I am currently researching the old derelict house on strines road/mortimer road in derbyshire/sheffield. I have heard rumors that a man killed his family there but am not sure as to wether or not these rumors are true. I would appreciate any information that anyone can give me as to the history of the house as it could prove valuble to my ongoing research of properties in that area.

Yours

Noswal

Any ideas as to the year ?

owdlad.

Not to sure as to the year. I know the house has been empty for some time. THe rumour was that the father/husband killed his wife and children and then did a runner to france, ever since then the house has been empty. Rumour or fact?. Do you know of any Sheffield based archive that may be able to help?

Originally posted by Noswal
Not to sure as to the year. I know the house has been empty for some time. THe rumour was that the father/husband killed his wife and children and then did a runner to france, ever since then the house has been empty. Rumour or fact?. Do you know of any Sheffield based archive that may be able to help?

The police!

While they probably wont post you a case file, it is possible that the case was notorious enough (if it is true) that someone is still remembers the gory details. If they don't help, you can bally well ask them why they have a link on their site to the Campaign for Freedom of Information.... :-)

not heard of that but a man supposedly killed his family i beleive at a wedding reception nearby at at an old hall i,ll try to find out more details

Originally posted by lucasdigital
The police!

While they probably wont post you a case file, it is possible that the case was notorious enough (if it is true) that someone is still remembers the gory details. If they don't help, you can bally well ask them why they have a link on their site to the Campaign for Freedom of Information.... :-)

Jeez.. please don't waste their time :roll:

Anyway, if it is the same person, yes there was a solicitor and he shot / stabbed the family and ended up the tower of Ruen Cathedral threatening to jump. Like most wife/child killers, he didn't have the guts so he was locked up.

Sugworth Hall? Ughill Hall? One or the the other.

The murders occured in the mid 80's at Ughill Hall and were committed by a Sheffield Solicitor called Wood. He murdered his French wife and daughter and then fled to France. He then climbed up a cathedral and threatened to jump. The crowd that gathered, shouted encouragement once they recognised him :-)

Sadly he failed to jump and was extradited back to Great Britain. He was tried for the murders and was found guilty. He received a mandatory life sentence for what were horrific murders.

If you mail me off forum, I may be able to give a bit more assistance

Thanks very much for the info. I would very much like to hear more about ughill hall e.g. post murder history of property.

noswal_ttocs@yahoo.co.uk

He also killed the nanny to.
It was at Ughill and the house has been converted to luxury flats.
There was a murder on the strines in the 1940s and the murderer broke into the Strines hotel and shot dead the owner.
He was eventually captured.

Originally posted by Tony
Jeez.. please don't waste their time :roll:

Anyway, if it is the same person, yes there was a solicitor and he shot / stabbed the family and ended up the tower of Ruen Cathedral threatening to jump. Like most wife/child killers, he didn't have the guts so he was locked up.

Sugworth Hall? Ughill Hall? One or the the other.

:shocked:
I didn't mean call 999!!! There are half a dozen puplic relations/press officers. Though most of the people they talk to are journalists they are happy to respond to serious enquiries, say if you were writing that book on local crime...etc.

I have a vague recollection that a Sheffield solicitor murdered his French wife and their children in a manor house somewhere near Sheffield before fleeing to a cathedral in France. I think it was around the time of the Miners' Strike, but could be completely wrong. Does anyone remember any details, names etc.?

This has been mentioned briefly in a previous thread. See:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13598

Cheers, Carrie

Not sure of the solicitor,s name, but this was around 1986. The murder was in Ughill (near Bradfield) and the solicitor was eventually arrested at the top of Notradame Cathedral in Paris.

Originally posted by rickb
Not sure of the solicitor,s name, but this was around 1986. The murder was in Ughill (near Bradfield) and the solicitor was eventually arrested at the top of Notradame Cathedral in Paris.

IIRC, the woman who was murdered was the ex-wife of one of my old teachers from Myers Grove.

Welcome to the forum Rickb! :wave:

K x

Not sure of the solicitor,s name, but this was around 1986. The murder was in Ughill (near Bradfield) and the solicitor was eventually arrested at the top of Notradame Cathedral in Paris.
Hi rick b I believe the actual murder was at ahouse on a road which ran round the back of the old Mojo club cant think of the name and Ialso think it was Reims Cathedral I apologise if I am wrong. arthur.

It's not This Case (http://society.guardian.co.uk/crimeandpunishment/story/0,8150,1160605,00.html) is it?? :confused:

The solicitor was called Woods, his office was at meadowhead, the crime started when he stole a large amount of clients money. I beleave he got into finacial trouble and lived above his means, he also left a child for dead who im sure survived being shot. There was a book out a few years ago (i think it was called yorkshire murders) and this story was included.

I think he was called Ian Wood

is he still in prison ?

he is still in prison but must be due for parole soon.
I thought it was a french nanny he shot not his wife.
I remember him on top of the cathedral in Paris like yesterday.

the person whose wife was shot was the head of my 1st year at myers at one point his son was blinded but got his eye sight back after this happened it was quite clear that it had affected him big time if you were female he would let you get away with murder(pardon the pun) but with the lads he was a funny bugger never liked the guy personaly but sad about what happened.

IIRC, the woman who was murdered was the ex-wife of one of my old teachers from Myers Grove.


And mine, K.... While I was there.....!

A friend of mine used to be Ian Wood's secretary.

She was amazed when this came out. She always said he was mild mannered and a thoroughly nice guy and could not believe he would do this.

His Name was Ian Wood of Denton And Wood Solicitors. I visted him once to have conveyancing done on my house. I ussed to see Alison Denton but she was on hoilday at the time so he stepped in. Seemed a nice bloke at the time. You never know who youre takling to do you!!

The murders occured in the mid 80's at Ughill Hall and were committed by a Sheffield Solicitor called Wood. He murdered his French wife and daughter and then fled to France. He then climbed up a cathedral and threatened to jump. The crowd that gathered, shouted encouragement once they recognised him :-)

Sadly he failed to jump and was extradited back to Great Britain. He was tried for the murders and was found guilty. He received a mandatory life sentence for what were horrific murders.

If you mail me off forum, I may be able to give a bit more assistance
ceegee has it right, also Tony. Please don't make stuff up or spread rumour. This is not the house on Mortimer Road, it was Ughill Hall. I understand the boy who was shot while asleep in bed regained his sight and I think he is doing OK? Everyone else was killed.

The rumour would have had plenty of time to spread in the 10 months since the previous posting Grahame.

If I sound a bit uptight about it, that is because my mother was talking to the solicitors partner only a couple of days before, and one of my colleagues from work was at the house on the Saturday as it happened on the Sunday.


Is it Thornseat Lodge on Mortimer Road you are interested in? See below.

http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/kirk6479/mycustompage0007.htm

I am currently researching the old derelict house on strines road/mortimer road in derbyshire/sheffield. I have heard rumors that a man killed his family there but am not sure as to wether or not these rumors are true. I would appreciate any information that anyone can give me as to the history of the house as it could prove valuble to my ongoing research of properties in that area.

Yours

Noswal
Hi, the house you mention seems to be thorseat lodge, there is a locked gate with a big boulder there, also there is a pretty modern house stands to its right. I do know that thornseat lodge was used by social services and the probation service as a childrens home prior to it becoming derilict. Its not however connected to any murder.

My goodness.that sounds like a nice place

thornseat lodge has at some time had scaffolding put up, i presume to do roof repairs etc. What i cannot understand is why such a historic/usefull building has been left empty to rot. Perhaps funding has run out, but it really needs redevelopment before it starts to collapse.

I believe Thornsett Lodge was bought by Doug Hague (of Hague Plant). He tends to buy up property around the Bradfield area and then do bugger all with it.

A) Douglas Hague is not a member of Hague Plant
B) The property is neither owned by Douglas nor Hague Plant.
I believe that you are committing libel!

Who does Thornsett Lodge belong to?

Thornsett Lodge was originally built as a shooting lodge for William Jessop of steel making fame. It became a children's home in the 30's and remained as one up until the early 80's.

It IS currently owned by Doug Hague, and only the front of the building now remains.

unfortunately royalregular, your sources are highly inaccurate as I am positive that Mr Douglas Hague is not the owner, reason being that I am the owner and have been for some time.
It appears that you have great admiration for Mr Hague, as his affairs seem to consume a considerable amount of your time.
Perhaps I should also enquire about your sources of information regarding the current state of the property, considering that only the front view can be seen from the road, how is it that you know the state of the rear of the property?

Hi ANONYMOUS, is there any way i can contact you?. If so will you pm me, thanks.

Hi, What Would You Like To Contact Me Regarding?

My info is from Bradfield Parish council.

"It appears that you have great admiration for Mr Hague, as his affairs seem to consume a considerable amount of your time."..............................erm, no.

My info is from Bradfield Parish council.
And they know.

hello anonymous, i have just joined this forum in order to contact you is their any way you can contact me

hello ridney you can private msg me with your questions.

Hello Anonymous,
It seems that because I've only got one post, I can't send you a private message. Would it be possible for you to send me a private message containing your email address so that I can contact you privately.

It is a shame that such a fine property is going to rack and ruin.

daniell lloyd and her baby daughter were shot and killed in the bathroom at ughill hall, colin lloyds son was also shot and left for dead, he survived and is now living with his father, ian wood then fled to france and climbed notra damn, he was arrested and sent to prison, ughill hall was on the market about two years ago, not sure of the present owners,

unfortunately royalregular, your sources are highly inaccurate as I am positive that Mr Douglas Hague is not the owner, reason being that I am the owner and have been for some time.
It appears that you have great admiration for Mr Hague, as his affairs seem to consume a considerable amount of your time.
Perhaps I should also enquire about your sources of information regarding the current state of the property, considering that only the front view can be seen from the road, how is it that you know the state of the rear of the property?

Do you own Wilkin Hill Cottage as well?

A) Douglas Hague is not a member of Hague Plant
B) The property is neither owned by Douglas nor Hague Plant.
I believe that you are committing libel!

According to my research the current owner is HAGUE PLANT EXCAVATIONS LIMITED <snip>

Although note that a quick check with Companies House shows Hague Plant Excavations Limited as being registered at another address <snippy>

Their address was changed <snippy>.

It IS currently owned by Doug Hague

I have found no evidence that Douglas Hague is or was part of Hague Plant Excavations Ltd. There does appear to be a Dianne and a David Hague who are linked via "Hague Plant Limited" <snip> of which Martin Hartley Hague is also a director, but no mention as far as I can find, of a Douglas Hague. Perhaps the initials of one or both of these two individuals explains the misunderstanding that a "D" (Douglas) Hague is connected to the property?

...only the front of the building now remains.

I think you may be mistaken. I've found some very detailed photos of this property online (Dated February 2007) and it's clear to see on the photos (granted, as long as the date given is accurate) that much more of the building remains than just the front of it.


Some of you may also be interested to know that, the Title Register for this property/land includes a covenant that appears to prevent the alteration of the present nature of the property for a period of twenty one years.

It is however unclear whether the period of 21 years was effective from 28 November 1934 in an agreement between "Grange and Dale Limited" and the City of Sheffield, or from 6 December 1994 through a transfer of the land from "the City of Sheffield" to "Hague Plant Excavations Limited".

If it's from the latter date, 21 years would take us to December 2015 - this could explain the appearance that nothing is being done with the property, although if this is the case it's somewhat "criminal" (by that I don't mean illegal but highly disappointing) that the property should be allowed to deteriorate to the degree it has so far and at a rate that will possibly continue. Surely there must be some kind of requirement to maintain the building... although from my passing glances at the building when driving by (I've been driving past this building for the past 5 years, at one point 3 times per week for almost 18 months) and from the photos I've seen it looks like a fairly sizeable chunk of money would be required which brings it back in to perspective.

However, from the Company Accounts filed with Companies House by both Hague Plant Excavations Ltd and Hague Plant Ltd, it would appear that they're certainly not short of funds and presumably could afford to rescue/renovate the lodge if they chose to do so.

I have to wonder, why anyone owning such a beautiful property would be prepared to stand by whilst it falls apart, although possibly in the current owners defence, Thornseat Lodge was considered, in 1994, as the possible location for an eight-place secure unit.

At that time the Sheffield City Council advised that the building was unsuitable for conversion (although presumably not for it being derelict), but in any case the Peak National Park planners had advised the council that they would not give permission for any new buildings on the site which is in the Green Belt. Perhaps, just perhaps, red tape being what it is in this country, they have not actually been allowed (or it's been too much of a hassle to pursue) to do anything to the building, restorative or otherwise?

Although you'd surely look to sell up if this was the case (E.g. Sheffield City Council presumably sold it (also in December 2004) as it was of no use to them in their plans for the secure unit). So why would you tie up your money in a property you either can't or possibly willingly haven't done anything with since 1994?

My only conclusion is that there's light at the end of the tunnel (for someone) and I would suggest that the 21 year covenant mentioned in the Title Register must have something to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised to see bulldozers moving in to clear up it's remains some time after December 2015.

I truly hope somebody steps forward (current owners or otherwise) and rescues this building from what would appear to be it's certain doom.

Hell, if I had the money I'd buy it tomorrow!

At the moment Thornseat lodge is in a bad state of repair, it will not last untill 2015 . I have been told that it will be demolished, but i do not know when. Pictures of the lodge appear on various internet sites and people consider the place to be of historical intrest (myself included) I actually stayed there for some time and it was a place of great warmth, not like the cold shell it has been allowed to become. I would have thought the lodge was a solid maintainable building in 1994. What a shame.........

Me being of that age, I can remember a murder taking place at The Strines around 1967. The name of the culprit being Lee. I seem to remember it was at the inn, but it is so long ago.

I am currently researching the old derelict house on strines road/mortimer road in derbyshire/sheffield. I have heard rumors that a man killed his family there but am not sure as to wether or not these rumors are true. I would appreciate any information that anyone can give me as to the history of the house as it could prove valuble to my ongoing research of properties in that area.

Yours

Noswal
My ex-girlfriend(of 16 yrs.) was a friend to the family you are interested in. The man was a Solicitor who shot his wife dead, & his young child in the head (the child survived), He went to France, climbed up a Cathederal, threatened to jump off !! But was too cowardly to take his own life. He is now (or was then ) in prison.

Me being of that age, I can remember a murder taking place at The Strines around 1967. The name of the culprit being Lee. I seem to remember it was at the inn, but it is so long ago.

I think the person you refer to is called Dave Lee. Lee commited an armed robbery on the Strines Inn. I was told he was in fancy dress at the time, i think he may have fired shots but no murder. There was however a murder at Ughill hall in the Bradfield area by a solicitor called woods, it was mentioned in a previous thread if you do a search. There was also another murder at a house that belonged to the reservoir in Bradfield and i think this happened early to mid 1980s. My memory of this murder is vague but i seem to recall a woman who killed her husband. I also seem to recall the woman once worked at Thornseat lodge part time. Please note there has never been a murder at Thornseat lodge.

Thanks Only Me for that. Yes, you are right, the name was David Lee. I remember it very well as I have a cousin of the same name. Thanks for pointing out it was armed robbery and not murder. I really only remember it because we used to go to The Marquis of Granby disco each Saturday night, and had to pass that way to get there. Thanks again.

I went to this guys (first)wedding many years ago. The bride was a friend. She was not the victim. Living abroard I missed the newspaper headlines and the details were so horrific that another friend just couldn't tell me about it properly for years. If anyone has old newspaper infos or details about the book "Yorkshire Murders" please let me know. I hope Ian doesn't get out to do any more damage. He's ruined more lives than the victims that died.

It was Amiens cathedral, I think.

I went to this guys (first)wedding many years ago. The bride was a friend. She was not the victim. Living abroard I missed the newspaper headlines and the details were so horrific that another friend just couldn't tell me about it properly for years. If anyone has old newspaper infos or details about the book "Yorkshire Murders" please let me know. I hope Ian doesn't get out to do any more damage. He's ruined more lives than the victims that died.

The story of ian woods is included in the book "Yorkshire murder casebook" the book is by Steve fielding. There are usually a few copies on ebay.

I used to go to school with the little boy who survived - Im 27 now.

The family who lived down the road (in Sandygate knew them well, as she was French too)

His mother was French and she divorced her husband and moved in with a very successful solicitor. She also had a 15 month old daughter.

She is said to tried to leave the solicitor, and he retaliated by shooting her and her two children through cushions. The mother and baby girl died, but the little boy survived - apparently they were picking feathers out of his wound for days.

The solicitor then ran off to France, climbed Notre Dame and threaten to jump off - he went to France to say sorry for what he did.

But he was talked down.

I believe he is still in prison.

unfortunately royalregular, your sources are highly inaccurate as I am positive that Mr Douglas Hague is not the owner, reason being that I am the owner and have been for some time.
It appears that you have great admiration for Mr Hague, as his affairs seem to consume a considerable amount of your time.
Perhaps I should also enquire about your sources of information regarding the current state of the property, considering that only the front view can be seen from the road, how is it that you know the state of the rear of the property?

Well shame on you for letting such a lovley historic building fall into rack and ruin. I recently looked at some photos on the internet taken by some urban explorers, and the state you have let this building fall into is shamefull :rant: such a waste:(

The man was called Ian wood- He murdered his Girlfriend Danielle (french)she had been married to a guy named Colin from Crookes or walkley- He shot Danielle ,her daughter and son- The boy survived- He left his car in the NCP car park on campo lane and fled to france- He climed Amien Cathedral (not Notre Damme) and was persuaded down by a priest- whilst on the run he kept in contact with the Editor of the Sheffield Gazzette named Brenda Tunney- It was all very horrific- He used to use a pub i owned in Sheffield prior to this and the press camped out there whilst all this was going on. Only weeks before i was with my sons at a fun fair and saw Ian Wood there with danielle and the children whilst all looking very happy and having fun-

As I remember the owner of the "Nuthouse", a health food shop in Berkeley Precinct on Ecclesall Road, was having an affair with the murderers wife. I think this affair was the pretext for the murders and shop owner was called to give evidence in court.

Anyone else remember the Nuthouse? It was sold to a Thai family shortly after and became more of an oriental food shop before becoming part of Blockbusters. It was the corner unit, last one before Tesco.

There's a video of Thornseat Lodge showing its sad state here -

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k1L_LimVo34

There's a video of Thornseat Lodge showing its sad state here -

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k1L_LimVo34

What a sad sight (and site).

Hi - yes, the little boy did survive - only because i remember that as he fell in the bathroom he was 'wedged' between the sink and the bath and this helped to 'immobilise' the injury (a bullet to the head). I worked at RHH for the brilliant neurosurgeons who treated him. I hope he's living a happy and fulfilled life now.

There's a video of Thornseat Lodge showing its sad state here -

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k1L_LimVo34

Thanks for the video Alastair. I was there twice to repair the caretakers TV just a few days before he moved out, leaving the building empty. I'm interested in Bradfield History as well and it is a crying shame to see such a fine building go to rack and ruin.
.

I hope Ian doesn't get out to do any more damage. He's ruined more lives than the victims that died.

Does anyone know if he's still a serving prisoner?

As I remember the owner of the "Nuthouse", a health food shop in Berkeley Precinct on Ecclesall Road, was having an affair with the murderers wife. I think this affair was the pretext for the murders and shop owner was called to give evidence in court. Did you know he subsequently committed suicide whilst driving through France? The plot is a thickened one Alastair.

Did you know he subsequently committed suicide whilst driving through France? The plot is a thickened one Alastair.

A sad tale all round. He didn't seem like your usual health food shop owner.

Hello,
I found this forum and I was wondering if anyone knows the original date and builders of Ughill Hall? I do know that it was owned once by the Marriot family and that it had deadly history for some members of that family. I've also read that it might have been the home of the person believed to be Robin Hood(?)

I'd love to more about Ughill Hall, I'm a native Californian so I'm only used to buildings having a less than 150 year history.

My curiosity about the place comes actually from the Ian Wood murders. My parents had an interesting encounter with Wood in France either just before or just after the murders.
If anyone is interested, I'll tell the story; mother also saved all of the newpapers about the murders.

Thank you,
Susan

A sad tale all round. He didn't seem like your usual health food shop owner.

the french guy who committed the murder is now out of jail and lives nr bakewell and dines regular with someone i know ,and this is not a fairy story this is fact

Does anyone know if he's still a serving prisoner?

not anymore hes out and about and dines regular with a person that i know ,crazy

the french guy who committed the murder is now out of jail and lives nr bakewell and dines regular with someone i know ,and this is not a fairy story this is fact

Is this about Ian Wood? He wasn't French but his adult victim was.
Has Ian Wood been set free?

the french guy who committed the murder is now out of jail and lives nr bakewell and dines regular with someone i know ,and this is not a fairy story this is fact
Is your friend an old associate of his? Has he retained his identity? Interesting stuff!

Hello,
I found this forum and I was wondering if anyone knows the original date and builders of Ughill Hall? I do know that it was owned once by the Marriot family and that it had deadly history for some members of that family. I've also read that it might have been the home of the person believed to be Robin Hood(?)

I'd love to more about Ughill Hall, I'm a native Californian so I'm only used to buildings having a less than 150 year history.

My curiosity about the place comes actually from the Ian Wood murders. My parents had an interesting encounter with Wood in France either just before or just after the murders.
If anyone is interested, I'll tell the story; mother also saved all of the newpapers about the murders.

Thank you,
Susan

This is what I know of Ughill Hall. It was just down the road from Little Haggis Croft where Robin Hood is said to have been born. Loxley and Wadsly commons are on the other side of the road.

UGHILL HALL
Ughill Hall goes back to the time of Edward the Confessor (1042-1066). The Lord of the Manor of Ughill was the Saxon, Aldene, at the same time as Earl Waltheof was the Lord of the Manor of Hallam. (When councillors were looking for a suitable alternative name for Coal Pit Lane near Loxley Common, they chose Aldene Rd because of this connection.)

After the conquest William the Conqueror seized the hall and gave it to Roger-de-Busli. An entry in the Domesday Book confirms it as belonging to Roger with adjoining land. Roger-de-Busli built himself a castle at Tickhill and garrisoned it with Norman soldiers. He also possessed other land for example at Kimberworth and Tinsley. He also held the land of Hallamshire in sufeuditary to Judith, who was the niece of William the Conqueror and wife of Waltheof.

The new occupants of the Hall were the Marriott family who comprised the brothers Rudolph, Augustine, and William. They derived their name from the Town of Marriott in Normandy. Their names also appeared in the Barron's wars, the wars of the Roses, and also in foreign wars. Around 1647 John Marriott was both fined and plundered by the Royalists of Sheffield Castle. The Marriott's must have survived because they were there for more than four hundred years after the conquest. In the front wall of the building was a stone tablet with Thomas Marriott 1697. Whether he erected it then or enlarged it we are not certain. But many more additions and alterations have since been made to this substantial stone residence. In 1743 George Marriott was Master Cutler of Sheffield. After the death of Benjamin Marriott in 1761 the male line failed and Ughill Hall belonged then to Thomas Marriott Perkins. It is he who was a benefactor to the School at Bradfield. For many years the house fell into disrepair.

In more recent years many different families have occupied Ughill Hall. When George Elliott the auctioneer lived at the adjoining farm with his seven boys and two girls, it belonged to Charles Vickers of Sheffield, who during the summer months used it as their shooting lodge, bringing along many friends to enjoy the lovely countryside, together with their maids and carriage men, etc. having many parties there. In fact two of the maids married Vivian and Clement Elliott, two of the farmer's sons from next door.

Then Mr Lomas owned the house and land for many years, never selling it as he wished to retain the land rights for his clay mining and clay manufacturing business.

Another family who rented it was Mr and Mrs A. J. J. Ratcliff with their daughter Nora Elizabeth. They were English lecturers at Sheffield College and Nora was well known for her plays and novels. Her play about the Sheffield Flood gaining high acclaim. During the war Roy-de-Groot stayed there for a short while. Then there were Mr and Mrs Roseberry, Mr Brooks, Mr & Mrs Gaisford, Mrs Sykes then Ian Wood.

Coming up to date the house was rented by a Sheffield solicitor who tragically shot and killed his common law wife also shooting her two children, one died, the other miraculously lived. It is said, feathers from the pillow entered his head causing him to loose his sight. It is understood the boy lives with his natural father and his sight has returned. The solicitor fled to France, where he climbed onto the roof of a cathedral to escape capture but was brought to trial. Ughill Hall was later advertised for sale at about £250,000, coming on the market again in the autumn of year 2000 for £350.000.


Here is a picture of where the Croft was, Loxley and Wadsley Commons are behind the cameraman.

http://www.robinhoodloxley.net/mycustompage0004.htm

There is more about Robin Hood if you click on the link in my signature.

Hello,
I found this forum and I was wondering if anyone knows the original date and builders of Ughill Hall? I do know that it was owned once by the Marriot family and that it had deadly history for some members of that family. I've also read that it might have been the home of the person believed to be Robin Hood(?)

I'd love to more about Ughill Hall, I'm a native Californian so I'm only used to buildings having a less than 150 year history.

My curiosity about the place comes actually from the Ian Wood murders. My parents had an interesting encounter with Wood in France either just before or just after the murders.
If anyone is interested, I'll tell the story; mother also saved all of the newpapers about the murders.

Thank you,
Susan

I would love to know about your parents encounter with Ian Wood please.

I would love to know about your parents encounter with Ian Wood please.

Me too. I remember the event like it was yesterday.

Me too. I remember the event like it was yesterday.

Thank you Grahame for your information.

My parents were on vacation with another couple. They stayed overnight in Paris before heading to the wine country for a canal barge trip. They ate supper at a restaurant, I don't know what its French name is but in English, it's something like "My Mother Elizabeth or Katherine".

My mother knows limited French but she had eaten there before and wanted some type of egg dish. When the meal came, it wasn't quite what she wanted; the egg was raw.
She was trying to convey the fact that she didn't want a raw egg on her meal when a very nice gentleman dining alone at the next table spoke up in French and cleared up the confusion.

That fellow was Ian Wood and all during dinner, they chatted with him. He told them that he was an English solicitor there on business and since my dad was in politics at the time, they exchanged business cards.

Before he left the restaurant, Ian Wood asked my mother if they would enjoy the rest of the bottle of wine that he'd ordered; very nice of him.
Even more amazing, when the four of them went to pay their bill, they were told that the Englishman had paid for their entire meal.

My parents left on their canal trip and two weeks later, they went to London for a few days. Once in the hotel, Mother turned on the TV and heard my Dad say, "Look at that, isn't the fellow we met in Paris?"
Indeed it was Ian Wood and he had murdered his live-in girlfriend and her little daughter only days after being so charming to my parents. Dad wondered if Wood still had his business card on him when he was arrested.

My mother remembers that the news reported that he had been in France to try to secure a divorce for his girlfriend but was unable to do so. Now that I know a bit more, I believe that he was in financial trouble and had run out of options; at least in his mind anyway.

"In 1743 George Marriott was Master Cutler of Sheffield. After the death of Benjamin Marriott in 1761 the male line failed and Ughill Hall belonged then to Thomas Marriott Perkins. It is he who was a benefactor to the School at Bradfield. For many years the house fell into disrepair."

Grahame,

I've also just read that the Marriott line had several odd deaths in the house and that Thomas Marriott Perkins may have burried Benjamin Marriott under the home.

"In 1743 George Marriott was Master Cutler of Sheffield. After the death of Benjamin Marriott in 1761 the male line failed and Ughill Hall belonged then to Thomas Marriott Perkins. It is he who was a benefactor to the School at Bradfield. For many years the house fell into disrepair."

Grahame,

I've also just read that the Marriott line had several odd deaths in the house and that Thomas Marriott Perkins may have burried Benjamin Marriott under the home.

Oh dear, I don't know anything about that, but it is very interesting, is it from a reliable source.

Thanks for relating the story about your parents, that was very interesting, Ian Wood must have been at his wits end I think and possibly couldn't see any way out?

Something else that has a bearing on all of this is that Ian's girl friend was selling her house on Cross Lane and she was standing on the pavement waiting for Ian to come. My mother who had never met her before, got into conversation with her and said what a nice lady she was. Mum was devastated when she heard what happened a few days later.

The other thing is that one of my work colleagues was called out one Saturday afternoon to repair the video at Ughill Hall. After he had finished, Ian thanked him for coming and said how he would never work on Saturdays for anyone and he put his hand in his pocket and gave my colleague a twenty pound note. This was on the Saturday and on the Sunday, the day after, he did all that.

not anymore hes out and about and dines regular with a person that i know ,crazy

I can't get the thought out of my mind of Ian Wood and Stephen Downing having regular candlelight suppers. :gag:

How long did he serve then?

Thank you again for your replies. I'd really like to know if Ian Wood did get out of prison.
In the US, if someone doesn't get the death penalty, early parole can be held off by the survivor's testimony at the parole hearing.

I have my own English Ian "brush with murder" story. Here in 1993, a man named Ian Spiro killed his three children and wife before he took his own life with cyanide in the desert just east of us. The murder/suicide was the focus of much intrigue in both the US and the UK because Spiro went missing for three days after his family was found dead, he had lived in the middle east for many and he had been a minor contract employee of the CIA. He also played a part in the release of Terry Waite.

After the murders, Gale Spiro's half brothers spent thousands trying to prove that Ian had not killed his family but had been set up by either the CIA, the Mosaad or Iran. None of this was ever proven and Spiro was deeply in debt. He was three months behind in rent on the million plus home they lived in and he owed a great deal of money. Nevertheless, he had been living the high life in California; children in private schools, country clubs, and horses for the daughters.

The Spiro's youngest child was lovely little red haired girl about age 10 and she was in my son's cotillion class. Cotillion met once a week and parents sat in the back of the ballroom to observe. I don't remember Mr. Spiro but I do remember his wife because I spoke with her several times while my son danced with her daughter. I had taken a photo of our two children dancing and since the little girl died within a few weeks after it was taken, I put it away and didn't look at it for a long time. It was such a waste of life.

From what I remember, the family's bodies were returned to the UK and Ian Sprio was buried with his family.

So this guy murdered 2 people and nearly killed 1, and now he lives in bakewell!!! Christ!! Beggers believe!! He should be in prison forever! When he 'dines' out with your 'someone you know' i hope he chokes to death!!!!!

What was the name of the teacher at myers who was married to the woman? Bet she wished she stayed with him!!! And was the child which died his?

What was the name of the teacher at myers who was married to the woman? Bet she wished she stayed with him!!! And was the child which died his?

I think he was called Lloyd, and the child who died was his.

Thank you Grahame for your information.

My parents were on vacation with another couple. They stayed overnight in Paris before heading to the wine country for a canal barge trip. They ate supper at a restaurant, I don't know what its French name is but in English, it's something like "My Mother Elizabeth or Katherine".

My mother knows limited French but she had eaten there before and wanted some type of egg dish. When the meal came, it wasn't quite what she wanted; the egg was raw.
She was trying to convey the fact that she didn't want a raw egg on her meal when a very nice gentleman dining alone at the next table spoke up in French and cleared up the confusion.

That fellow was Ian Wood and all during dinner, they chatted with him. He told them that he was an English solicitor there on business and since my dad was in politics at the time, they exchanged business cards.

Before he left the restaurant, Ian Wood asked my mother if they would enjoy the rest of the bottle of wine that he'd ordered; very nice of him.
Even more amazing, when the four of them went to pay their bill, they were told that the Englishman had paid for their entire meal.

My parents left on their canal trip and two weeks later, they went to London for a few days. Once in the hotel, Mother turned on the TV and heard my Dad say, "Look at that, isn't the fellow we met in Paris?"
Indeed it was Ian Wood and he had murdered his live-in girlfriend and her little daughter only days after being so charming to my parents. Dad wondered if Wood still had his business card on him when he was arrested.

My mother remembers that the news reported that he had been in France to try to secure a divorce for his girlfriend but was unable to do so. Now that I know a bit more, I believe that he was in financial trouble and had run out of options; at least in his mind anyway.

Thanks for that Suz, what an interesting tale. I knew Ian Wood, not very well but well enough to have a conversation with him. The last time I saw him was in Hanrahans bar one lunchtime, he was having lunch on his own and we had a glass of wine together-he was waiting for Danielle (g/friend) who had an out patient appointment at the Hallamshire.

I was struck by how much weight he'd lost compared to the last time I'd seen him, he looked really fit and healthy and had lost the portly, corpulent look he'd had previously.

I'd agree with your parents, the bloke was always warm and engaging when I encountered him and I was in disbelief when I heard what had happened.

i did a year of teaching at myers grove 1988 to 89. so the terrible tragedy happened in the summer of 1988. colin lloyd was a friendly good looking energetic man, i think he was head of lower school. danielle was known to a friend of a friend, who said she was lovely, beautiful but carried a sadness about her. all i know is ian was in trouble big time for fraud. i think he meant to kill her, her and colin's children and then himself. only he could not. he had young children of his own at the time. the surviving child went to live with colin and his new partner who i believe had a child in 1989. there is no excuse for killing innocent people - sadly very occaisionally someone in deep trouble looses their mind - they may take their own life or they may take the lives of their loved ones as well.
does anyone remember the little boy who was murdered on the allotments at rivelin valley road by a myers pupil? i did not teach the little boy but he and his friend always used to open doors for me or want to help me carry things -so sweet.

Dear All

The vast majority of what has been posted here is incorrect. I particularly object to people who erroneously claim they knew my family or worked with them.

I am Ian Wood's daughter and am not on here to defend him. What I would ask is that people who are trying to rebuild their lives as a result of this vile crime are left in peace. Anyone who has a genuine reason for being interested in this horrific incident please PM me as it is insulting and silly the rubbish on here, and that this is gossip fodder.

To the people who claim to know us or have known us, it's a terrible shame you didn't come forward to offer your support at the time. I believe Ian received hundreds of letters of support.

I am not posting this to detract from what my father did. I am asking you to think before you post on a website.

E

He also killed the nanny to.
It was at Ughill and the house has been converted to luxury flats.
There was a murder on the strines in the 1940s and the murderer broke into the Strines hotel and shot dead the owner.
He was eventually captured.

Christ I didnt know that. That puts me about for reasons I wont say on here. Bit too close for comfort for me that....

Here we go. Nope, no nanny.

The Strines actually is my concern not the nanny. I am sorry to hear you are related to this guy I sincerely am but the sensationalism of these events will always take place. People cannot be blamed for discussing things like this and I am sure that somewhere in your life you gossip about the extraneous. Please dont be offended. Although I too wonder what the OP interest it is perhaps that like myself they just have an interest in history that extends to local history, or an interest in one of the properties

I wasn't aware that this happened at the Strines. How odd! I'm glad your interest lies in your historical bent, but if your interest is genuine, contact me on my own email.

The Strines actually is my concern not the nanny. I am sorry to hear you are related to this guy I sincerely am but the sensationalism of these events will always take place. People cannot be blamed for discussing things like this and I am sure that somewhere in your life you gossip about the extraneous. Please dont be offended. Although I too wonder what the OP interest it is perhaps that like myself they just have an interest in history that extends to local history, or an interest in one of the properties

Discuss, yes. Invent stories about it, no. Wasn't it bad enough? I'm stunned everyone had to get involved. Meeting someone once DOES NOT mean you are an expert in that person's behaviour. I from all of my heart ask you to leave us alone. If you still feel you need details please email me.