Don't know too much about the route plan but can tell you the supertram from Middlewood is great. I have not caught a bus in 4 years.

On the other hand, the traffic from outibridge to town has meant the tram gets gridlocked in the morning so I have decided to cycle to work in the town centre.

I get to work 5 minutes before the tram!

The traffic through Broomhill is impossible in rush hour, so glad I don't live anywhere near there anymore, bus home to Crookes was a nightmare - just a slow steady (and sometimes not so steady) crawl all the way from High Street in Town, could often walk as quickly.

But would putting a tram route up there really improve things? how many of the people clogging up the roads in Broomhill would actually be able to use the Tram or want to use it instead?

I cannot understand why people would not want the tram running in their areas?Ranmoor and Broomhill have turned it down.But what I can't understand is,wht have the planners tried to send the tram into an area that already has a good bus service?There is a bus through Broomhill every 2 minutes.
If the tram was to come to us at Shiregreen,the operators would make a fortune.
There is one service that serves Shiregreen to City and that is the worst service on the planet.It would be possible to send the tram from Chapletown to the City Centre,and it could go through residential areas all the way.

So if the planners are tuning into the forum,please give the north of the city a thought,instead of the usual suspects up Broomhill,Fulwood,Ranmoor who always get the best of everything anyway.

I dont think the tram to Broomhill would be such a great idea.

There are dozens of buses an hour up to Broomhill and Crookes as it is and the traffic is already like hell on earth without sending the tram up there and all the road works to enable this. How long would that take ?

Send it up to Uncleheed instead!

Originally posted by beckb
I dont think the tram to Broomhill would be such a great idea.

There are dozens of buses an hour up to Broomhill and Crookes as it is and the traffic is already like hell on earth without sending the tram up there and all the road works to enable this. How long would that take ?

Send it up to Uncleheed instead!

Indeed, Broomhill is already served by possibly THE best bus route in Sheffield, ie the 52... So it doesn't need the Tram... And besides, why, when there's both the Sheffield Uni and the Netherthorpe stop in 10 minutes, if that, walking distance of Broomhill would they even ask for it?!

Lazy students....

The 52 is generally a good route, but it doesn't mean potential improvements to public transport should not be considered.

At rush hour the 52 route from Somerfield at Broomhill to Town is basically the longest succession of traffic bottenecks in Sheffield, so even if nominally buses come every 6 minutes or whatever the effect is often that you get 3 buses coming along all at once every 25 minutes.

But to be honest I wouldn't fancy living on the main road up to Broomhill while they built the extensions, and put up with the noise and rattling windows that you would undoubtedly get once up and running.

Originally posted by Yodameister
The 52 is generally a good route, but it doesn't mean potential improvements to public transport should not be considered.

At rush hour the 52 route from Somerfield at Broomhill to Town is basically the longest succession of traffic bottenecks in Sheffield, so even if nominally buses come every 6 minutes or whatever the effect is often that you get 3 buses coming along all at once every 25 minutes.

But to be honest I wouldn't fancy living on the main road up to Broomhill while they built the extensions, and put up with the noise and rattling windows that you would undoubtedly get once up and running.

And that's the clincher, they want the improved service but they would moan and whine like old women on heat (no offense) about the disruption of roads being dug up etc for the laying of tracks...

Yes please! Let's have the tram. In fact let's have it all the way along Fulwood Road and up to Crosspool.

This route would serve a huge number of the people that live in S10 and work at the hospitals and University, It can only be a good thing in the long term.

Why spend all that money (and cause all the attendant disruption) on installing a tramway ? High capacity bendi-buses would be just as good, allow more flexible routing, and be cheaper to operate (one man crew instead of two).

I think any extension of tram routes should use existing disused railway lines. A prime candidate would be an extension of the yellow route out to Oughtibridge, Deepcar and Stocksbridge along the old Woodhead line and there are probably routes available out to the east of Sheffield using old LNER rail links.

The original idea of Supertram was that it should be a fast transit system...but it just cannot meet this ideal if it is routed along city and suburban roads already clogged with traffic.

Originally posted by Tony
Yes please! Let's have the tram. In fact let's have it all the way along Fulwood Road and up to Crosspool.

This route would serve a huge number of the people that live in S10 and work at the hospitals and University, It can only be a good thing in the long term.

I agree they should run a service up to the Hospitals on Glossop Road... Trouble is though, there's already a heavy backlog of traffic goes through there from buses, cars, taxis, ambulances from all 3 Hospitals etc, not to mention students etc with cars parked both sides...

But surely if they were going to do a tram link to the Hospitals they would've done it in the first place 10 years ago?! Or was it the same as the case for a tram link to Stannington, as in everybody objected to it on the grounds that it would cause a lot of disruption while the works were being carried out for it?! :loopy:

I lived on holme lane throughout the works to lay the tram tracks, and was heavily pregnant at the time.

They got to a stage where they were working through the night, which was hell on earth for me as my flat was at the front of the building.

And it is true, if you live on a tram route you can feel them coming before you hear them.

Still think theyre great though :D :thumbsup:

Why do the tram people keep going on about sending it through some of the most arkward places, like Broomhill when the problems are so great.

For instance, Broomhill and Ranmore, on the whole are quite affulent areas and the people there are more likely to own cars, therefore not want to use public transport. They are also more likley to cause a stink about the tram works because of NIMBYism.

There is though two or three routes that would benifit though, such as a line out to Stocksbridge and if the steel works have stopped using the remains of the woodhead line , which I think they have, then the tram could run up there without causing many problems at all.

What about a line up the Parkway to the M1 and beyond to Rotherham and Maltby.
Just imagine how many cars we could get rid of, in the city centre on a morning if the drivers were all parking and riding from the M1. Also linking Rotherham to the system would help no end of people who work in Sheffield every day.

Then there is the idea of a line up Barnsley road, past the Northern general and on to Chapeltown.

Just think, while the snobs and nimby,s of Broomhill and Ranmore are going " on no we dont want your tram" the rest of us could be going to work quickly, cheaply and comfortably on the tram.

Mr Tram man, bring it on.

The whole tram thing does not make any sense to me. We had trams and they scrapped them in 1960 as they no longer served a useful purpose and were considered an outmoded form of transport. SO we have a few more million cars on the road since 1960 yes, but we also have no worse a traffic problem than we did in 1960 before the advent of the ringroad and various bypasses around Sheffield. Sheffield City was still a bottleneck of cars in 1960, any of the older generation will tell you that. If scrapping the trams in 1960 did NOT make sense though, one could argue, as by 1960 anyone could have predicted the growth in cars, they had multiplied successfully every year since 1952 in a big way.

The growthe of cars is set to continue, the annual car sales figures are up significantly every year and show no signs of decreasing. trams will make no difference to this figure......

I thought the idea in 1993/4 or whenever it was to build one in the first placewas rediculous, especially after tearing up a perfectly good but outmoded system in 1960. The total chaos it caused to West Street and Hillsborough was a nightmare and if anything has made the traffic problems progressively worse.


There thats my opinion, I hate the Tram. Only ever used it once and found it horrible....

I was abroad when it was decided to scrap the old tram system but believe the main argument against them was that they obstructed traffic when the stopped to pick up passengers etc.

Why then didn't they simply replace them with electric trolley buses which can pull out of the traffic at pck-up points ?...and are far quieter in operation than either trams or diesel powered buses.

Anyone who wants to ride an old Sheffield tram should take a trip to Hong Kong...I think there are still a few of them running.

The trams cannot come to stocksbridge because of the H&S regulations which mean that if they were to use the exisitng line, they would have to spend £1-2M on concrete alone. They have to have a bed of 6ft by 3ft deep bed of concrete, then the balast (off road) then the rails....silly i know but thats why they're not coming to stocky!!

trainspotter alert :)

Originally posted by jonathanp1
The trams cannot come to stocksbridge because of the H&S regulations which mean that if they were to use the exisitng line, they would have to spend £1-2M on concrete alone. They have to have a bed of 6ft by 3ft deep bed of concrete, then the balast (off road) then the rails....silly i know but thats why they're not coming to stocky!!

2 million on the price of a tram network is a drop in the ocean.

The only reason the tram wont come to Stocksbridge is that it makes too much sense.

We all know, if it makes sense and the people want it, the council will spend the money on something else.

I saw on the lunchtime TV news today that the plans to extend Manchester's Supertram network have been scotched by the govt. An almost doubling of the original estimated costs were given as the reason [from £550m to almost £900m].

Already people have been re-housed and schools relocated along the new routes as well as lots of firms investing in new premises etc. to take advantage of the easy travel to work.

Another stupid trick in this govt.'s "now you see it now you don't" transport policy, and probably a good indication of the treatment we'll get in Sheffield.

i have lived in sheffield for 1 year now and think the trams are a good idea, i live in woodseats and have heard they are going to do a tram service through woodseats all the way to chesterfield, what a nightmare that would be while there doing it, the A61 is a nightmare in rush hour as it is!

Your comments contradict yourself:

For instance, Broomhill and Ranmore, on the whole are quite affulent areas and the people there are more likely to own cars, therefore not want to use public transport.

Just imagine how many cars we could get rid of, in the city centre on a morning if the drivers were all parking and riding from the M1.


The whole Broomhill, Ranmoor, Crosspool, Fulwood area must be the most commuted-from area of the city. Added onto this is the majority of the student population to this, all trying to get through 2 roads into Broomhill, and from there 2 roads into town. Result = complete pain in the arse.

True, there might be more people who come into Sheffield from the M1, but they don't all go through a tiny shopping area like Broomhill on the way -they have proper roads! ;o)

The reason why Broomhill & Ranmoor has been suggested is simple: there is a massive need for it!!! Although i don't think it will happen because of all the NIMBY's :o(

Get the spades out. It should run underground.

Originally posted by cornfed_pig
Get the spades out. It should run underground.

no - OVERGROUND - get a huge monorail built ABOVE the road. Efficient transport, and FUN!!!

The growthe of cars is set to continue, the annual car sales figures are up significantly every year and show no signs of decreasing. trams will make no difference to this figure......


And the only thing that will stop this is the introduction of wide-scale mass transit systems and at the same time making it as difficult as possible for cars to move around city centres.

Government has to stop pussy-footing about on this one. It's not something that they can keep dodging


There thats my opinion, I hate the Tram. Only ever used it once and found it horrible....


Really? Was it the smooth ride that you hated? Or perhaps the spacious seating? Or the fact that it's clean and well maintained?

It seems to me that it comes down to this:

a) If trams run on the road with cars as in most of Sheffield they are a total waste of money. Modern buses are far more flexible and better value.

b) If they can run on their own dedicated tracks as in most of Manchester and parts of Sheffield they are really good systems.

So it really is a no-brainer. If (b) does not apply then do not install tram system. Hence it would be crazy to install a tram through to Broomhill, unless Whitham Road/Western Bank/Brook Hill is closed to motor traffic, which in my view would be impractical.

- Michael

Originally posted by MichaelJP
It seems to me that it comes down to this:

a) If trams run on the road with cars as in most of Sheffield they are a total waste of money. Modern buses are far more flexible and better value.

b) If they can run on their own dedicated tracks as in most of Manchester and parts of Sheffield they are really good systems.

So it really is a no-brainer. If (b) does not apply then do not install tram system. Hence it would be crazy to install a tram through to Broomhill, unless Whitham Road/Western Bank/Brook Hill is closed to motor traffic, which in my view would be impractical.

- Michael

Since the strike I have stopped using buses completely, I now use the tram to get to work and walk a lot. The tram is clean, reliable and comfortable, the opposite of a bus realy.

Originally posted by nick2
Since the strike I have stopped using buses completely, I now use the tram to get to work and walk a lot. The tram is clean, reliable and comfortable, the opposite of a bus realy.

A tram and a bus in the same traffic jam move at the same speed, and in theory buses could and should be a lot better inside.

At the end of the day spending £100s of millions on fixed light rail systems isn't really on - they've just cancelled a big Metro extension in Manchester as realisation set in.

- Michael

Originally posted by MichaelJP
A tram and a bus in the same traffic jam move at the same speed, and in theory buses could and should be a lot better inside.

At the end of the day spending £100s of millions on fixed light rail systems isn't really on - they've just cancelled a big Metro extension in Manchester as realisation set in.

- Michael

Haven't they have just completed a tram system in Croydon, they obviously thought it was a good idea.

Originally posted by hj dary
Why do the tram people keep going on about sending it through some of the most arkward places, like Broomhill when the problems are so great.

For instance, Broomhill and Ranmore, on the whole are quite affulent areas and the people there are more likely to own cars, therefore not want to use public transport. They are also more likley to cause a stink about the tram works because of NIMBYism.

There is though two or three routes that would benifit though, such as a line out to Stocksbridge and if the steel works have stopped using the remains of the woodhead line , which I think they have, then the tram could run up there without causing many problems at all.

What about a line up the Parkway to the M1 and beyond to Rotherham and Maltby.
Just imagine how many cars we could get rid of, in the city centre on a morning if the drivers were all parking and riding from the M1. Also linking Rotherham to the system would help no end of people who work in Sheffield every day.

Then there is the idea of a line up Barnsley road, past the Northern general and on to Chapeltown.

Just think, while the snobs and nimby,s of Broomhill and Ranmore are going " on no we dont want your tram" the rest of us could be going to work quickly, cheaply and comfortably on the tram.

Mr Tram man, bring it on.

The people of Ranmoor n Fulwood did not want the tram because it was going to go along a route which very few people live near- ie, not the main road through. Not much point really. You should not jump to conclusions about these people being "snobs " and NIMBYS just because of where they live or that gives them the right to look down on those less fortunate and call them (maybe you) common, and you wouldnt like that. They may be more prone to NIMBY ism but so would you if you lived in a beautiful area (much of which is conservation area) of which one takes pride in living in and which you wanted to preserve.

The tram would probably have less impact on the "countryside" than all the 4x4's thundering about ?

They may be more prone to NIMBY ism but so would you if you lived in a beautiful area (much of which is conservation area) of which one takes pride in living in and which you wanted to preserve.


So stop polluting it with your car and use a tram. The only pollutants that kicks out are miles away at a power station. :)

im not so sure, at least 4x4's dont need permanent tracks and ugly grey pylons and wires etc. (why didnt they use nice ornamental poles like in the old days)

Does anyone know of any group in Broomhill or around there who are determined to oppose the supertram extension? I could really do with getting in touch with them.
Thanks.

Originally posted by gaffermt
Does anyone know of any group in Broomhill or around there who are determined to oppose the supertram extension? I could really do with getting in touch with them.
Thanks.

Are you for or against the tram ?

Originally posted by nick2
Are you for or against the tram ?

I'm neither- I'm a journalist at the University of Sheffield trying to do a story on the proposals and local feelings toward them.

There's no way the Government will provide funding for extensions to the Sheffield Supertram network.

Recent reports by the National Audit Office identified all the new tram schemes in operation are losing money and many are also not getting the numbers of passengers expected (45% fewer in the case of Sheffield, which is hugely disappointing for the Government).

Manchester has had it's extension plans dropped and Leeds has been refused funds by the Government to construct a network.

The Government is keen to spend more money on the London underground and their transport links to help boost its Olympic bid.

We should be thankful we have the Supertram at all in Sheffield, maybe the should concentrate on making them go faster than we can actually call them super!:thumbsup:

http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/nao_reports/03-04/0304518es.pdf

Does anyone know of any group in Broomhill or around there who are determined to oppose the supertram extension? I could really do with getting in touch with them.

REACT the Riverdale and Endcliffe ACTion group were setup in opposition to the Ranmoor Supertram exstension they are now against the Universities Student Village proposals (adjacent to Endcliffe Vale Road which was on the possible Supertram route) one of their reasons against is the lack of sustainable transport??