A study has shown that the Sheffield Hallam constituency is still the wealthiest outside of London. Also, High Peak in Derbyshire is the fastest growing in terms of affluence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3871857.stm

http://www.newsroom.barclays.co.uk/news/data/950.html

"The highest ranked area outside London and the South-east was Sheffield Hallam which moved up from 17th last year to 11th in 2004, with 11.8 per cent affluent (7.9 per cent in 2003)."

Great news for the 12% who are high earners. How come the areas that have the richest people in, and thus should be paying the most council tax, get the least amount spent on them? The roads around here are awful, even aside from the speed bumps, and the pavements aren't much better.

It doesn't surprise me at all. Fulwood is the nicest area I've ever seen, people are great and houses are so well kept.. They're immaculate!!!

Originally posted by Sony
It doesn't surprise me at all. Fulwood is the nicest area I've ever seen, people are great and houses are so well kept.. They're immaculate!!!

It's not Fulwood specific, it's the entire Sheffield Hallam constituency, which includes pretty much all of the South West of Sheffield.

"The total number of Barclay's customers in Hallam earning more than £60,000 has jumped from 7.9 per cent to 11.8 per cent.
It makes the area, which includes Fulwood, Dore, Ecclesall and Whirlow, the wealthiest outside London and the South East, turning the North South divide on its head."


http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=818546

Oh yeah, I gathered, but was just promoting my wonderful area!!

Makes 2 of us then, and theres nothing wrong with that.

According to that article on sheffield.net "Those in their teens and 20s earning salaries the rest of Sheffielders can only dream of DOUBLED in the last 12 months, according to a survey by Barclay's Bank"
I can only afford to live up here as my partner & I earn quite a decent wage, but what do the teens the article is talking about do for a living??? Any ideas??

I think the actual study classed young people as under 30s, and the Star have taken it upon themselves to make it sound as though there are lots of teens earning over £60k a year! There will probably be a few that do though.

it IS possible to live in the Fulwood / Hallam area and not be on a high wage. Perhaps not to buy though...

I'm certainly not rich!

Originally posted by t020
"The total number of Barclay's customers in Hallam earning more than £60,000 has jumped from 7.9 per cent to 11.8 per cent.


Maybe loads more rich people have now started banking at Barclays? Or maybe lots of poor people from that area closed their Barclays accounts?

Originally posted by t020
A study has shown that the Sheffield Hallam constituency is still the wealthiest outside of London. Also, High Peak in Derbyshire is the fastest growing in terms of affluence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3871857.stm

http://www.newsroom.barclays.co.uk/news/data/950.html

"The highest ranked area outside London and the South-east was Sheffield Hallam which moved up from 17th last year to 11th in 2004, with 11.8 per cent affluent (7.9 per cent in 2003)."

It's all relative though. Compared to several areas in London Sheffield Hallam would seem quite ordinary.

As someone once said, "If the north is so great why doesn't the queen live there"? Interesting point.

Originally posted by t020
It makes the area, which includes Fulwood, Dore, Ecclesall and Whirlow, the wealthiest outside London and the South East,

Followed by:

turning the North South divide on its head.

...doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by Abdul
Followed by:



...doesn't make sense.

yeh its like saying, the manor is the richest area of sheffield, if you dont include the other areas of sheffield.

Ho ho ho, they were talking about the north - south of ENGLAND divide, not Sheffield specifically! Ho ho.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
It's all relative though. Compared to several areas in London Sheffield Hallam would seem quite ordinary.

As someone once said, "If the north is so great why doesn't the queen live there"? Interesting point.

Actually the richest constituency, Chelsea and Kensington, has 16% earning over £60k, meaning Hallam is only 4% behind. As for the north - south point, although the Star put it badly, is that Sheffield Hallam is more affluent than many London borough constituencies, even the likes of Windsor.

Originally posted by t020
Actually the richest constituency, Chelsea and Kensington, has 16% earning over £60k, meaning Hallam is only 4% behind. As for the north - south point, although the Star put it badly, is that Sheffield Hallam is more affluent than many London borough constituencies, even the likes of Windsor.

where does hallam rate on the wealth table I wonder?

Originally posted by t020
Actually the richest constituency, Chelsea and Kensington, has 16% earning over £60k, meaning Hallam is only 4% behind. As for the north - south point, although the Star put it badly, is that Sheffield Hallam is more affluent than many London borough constituencies, even the likes of Windsor.

Windsor is not a borough/constituency of London. Windsor is in the county of Berkshire, a good 30-40 miles to the west of London. Windsor also neighbours the truly grim town of Slough, which would drag the average affluence score down a good bit.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
where does hallam rate on the wealth table I wonder?

11th in the UK, as mentioned. Top outside of London and richer than a lot there too.

Pushing the averages upwards are the Derbyshire Dales' super rich. This area may be Derbyshire and not strictly Sheffield but it is covered by Sheffield post codes.
With many millionaires and a scattering of billionaires the Derbyshire Dales is possibly one of the hottest rich spots in the UK. Unfortunately this vastly wealthy set pays its taxes to Derbyshire councils, not Sheffield, despite most of them making their money in Sheffield. When it comes to spending their wealth - do they do it in Sheffield? Do they heck. They go to places with decent shops like London, Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham, Chester, York, Edinburgh. They eat in the posh restaurants out of town.
So yes, Hallam area might be rich - but is it of any real benefit to Sheffield - no its not.
And why is this? Because the moderately rich want to do the things the super rich do. And that's not in Sheffield. Sheffield has remained comparatively static over the last decade because the council has such an incredibly big chip on its shoulder and no imagination. The result is that while other cities compete on an international scale, our once great city continues to choke on poor architecture (did I say poor? I mean boring) and a shocking infrastructure. A perfect example of planners’ madness is the expensive cobbled central barrier up Parkway, while the surfaces in the rest of the city remain the worse in Europe.
The international reputation of Sheffield's councillors is becoming an embarrassment - we only have three great things - art galleries, sports facilities and tallented people. Why do we put up with our councillors and planners? There needs to be an independent report on the council, the planners and public spending - and maybe, if/once things are sorted out we will have a city we deserve. One that looks like it might be rich!

That's an interesting point, Mr_E.

I thought it was all down to Prince Naseem and his estimated £30million fortune.

Originally posted by Mr_E
There needs to be an independent report on the council, the planners and public spending

There is:

In common with other local authorities, the Council is subject to an annual assessment by the Audit Commission known as the Comprehensive Performance Assessment - or CPA for short. Sheffield is currently rated as a ‘good’ Council overall.

More details here:

Audit Commission (http://www.audit-commission.gov.uk/cpa/stcc/scorecard.asp?CategoryID=ENGLISH^576^LOCAL-VIEW^AUTHORITIES^107290&CPAOnly=True&CPAPhase=CPA-Dec-2003)

The next level is excellent, so as a city we're only one off the top mark. :)

Originally posted by Snook
Great news for the 12% who are high earners. How come the areas that have the richest people in, and thus should be paying the most council tax, get the least amount spent on them? The roads around here are awful, even aside from the speed bumps, and the pavements aren't much better.

Here here, my road never gets gritted, its a shambles:mad:

The Audit Commission seems reasonable as a "stand alone document". Maybe, if the council/planners were excellent, we'd have a beautiful city with a decent infrastructure, and my other rants may even be addressed. Maybe we'd even see a change in attitude towards the council - and the people of Sheffield would actually consider its governors to be good!

This quote from the CPA sums it all up rather well methinks:-

"However, there has been little change in the condition of the highways, which remains poor. Based on Sheffield City Council’s current plans it is well placed to further improve the way it works and the services it provides to local people."

You can interpret that in one of two ways depending on your political inclination. Need I say any more?

Originally posted by Mr_E
[B]Pushing the averages upwards are the Derbyshire Dales' super rich. This area may be Derbyshire and not strictly Sheffield but it is covered by Sheffield post codes.
With many millionaires and a scattering of billionaires the Derbyshire Dales is possibly one of the hottest rich spots in the UK. Unfortunately this vastly wealthy set pays its taxes to Derbyshire councils, not Sheffield, despite most of them making their money in Sheffield. When it comes to spending their wealth - do they do it in Sheffield? Do they heck. They go to places with decent shops like London, Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham, Chester, York, Edinburgh. They eat in the posh restaurants out of town.
So yes, Hallam area might be rich - but is it of any real benefit to Sheffield - no its not.


Not true. Sheffield Hallam is a constituency covering the SW of Sheffield. Beyond that, the area you mean is actually the High Peak constituency and isn't more affluent than Hallam. High Peak areas like Hathersage and Bakewell may have Sheffield postcodes (S32, S33), but consituency boundaries aren't based on postcodes at all. All Sheffield Hallam residents pay their council tax to the Sheffield City Council, and all High Peak residents pay theirs to Derbyshire. So yes, it is of real benefit to Sheffield.

I'm surprised at the results, I thought part of Cheshire was supposed to be the next richest place?

Originally posted by Herbert
Here here, my road never gets gritted, its a shambles:mad:

Thats because they know the posh folk always have a 4x4 parked up somewhere in their huge garages that they used the year before and have just forgotton about :)

Its a recycling policy you see.... :)

Originally posted by spook
I'm surprised at the results, I thought part of Cheshire was supposed to be the next richest place?

Nope, never has been. There was a separate study last year or the year before that took into account income and house prices to come out with a disposable income for each constituency. Hallam was 2nd to Tatton, Cheshire, in that, but in terms of overall wealth Hallam is very much ahead of Cheshire.

Does it really matter! Feel fortunate if you live in Sheffield Hallam, South West of sheffield, or whatever - I do, after reading the plight of 'Moon Maiden'
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13928

So where are my nice roads, interesting public buildings, Moon Maiden's support? Wealthy with nothing to show for it, that’s Sheffield.
Yes we should be proud of our city its got everything going for it. But for god's sake – let’s be realistic - travel a bit - see how nice other places are. Sheffield might not be as bad as Slough, Lincoln, Gloucester, Portsmouth, Reading or Southampton. But let's face it, let's put our pride aside and admit that the city centre and our infrastructure are in need of a complete rebuild. That the council is inadequate. That the councillors are – well, stereotypical. And Michael Moor thinks he’s got an issue with Georgie Bush!
If we've got wealthy folk living here - which some say we have - where's the gold pavements?
And anyway, the info about area wealth leagues is researched by journalists (the one I saw talked about Hallam and its surrounding areas, including Bakewell - the countries richest town - apparently) - do we really believe their nonsense?

And I love this ranting! Never used a forum before – I could get to like this. Maybe, if I win the lottery I could call myself The Hallam Ranter.

The wealth surveys were carried out by Barclays bank using actual earnings figures paid into constituents bank accounts. This isn't fraudulant journalism by any stretch of the imagination, just plain fact that Sheffield Hallam is the richest constituency outside of the 10 most exclusive London boroughs.

Originally posted by Mr_E
Yes we should be proud of our city its got everything going for it. But for god's sake – let’s be realistic - travel a bit - see how nice other places are. Sheffield might not be as bad as Slough, Lincoln, Gloucester, Portsmouth, Reading or Southampton.

I think Reading has a nicer city centre than Sheffield, i spent a very enjoyable day there... I still love sheffield though :D

Originally posted by t020
This isn't fraudulant journalism by any stretch of the imagination, just plain fact that Sheffield Hallam is the richest constituency outside of the 10 most exclusive London boroughs.

It actually says that Sheffield Hallam is 11th outside of London AND the South East. 6 out of the top 10 are not in London. Also, there are no London boroughs listed on the Barclays site, only wards.

Originally posted by laalaa
It actually says that Sheffield Hallam is 11th outside of London AND the South East. 6 out of the top 10 are not in London. Also, there are no London boroughs listed on the Barclays site, only wards.

Wrong. There were 2 studies in this latest survey, 1 was for the "fastest growing wealth hotspots" and the other was for overall wealth based on the percentage of individuals earning over £60k a year. In the latter, ALL top 10 positions were constituencies of London and the South East, e.g. Chelsea and Kensington. In 11th place comes Sheffield Hallam, therefore making it the wealthiest in terms of the % of people earning more than £60k outside of London and the South East. Lastly, there are no wards listed on the Barclays site, only consituencies.

Please see the following extract taken from http://www.newsroom.barclays.co.uk/news/data/950.html to confirm my point:

"In terms of the percentage of the population that is earning over £60,000 per year Kensington and Chelsea came top nationally for the third year in a row with 16.6 per cent in 2004 compared to 12.5 per cent in 2003. The Cities of London and Westminster moved up in to second place with 14.2 per cent. The highest ranked area outside London and the South-east was Sheffield Hallam which moved up from 17th last year to 11th in 2004, with 11.8 per cent affluent (7.9 per cent in 2003)."

And this is of some importance because....?

Because for once Sheffield has some good press coverage, and because laalaa should get his/her facts straight before disregarding perfectly valid facts.

There was something in The Times on Friday about Waitrose coming to Ecclesall Road, and the affluent people it will serve in the area.

Shame they spoilt it by continually referring to it as "Eccleshall Road".

Originally posted by alchresearch


Shame they spoilt it by continually referring to it as "Eccleshall Road".

They spelt Netto wrong as well. It's not spelt W.A.I.T.R.O.S.E:thumbsup:

Originally posted by t020
Wrong. There were 2 studies in this latest survey, 1 was for the "fastest growing wealth hotspots" and the other was for overall wealth based on the percentage of individuals earning over £60k a year. In the latter, ALL top 10 positions were constituencies of London and the South East, e.g. Chelsea and Kensington. In 11th place comes Sheffield Hallam, therefore making it the wealthiest in terms of the % of people earning more than £60k outside of London and the South East. Lastly, there are no wards listed on the Barclays site, only consituencies.

Please see the following extract taken from http://www.newsroom.barclays.co.uk/news/data/950.html to confirm my point:

"In terms of the percentage of the population that is earning over £60,000 per year Kensington and Chelsea came top nationally for the third year in a row with 16.6 per cent in 2004 compared to 12.5 per cent in 2003. The Cities of London and Westminster moved up in to second place with 14.2 per cent. The highest ranked area outside London and the South-east was Sheffield Hallam which moved up from 17th last year to 11th in 2004, with 11.8 per cent affluent (7.9 per cent in 2003)."

You didn't get my point. I was just pointing out that your "plain fact" was inaccurate. You said

Originally posted by t020
just plain fact that Sheffield Hallam is the richest constituency outside of the 10 most exclusive London boroughs.

when

1. It's 11th richest outside of London and the South East, not just London. As I said before, six of the the top ten aren't in London.

2. There aren't any boroughs in the list, only constituencies (thanks for the correction).

Originally posted by Snook
And this is of some importance because....?


I suspect it's important to t020 because he lives in the Hallam ward and feels the association with this exalted segment of society is good for his self-esteem.

I fact this group, who will happily pay over the odds for what they want, are to a large extent responsible for the recent spate of house price inflation in Sheffield and so are very much a mixed blessing.

Originally posted by laalaa

1. It's 11th richest outside of London and the South East, not just London. As I said before, six of the the top ten aren't in London.


But it's not the 11th richest outside of London and the South East, its the 1st richest outside of London and the South East. It's the 11th richest OVERALL. I'll accept the fact that I missed out "and the South East" though, and that boroughs should've read "constituencies".

Originally posted by Greybeard
I suspect it's important to t020 because he lives in the Hallam ward and feels the association with this exalted segment of society is good for his self-esteem.

I fact this group, who will happily pay over the odds for what they want, are to a large extent responsible for the recent spate of house price inflation in Sheffield and so are very much a mixed blessing.

Hallam *consituency*.

This survey is about as meaningful as the school league tables, and is a similar example of self-fulfilling prophecy. I know - back to my hobby-horse. So shoot me. :)

There are no more wealthy people in Sheffield than in Manchester or Leeds; in fact I'd suspect that there are considerably fewer. It's just that they tend to be concentrated in one area, because people with money turn their retrousse noses up at living in Pitsmoor or Gleadless or LowEdges (or even Walkley or Hillsborough). Sheffield is unusual in having almost all of its expensive property located in one part of the city, falling within one Parliamentary constituency. It skews the sample. In other cities the wealth tends to be more spread around.

Okay, so Manchester has Didsbury and Leeds has Roundhay, etc., but there are other nice bits apart from those areas.

There are other pockets of affluence in Sheffield, particularly out towards the Loxley Valley, Oughtibridge and Bradfield direction, but they are offset by the poorer bits of Hillsborough consituency.

You have a point but howcome the wealthier areas are so much more concentrated in Sheffield than in all of the other cities? Why don't wealthier Manchester and Leeds residents turn "their retrousse noses up" at living in their equivalents of Pitsmoor and Gleadless?

I'm sorry, but I think facts are being construed here.
The Barclays report is about the percentage of people earning over 60 K, which is taken to identify wealth "hotspots". In this survey, Hallam constituency comes out 11th in the UK.

The report does not concern itself with wealth per se. To do this, the methodology would be different, namely measuring and ranking disposible income or GDP per capita or per household. Only by doing this can the "richest area" be identified.

Therefore, the results of this study do not identify Hallam as the richest constituency outside of London. Indeed, and quite correctly so, neither the study nor the BBC report on it says this. It would be shoddy journalism to do so.

Anyone know of a list of GDP per capita for constituencies?Certainly SY is low, otherwise it wouldn't be Objective 1.

Well if it's disposable income you're after, Sheffield Hallam ranks 2nd in the entire country (see link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3025321.stm )

Why are we all so eager to refute the facts when Sheffield finally enjoys some good press coverage?

For the record, BBC and other sources often refer to the survey as showing it to be the "wealthiest place" outside of London and the South East, so does that make them guilty of "shoddy journalism"?

Originally posted by t020
Hallam *consituency*.


Well...whatever, but how does it matter and to whom does it matter ?

It's just a statistic.

As I've said at least 3 times, it is some good press for Sheffield for a change.

Originally posted by t020
As I've said at least 3 times, it is some good press for Sheffield for a change.

I wasn't aware that Sheffield gets a particularly poor press image.

And I'm certainly not sure that having a surfeit of fat cats will improve it...but no doubt you're more in touch with this kind of thing than I am. :D