtime is anti-social. He was a few inches away from colliding into me. As you all know, Fargate is full of pensioners at lunchtime, bunging the shops up. A pensioner is not going to get out of the way quickly. One day, said mountain-bike cyclist will misjudge it and hit one. Fargate is a pedestrian precinct, not a cycle track.

My post originally was caused by a twonk riding a bike on the pavement, dashing across a road junction against the lights and being narrowly missed by white van man turning right from the other way. It is not about whether cyclists should pay road tax, ride 4-abreast or much else, really.

I'm not going on about all cyclists, just those one or two who dice with death or injury, either their own or others. The title was to get get others to comment on the foolhardy way some cyclists fly around the City Centre.

night outside the local newsagents sat what looked like an 18/19 year old in a nova type car, volume of music extra loud, sounded something like reggie

Who is reggie??? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

To redress the balance about the cyclist copper that I slagged off, yesterday a copper in full uniform but in a civvy car (silver mercedes) with 4 others in it went and drove on a bus lane. He obviously knew what he was doing cos he slowed down and looked about before doing it. As I said tho, the laws don't apply to 'em.

did you hear about the cyclist who mowed down 4 pedestrians and killed them he was only charged £180 fine for it.....

oh wait thats right it was a idiot in a bloody car that killed 4 cyclists

he he what a funny thread :)

cyclists 1 drivers 0 :D

The number of cyclists I've seen riding blithely through red lights truly beggars belief. Even shouting profanities at them after nearly being sent sprawling gets, at best, a two fingered salute in the way of response.

Do cyclists think that they can somehow circumnavigate the rules of the road because of the environmentally friendly nature of their vehicle of choice? I'll bet that if a car went into one of these simpletons, they and the cycling community at large would be up in arms about how drivers don't treat cyclists with respect.

If it were up to me, I'd force cyclists to take a proficiency test and to own a licence for their bike, as well as getting insurance. This might make them think twice about dangerous driving.

Penalty points would be given for:

1. Riding without lights
2. Cruising through red lights
3. Riding on the pavement
4. Riding on the wrong side of the road when in traffic
5. Speeding
6. Riding without due care and attention
7. Not having a bell or horn on their bike to alert others to danger
8. Driving without insurance

And probably some other things as well, which will no doubt raise the ire of the cycling community.

Why do they get to the lights see they are at red so go on the pavement.....

Cyclists - the majority of you are lovely but the next one who does that will get my pram rammed into them ( by accident of course).

Most ot those mentioned above are already against the law the trouble is the police dont enforce them

Not another angry rant against cyclists - boring!

If they had to pay for insurance and hold a licence I would imagine that they'd be much less cavalier with the law.

Mods, can you put this back into General Chat please? It's not just about the cyclists in Sheffield, but everywhere in the country. Ta:)

Not another angry rant against cyclists - boring!

Don't read it then.

This has been covered many many times before on here.

So have most topics. As I said - if you're not interested, don't read and don't post. The topic title makes it clear so you can easily ignore the thread.

I don't stop at red lights, and I don't care.

This has been covered many many times before on here.
Yes and I have no doubt it will be covered again and again while ever we have these lycra clad freeloaders who have no respect for pedestrians, motorists or the rule of law making a nuisance of themselves on the streets, parks and pavements of our fair city.:rant:

Sorry I apologise. After reading your original post it appears it is unique and different from the other cycling rant posts in the fact it is even more narrow minded and bigoted than the others.

Mods, can you put this back into General Chat please? It's not just about the cyclists in Sheffield, but everywhere in the country. Ta:)

this is where you put it RichC, it hasn't been moved...

I'll move it though... :)

cant he driversz also have new fines and points for passing bikes to closely/at high speed/ cutting up bikes if they ever try and turn right off a road. infact it's a creat idea if we conform to all you request then all the wingers will have to stop moaning about bikes slowing the traffic down. i'd happily pay to cycle at a nice slow speed in the middle the road.

Ah, of course. Cyclists have a right to do what they want on the road, because they don't spew out toxic fumes like those selfish car drivers. How remiss of me.

As I said, whether it's different or not, if you're not interested in the subject matter, ignore the thread. It's not hard.

this is where you put it RichC, it hasn't been moved...

I'll move it though... :)

Sorry em3978 - I could have sworn I'd started it in the General Chat section!

My bad. Please accept my apologies and my thanks :)

Ah, of course. Cyclists have a right to do what they want on the road, because they don't spew out toxic fumes like those selfish car drivers. How remiss of me.

As I said, whether it's different or not, if you're not interested in the subject matter, ignore the thread. It's not hard.
if that was in reply to me then your reading failed, i was backing you gives us more power and rights :)

It wasn't. It was in reply to Dug.

I fully advocate cyclists having rights as long as they have responsibilities to go with them too - i.e. proof of competence at riding, and insurance.

Pedestrians should have to take a test and buy insurance before walking on the pavement, then there'd be more room for the cyclists.

Well it makes as much sense as anything else on this thread...

If you say so, love.

Probably a cyclist.

Drivers are just jealous 'cause they are fat and unfit, they get out of breath putting their driving gloves on :) , whereas cyclists are fit, slim and gorgeous and can actually get away with wearing lycra without looking like an overstuffed bolster cushion.