Afraid this is one of my pet hates.
Should people be allowed to bring home works vehicles and park them in residential areas? This covers all vehicles with company logos from transits and and pick-ups through to lorries.

A number if issues spring to mind;

1. Usually these people are leaving home at very early times especially lorry drivers thereby causing a noise nusance.

2. They cause hazards on side roads where there is barely enough room for a vehicle to pass.

3. Who wants to be looking at such eye-sores in a residential area? Invariable these people park their vehicles in front of somebody else's house instead of their own or in their own drives.

4. Why should businesses be given what is in effect free parking for their vehicles when they should be returned to some depot or other at the end of the day for storage?

Comments please.

It saves people time, effort and money, as well as environmental damage if they take their works vehicles home.

Doesn't bother me. The guy across the road runs his own business - where should he park his van at night?

It doesn't bother me either. My husband brings his transit home just about everyday. He needs to so that he can start work as early as possible, as I work too and need our car.

Our neighbours don't mind at all as they very often get free firewood. He is a tree surgeon.

I don't have a problem, we occasionally get a JCB parked outside for a night or so when our neighbour is working locally.

Wish the PO had allowed us to take vehicles home when I worked as a driver. It would have given me an extra hour in bed which when you have to start at 5.45 am would have been a treat.

I used to work at a factory that made pogo sticks and after you'd completed your three-month's trial you got your own transport.

Hard work going uphill, though.

definately NO my neighbour has a crappy smallish removal type van he parks it overnight and weekends on anyones front but his own sometimes blocking the entire pavement thus causing pedestrians to walk out onto the road is there not a law against this.

Yes there is! Call the Police if it is causing an obstruction to the footway.

As to works vehicles, if you live in a newish house you may find that your deeds have a covenant against parking of such vehicles.



Now I want to nominate CARAVANS as a bigger eyesore when parked on peoples drives, not forgetting that people seem to forget that it's illegal to park one on the road! I'm going to start calling the Police to get them moved when they cause an obstruction :mad:

My Husband has to park his works van outside our house as they no longer work from a depot. They are not allowed to leave them at the central stores. However since he doesn't leave for work until 7.45 it doesn't really disturb anyone as most people are already up. Yes, I agree they are unsightly but remember not everyone has a choice!

Dont have a problem with most company vehicles as long as they're parked considerately and not causing obstructions for emergency vehicles etc, But I think the line should be drawn at over a certain axle weight, HGV's for example should'nt really be taken onto estate / residential roads except for making deliveries etc.

No problem with them IF they are parked with some degree of thought - what annoys me is when people leave a transit within a few feet of a junction making it impossible to see whats coming GRRRRRR!!!!!!

While were on roads though the thing that REALLY annoys me is people who leave a cone outside their house to prevent other people parking there - I'm sure this is illigal as well - can anyone out there cast some light on this?

I don't have a problem with it. In the past I have known people bring trucks home from work which at times can be annoying.

I dont have a problem with transit vans etc. but Huge gret' HGVs :|

There are a couple round here, id certainly not want that outside my house!

I don't think the problem should be with it being a "work" vehicle. The problem is if people park inconsiderately irrespective of whether it is their own vehicle or a business one.

While were on roads though the thing that REALLY annoys me is people who leave a cone outside their house to prevent other people parking there - I'm sure this is illigal as well - can anyone out there cast some light on this?

Its not illegal but they can do nothing (at least nothing legally!!) if you get out and move them. However, you usually find these sort of people will shout their mouths off and probably wouldn't think twice about doing something like letting your tyres down!! (or worse)

The type of responses given to my question are all about 'me me me'. Saves me time, I get longer in bed, saves me money but what about the bigger picture?

Take the local pollution created by all those choking diesel fumes.

Take making the streets a hazardous place for our children to play and don't say that they don't have to play in the street because they do certainly round here.

Take churning the grass verges up where many are parked. Not to mention breaking up kerb edgings where there aren't any droppers.

Residential areas should be just that ie for residing in and not a car park for 'entrepreneurs' running businesses on the cheap.

Originally posted by Mo
The type of responses given to my question are all about 'me me me'. Saves me time, I get longer in bed, saves me money but what about the bigger picture?

Take the local pollution created by all those choking diesel fumes.

Take making the streets a hazardous place for our children to play and don't say that they don't have to play in the street because they do certainly round here.

Take churning the grass verges up where many are parked. Not to mention breaking up kerb edgings where there aren't any droppers.

Residential areas should be just that ie for residing in and not a car park for 'entrepreneurs' running businesses on the cheap.

I agree with most of what you say but isn't all this due to the free market, capitalism and relaxation of rules regulating small businesses freeing them up to increase wealth creation? It seems to me that on the one hand we have one group of people saying release businesses from all these petty bureaucracies and on the other a group saying don't let them do it in my back yard.

If you want to see a prime example of people leaving inappropriate vehicles in residential areas go look at Wraggs in Walkley.

What.

Solong as they don't block drive's... What ?

While were on roads though the thing that REALLY annoys me is people who leave a cone outside their house to prevent other people parking there - I'm sure this is illigal as well - can anyone out there cast some light on this? Its not illegal but they can do nothing (at least nothing legally!!) if you get out and move them. However, you usually find these sort of people will shout their mouths off and probably wouldn't think twice about doing something like letting your tyres down!! (or worse)

I'm sorry, but i cannot agree with your statement, Saxon.

My ex boyfriend's father lived in an area near Belle Vue football ground in Doncaster, and every saturday afternoon the street would be filled with cars belonging to non-residents, who chose to park inconsiderately, rather than pay a few quid for parking in a proper car park. They would park in front of peoples drives so they couldn't get out or get in, and would park on corners - and sometimes two deep - making living in the area an unneccesary hazard.

My ex-boyfriend was living at home at the time, and used to have to get up early for work on a saturday. As there was no space on the drive for two cars, he used to park outside the house. On a saturday afternoon when returning from work, the only way he would be able to park within a mile of his own house was by putting a couple of cones outside to prevent people parking there. i personally have no problem with this, as it is his right to park outside his own house.

His father would phone the police to report these incredibly ignorant non-locals who chose convenience over safety, but the police said it had nothing to do with them - phone the council. So he did, and when do you think the council came out to look at the problem? Saturday afternoon? Nope, they came out three times, and each time they came out midweek, in the middle of the day, when everyone's in work and there are no cars anywhere. They then said that they saw no problem.

Which mad captain was it who, on being told the enemy ships were approaching, put his telescope to his blind eye and announced "I see no ships.."...
:loopy:

Originally posted by LittleWitch
Ii personally have no problem with this, as it is his right to park outside his own house.


As far as I'm aware you actually have no more (legal) right to park outside your own house than anyone other road user...

I have one problem with this. A van parks at the top of our street right on the junction and it's im possible to see if there are any cars coming. Also, loads of kids whizz up and down the street on bikes without looking for cars so it's pretty dangerous.

A thing that annoys me more is people parking in the street when they have a drive to use, making it difficult for my parents and others to pull out of their own drives to go places. Moan moan...

Yes, that may be so. But if you could only park outside your house -i.e didnt have a drive - and every week you couldn't park within a mile of your own front door, wouldn't you want to do something about it? Everyone would! Plus, it's not even as if they lived on a main road - they lived right at the bottom of a residential area - the furthest away from a main road you can get without living in a cul-de-sac.
Plus, these idiots who continued to park there on saturdays often arrived one person in each car, and there was already plenty of legitimate parking available in the area. They were just lazy, IMO.

Originally posted by LittleWitch
Yes, that may be so. But if you could only park outside your house -i.e didnt have a drive - and every week you couldn't park within a mile of your own front door, wouldn't you want to do something about it? Everyone would! Plus, it's not even as if they lived on a main road - they lived right at the bottom of a residential area - the furthest away from a main road you can get without living in a cul-de-sac.
Plus, these idiots who continued to park there on saturdays often arrived one person in each car, and there was already plenty of legitimate parking available in the area. They were just lazy, IMO.

I live about 1/4 mile from Bramall Lane so I know all too well the "no-one can move on a match day" effect - but I take it as part of the rich tapestry of living where I do! Its a public road - if theres a space and you can park there without obstructing the the highway then you are perfectly at liberty to do it. Yes it would be nice to have my own parking place, but I don't. C'est la vie!

Its not illegal but they can do nothing (at least nothing legally!!) if you get out and move them. However, you usually find these sort of people will shout their mouths off and probably wouldn't think twice about doing something like letting your tyres down!! (or worse)

I'm sorry, but i cannot agree with your statement, Saxon.

I'm sorry Little Witch, but you don't agree with my statement? You might not agree with the final sentiments (which perhaps were a little 'all encompassing') but you cannot disagree with a statement of fact that the road, even that outside your property, is not yours but is in fact public and anyone can park there. I've lived on a road of terraced houses with no parking facilities, and yes it is annoying but at the end of the day, you have to park where there is a space.

LittleWitch, can I ask a question? Was there a garage at the end of this drive?

I wasn't refering to your post LittleWitch. I'm talking about people who have a drive big enough to house 2 cars yet still park in the street.

I live near Newcastle Falcons Rugby Ground and have the same problem with people leaving cars in our street on match days so I can sympathise. But I was talking about two unrelated things!

Right then, first of all, Saxon, I meant your final sentence when saying I didn't agree with your statement, not that i think that a piece of road belongs to the person who's house it's outside. I should have been more precise in my quoting *slap wrist*.
And claiireee, we seem to have got our wires crossed. I wasn't referring to your post, i was referring to evildrneil, but you snuck your post in there before i could press send on my post!!
And Max, no there wasn't a garage at the end of the drive, just a shed.
Right, hope that's sorted all of that out! :D

Originally posted by Mo
Afraid this is one of my pet hates.
Should people be allowed to bring home works vehicles and park them in residential areas? This covers all vehicles with company logos from transits and and pick-ups through to lorries.

A number if issues spring to mind;

1. Usually these people are leaving home at very early times especially lorry drivers thereby causing a noise nusance.

2. They cause hazards on side roads where there is barely enough room for a vehicle to pass.

3. Who wants to be looking at such eye-sores in a residential area? Invariable these people park their vehicles in front of somebody else's house instead of their own or in their own drives.

4. Why should businesses be given what is in effect free parking for their vehicles when they should be returned to some depot or other at the end of the day for storage?

Comments please.

Jeez wept..God forbid that these people that get up early to make a living should dare to disrupt your important sleep patterns. You'll be saying next that Postmen should wear fluffy slippers so as to not make any noise and milk should be delivered in foam protected bottles so as not to make a noise when delivered in the morning.
People that can't park cause hazards and that includes everyday car owners...maybe even yourself or are you faultless when it comes to driving?
When have you seen alorry driver bring home his articulated lorry?????
What car do you own?? Who's to say that your car isn't an eyesore to other people??..what if the road is busy and you have to park it somewhere else??
I have seen some gripes on here but this takes the pi$$.
Some people do whinge at the most trivial things

Originally posted by LittleWitch
Yes, that may be so. But if you could only park outside your house -i.e didnt have a drive

When I bought my last property I ensured that it had a drive to park my car on, If the property didnt have a drive then I would'nt have bought it, simple as that. Why cant others adopt a similar aproach when chosing properties.

Originally posted by mega_monty
When I bought my last property I ensured that it had a drive to park my car on, If the property didnt have a drive then I would'nt have bought it, simple as that. Why cant others adopt a similar aproach when chosing properties.

With the price of properties in Sheffield today and the fact that many people rent not everyone has that luxury.

We have a drive and a garage, which was great when we moved 2 years ago but since then my husband has no choice but to bring his works van home, which because we have shared drive he has to park on the road.

Originally posted by LittleWitch
I'm sorry, but i cannot agree with your statement, Saxon.

My ex boyfriend's father lived in an area near Belle Vue football ground in Doncaster, and every saturday afternoon the street would be filled with cars belonging to non-residents, who chose to park inconsiderately, rather than pay a few quid for parking in a proper car park. They would park in front of peoples drives so they couldn't get out or get in, and would park on corners - and sometimes two deep - making living in the area an unneccesary hazard.

My ex-boyfriend was living at home at the time, and used to have to get up early for work on a saturday. As there was no space on the drive for two cars, he used to park outside the house. On a saturday afternoon when returning from work, the only way he would be able to park within a mile of his own house was by putting a couple of cones outside to prevent people parking there. i personally have no problem with this, as it is his right to park outside his own house.

His father would phone the police to report these incredibly ignorant non-locals who chose convenience over safety, but the police said it had nothing to do with them - phone the council. So he did, and when do you think the council came out to look at the problem? Saturday afternoon? Nope, they came out three times, and each time they came out midweek, in the middle of the day, when everyone's in work and there are no cars anywhere. They then said that they saw no problem.

Which mad captain was it who, on being told the enemy ships were approaching, put his telescope to his blind eye and announced "I see no ships.."...
:loopy:

Annoying though it may be when you can't find a parking space outside your house, driveway entrances excepted, the street outside does not belong to you and you have absolutely no legal right to put cones etc there to reserve a spot.

Yes, mojoworking, the point you make has already been discussed earlier in this thread. :)

Originally posted by Mo
The type of responses given to my question are all about 'me me me'. Saves me time, I get longer in bed, saves me money but what about the bigger picture?

Take the local pollution created by all those choking diesel fumes.

Take making the streets a hazardous place for our children to play and don't say that they don't have to play in the street because they do certainly round here.

Take churning the grass verges up where many are parked. Not to mention breaking up kerb edgings where there aren't any droppers.

Residential areas should be just that ie for residing in and not a car park for 'entrepreneurs' running businesses on the cheap.

The reason that the posts are all "me me me" is because people are expressing their opnions as you have yours.

Why not be glad that these people are in work? If they were not you would then have the gripe that they were costing you more in tax.

As for deisel fumes polluting the locality, yes they do, but they also pollute everywhere else at the same time. Does this stop you shopping at Supermarkets due to your objection to the pollution their lorries cause delivering it.

Some small 'work' vans are smaller than vehicles like the Galaxy 'People Mover' and are lower in height than some of the taller 4x4s. These vehicles provide just as much obstruction as smaller works vehicles do.

Mnay small vans based on private car chassis are also using petrol engines rather than diesel. There are diesel works vehicles, just as there are increasing numbers of diesel cars. There is an environmental issue around 10 micron emissions from diesel engines in general - not just from commercial vehicles.

As was pointed out (using repetition to strengthen an argument here, and hence avoiding the wrath of the repeat police...;-) ) the environmental impact of the extra journey involved in driving to a depot and from a depot, where available, may outweigh the local impact of parking outside.

Larger vehicles - like cabs for artics - are a different issue. they're frequently heavy enough to crack the pavement and so shouldn't be there - the road is basically not designed for it.

Of course....lots of little vans from small businesses around teh area can have an impact on house prices......perhaps some of the problems comes from this?

I too used to live near the soccer ground in Doncaster and it was a nightmare. Having said that, when I rented the house I knew there was a soccer ground there, so I kind of expected lousy parking once or twice a week in season and large amounts of spillage from the floodlights - more of a nuisance in many ways. Unless the ground was built after you buy a house there, there is an element of caveat emptor - it's like someone today buyng a house near an airport and complaining about the planes.

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
....lots of little vans from small businesses around teh area can have an impact on house prices......perhaps some of the problems comes from this?

Joe

No Joe the thought of impact on house prices never crossed my mind.

I am pig sick of constantly living in fear that some of the small children who play on the road will be flattened. I live on what should be a safe cul de sac for children to play. The reality is that from top to bottom of the road and sometimes on both sides works vehicles are lined up. As they park half on the pavements it means that the children cannot ride down on their bikes..here I am talking of 4-8 year olds because there isn't room. Similarly anybody with a push chair or wheelchair would have to go down the centre of the road.

So the kids play in the road and being children often forget and run from behind the vans. They just cannot be seen by anyone driving down the road.

The police don't want to know. They often don't visit you here if you are a victime of theft but just give you the old crime number.

To my mind works vehicles belong at work full stop.

It would be interesting to know exactly which cul-de-sac this is that attracts so many works vehicles...or is it actually just one or two but feel you have to exaggerate!! I bet there are more cars parked on the street than just works vans. I just get the impression you're a bit snobby.
I personally don't think that works vehicles parked up the side of a road are any more dangerous than cars parked on the road. If I remember rightly I was always told not to run from behind ANY parked vehicle so maybe you should educate your children more in this practice.
Oh and you're not supposed to ride bikes on the pavement either...so in fact its the kids that are the nuisance, running out from behind parked cars and bombing up and down the pavement on their bikes putting pedestrians at risk!!

Originally posted by wibbles
It would be interesting to know exactly which cul-de-sac this is that attracts so many works vehicles...or is it actually just one or two but feel you have to exaggerate!! I bet there are more cars parked on the street than just works vans. I just get the impression you're a bit snobby.
I personally don't think that works vehicles parked up the side of a road are any more dangerous than cars parked on the road. If I remember rightly I was always told not to run from behind ANY parked vehicle so maybe you should educate your children more in this practice.
Oh and you're not supposed to ride bikes on the pavement either...so in fact its the kids that are the nuisance, running out from behind parked cars and bombing up and down the pavement on their bikes putting pedestrians at risk!!

Why are you so rude?

I have no intention of telling you where I live and no reason whatsoever to exaggerate. My little cul de sac is regularly parked up with works vehicles from top to bottom. Now you either take my word for it or you don't.

From your comments I would guess that you either have no children or you a a bit simple in the head.

Likewise you are probably one of the inconsiderate drivers who think that your rights should supercede everyone else's.

Mo
Perhaps you would like to ring either, Pete Wise or Elaine Stewart on 01773 834382 as they are the Alfreton beat officers, and tell them about your problems and if you don't have any success with them write to the Chief Constable David Coleman,his address is on this link



http://www.derbyshire.police.uk/index/index.html

owdlad.

Originally posted by Mo
Why are you so rude?

I have no intention of telling you where I live and no reason whatsoever to exaggerate. My little cul de sac is regularly parked up with works vehicles from top to bottom. Now you either take my word for it or you don't.

From your comments I would guess that you either have no children or you a a bit simple in the head.

Likewise you are probably one of the inconsiderate drivers who think that your rights should supercede everyone else's. I get it now. You must live in Kier's Head Office car park!!
Every point you have made about safety, pollution, ripping up grass verges etc etc applies to almost every vehicle that drives on the road be it works vehicle, 4 x 4, or Ford Focus which merely reinforces the fact that your gripe is purely about people lowering the tone of your precious neighbourhood. To top it all off you go totally off topic and label me an inconsiderate driver???? :loopy:
I shall now give this thread the treatment it deserves by laughing at the pointlessness of it all whilst vowing not waste anymore of my time on it..thank you
:D

Mod:Various posts have been removed / edited. Please try to keep on topic.

Cheers :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Mo
No Joe the thought of impact on house prices never crossed my mind.

When we were house-hunting we came across a road full of transit vans. It put us right off. Not only do they obstruct the light, but you can't see round or through them when pulling out of your own drive (dangerous) and anybody lurking in the street who shouldn't be has great cover for doing so (security issue).

We have a choice about where to live, so we chose not to live there :(

My sister lives in a street where somebody regularly parks a luton on the brow of a hill, on a corner. Nobody has a cattin' hells chance of negotiating that junction safely, so several neighbours reported the problem to the police/council and he was threatened with a parking ticket :thumbsup:

The lorry thats parks near my home doesn't seem to do much work. It is parked up from 2.30pm until 10.30am most days. On the days that it moves but is generally there from thursday to tuesday.
Ohh for a job like that.
The driver is also very arragant. When asked if he could park closer to his home as it was a little arkward for the disabled driver to park down the road in front of lorry drivers home he was given verble abuse. What also makes me laugh is that if visitors park in front of his home he goes beserk.

I'm not bothered by ordinary vans but what does annoy me is people who have two or more vehicles when they don't have a drive. Bearing in mind that most homes do have a vehicle some simple sums tell you that it's going to be impossible for everyone to parl. It's especially annoying when they only use one of them and use the street as a dumping ground for spare vehicles!

I had to laugh at one neighbour. He had the most ramshackle, disgusting and rusty van parked for a few years (sometimes I still wonder if I'm going to wake up from my dream and find the heap still there). It even had weeds growing under the wheels. One night he caught some kids inside it, and decided to trap them there. The door didn't even lock so he had to hold it shut with brute strength and yell for his wife to call the police. He's got a ramshackle car there now. I think it's just a litle quirk he has. ;)

Originally posted by mrsnoo
The lorry thats parks near my home....

When asked if he could park closer to his home as it was a little arkward for the disabled driver to park down the road in front of lorry drivers home he was given verble abuse. What also makes me laugh is that if visitors park in front of his home he goes beserk.

Sounds like somebody needs a visit from one of those new-fangled traffic wardens they've been advertising on the radio :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Mathom
It's especially annoying when they only use one of them and use the street as a dumping ground for spare vehicles!
Don't the police crush untaxed vehicles now? (I know you didn't mention whether it was though)

:gag: Works vans in residential areas Kill Cars
I know believe me!
I'm just having a rant and getting rid of steam at the moment as you'll see and understand if you read my recent thread

Don't the police crush untaxed vehicles now? (I know you didn't mention whether it was though)

Um, I actually do look at tax discs from time to time just to see if they are indeed out of date, as I get so narked about some of the ujnused vehicles. I've not yet spotted one, but if I did I think I'd feel guilty about reporting it! I suppose I wish people would just be considerate *wishful thinking* :(

My parents house used to get a coach parked bang outside their house quite a lot of the time. It blocked the light into the already dark room (as its north facing room) and it was a lovely sight to look at from the window. In the end, my Mother phoned the company and complained about it being outside her house and it stopped.

We live near the footie ground, which we knew about when we moved here. I don't expect to park outside my house but it would be nice when I have loads of shopping. What drives me mad, is how people on my road stick cones out when they move the car. It annoys me, because if I come back and thats the only parking space, I don't feel like I can move it because it will start neighbour wars and also the cones could be outside my house because that was where their car was last parked.

We also live near the bowling ground and from April to Oct they park everyday on our street from 10am to 6pm. I'm lucky to get parked on our road at all during these times. The park has a car park they could use, but they don't because it would mean walking an extra 5 minutes.

That's my rant over and I feel better for getting that off my chest before I go to bed!

Originally posted by thomsongirl
We also live near the bowling ground and from April to Oct they park everyday on our street from 10am to 6pm. I'm lucky to get parked on our road at all during these times. The park has a car park they could use, but they don't because it would mean walking an extra 5 minutes.

Clubs usually take local residents' complaints seriously. It can affect all sorts of things like licenses if residents want to start getting niggly :thumbsup:

Originally posted by thomsongirl

We live near the footie ground, which we knew about when we moved here. I don't expect to park outside my house but it would be nice when I have loads of shopping. What drives me mad, is how people on my road stick cones out when they move the car. It annoys me, because if I come back and thats the only parking space, I don't feel like I can move it because it will start neighbour wars and also the cones could be outside my house because that was where their car was last parked.



I live near a footie ground too - or at least it feels like it on match days! A former neighbour ran a shop, and so had cones for deliveries. When they ceased running the shop, they still put the cones out though! I would arrive back from work in the middle of the night, and sometimes the only parking space in the street was between these cones - so that's where I parked! (nb. the guy was on night shifts, and wanted a reserved space for when he came home).

There is no such thing as a reserved parking space. This guy would leave anonymous snotty notes on my car windscreen. I challenged him one day as to the authorship of these obnoxious notes (notes - they were written on huge pieces of cardboard and made suggestions as to what I could do with my vehicle, etc.!).

Despite my pointing out to him that there were always spaces in the street at the time he came home from his night shifts, he insisted on some 'right' to park outside his own house (would that all the neighbours could do the same of course!). He became verbally aggressive and physically intimidating, and had to be restrained by his missus. Needless to say, we stopped speaking to each other. I was sufficiently concerned by his aggressive attitude that I feared damage to my car if parked where he continued to leave the cones.

My solution was to wait a month, and then I plonked the cones into a wheelie bin late one night. The bin men come round very early, and so they were gone when he came home from work. I still didn't park outside his house for quite a while - though as it happens, the space was often taken by another neighbour! He didn't risk falling out with everyone in the street. After a couple of months, they sold up and moved. The neighbours and I had a drink together to celebrate - they were so unpopular!

So thomsongirl - what day do your binmen come round? :hihi:

Originally posted by Tony

Now I want to nominate CARAVANS as a bigger eyesore when parked on peoples drives, not forgetting that people seem to forget that it's illegal to park one on the road! I'm going to start calling the Police to get them moved when they cause an obstruction :mad:

Caravans are a complete eyesore, I agree... Surely they're a ridiculous idea as once the caravan has gone from your back yard, everyone knows you've gone on holiday :loopy:... Might as well leave the door open for the local thuggery...

Obviously one of the big problems with vans must be that when they are large, they can take a lot of light from people's houses, which is inconsiderate. So I can sympathise with anyone who has that problem. I got thoroughly miserable with my neighbour's cruddy old van which never moved from outside my house. I'd do the garden and make it look nice yet at all times it had the lovely backdrop of rusting, rotting metal. I may as well have filled my garden with corrugated iron sheeting.

But if somebody has a drive then I would suppose they can park exactly what they want to park there as it's off the road and not in people's faces.

In all the years I've lived in my house I've possibly been able to park right outside less than a dozen times so I simply don't expect to be able to, and I don't suppose anybody can. All you could hope to expect is at least to be able to be close enough to be parked on the same street! Luckily match day parking doesn't extend all the way up to my house. I suspect it won't be long til we have a 'coner' up my street, but it would be a safe bet they'd get chucked onto the pavement; at times people have to park across drives it gets so bad.