im really annoyed !!! why cant parents take control of their children and see what they are doing is wrong and illegal.just been to visit my parents and i took the dog for a walk the garages have been vandalised yet again with tags,youths all over the woods drinking and smoking.1 child told me ****off and stop staring the parents must no what these youths are doing why dont they stop them from damaging propety and been so rude and vulgar or am i just another moaning git ?

Depends if their parents answer (don't blame me for the conduct of my children) or if other local people answer!

Where were you?

Depends if their parents answer (don't blame me for the conduct of my children) or if other local people answer!

Where were you?
gleadless the parents are aware of the graffiti but cant be doing anything as this is fresh writing

gleadless the parents are aware of the graffiti but cant be doing anything as this is fresh writing
think known as s14 cru and the names that are always their are ads,ste,ricky dont no if you are aware of ny of this it really gets my back up

How can the parents be unaware? They've only got to LOOK, fer goodness sake! Personally, I'd deal thoroughly with my child for it, starting with standing by while they cleaned it off with a bucket and scrubbing brush.

How hard can that be? :loopy:

Or is that the parents of these children just stand by wringing their hands, lamenting, you don't understand?

here we go again gleadless and youths !!!! does other areas not have this kind of behavoir ? or is it just our estate that full of whinging fools

here we go again gleadless and youths !!!! does other areas not have this kind of behavoir ? or is it just our estate that full of whinging fools

Ah. So you're effectively saying that anyone who complains about taggers defacing bus shelters etc are erm, 'whinging fools'?

So, are you saying that it's ok to do that?

I'm sure that other estates DO have lowlife that do it. However, it seems that we're talking about Gleadless, yet again. So, as I asked earlier, are you saying that it's ok for 'youths' on Gleadless to do it? Or do you agree that their parents should escort them, complete with a bucket and scrubbing brush, to remove their offensive 'tagging'?

If you don't think that the parents should do it, then I suggest that you're saying that it's ok for the kids to do it. It's one of those 'you're either with us or against us' moments! :)

Ah. So you're effectively saying that anyone who complains about taggers defacing bus shelters etc are erm, 'whinging fools'?

So, are you saying that it's ok to do that?

I'm sure that other estates DO have lowlife that do it. However, it seems that we're talking about Gleadless, yet again. So, as I asked earlier, are you saying that it's ok for 'youths' on Gleadless to do it? Or do you agree that their parents should escort them, complete with a bucket and scrubbing brush, to remove their offensive 'tagging'?

If you don't think that the parents should do it, then I suggest that you're saying that it's ok for the kids to do it. It's one of those 'you're either with us or against us' moments! :)
no i dont agree with it and never i stated i did.also i have seen parents escort their children and make them clean it up.im just stating it always gleadless

look if you are that bothered report it as im sick of hearing bout it n you had no right putting their names on here.If anyone else wants a pop bring it on:rant: :rant:

look if you are that bothered report it as im sick of hearing bout it n you had no right putting their names on here.If anyone else wants a pop bring it on:rant: :rant:
dont let it get to you!!! their not our kids leave them to whinge got nothing better to do

look if you are that bothered report it as im sick of hearing bout it n you had no right putting their names on here.If anyone else wants a pop bring it on:rant: :rant:

minnime - no-one has given ANY names on here. If you recognise any of the nicknames (tagger's names) and you know the parents, then it'd be great if you could organise them to get the tagging cleaned off!

Thanks! :thumbsup:

it gets me mad cuz all you here is s14 cru this n s14 cru that if they are that bothered should go and see parents face to face:rant:

minnime - no-one has given ANY names on here. If you recognise any of the nicknames (tagger's names) and you know the parents, then it'd be great if you could organise them to get the tagging cleaned off!

Thanks! :thumbsup:
as stated no end on these threads the youths resposiable are not local.its very annoying when your estate is been brought down all the time our kids suffer enough because of these youths im dammned if going to sit here and let them look how some are painting them.al22 sholu state facts that these are not local

it gets me mad cuz all you here is s14 cru this n s14 cru that if they are that bothered should go and see parents face to face:rant:

What difference would that make?

And besides, I'm not interested in having a confrontation with the parents! My only gripe is the tagging that gets left over local council property. All I want is that a) it doesn't happen and b) if it does, the parents get it cleaned off.

Why is that so wrong?

How can the parents be unaware? They've only got to LOOK, fer goodness sake! Personally, I'd deal thoroughly with my child for it, starting with standing by while they cleaned it off with a bucket and scrubbing brush.

How hard can that be? :loopy:

Or is that the parents of these children just stand by wringing their hands, lamenting, you don't understand?

:rant: DO you know ,i can not get my head around you ,i've never listen to someone go on like you do ,owe and yes that thinks they know it all,owe and i forgot that thinks they are so PER'FECT AND ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE.

yes it is wrong kids writting there names every where ,but you ,you have never done no wrong in your life to here you talk , your kids if you have any most have been so per'fect ,god it most be like a prison camp in your house
as you are just so so PER'FECT ,always do everything by the book.:mad:
only thing you need mate is to be:gag:

wise up as though i youth is goin to clean it off it a crime and should get done for it and that was meant for al22 always on here slating them:)

also you can be best parent on earth but once they out of your sight wat then:)

wise up as though i youth is goin to clean it off

I guess that depends on the parents! If a parent knows that their child has done it (that's the thing about taggers, they 'tag' so everyone can know it was them) then it'd be nice if the parent showed the child that tagging isn't nice, and made them clean it off.

THAT would show the world that the parent didn't approve of what the child had done, and the child would know too.

If the parent lets the child get away with it, the child will feel that the parent approves of his actions.

The unruly kids syndrome happens everywhere. I pointed out on another thread that at 2am this morning as we went shopping to Tesco (I know, don't ask) there was a gang of kids on the shops at Southey Green sat on the kerbside drinking. Even driving along Southey Green Road there were kids still out mucking about.

The unruly kids syndrome happens everywhere. I pointed out on another thread that at 2am this morning as we went shopping to Tesco (I know, don't ask) there was a gang of kids on the shops at Southey Green sat on the kerbside drinking. Even driving along Southey Green Road there were kids still out mucking about.

:o NO that can't be true didsy,as this per'fect lot always say it's always kids from gleadless that do everything wrong:confused:

thats all you here on here and if it int one thing its another:)

:bigsmile: ups sorry i spelled your name wrong:love:

:o NO that can't be true didsy,as this per'fect lot always say it's always kids from gleadless that do everything wrong:confused:

I can certainly vouch for what I saw last night even madowl had saw some of them:VV

could be the same mob i very very very politley :D asked to move away at 1:30 this morning.... 1 lad had a golf club.... ( how could he see where his ball went??):hihi:

:bigsmile: ups sorry i spelled your name wrong:love:

I'll forgive ya.......but only cos it's you :D

where was this dibsy:)

where was this dibsy:)

S5 hun. :)

:o NO that can't be true didsy,as this per'fect lot always say it's always kids from gleadless that do everything wrong:confused:

Ok, 'valley mob' - what EXACTLY do you mean by 'this per'fect lot'? I'm not 'always saying' 'it's kids from gleadless'.

All I'm saying is that some tagger has written 'S14' all over the bus shelter and light bollard at the top of Blackstock Road.

Are you saying that it's 'kids from Gleadless' that did it? If you are, it'd be good if they could remove it, thank you. If it's not, then it'd still be good if they could remove it.

What's that got to do with being 'per'fect'? :huh:

The thing is, ...ok. i live in a small place but there are tons of kids here ranging from new born to adulthood and gangs of teens hang around in bunches but they never tag things or get lippy. Is it the area?
For instance, a few weeks ago 6 young uns were sitting on the wall at the top of my front garden and as they were chatting one of them started pulling the heads off of some of my poppies. One of the other kids told him to pack it in.
Theres no trouble of any kind here, but when I lived on Wordsworth there was always trouble with kids, every night and all day.

I'm just glad that I don't live on the 'Valley, just drive through it sometimes! :)

It's not just the kids imo, it's the parents. There's some kind of mindset that says: don't blame me, what can I do?

:rant:

I'm just glad that I don't live on the 'Valley, just drive through it sometimes! :)

It's not just the kids imo, it's the parents. There's some kind of mindset that says: don't blame me, what can I do?

:rant:

A lot of the time it is the parents to blame as some of them just don't give a damn as to where their kids are or what they're doing.
I mean what sort of parent lets their kids roam the streets at 2am!

who said owt over dont blame parents so get your facts right and im glad you dont live on the valley:rant:

A lot of the time it is the parents to blame as some of them just don't give a damn as to where their kids are or what they're doing.
I mean what sort of parent lets their kids roam the streets at 2am!
those parents of the kids you saw at 2.00 am:hihi: :hihi:

I'll forgive ya.......but only cos it's you :D

:bigsmile: thanks nice to know there is some nice people on here:love:

those parents of the kids you saw at 2.00 am:hihi: :hihi:

Dead right and some of them only looked really young too. :loopy:

:bigsmile: thanks nice to know there is some nice people on here:love:


You're welcome :smile:

Dead right and some of them only looked really young too. :loopy:
A slap would do em good.


Yeahhhhh

at it again jabber over slapin n they probably already ad one:thumbsup:

snippy - Is it the area? Theres no trouble of any kind here, but when I lived on Wordsworth there was always trouble with kids, every night and all day.

By area, do you mean Gleadless or Sheffield generally? I think you only have to consider this thread and the responses and the other responses that certain people have posted on other similar topics elsewhere to see where the problem lies. Not only in Gleadless Valley but everywhere else that the mindset reigns supreme. If the adults think like this, what chance do the children have of becoming socially responsible?

I used to drive over into Cheshire often and I was always impressed by the cleanliness of the small towns en route. You don't realise how depressing certain areas of Sheffield are until you go to places where people have some idea of how to be considerate of others and value and care for the place where they live.

A slap would do em good.


Yeahhhhh

If only!........It never hurt us when we were kids and we certainly knew right from wrong.

There is no punishment, they get a slap on the wrist if caught and get told to go away and basically given the ok to misbehave again.

at it again jabber over slapin n they probably already ad one:thumbsup:
I cant stop babbling on about slapping!

I think I need a slap or something!

A slap would do em good.


Yeahhhhh
tie them up burn their hands so cant tag again.then tag their faces with non removable paint then start on the parents vandalise their house car and everything they own wouldnt that be better

By area, do you mean Gleadless or Sheffield generally? I think you only have to consider this thread and the responses and the other responses that certain people have posted on other similar topics elsewhere to see where the problem lies. Not only in Gleadless Valley but everywhere else that the mindset reigns supreme. If the adults think like this, what chance do the children have of becoming socially responsible?

I used to drive over into Cheshire often and I was always impressed by the cleanliness of the small towns en route. You don't realise how depressing certain areas of Sheffield are until you go to places where people have some idea of how to be considerate of others and value and care for the place where they live.
I meant big cities, Leicester is the same as Sheffield, theres kid probs there even though they have more resources to hand than the kids do here in the wilds.
We have as many kids here and bugger all for them to do, yet theyre nice polite kids.

tie them up burn their hands so cant tag again.then tag their faces with non removable paint then start on the parents vandalise their house car and everything they own wouldnt that be better
I think Im falling in love with you.
Marry me you minx!

tie them up burn their hands so cant tag again.then tag their faces with non removable paint then start on the parents vandalise their house car and everything they own wouldnt that be better
oops forgot that is a joke by the way ! i think slapping encourages violence

tie them up burn their hands so cant tag again.then tag their faces with non removable paint then start on the parents vandalise their house car and everything they own wouldnt that be better


I'm sure the parents wouldn't mind taking control if that happened, spot on with the idea. :thumbsup:

Let's not get too far away from the OP - it WAS about taggers on Gleadless Valley. And we seem to have had some responses from people who apparently have inside knowledge of taggers in the area.

The fact that other cities also have problems with lowlife youths doesn't take away the fact that this is the SHEFFIELD forum, and that there are kids in SHEFFIELD who are tagging, and that apparently people on this thread know who they are.

Stop defending your kids - or your own actions - by saying that hey, it happens in other cities too! Just bleedin' get a grip of your own, and sort them out. :rant:

Let's not get too far away from the OP - it WAS about taggers on Gleadless Valley. And we seem to have had some responses from people who apparently have inside knowledge of taggers in the area.

The fact that other cities also have problems with lowlife youths doesn't take away the fact that this is the SHEFFIELD forum, and that there are kids in SHEFFIELD who are tagging, and that apparently people on this thread know who they are.

Stop defending your kids - or your own actions - by saying that hey, it happens in other cities too! Just bleedin' get a grip of your own, and sort them out. :rant:

Who knows em cos I certainly don't?

Who knows em cos I certainly don't?

Nor I. It just seemed to me that there were some posts on this thread that indicated that there was something personal being taken by the complaints about the taggers.....................

So.........is there anyone who knows anything about the taggers who have been tagging on Blackstock Road?

[QUOTE=SHsheff]Nor I. It just seemed to me that there were some posts on this thread that indicated that there was something personal being taken by the complaints about the taggers.....................
QUOTE]

There are posters who ALWAYS take it personally when you even mention responsible parenting. The way reasonable talk about anti-social crime actually prompts the inverted snobbery, hatred, bigotry, aggression and defensiveness, does sort of prove the point. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Ok, 'valley mob' - what EXACTLY do you mean by 'this per'fect lot'? I'm not 'always saying' 'it's kids from gleadless'.

All I'm saying is that some tagger has written 'S14' all over the bus shelter and light bollard at the top of Blackstock Road.

Are you saying that it's 'kids from Gleadless' that did it? If you are, it'd be good if they could remove it, thank you. If it's not, then it'd still be good if they could remove it.

What's that got to do with being 'per'fect'? :huh:

:confused: do you not know what the word per'fect means?
You are always rantting on about the youths on gleadless
I love to hear you moan and groan about the kids up gleadless
why is it so different were you live?
Do you realise it's 2006 now not 19'0 'blob.

:confused: do you not know what the word per'fect means?
You are always rantting on about the youths on gleadless
I love to hear you moan and groan about the kids up gleadless
why is it so different were you live?
Do you realise it's 2006 now not 19'0 'blob.

'per'fect'? I guess it means 'perfect', in which case, I don't know why you're saying it to me! All I did was complain that some lowlife has tagged on the local bus stop and light bollard. That's nothing at all to do with me being perfect or not. It's not like it's an accident that means that someone has accidently tagged, is it? Or are you saying that it's a slip of the spray gun which could have happened to anyone?:loopy:

And, the whole point is that IT IS WHERE I LIVE!!!! That's why I'm complaining that some lowlife is tagging around the area!

'per'fect'? I guess it means 'perfect', in which case, I don't know why you're saying it to me! All I did was complain that some lowlife has tagged on the local bus stop and light bollard. That's nothing at all to do with me being perfect or not. It's not like it's an accident that means that someone has accidently tagged, is it? Or are you saying that it's a slip of the spray gun which could have happened to anyone?:loopy:

And, the whole point is that IT IS WHERE I LIVE!!!! That's why I'm complaining that some lowlife is tagging around the area!

:confused: you said you don't live on here
But now you are saying you do:huh:

:confused: you said you don't live on here
But now you are saying you do:huh:

Erm.... I live near the watertower. It says that in my sig. That means that the taggers are tagging in the area in which I live. That's not difficult to work out, is it?

And 'sides, does it matter exactly where someone lives? We all live in Sheffield, and we all have a right to not have common property defaced. If you (the taggers, not saying that you yourself do it) want to spray stuff, why not do it on your own front doors? Why do it on council property?

Let's not get too far away from the OP - it WAS about taggers on Gleadless Valley. And we seem to have had some responses from people who apparently have inside knowledge of taggers in the area.

The fact that other cities also have problems with lowlife youths doesn't take away the fact that this is the SHEFFIELD forum, and that there are kids in SHEFFIELD who are tagging, and that apparently people on this thread know who they are.

Stop defending your kids - or your own actions - by saying that hey, it happens in other cities too! Just bleedin' get a grip of your own, and sort them out. :rant:
yes SHEFFIELD not just gleadless.that is the point we are making

Stop defending your kids - or your own actions - by saying that hey, it happens in other cities too! Just bleedin' get a grip of your own, and sort them out.also not our kids !! please get that right our area yes our children no

yes SHEFFIELD not just gleadless.that is the point we are making

But it's Gleadless in which the taggers (this time) are being complained about! The fact that it might or might not happen in other areas is quite beside the point - the point of this thread is that there has been tagging in Gleadless in the last few days, and apparently people who might know who did it are saying that it's ok to do it, as it happens in other areas too! :suspect:

The point is - if you know who has done it, can you arrange for it to be removed please, and not happen again? :)

lol knew it wunt be long for her to pop up watch it wont be long before josey is here. nobody on here said owt bout personal involment that just you sheff asuming again:rant: :hihi:

If graffiti is so good and everybody must see it then why don't the 'artists' do their own property?

lol knew it wunt be long for her to pop up watch it wont be long before josey is here. nobody on here said owt bout personal involment that just you sheff asuming again:rant: :hihi:

Hey minnime, if no-one on here is anything to do with the taggers, then that's fine! It just seemed to me that there were certain people on here who seemed to be defending them - if they're nothing to do with anyone on here, then why defend them?

I don't assume anything. All I was doing was complaining that the taggers have been out.

report them then if it getting to you:o

Erm.... I live near the watertower. It says that in my sig. That means that the taggers are tagging in the area in which I live. That's not difficult to work out, is it?

And 'sides, does it matter exactly where someone lives? We all live in Sheffield, and we all have a right to not have common property defaced. If you (the taggers, not saying that you yourself do it) want to spray stuff, why not do it on your own front doors? Why do it on council property?

:o I'am so sorry i didn't follow (what you have put in your sign),but alot of people put down places that they don't live.
you know what to do then,drive down woodseats,:o do you know you should keep your eye's on the road.
P.S bus stops are for bus, not for noesy drivers :hihi:

people on here should watch what they are sayin as the kids parents could be reading this and wont be too happy:)

P.S bus stops are for bus, not for noesy drivers :hihi:

I'm sick of the one outside our house forever having to be repaired and broken glass being everywhere.

people on here should watch what they are sayin as the kids parents could be reading this and wont be too happy:)

So you're now saying that people on here shouldn't say that the parents of the lowlife who tag should control their children? Why not? Or are you saying something different?

people on here should watch what they are sayin as the kids parents could be reading this and wont be too happy:)

It might be good if they did read this hun :)

they are not lowlife kids who are that are muggin and robbing people stealin cars n that so what gives you the right to sit there n call um that

P.S bus stops are for bus, not for noesy drivers :hihi:

So are you trying to say that it's ok to tag on bus-stops, but not if people who walk past notice it? On their way to the bus-stop, perhaps?

Geeez! I wish you people would get your story straight.

It's clear as anything that you're in some way involved - all that talk about 'the parents won't be happy if they hear what you're saying' and 'you shouldn't look at the bus-stops then' (I paraphrase).

Why keep defending the actions?

I'm sick of the one outside our house forever having to be repaired and broken glass being everywhere.

:) yes dibsy ,but people should keep there eye's on the road when driving this is why people have crashers,cos there eye's are looking some where else:love:

they are not lowlife kids who are that are muggin and robbing people stealin cars n that so what gives you the right to sit there n call um that

They're lowlife because they're tagging.

Or are you saying that tagging is not the act of lowlife? NOW we're getting somewhere. Into a dialogue with someone who seems to have some involvement with it all.

no your not i just wont stand by n let you call them that as you got no right:o

:) yes dibsy ,but people should keep there eye's on the road when driving this is why people have crashers,cos there eye's are looking some where else:love:

I know what exactly what you mean but this one is only outside next doors house thus me having to walk past it to get to the parking bay to our car.

no your not i just wont stand by n let you call them that as you got no right:o

So...........if they're not 'lowlife' - how would YOU describe them?

no your not i just wont stand by n let you call them that as you got no right:o

Do you concede that we might have the right to call criminals 'criminals', or is that somehow victimising the poor dears?

So...........if they're not 'lowlife' - how would YOU describe them?mindless yobs with nothing better to do....
"kids.... just like their parents..... but smaller"

dont be so clever yes they might be criminals but aint lowlife:o

dont be so clever yes they might be criminals but aint lowlife:o

AHAH!!! So we now have an acknowledgement that tagging is a criminal act! Thank you.

So now all we have to do is to determine in what way being a criminal is different to being a lowlife! That shouldn't be so hard now... :)

dont be so clever yes they might be criminals but aint lowlife:o
Ive 4 kids... if my kids got caught doing somethin wrong... id want to know.
too many just dont care.... the gits we have walkin round here (PX) at 2-3-4 in the morning..... some look as young as 12 years, where are their parents?? do they know they are out at that time??? do they care??? to me the parents are the lowlife and the kids are mini-criminals...

dont be so clever yes they might be criminals but aint lowlife:o

:o i say minnime there all coming in now ,even that posh one from parson cross:hihi:

AHAH!!! So we now have an acknowledgement that tagging is a criminal act! Thank you.

So now all we have to do is to determine in what way being a criminal is different to being a lowlife! That shouldn't be so hard now... :)
i think you have took this out of proportion sheff.we didnt say it was ok to tag we simply stated it only the gleadless people that moan over it.i agree it wrong but no need to pull estate down its our home

trouble is round here it always s14 cru who get blamed if the world ended tonight it would be down to them in some peoples eyes:o

Ive 4 kids... if my kids got caught doing somethin wrong... id want to know.
too many just dont care.... the gits we have walkin round here (PX) at 2-3-4 in the morning..... some look as young as 12 years, where are their parents?? do they know they are out at that time??? do they care??? to me the parents are the lowlife and the kids are mini-criminals...

Thank you madowl - as a fellow parent, WE do take responsibility for our kids. And no-one can accuse you of not knowing what it's like living on an estate, yet you still manage to take control of your kids.

It's a shame everyone isn't like you.

Ive 4 kids... if my kids got caught doing somethin wrong... id want to know.
too many just dont care.... the gits we have walkin round here (PX) at 2-3-4 in the morning..... some look as young as 12 years, where are their parents?? do they know they are out at that time??? do they care??? to me the parents are the lowlife and the kids are mini-criminals...

I have to agree with you madowl on this one, I'm in the same area as you and with what I saw on the streets at 2am this morning, I'd go ballistic if that was one of mine.

Fortunately I know where my kids are and what they're doing. If they ever do wrong to anyone or anything then I want to know about it and they would be punished appropriately.

Thank you madowl - as a fellow parent, WE do take responsibility for our kids. And no-one can accuse you of not knowing what it's like living on an estate, yet you still manage to take control of your kids.

It's a shame everyone isn't like you.
i take control of mine thank you very much i just get fed up of pig ignorant people who dont live round here pulling us and our kids down

:o i say minnime there all coming in now ,even that posh one from parson cross:hihi:

Who's posh...cos it certainly ain't me? :confused:

i think you have took this out of proportion sheff.we didnt say it was ok to tag we simply stated it only the gleadless people that moan over it.i agree it wrong but no need to pull estate down its our home

I'm not pulling the estate down - I live near it, after all. All I said was that there IS tagging saying S14 on property in this area.

I'm hardly going to comment on tagging in other areas, am I? It's because it's on my way home that I notice it, and because it affects the area in which I live. It's not my fault that lowlife in the local area choose to tag, is it? Or are you saying that I should ignore it and feel sorry for the people who do it? If you happen to know the people who do it, maybe you can suggest that they stop doing it, because it keeps getting mentioned on the forum and you don't like the way it reflects badly on the estate.

That's the best solution.

i take control of mine thank you very much i just get fed up of pig ignorant people who dont live round here pulling us and our kids down

.....and I'm sure your kids aren't part of the gangs that go around vandalising any part of Sheffield hun.

I can see what SH is meaning, if something happened in our area then I would seriously rant about it which I have done before just like he is doing now.

It's not putting down your estate as it happens everywhere, it just happens to be he's the one living near to where it's happened.

i take control of mine thank you very much i just get fed up of pig ignorant people who dont live round here pulling us and our kids down

I didn't mention your kids, original. I was talking about the lowlife taggers who are defacing property around here. Are you saying that they're your kids? I certainly didn't!

I know the area where SH lives a little because my son used to go to Oakes Park school there and its a lovely area, its a shame it has to be ruined by graffiti.

dont be so clever yes they might be criminals but aint lowlife:o


That's the crux of it, really. Some people defend poor misunderstood criminals, while the worst crime of all, the absolute nadir of human existence in their eyes, is intelligence. What chance do kids have while growing up being saturated in such a culture?

BTW: Please refer to my previous post about inverted snobbery and defensive bigotry, then compare to valley mob's accusation that madowl is 'posh'. I rest my case. :rolleyes:

.....and I'm sure your kids aren't part of the gangs that go around vandalising any part of Sheffield hun.

I can see what SH is meaning, if something happened in our area then I would seriously rant about it which I have done before just like he is doing now.

It's not putting down your estate as it happens everywhere, it just happens to be he's the one living near to where it's happened.

I know he is not slagging gleadless off,but what us lot are trying to say is every time anything goe's of it's always the gleadless kids who get slagged off
as for the posh bit it was a joke cos of how he came in .
as it's late please everyone :cool: of it's the weekend:love:

I used to live on spring close view at gleadless.

God knows why i mentioned that.

I know he is not slagging gleadless off,but what us lot are trying to say is every time anything goe's of it's always the gleadless kids who get slagged off
as for the posh bit it was a joke cos of how he came in .
as it's late please everyone :cool: of it's the weekend:love:

I can fully understand what you're saying honestly I do.

I also agree with you saying for people to chill out, I think we've all had our say and got our individual points across.

It just needs us as responsible parents to keep our kids in check, my lad even at 21 and over 6 foot (who towers over me BTW) is never too big to be kept in check.

That's the crux of it, really. Some people defend poor misunderstood criminals, while the worst crime of all, the absolute nadir of human existence in their eyes, is intelligence. What chance do kids have while growing up being saturated in such a culture?

BTW: Please refer to my previous post about inverted snobbery and defensive bigotry, then compare to valley mob's accusation that madowl is 'posh'. I rest my case. :rolleyes:

minnime still hasn't told us the difference between lowlife and criminals.

I used to live on spring close view at gleadless.



Yeah! And look how you turned out! :hihi:

Yeah! And look how you turned out! :hihi:
I was there for a year! I actually added class to the area...

after i moved out...

after i moved out...

Yeah I bet you were run out of that area :P

I can fully understand what you're saying honestly I do.

I also agree with you saying for people to chill out, I think we've all had our say and got our individual points across.

It just needs us as responsible parents to keep our kids in check, my lad even at 21 and over 6 foot (who towers over me BTW) is never too big to be kept in check.

:) I can not agree with you more ,but if your like me i'am 5"3 and my son is over 6 foot ,believe me i have had to bring all my netball skills in as a goal shotter to jump and get the write place :hihi: :hihi:

:) I can not agree with you more ,but if your like me i'am 5"3 and my son is over 6 foot ,believe me i have had to bring all my netball skills in as a goal shotter to jump and get the write place :hihi: :hihi:

PMSL.......ditto hun............plus I have a vicious tongue that I regularly use if need be. :hihi:

PMSL.......ditto hun............plus I have a vicious tongue that I regularly use if need be. :hihi:

see we are all alike i'am going now so goodnite one and all :love:

see we are all alike i'am going now so goodnite one and all :love:

Night vm :wave:

The low life kids exist because of the low life parents that brought them into the world. Some people should not be allowed to reproduce, simple.

Sheffield Council have ruined the estates by letting problem familys live all over, stick em all on one purpose built estate, put plenty of barbed wire around it and keep them away from the decent folks.

There are posters who ALWAYS take it personally when you even mention responsible parenting. The way reasonable talk about anti-social crime actually prompts the inverted snobbery, hatred, bigotry, aggression and defensiveness, does sort of prove the point. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I have to agree with you purdyamos. I read this thread last night, but got so fed up with the responses from some posters, that I waited til this morning to respond.

If there are lots of complaints about youth behaviour, vandalism, graffiti in a specific area, its usually because its happening there. If its happening there, its usually down to people who live there, and if its kids, its usually down to their parents not being in control. Every time someone complains about something bad in the Gleadless area there are these negative responses from the same few forummers. Rather than just say 'why blame us', or 'you're always getting at us', perhaps the people who get defensive should do something positive to improve things where they live.

A shining example of community involvement was the Middlewood Winners festival yesterday. That's an estate that is always being run down, and has had a poor reputation and its share of problems. A group of concerned and responsible parents have taken a positive stance to try and work with people on the estate to improve the quality of life for everyone - and it appears to be working.

The unruly kids syndrome happens everywhere. I pointed out on another thread that at 2am this morning as we went shopping to Tesco (I know, don't ask) there was a gang of kids on the shops at Southey Green sat on the kerbside drinking. Even driving along Southey Green Road there were kids still out mucking about.



bet them kids at southey were from gleadless on the rob:hihi:

i think what he / she means is simple discipline. it all went wrong when the government officially said you are not allowed to smack children. a good beaten never did me any wrong from my parents. its logically quite simple. kids today compared with kids 20 / 30 years ago are more likely to go off the rails a lot easier. also before i get loads of you talking nspcc crap, i know the difference between between a smack on the wrists and abuse. another thing a sick way of looking at it, i would rather do 5 years prison myself for beating discipline into my kid than my kid doing 10 years for armed robbery. ..

bet them kids at southey were from gleadless on the rob:hihi:
tell us when to laugh:o

people on here should watch what they are sayin as the kids parents could be reading this and wont be too happy:)

Yeah, is that why you are so unhappy reading this thread? If so, you should get your kids to clean up after themselves! ;)

Seriously though, how can you defend these criminal vandals? Some of us who live on Gleadless have to suffer because of their anti-social behaviour.

also you can be best parent on earth but once they out of your sight wat then:)


Simple. If you can't trust your children to behave, then don't let them roam the streets. :rolleyes:

(Translation: If u kant trust ur kidz to Bhav den dont let dem rom da streetz. Innit.)

Simple. If you can't trust your children to behave, then don't let them roam the streets. :rolleyes:

(Translation: If u kant trust ur kidz to Bhav den dont let dem rom da streetz. Innit.)

:wow: arn't ya a clever person ya can write in text too.:clap: :clap:

Why do people write like that. We are not all from the streets. Also i tend to keep the streets to the streets and not bring the streets to mainstream public as I was educated at a English GCSE (B) standard.
By the way i am from Pitsmoor and very black.

:wow: arn't ya a clever person ya can write in text too.:clap: :clap:

You've just proved what I said earlier - being 'clever' is the worst crime going in your distorted culture. I bet you have taught your kids to be anything except intelligent. Being good at school, achieving at anything, even something simple like expressing yourself competently in the english language, are the most evil things a parent, in your book, can do. Which is probably why kids with parents who teach your values end up criminal lowlife. It's the only thing they've been taught to aspire to.

tell us when to laugh:o
dont laugh, it wouldnt suit you.

dont be so clever yes they might be criminals but aint lowlife:o

Gets my vote for most hilarious and ironical post of the year... innit?

PT

Gets my vote for most hilarious and ironical post of the year... innit?

PT

Made me smile too! Though I'm still hoping that minnime will answer my earlier question and tell us what the difference is, and why (this is the bit that really intrigues me) criminals aren't lowlife, 'just' criminals, and why lowlife are apparently worse than criminals (but not criminals).... :huh:

dont laugh, it wouldnt suit you.
oh yes it does but not at people who think they clever:)

Made me smile too! Though I'm still hoping that minnime will answer my earlier question and tell us what the difference is, and why (this is the bit that really intrigues me) criminals aren't lowlife, 'just' criminals, and why lowlife are apparently worse than criminals (but not criminals).... :huh:

SH - I think this needs an answer as well - minnime, are you being serious? I've just looked up low life in the dictionary and the definition is:1.degenerate living, life in the criminal underworld, 2. a member of the underworld, and 3. such people collectively. I'm trying to work out why anyone would think differently?

your lot make me sick goin off like they some bigtime criminals all they done is a bit of graffeti n how would like it if it was your kids:rant:

It starts with the little gits, "just" doing "a bit of graffiti", minime, and because no one will stand up to these little gits, they progress to other forms of intimidation, which, because no-one will stand up to the little gits intimidating, they think they can get away with more..

So these little gits grow into bigger and bigger "little Gits", and they start "just" stealing cars, because, guess what?

Yeah, that's right .... no one (not even their parents) will stand up to them.

To that, then, progresses on to... and then that escalates on to....

and so on. can you not see the slippery slope here?

You've just proved what I said earlier - being 'clever' is the worst crime going in your distorted culture. I bet you have taught your kids to be anything except intelligent. Being good at school, achieving at anything, even something simple like expressing yourself competently in the english language, are the most evil things a parent, in your book, can do. Which is probably why kids with parents who teach your values end up criminal lowlife. It's the only thing they've been taught to aspire to.

:lol: yes hun my kids are just (so smart and!!!!!PER'FECT!!!!!!!!)that is were your just so wrong.
my son has just got A+B IN HIS GCSE CLEVER BOY
my daughter is only 7 but top marks all the time 35% top of her year.
so as i have said ,so many many times my love , don't judge people that you don't know.:love:

:lol: yes hun my kids are just (so smart and!!!!!PER'FECT!!!!!!!!)that is were your just so wrong.
my son has just got A+B IN HIS GCSE CLEVER BOY
my daughter is only 7 but top marks all the time 35% top of her year.
so as i have said ,so many many times my love , don't judge people that you don't know.:love:
yes same here my son just got 5 a,s he now going college to do degree in medicine. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

all they done is a bit of graffeti n how would like it if it was your kids:rant:

Our kids don't vandalise property, because we have taught them to respect other people and other people's property, and also they don't roam the streets causing trouble. However, if we did find out that they were doing graffiti then they would be forced to clean it up and they would be very sorry for doing it.

Simple. If you can't trust your children to behave, then don't let them roam the streets. :rolleyes:

(Translation: If u kant trust ur kidz to Bhav den dont let dem rom da streetz. Innit.)


Excellent. Give yourself a gold star. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hihi:

your lot make me sick goin off like they some bigtime criminals all they done is a bit of graffeti n how would like it if it was your kids:rant:
dont wasteyour breath these forumers need to get out and talk to some of the youths phraps then they wouldnt judge everyone.people in glass houses :loopy: :loopy:

dont wasteyour breath these forumers need to get out and talk to some of the youths phraps then they wouldnt judge everyone.people in glass houses :loopy: :loopy:

Of course people are able to judge others by their actions. Anti-social scrotes who think its OK to blight areas with their idiotic tagging and their slacker parents who let them get away with it. Judged. Guilty!

Of course people are able to judge others by their actions. Anti-social scrotes who think its OK to blight areas with their idiotic tagging and their slacker parents who let them get away with it. Judged. Guilty!
how would you feel if it was your kid:)

Of course people are able to judge others by their actions. Anti-social scrotes who think its OK to blight areas with their idiotic tagging and their slacker parents who let them get away with it. Judged. Guilty!
shut up and leave her alone just because she cant express things propely.making out her child a moron tagger etc get a life sad **** and stop pulling people down

thanx:) :) :)

how would you feel if it was your kid:)

Guilty obviously.
And then most parents would do something about it, if they'd ever let it get that bad in the first place.

How do you manage to let a child grow up believing that they can grafitti things though, do you have to just ignore them, or does it take active encouragement to be anti social scum?

dont wasteyour breath these forumers need to get out and talk to some of the youths phraps then they wouldnt judge everyone.people in glass houses :loopy: :loopy:

so we should go and talk to the kids on the mean streets of sheffield, and we cant judge people for commiting criminal offences? what an unsuprising post from someone who has written in previous threads that she supervises her children illegally riding mini motorbikes on public land. there is not a sliding scale of criminality, a crime is a crime

It starts with the little gits, "just" doing "a bit of graffiti", minime, and because no one will stand up to these little gits, they progress to other forms of intimidation, which, because no-one will stand up to the little gits intimidating, they think they can get away with more..

So these little gits grow into bigger and bigger "little Gits", and they start "just" stealing cars, because, guess what?

Yeah, that's right .... no one (not even their parents) will stand up to them.

To that, then, progresses on to... and then that escalates on to....

and so on. can you not see the slippery slope here?
wright now my daughter has been bathed and in bed
:rant: DO you know i've just had as much as i can read from said :twisted: :evil: gets like you ,you have just with what you have said showed everyone that you are what i , other people think ,sad ,all month,know it all.
Is it any wounder these kids grow up like they do when there up against society like you ,don't blame the parents all the time, it's people like you that make them that way.

so stop putting your :twisted: words on your pc and get your head out of your arses (you have had that said to you many times)

go out and get to know these kids because YES you may just get a shock
as they are not gits like you say ,many of them are greet kids .
how do i know this because i work with these kids
if you so what half of these kids have been though in there short life you
would understand.

so please change the record cos i'am tied of the same old story all the time.

going out and getting a life would be a great start (THANK YOU):mad:

wright now my daughter has been bathed and in bed
:rant: DO you know i've just had as much as i can read from said :twisted: :evil: gets like you ,you have just with what you have said showed everyone that you are what i , other people think ,sad ,all month,know it all.
Is it any wounder these kids grow up like they do when there up against society like you ,don't blame the parents all the time, it's people like you that make them that way.

so stop putting your :twisted: words on your pc and get your head out of your arses (you have had that said to you many times)

go out and get to know these kids because YES you may just get a shock
as they are not gits like you say ,many of them are greet kids .
how do i know this because i work with these kids
if you so what half of these kids have been though in there short life you
would understand.

so please change the record cos i'am tied of the same old story all the time.

going out and getting a life would be a great start (THANK YOU):mad:

Which brings us back to what a lot of people have already said .... "It is the parents, or other adults, responsible for the upbringing of these kids who are the ones who have allowed this situation to happen. Not society, not the schools, not the grumpy neighbours, but the ones who have the power to say what these kids can and can't do, what's right and what's wrong, the parents".

I am a parent of three teenagers, living on a council estate, and I am not one bit offended by people's verbal attacks on the behaviour of some of today's youth and their parents. Why should I be? It's not me or my kids they are refering to. In fact, I have little patience or sympathy for those at whom these comments are aimed.

My theory is that if the cap fits, wear it. If it is so close to home that these remarks are taken personally, then surely there is an awareness, and in turn the responsibility to do something about it.

Most of society isn't guilty of this yobbish behaviour, so blame definitely can't be laid at society's door.

I didn't know Plain Talker was 'sad, all month.' She always comes across as quite jolly and happy with her lot.

if you so what half of these kids have been though in there short life you
would understand.

And what they have so often been victim of is... dreadful parenting, chaotic homes, abuse or neglect, a general culture of aggression and low expectations, little or no discipline, bad role models, blah blah, which is what most of us have actually been saying all along. Isn't it?

How come it took me all this:

Which brings us back to what a lot of people have already said .... "It is the parents, or other adults, responsible for the upbringing of these kids who are the ones who have allowed this situation to happen. Not society, not the schools, not the grumpy neighbours, but the ones who have the power to say what these kids can and can't do, what's right and what's wrong, the parents".

I am a parent of three teenagers, living on a council estate, and I am not one bit offended by people's verbal attacks on the behaviour of some of today's youth and their parents. Why should I be? It's not me or my kids they are refering to. In fact, I have little patience or sympathy for those at whom these comments are aimed.

My theory is that if the cap fits, wear it. If it is so close to home that these remarks are taken personally, then surely there is an awareness, and in turn the responsibility to do something about it.

Most of society isn't guilty of this yobbish behaviour, so blame definitely can't be laid at society's door.

Just to say this - basically!

And what they have so often been victim of is... dreadful parenting, chaotic homes, abuse or neglect, a general culture of aggression and low expectations, little or no discipline, bad role models, blah blah, which is what most of us have actually been saying all along. Isn't it?

How come it took me all this:
blah .. blah .. blah


Just to say this - basically!
Saxon you're just not as special and articulate as dear purdy - lol :hihi:

Saxon you're just not as special and articulate as dear purdy - lol :hihi:

and I bet s/he paints better as well. :sad: :cry:

Which brings us back to what a lot of people have already said .... "It is the parents, or other adults, responsible for the upbringing of these kids who are the ones who have allowed this situation to happen. Not society, not the schools, not the grumpy neighbours, but the ones who have the power to say what these kids can and can't do, what's right and what's wrong, the parents.

wright if it is not society were doe's it all start from ?
DRUGS=were did they start from?
CHILDREN BEING ABUSE by people?
HARRIFIC ATTACKS ON PEOPLE?
CRIME in all ways?
ect,ect,ect society for many many years.

wright if it is not society were doe's it all start from ?
DRUGS=were did they start from?
CHILDREN BEING ABUSE by people?
HARRIFIC ATTACKS ON PEOPLE?
CRIME in all ways?
ect,ect,ect society for many many years.

You mean the same society that my kids, my sister's kids, my brother's kids, most of the kids on my street etc were brought up in?

Did society turn people bad or did people turn society bad?

Good parents can bring up good children despite society

Did society turn people bad or did people turn society bad?
Society isn't bad. There are just individuals who like to use society as a scapegoat for all their failings. It's the easy option these days.

Society isn't bad. There are just individuals who like to use society as a scapegoat for all their failings. It's the easy option these days.
Well I have to admit that I had a rough bad start on a rough bad area and I turned out ok, i didnt get a criminal record or anything. I know people though who had excellent starts in life who are doing time as we speak.

wright if it is not society were doe's it all start from ?


[QUOTE]DRUGS=were did they start from?

According to you (above), it's all Plain Talker's fault. :huh:


CHILDREN BEING ABUSE by people?

Yes - and the vast majority of abuse happens IN THE HOME by family and trusted familiars.


HARRIFIC ATTACKS ON PEOPLE?

Go google the statistics for 'harrific' attacks on children (or even the murder rate BY PARENTS compared to that by evil strangers.)

CRIME in all ways?


See my resume of 'bad background' above and you get the social profiling of the overwhelming majority of the prison population.

The problem with todays society is a lot of parents wait until their child starts doing wrong & then tells them its wrong by this time they are set in their ways & parents then would rather ignore what they are doing for a peaceful life for themselves.
The only sure way is by teaching a child what is wrong before they even think about doing it. That way if they do the wrong doing they are well aware of the consequences in advance & punishment must be carried out accordingly. E.G. take away their favouite thing for a week. I do assure any doubters I'm talking from experience & it works even on older children.

The problem with todays society is a lot of parents wait until their child starts doing wrong & then tells them its wrong by this time they are set in their ways & parents then would rather ignore what they are doing for a peaceful life for themselves.
The only sure way is by teaching a child what is wrong before they even think about doing it. That way if they do the wrong doing they are well aware of the consequences in advance & punishment must be carried out accordingly. E.G. take away their favouite thing for a week. I do assure any doubters I'm talking from experience & it works even on older children.
If they can be bothered of course. ;)

Could be worse - u could live on the manor! its taken me 2 hours to get my baby boy to sleep tonight because of the off road motor bikes that sound like they are in my back garden! :rant:

Having read this epic thread from start to finish I have decided to add my 2 penneth!

1. There have always been troublesome kids, always throughout time.

2 There have always been grumpy people who complain about kids.

3. There have always been kids who don't exactly have the best start in life.

4. There is always someone who is going to blame the parents.

What about taking a positive approach? If there are kids up to no good then find something for them to do that is positive, kids can achieve all sorts if they are given the right support, maybe a council run project to create an adventure playground, or youth club. The summer holidays can be hell for kids if they have nothing to do.

Could the members of this forum pressure the right folks to make it happen?

I do know that if kids are treated like dirt, they will give it back double, if they are given respect, they will respect. Adults cannot expect kids to behave any differently from them, so if the tagging is a problem for you see what you can do to show the kids a different way instead of just slinging mud!

Having read this epic thread from start to finish I have decided to add my 2 penneth!

1. There have always been troublesome kids, always throughout time.

2 There have always been grumpy people who complain about kids.

3. There have always been kids who don't exactly have the best start in life.

4. There is always someone who is going to blame the parents.

What about taking a positive approach? If there are kids up to no good then find something for them to do that is positive, kids can achieve all sorts if they are given the right support, maybe a council run project to create an adventure playground, or youth club. The summer holidays can be hell for kids if they have nothing to do.

Could the members of this forum pressure the right folks to make it happen?

I do know that if kids are treated like dirt, they will give it back double, if they are given respect, they will respect. Adults cannot expect kids to behave any differently from them, so if the tagging is a problem for you see what you can do to show the kids a different way instead of just slinging mud!

Thereby relieving the parents of the responsibility? And expecting the council tax payer to foot the bill to boot?

Better idea.

Why not clamp down on the adults with parental responsibility for the behaviour of these kids? Why not say, "Hey, you! YOU are about to get a bill for the damage done by YOUR kids!"

DRUGS=were did they start from?

wrong answer?

Quote:
CHILDREN BEING ABUSE by people?

Yes - and the vast majority of abuse happens IN THE HOME by family and trusted familiars.

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not all the time ,alot of it is by people who work in homes ,schools,doctors, owe are they not people of society

the list can go on and on and on
get the picture i'am trying to put across

Probably because the parents of these kids have a hard enought time feeding and clothing them, I don't suspect fining them would work.

Oh and if you were to then throw them in prison for non payment of fine, the government would have an even bigger bill to pay!:rolleyes:

What about taking a positive approach? kids can achieve all sorts if they are given the right support. Could the members of this forum pressure the right folks to make it happen?

The parents of these antisocial youths could make a start giving them some support and making sure they aren't bored. I know of a youth club that needed people to sit on the committee, like governors or overseers, can't remember what they actually call them. You'd think some of the parents would be pleased to give up a little of their time as it's to the benefit of their children, wouldn't you? As I've been given to understand ... not one single parent has volunteered.

I'm not sure why minime, orginal and valley mob are quite so stressed about this subject. As they're quite certain it's not their children that are causing the mess, I would have thought they'd have been just as indignant about it as anyone else.

I just find it strange that anyone who says their kids are well behaved and properly looked after would strongly defend what is basically anti social behaviour. Having worked for quite a long time in housing, in my experience low level crime and anti social behaviour are what tenants complain about most - and most of the perpetrators are perceived to be young people. The majority of people don't bother their neighbours, they look after their homes as best they can, and they do their best to bring up their children to be responsible adults.

So why should the majority have to put up with vandalism, noise, graffiti etc just cos the minority think its acceptable behaviour? Parenting does take some effort and some commitment, its not easy - but when people decide to have children, it is their responsibility to look after them properly. This doesn't just mean food and clothing, it means teaching them manners, encouraging aspirations, and generally providing good role models for behaviour.

not all the time ,alot of it is by people who work in homes ,schools,doctors, owe are they not people of society

the list can go on and on and on
get the picture i'am trying to put across

A very, very minute percentage of people in a society does not constitute society in general.

Society in general is overwhelmingly decent, law abiding, caring, and responsible. The few percent who aren't don't reflect society as it is. They are, in effect, not complying with society's norms .... by choice.

Having read this epic thread from start to finish I have decided to add my 2 penneth!

1. There have always been troublesome kids, always throughout time.

2 There have always been grumpy people who complain about kids.

3. There have always been kids who don't exactly have the best start in life.

4. There is always someone who is going to blame the parents.

What about taking a positive approach? If there are kids up to no good then find something for them to do that is positive, kids can achieve all sorts if they are given the right support, maybe a council run project to create an adventure playground, or youth club. The summer holidays can be hell for kids if they have nothing to do.

Could the members of this forum pressure the right folks to make it happen?

I do know that if kids are treated like dirt, they will give it back double, if they are given respect, they will respect. Adults cannot expect kids to behave any differently from them, so if the tagging is a problem for you see what you can do to show the kids a different way instead of just slinging mud!

:D thank the lord someone who understands kids and people ,it's so nice to hear from a real person that is non-judgemental
THANK YOU NICE TO READ YOUR THREAD:thumbsup:

Trying to claim that society makes children turn bad is an attempt to claim that you haven't brought up your child.

It's your child, you are there parent. You are responsible for their upbringing, not society, not the government and not the school system.

You teach them right from wrong, you enforce the rules, and if they start screwing up, you should suffer the consequences.
Maybe parents being fined for criminal damage committed by their offspring or having their child benefits removed until the fine is paid, maybe that would focus their attention a little bit.

There's a big difference between troublesom kids, playing knock and run or kicking a football on a street and little hooligans illegaly riding motorbikes and vandalising public property.
Why should anyone take the time to reward them, there's plenty of kids who are bored and haven't been spray painting public property who could be rewarded with schemes instead.

:D thank the lord someone who understands kids and people ,it's so nice to hear from a real person that is non-judgemental
THANK YOU NICE TO READ YOUR THREAD:thumbsup:

The only people who should be heeding the advice given are the useless parents that brought those mini vandals into the world.
Everyone else shouldn't need to take responsibility for stopping their criminal behaviour.

Probably because the parents of these kids have a hard enought time feeding and clothing them, I don't suspect fining them would work.
But making them get out in the streets and clean up the mess left by their kids might go some way to making them see the errors of their ways.

Don't quite understand what circumstances would make it difficult to feed and clothe kids with today's benefit system.:confused:

SAXON51 do you go mad about everything else tax payer pay for,
cos about time they put more money in to kids, should i say what little they do ,cos they like giving it to other things and people which i will not go in to

It's cool Valley;) I am one of those "little scrotes", or at least I was 30 years ago! I was the sort of child I would not like to have to look after!

I was in a gang doing all sort of things kids do in gangs, getting into trouble and causing havock.

I was lucky enough to have found a way out that's all.

I trained as a nurse, moved out of the area, moved on, but I will never forget those I left behind, and their kids!

:D thank the lord someone who understands kids and people ,it's so nice to hear from a real person that is non-judgemental
THANK YOU NICE TO READ YOUR THREAD:thumbsup:
yes and i will second that cheers hun:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm sorry if I offend anyone but the majority is down to the parents, me included. I had 2 boys at aged 17 then 19. I am not going to glorify this & I admit I was far too young & irrisponsible to have children. I thought I knew best & let them play out till all hours, they were very cheeky to me & to cut a long story short I couldn't control them. I suppose it didn't help that their father was a no hoper & allowed the boys to talk to me like sh**.
Anyway I did eventually escape the life I had & made a decision to become a pillar of community & try to turn my boys lives around. For my eldest it was too late, he is 21 & I love him to bits but following in the same footsteps as his dad. I know I am just as much to blame & can never forgive myself & I do all I can to help him climb out of any bother he gets into. My 19 year old is a lovely hard working young man.
My ex died some years ago after we split up. I now have an 8 year old little girl to my new partner. She has been taught right from wrong from the word go. I was 31 when I had her, older & wiser. She never lies, never does anything I say she isn't allowed to do & never needs to get punished because she has been taught from birth. I look back & can't believe the things I allowed my boys to do that I wouldn't even dream of letting my daughter do & its nothing to do with her being a girl.
So I am sorry no-one can convince me otherwise that the parents aren't to blame because I myself am to blame for anything my elder son did wrong. While no-one on here knows him, I would still like to apologise for any harm my son may have done to anyone.
My only bit of hope is that he is now trying to change his life just like I did all them years before. His girlfriend is expecting, he is working & wants to stop smoking the funny fags that they all smoke nowadays.

Well, we have a fabulous example of success in our own Fox! Not just her, but a whole team of parents from an estate with a terrible reputation. I worked at Middlewood Festival and met these amazing people, and saw just how much they had achieved. The new community centre, nursery, the sports courts and play equipment, were all testiment to their determination, can-do attitude, refusal to blame 'society' and taking positive responsibility. Not to mention the festival they organised for their community. I was very glad to witness such a good-news outcome and I admired them immensely. They prove it can be done, but the starting point is the attitude of the parents.

I'm sure Fox would be delighted to advise on how to make it happen elsewhere, but the vibes coming from some of the posters isn't promising.

Why Purdyamos :o PR guru award coming up.

But yes should anyone want any advice on working from the ground up and being inclusive without mollycoddling and giving boundaries which breed a success. Ask away. :D

Just came across this little gem.:
my son tags with his mates and i wondered if there was somewhere where they could go as his brill just in wrong places
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1422170&highlight=son#post1422170

So, minnime, when you said on THIS thread...:

people on here should watch what they are sayin as the kids parents could be reading this and wont be too happy:)

.....you were talking about yourself then? You admit your son is a tagger and describe him as 'brill' (just in the 'wrong places'), then get all defensive when other people complain about his behaviour. A fine example you set to the little darling/lowlife (depending on whether you gave birth to him, or have to live in the same area as him). No wonder the boy is out of control and running around the neighbourhood with a spray can. :loopy:

spot on dynamicdebz.
If you find the thread about people having children at a young age, there will be a lot of the same people who are arguing here that society is to blame, also arguing that having children whilst still a teenager is somehow a good idea. At that age the parent is barely an adult themselves, most (not all) people in their teens are in no way prepared to become a parent.

I have being wooly liberal parent that I am. :rolleyes: Just rewarded my going on 12 year old with his longed for flat top hair cut and bleached look.

Shocking as it may be to assume that my son is a thug (being of the winn variety) he is an upstanding citizen and his reward was for work over the last month doing various jobs including litterpicking a whole park on Saturday.

Must say though his hair is "whosthemanna" he's chuffed to bits. :D

SAXON51 do you go mad about everything else tax payer pay for,
cos about time they put more money in to kids, should i say what little they do ,cos they like giving it to other things and people which i will not go in to
No! Only when we are expected to pay for the failings of other parents. About 90% or more of the kids in Sheffield aren't so bored that they have a need to wreck the place, and that's all down to their parents. So why should those parents chip in to entertain the kids whose parents have lost the plot?

Here's an idea. Hows about if the benefits officials hang around outside the chippy at tea time and collect a couple of quid from all those parents whose kids are known to be habitual vandals. This money could then be put in a fund for these poor unfortunate kids so they can have somewhere of their own to wreck. You never know, a miracle might happen. The parents may even decide to call in every now and then to see how their kids are getting on, or even get involved.

I'd go for that one. It means of course that my kids wouldn't be allowed to use it because I hadn't chipped in, but what the heck, I will just have to carry on keeping my kids entertained myself.

It's cool Valley;) I am one of those "little scrotes", or at least I was 30 years ago! I was the sort of child I would not like to have to look after!

I was in a gang doing all sort of things kids do in gangs, getting into trouble and causing havock.

I was lucky enough to have found a way out that's all.

I trained as a nurse, moved out of the area, moved on, but I will never forget those I left behind, and their kids!

thank you shirleyjay i work with kids that are from all kinds of backgrounds some of them really pull on your heart strings wish i could take them all home to give them the tlc they need but i can't.
i love it when kids turn out great like you have
just wish more people whould take the time to understand what these kids are up against these days i see it all the time and it is not nice at all:love:

Surely when we all become an age where we are older & wiser we know perhaps we were to blame after all & those on the defensive in so many years to come maybe admitting it like me.
I would also like to add from the life I use to lead(& some of you can only imagine) I am now a manager, responsible for employees, money & the running of a site. I have a law degree & have an IQ of 127. What I am trying to say is we can all change our life around. I have been one of those that new every scam to get more money from the DSS (or whatever they are called now), blamed everyone else for my boys bad behaviour & thought police were the bad guys.
If I an do it anyone an.

What ARE kids up against today thats different than it was in the 70s?
There were drugs then too, and temptation, and boredom and ...whats so different about today?

:rant: yes our area has a home that drug dealers live in[ the police have busted them loads of times one of the family is a pimp and ther are familys that live within this area including me. upperthorpeQUOTE=original]here we go again gleadless and youths !!!! does other areas not have this kind of behavoir ? or is it just our estate that full of whinging fools[/QUOTE]

You are always rantting on about the youths on gleadless
I love to hear you moan and groan about the kids up gleadless


I'm not the only one who complains about the tagging in the area, actually:

it everywhere you look now on our estate gleadless valley all you see is s14 cru

And that's from someone who admits her son is contributing to the problem!

:hihi:

I'm not the only one who complains about the tagging in the area, actually:



And that's from someone who admits her son is contributing to the problem!

:hihi:
where did i say my son was part of this nowhere so have less of that:rant:

What ARE kids up against today thats different than it was in the 70s?
There were drugs then too, and temptation, and boredom and ...whats so different about today?

Eee by gum them were the days.. I used to ride the circular all day for tuppence and sniff tippex. :rolleyes: (not really tippex was posh couldnt afford it)

Eee by gum them were the days.. I used to ride the circular all day for tuppence and sniff tippex. :rolleyes: (not really tippex was posh couldnt afford it)
You know that conductor on the circular?

That was your boyfriend that was.

:confused: Listen at the end of the day no matter how you bring up your kids they have there own independance, kids today have got freedom we never had freedom like the kids have today. I mean now Headmasters can not even cane your kids in school? It's a god dam free for all.:rant: DO you know ,i can not get my head around you ,i've never listen to someone go on like you do ,owe and yes that thinks they know it all,owe and i forgot that thinks they are so PER'FECT AND ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE.

yes it is wrong kids writting there names every where ,but you ,you have never done no wrong in your life to here you talk , your kids if you have any most have been so per'fect ,god it most be like a prison camp in your house
as you are just so so PER'FECT ,always do everything by the book.:mad:
only thing you need mate is to be:gag:

If I can do it anyone can.

You certainly sound like you really managed to turn things around for yourself and your family. I don't want to say well done, because that sounds a bit patronising, but you certainly deserve praise, a law degree is not a soft option. :thumbsup:

well goodnite one and all can't sit on here all nite some of us need are sleep so till we all talk again see you all
what a good talk as we all do bye:wave: :love:

The only people who should be heeding the advice given are the useless parents that brought those mini vandals into the world.
Everyone else shouldn't need to take responsibility for stopping their criminal behaviour.
shut up !! whats the excuse for allthese druggies from your posh nosh familys then and in what way do you take responsibility for these children

You know that conductor on the circular?

That was your boyfriend that was.

lol you are soooooooo naughty Jabber! :nono:

where did i say my son was part of this nowhere so have less of that:rant:

Erm, I've posted this quote once, look back if you missed it...


my son tags with his mates and i wondered if there was somewhere where they could go as his brill just in wrong places

:rolleyes:

shut up !! whats the excuse for allthese druggies from your posh nosh familys then and in what way do you take responsibility for these children

I think you will find posh nosh whatever that is (does it mean with knives and forks) families dont tend to tag and vandalise. If they rebel its usually in China White with Harry and Will.

lol you are soooooooo naughty Jabber! :nono:
always had respect for you fox !! but after reading some of your posts my opinoin has changed drastic .i thought you understand youths and wanted to help but you have shown your true colours tonight

What did I do! :o

As I read it, fox came across as being understanding and impartial in this matter.

:confused:

always had respect for you fox !! but after reading some of your posts my opinoin has changed drastic .i thought you understand youths and wanted to help but you have shown your true colours tonight

I do Liza I do... however I cant be doing with the same defensive argument with no positive solutions. The areas with problems are too busy or cant be bothered to do anything about it.. its getting a little tedious (bit like being in a meeting with the council) :rolleyes:

just save your breath as aint happy these unless pullin someone down cant be bothered anymore with it all:hihi: :hihi:

always had respect for you fox !! but after reading some of your posts my opinoin has changed drastic .i thought you understand youths and wanted to help but you have shown your true colours tonight

Ahhhh. Then I suggest you check out this thread from April: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1119757&highlight=valley#post1119757

Hi minnime. I wonder if it's worth you sending fox20thc a PM? It's obvious that you really do want to get the youth-problem sorted out in the area, and it seems like fox has got together with a group of neighbours to help their kids to do stuff. Maybe I'm wrong with what she does but I think I'm on the right lines. :) You may well find that she and her friends have been able to find a solution for their area (Middlewood) that might help the Gleadless Valley folk.

I wish you well. It's hard being a single parent, anyone who isn't one (or hasn't been one) really has no idea how difficult it can be at times.... :rolleyes:

Good luck with it all!

:)

:) I would quite happily share information with anyone about contacts and places to go to get support in setting up a group to improve your neighbourhood..........BTW Minime, if you want to get in touch with me the link is at the bottom.

Curiously, that's where the thread ends. And, from the posts I've read above, I don't get the feeling that minnime (or anyone else who's whining that the kids on the 'Valley don't have anything to do) has been in touch with fox. It's much easier to blame it on someone else (or 'society') isn't it, than actually do anything oneself? :|

As I read it, fox came across as being understanding and impartial in this matter.

:confused:

I try Sax I try but its late and the 4-M slant is leaking through... biggit up! brrap

* sorry

Oh I get down on my knees and praise god! SHsheff came up with proof positive for my previous statement.

Lets whine and moan and be defensive but actually do something...

erm... let me think about that one :clap: :clap: :clap:

I try Sax I try but its late and the 4-M slant is leaking through... biggit up! brrap

* sorry

u iz tired in da ed fox. get sum zedz n big it up in da mornin wen u iz fresha.:thumbsup:

look if you are that bothered report it as im sick of hearing bout it n you had no right putting their names on here.If anyone else wants a pop bring it on:rant: :rant:

Doesn't matter where it is??

Why should they not be named and shamed. It is only if thing like this happens that anything will be done about it.

I will tell you now if i found out if my son was doing it i would be stood there next to him till it was all off.

wright now my daughter has been bathed and in bed
:rant: DO you know i've just had as much as i can read from said :twisted: :evil: gets like you ,you have just with what you have said showed everyone that you are what i , other people think ,sad ,all month,know it all.
Is it any wounder these kids grow up like they do when there up against society like you ,don't blame the parents all the time, it's people like you that make them that way.

so stop putting your :twisted: words on your pc and get your head out of your arses (you have had that said to you many times)

go out and get to know these kids because YES you may just get a shock
as they are not gits like you say ,many of them are greet kids .
how do i know this because i work with these kids
if you so what half of these kids have been though in there short life you
would understand.

so please change the record cos i'am tied of the same old story all the time.

going out and getting a life would be a great start (THANK YOU):mad:

defensive, much, VM?

what I am sick and tired of, is kids who could be productive members of society, being allowed to run riot and terrorise districts, giving all kids, good or bad, a bad name, because of lack of discipline and control from their (often feckless) parents.

how dare you describe me as twisted, when I work with kids like these as a mentor, to try and teach them that there are other, more positive and constructive options than vandalising and creating trouble.

think this sholud be locked before tempers flare

Although parents cannot be wholly responsible for their childens actions outside the home responsibility starts within it.

Parents are ultimately responsible for their children's actions.

So responsibility starts in the home, and if a parent tells their child to ignore outside influences, then what hope is there for civilised society?

Especially if children start off with ignorant/belligerent parents

think this sholud be locked before tempers flare

Why should people and parents not have their say.

It obviously outrages poeple of Sheffield. Why should this be hidden???

Like i have said i have a 17 yr old son, people need to have responsibility of there kids, and if that does not happen then we end up in a mess.

Things need to be done about this. Graffitti needs to be sorted and the best way of getting it sorted is to find out who it is and get them to clean it off, and if they don't then their parents.

Far too many thing have been left to go in recent times and it needs sorting. A.S.A.P.

(Many kids need a good kick up the arse.)

Hi Fox, this probably got lost in the thread, I posted it on Sunday -
A shining example of community involvement was the Middlewood Winners festival yesterday. That's an estate that is always being run down, and has had a poor reputation and its share of problems. A group of concerned and responsible parents have taken a positive stance to try and work with people on the estate to improve the quality of life for everyone - and it appears to be working.
What you and your group are doing isn't easy, and you won't get 100% support from everyone who lives on the estate, but you will be improving the life chances of some of the kids, many of whom may have never seen good parenting in action!

I also wanted to say thanks to dynamicdebz, you are very honest. Most of us who are parents didn't get it all right, the difference is many of us are prepared to learn from our mistakes rather than just blame everyone else!

why is being clever in school and being academic a bad thing. we live in a society with all classes and races. unfortunately if you are of poor class, it is much easier for kids to fall in to the trap of crime because of the surroundings. the one way out of the scrubbers circle is getting an education as with a degree he/she can go anywhere in the world and achieve a better life. There is no excuses now for kids not to be in to something, you can even get a degree in djing / part of media studies.

shut up !! whats the excuse for allthese druggies from your posh nosh familys then and in what way do you take responsibility for these children

touche, that really showed me.

People already did the posh nosh jokes, so I'll skip that and just say that of myself and my two siblings (none of whom are posh in the slightest) none of us are drug dealers nor have we ever been vandals.
So I guess my parents managed to instill some values into us as we grew up, imposed limits, punished us when we broke them...
Why is that a few parents these days find that too difficult, whilst the majority still manage it just fine?

i think what he / she means is simple discipline. it all went wrong when the government officially said you are not allowed to smack children. a good beaten never did me any wrong from my parents. its logically quite simple. kids today compared with kids 20 / 30 years ago are more likely to go off the rails a lot easier. also before i get loads of you talking nspcc crap, i know the difference between between a smack on the wrists and abuse. another thing a sick way of looking at it, i would rather do 5 years prison myself for beating discipline into my kid than my kid doing 10 years for armed robbery. ..
I was also "beaten" by a parent and i can honestly say it did me NO good,there are other ways to teach and discipline a child surely? the thing that is missing today is time, spending time talking, playing, just showing respect and love to a child, this is how they learn, children copy the behaviour of parents.

I ask that question every time i go shopping in a supermarket why cant parents control their kids in the shop.

I ask that question every time i go shopping in a supermarket why cant parents control their kids in the shop.

Why do they need to be under control in a supermarket? It is bad enough that children are made to go to supermarkets without also expecting them to be on a lead like a dog. Why can't they enjoy themselves a bit as long as nobody dies or is seriously injured? If they make a noise then it just means that you can't hear the deadful canned music but otherwise it is quite harmless.

Why do they need to be under control in a supermarket? It is bad enough that children are made to go to supermarkets.

Yes, especially now that Tesco, Sainsbury and Asda deliver. :suspect: Why take kids anywhere :confused:


:loopy:

Actually what KenH said rang a few bells for me.
When I took my southern girlfriend around the stores and supermarkets of Sheffield, including Meadowhall, she often remarked how quiet these places were, she told me they reminded her of museums.
Even though there were lots of kids around, they were pretty quiet.
I didnt understand what she meant-until I moved to Leicester with her.
The shopping centres here are loud, unruly and FULL of kids.
And full of life, even the librarys and museums here are noisy, and Im still undecided what I prefer, the peace and relative quiet of Sheffield, or the noise and bustle of Leicestershire.

Talking about supermarkets I was in Asda the other night and a boy about 4 years old was sitting in the trolly messing around when he hit me on the head with a french stick I looked at him trying not to laugh and his mother just said oh he does that all the time and off they went. Although looking back on it, it was quite funny I am imagine a child allowed to get away with hitting stranges with food stuff is allowed to get away with much more. Hey give him 10 years and he might be tagging on bus stops :)

I ask that question every time i go shopping in a supermarket why cant parents control their kids in the shop.

Oh gosh, it's a question that every parent who's ever had to take a toddler into a shop asks themselves! WHY does every other child just sit quietly, while mine is so loud and wriggly that I've let them down from the trolley seat just to keep the noise down so they don't disturb the other shoppers? And WHY does every other walking-small-child just beam up at their mother and BEHAVE NICELY? :hihi:

You have to be there, to understand!

Having said that, the little 'uns do grow up, and become older - and it's at that stage that one can really begin (carry on) to drum into them the expectations of society. I've never let any child I've been responsible for, for example, eat stuff in a supermarket that hasn't been paid for. Pay for it, hold the receipt in the sticky paw, if need be, then eat it. Nothing wrong (morally) with that concept IMO, and it teaches the child that you pay for goods before they become yours.

Children aren't adults (doh) but we can expect that they'll grow up to be decent ones. They learn from the example that we (as parents) set them.

It's oh so easy, before one has children of one's own, to be critical. Once you have one, maybe as a single parent so you have no choice but to shop with them, that one learns tolerance and UNDERSTANDING!

It's a whole different ball game. Ask anyone you know who has a small child (ask to borrow them for a session, ideally). Parents are not the adults they use to be (and wanted to be)! :)

Why take kids anywhere :confused:


:loopy:


Ohhhh, deeeej! I just can't wait until you two have kids! Then you'll KNOW!!! :hihi:

Ohhhh, deeeej! I just can't wait until you two have kids! Then you'll KNOW!!! :hihi:

I think you mis-read my post ;)

I think you mis-read my post ;)

No, I read it! LOL just wait til you're stuck in with a coupla kids, dj....you'll be desperate to get out! :)

......................SHsheff waits for Hayley to give birth...... ;)

I thought we'd tried to calm this thread down the other night!!!!

Not reading through it all again but what's the gripe about now....kiddies in supermarkets???

Right here's my input:

We as mothers have no choice but to take our kiddie winkles with us shopping. I had my children so that I could look after them myself and not to load them off to anyone else just cos I needed to get a bit of shopping in.

Kid will be kids, and now mine are grown they still act like daft idiots going round the supermarket and the biggest one of all is my other half. Him and my 18 year old don't half mess around while we're shopping and they have other people laughing at them......our shopping outings are quite an experience. Me personally, I try to rush off and lose them which never seems to work. :rolleyes:

But seriously, spare a thought for the mums with young children, especially when the little un decides to have a paddy in the middle of the floor cos they can't have a toy or a bar of choccy, it's not always pleasant sailing for us you know.

DJ was only joking! ;)


:suspect:

:)

DJ was only joking! ;)

:suspect:

I kno :P Hayley has enough to deal with :hihi:

I remember shopping in Safeways (now Waitrose) with my two sons, they started argueing and the 5 yr old smacked his younger brother, I told him off ..Next minute I heard a yell turned round to find the eldest one rubbing his head apparently, the younger one had picked up a large pack of frozen sausages, and whacked him on his head with them. The humilation of it all was made worse by some of the shop staff, and customers peeing themselves with laughter.
Eldest son wasn't laughing though, Nor was I.:mad: Kids eh.

:lol: :hihi: Do you know i've really got to say to all you who put things on

here about shopping with kids ,also them thats had things happen to them

THANK YOU SO MUCH cos you have made me laught so much ,it was great to

read them ,flashbang,dannyboy ,these were great thank you keep them coming.

dibsy i know that feeling well hun ,i do a runner now so the kids don't come with me:love: :thumbsup:

OK if we're talking about toddlers having a paddy, it happens, can't be avoided but even so they should be told its wrong before it escalates & also why in a child like manner.
However if we're talking about older kids say 5 years +, they should know how to behave & if the child is reacting badly & not quickly calmed down it is a reflection on the parent.
I have seen children older than my daughter running around with the trollies, banging into people, then the parents saying sorry.
Are they saying sorry for their children not being corrected, sholdn't they be telling the kids to say sorry. I would be so ashamed if my daughter was to do this.

I would be so ashamed if my daughter was to do this.

I suppose that some children are just like docile sheep who get taken to the supermarket and walk round in a TV induced daze. I have brought my children up to despise shopping and to enjoy themselves whenever possible. As a result they often pass the time at the supermarket by playing "put the expensive item in someones trolley" or "hit the other shoppers with produce in alphabetical order". On busy shopping days we get them to take off their shoes and slide along the lanes. The first one to get tutted at 10 times gets to help themselves to free fruit (unless they get caught and have to pay).

I suppose that some children are just like docile sheep who get taken to the supermarket and walk round in a TV induced daze. I have brought my children up to despise shopping and to enjoy themselves whenever possible. As a result they often pass the time at the supermarket by playing "put the expensive item in someones trolley" or "hit the other shoppers with produce in alphabetical order". On busy shopping days we get them to take off their shoes and slide along the lanes. The first one to get tutted at 10 times gets to help themselves to free fruit (unless they get caught and have to pay).

Hell's teeth Ken! I like the sound of this enormously. Good stuff, especially the bit about despising shopping.

If you are implying my daughter is a docile sheep you should read further back in this thread.
My daughter has so much fun but there are times & places.
Perhaps when your children knock over a frail old person when skidding down the aisles, you may be a little embarrassed.
I'm sorry KenH but you will reap the repercussions when your children are older.
My daughter sees no problem in behaving at places where she should behave as this is the way she has been brought up from birth. As I've already said previously, I have learned by mistakes. She is a well behaved & well mannered little girl that I am very very proud of. I explain to her in a child like way why we expect her to behave in certain places & can let rip in others & because I am & always have been open & honest with her, she respects us & reaps the rewards.

I'm sorry KenH but you will reap the repercussions when your children are older.

I certainly hope so. I am trying to bring them up to be imaginative and very independant. When I was 15/16 I used to hitchhike around Europe and yet these days I see lots of fat children thinking they are adverturous if they go to the park with only one parent. It is a kind of child abuse to take a child to Tescos on a busy day and it is no wonder that they get bored and have a bit of fun. On Sundays we sometimes drive past Meadowhell, wind the windows down and all shout "Baa Baa" as loud as we can at all the sheep.

One thing if you're harming no-one but another if it does.
I don't take kindly to anyone insulting me with my daughter as she is the most innocent, precious little girl you'll ever meet.
I have brought her up to be polite & well mannered & yet to have fun in life.
She is 8 years old, never swore in her life, always says please & thankyou & corrects me if I forget & can't believe the way some of her friends are but refuses to be like them.
She has never been smacked in her life, never been grounded & never been punished, as she has been taught from the word go what is right & wrong.
And she tells me about how her friends are so naughty.
Maybe I am lucky & its nothing to do with me but I don't appreciate people saying I'm wrong.

KenH ... I'm so :o - i always thought you were an OAP!

Maybe I am lucky & its nothing to do with me but I don't appreciate people saying I'm wrong.
No, you aren't lucky dynamicdebz, you are a good parent. I've had this argument before on here. Well done for putting in the effort. It is amazing how some can do it, but others seem to think that the world is to blame for their genetic short-falls.

Well done :thumbsup:

[QUOTE=dynamicde
Maybe I am lucky & its nothing to do with me but I don't appreciate people saying I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]


The incident that took place with my two sons happened about 12 yrs ago.
They just happend to have a quarrel like siblings tend to do. At the time I was mortified, but now I can look back and laugh about it. I still don't know what caused this to happen when it did, but I can assure you it was a one off incident, in public that is.

Im not saying you are wrong dynamicdebz, I dont know how many children you have, but brothers and sisters will often argue and fight, but they still love each other to bits.:thumbsup:

On busy shopping days we get them to take off their shoes and slide along the lanes. The first one to get tutted at 10 times gets to help themselves to free fruit (unless they get caught and have to pay).

And a little bit of time in a cell for shoplifting, that would be a useful life experience as well?
Maybe they could lock you up next door for having no control over your children.

Originally Posted by KenH
On busy shopping days we get them to take off their shoes and slide along the lanes. The first one to get tutted at 10 times gets to help themselves to free fruit (unless they get caught and have to pay).

And a little bit of time in a cell for shoplifting, that would be a useful life experience as well?
Maybe they could lock you up next door for having no control over your children.

Methinks KenH was being a tad ironic?

I worked in reeception class for 17 years and a great number of children passed through my hands that did not know the meang of NO.
No one had ever said it before and meant it.
So taking into account by the age of 4 they had been denied nothing, it was quite a big shock when they started school and some one was actually saying no
I could never understand the Mothers who said their children were terrible at home because once we had got over the idea that we meant what we said the same children were extremely well behaved in school and skidded to a stop when meeting me in the local supermarket.
I'm not sure whether this will help this debate but a little discipline at home started very young stays with them for life.

hazel

And a little bit of time in a cell for shoplifting, that would be a useful life experience as well?
Maybe they could lock you up next door for having no control over your children.

It is a little known fact that fruit is free in supermarkets provided you consume it before the checkout. This only applies if it is not packaged and if you are gullible.

KenH you are downright irresponsible. I cannot imagine how you can think that kind of behaviour is acceptable. What you should do, if you have no choice but to take your unruly children shopping, is to lock them securely in the car. You could leave the windows down a little so they could breathe, but at least then they'd be out of the way of the other shoppers and their innocent children.

Honestly! Some parents have no idea. :nono:

Methinks KenH was being a tad ironic?

Only a bit. I certainly don't allow them to deliberately bother other people and they wouldn't do that anyway. However, I can't stand people who complain about children playing/laughing/being seen in public and these people should modify their behaviour rather than expect children to. I certainly DO drive past Meadowhell with the windows open and shout "baa baa" at all the sheep and th children are brought up to know that shopping is something you have to do if you are really short of something and not a form of recreation.

Near to where I live is an area with a sign saying "no ball games", this means that groups of teenagers can hang about doing nothing useful but they mustn't kick a ball about as that might annoy the residents.

...corrects me if I forget & can't believe the way some of her friends are but refuses to be like them......And she tells me about how her friends are so naughty.


I think she sounds a lovely little girl, and I'd imagine she's really popular with her friends, too! :) I think you've done well to bring her up just the way you want to. She'll really thank you when she gets older! :)

Flashbang I haven't actually ready your post, I was just generalising.
Ken if you read all the posts I've put in this thread you will see I am not trying to make out I am perfect or that children should be seen & not heard, far from.
I have already mentioned I also have 2 sons aged 19 & 21 that I had when I was 17 & 19. I made all the mistakes mentioned on here with my boys & as soon as I was older & wiser tried to rectify this by saying no a bit more but it took a lot of hard work. My 21 year old is only just getting his life in order & the worst thing is I know it is my fault (can't blame his father he is no longer with us). I realised my mistakes & when I was pregnant with my daughter I made a decision that I was going to start from birth with what is acceptable & what isn't. And I can honestly say I am very proud of her.

[QUOTE=dynamicdebz]Flashbang I haven't actually ready your post, I was just generalising.
Sorry some crossed wires here, I have sent you a pm :thumbsup:

It is a little known fact that fruit is free in supermarkets provided you consume it before the checkout. This only applies if it is not packaged and if you are gullible.

Shocking Ken, Im appalled :P

Im extremely gullible and off to Morrisons!

Too many parents are unwilling to discipline their kids (or say "no" to them) because they want to be "best friends " with them.
Like an employer who can`t be best friends with his employees, at the end of the day your kids (or your employees) have to respect you, as in DEFER TO YOU, as in "do what they`re bleedin told".