Ah well, another great British Hope crashes and burns in the dust....*sniff*

What's betting his coach/physio had to treat him during the last set.. always the same that lad, no killer instinct.

Shame

Ohhhhhh nooooo! What a great shame!:(

ok that's us out of Wimbledon
out of Euro 2004
getting hammered at the cricket one day internationals by NZ and the W'indies
lost 5 out of 6 of the last rugby internationals

hmmm not looking too clever at anything are we :roll:

Are we still good at rowing???

didn't they just hold the world champs.?

i think i recall the women's 4' getting a bronze or summat

but we've never been much kop apart from Mr Redgrave & co

He's an average tennis player, hyped up by hysterical teeny boppers and weeping women...end of story!

I disagree. On his day, like on Monday against Philipousis, he is a damn good player. His main problem is consistency. I expected him to win today but lose in the semi-final since he would probably face Roddick, but he didn't play well today and Ancic had a good game.

The bottom line is that he has been on the circuit for around 10 years and failed to make it to a grand slam final let alone win one. We get the same every year with this hype and it amounts to nothing. IMO he hasn't got the nerve or bottle to win a major tournament.

No, I don't think he has either. I do think however that he has the actual ability, so to call him average is unfair. He needs consistency too though, as well as the nerve, which sadly he seems to lack.

I refer to him as average because at the end of the day your mainly judged on your success and he hasn't had any to write home about. I also believe that his high ranking is down to the weakness of the mens game.

two points....one Tim Henman's biological clock is ticking and there are other good overseas players every year ready to take up the challenge...I fear our dream of a British Wimbledon Champion of either sex is still a distant desire...

2nd I see Urs Meier is being given police protection because of his decision to disallow England's goal in the final minutes of the match against Portugal. I am a football fan but why can't we English admit it was a huge disappointment but the decision was correct. When Saul Campbell rose to head the ball in John Terry clearly has his arm across the Portuguese goalkeeper to make sure he could not get to it. Full marks Urs...shame once more on the biased tabloid press.

Welcome to the Forum angel.ant

I acknowledge your first post as been a good one. ;) :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Lickszz
We get the same every year with this hype and it amounts to nothing.

Well, it amounts to a sackful of extra viewers for BBC, hence the hype I suspect - although the official advice from the beeb was "dont switch off, plenty of good tennis yet to come".

Getting bitchslapped by an unseeded player is not uncommon. Happens to the best of em (as their career passes apogee and arcs down into TV presenting, Exhibition Matches and opening toilet block extensions)

We still ahve something to support.

As, Sheffielders we should all get behind the World Firefighters Games, not only are there a lot of locals taking part (from yorkshire and the humber) but it is being hosted in our City.

I for one will be spending the time frequenting the 6-a-side football tournament as it has the Ducth Firefighters International Team taking part.

I also think that the 'Toughest Firefighter Alive' Contest is held in the peace gardens and so i'd love to go and see a lot of that.

Come on guys, this shoudl eb a real treat. Some excellent sporting events, right on our doorstep!

Wilf

Come off it. Manchester has had the Commonwealth games, Londons bidding for the olympics, WTF do we get? The World Firefighter Games. PLEASE! Weren't the student games bad enough?

Well, t0, considering that the World Firefighters games is as big as the commonwealth games in terms of participants and events, I think we should be grateful for it. You constantly complain about Sheffield being ignored and yet when we do get something, which was wanted by other countries (Both Paris and Rome put in bids to host the games at the same year as Sheffield applied) and you say it isn't enough!

The reason it doesn't get as much press is that it has only been running 14 years bi-annualy, and because it is run solely by firefighters, they have to promote this and they aren't used to having to conduct public relations (they are more used to putting out fires!).

There is no pleasing some people, honestly... :mad:

I take it you will not take part in any community spirit then t0, prefering to say 'this isn't good enough' rather than 'this is just the start'.

Wilf

Correct. It is an absolute joke. Who gives a damn about firefighters anyway? Shouldn't they be busy playing some pool or trying to screw more money from the government?

Originally posted by t020
Correct. It is an absolute joke. Who gives a damn about firefighters anyway? Shouldn't they be busy playing some pool or trying to screw more money from the government?

I look forward to your house burning down, you halfwit.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I look forward to your house burning down, you halfwit.

Of course, nothing bad ever happens in Ecclesall though, does it?

Wilf

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Well, it amounts to a sackful of extra viewers for BBC, hence the hype I suspect - although the official advice from the beeb was "dont switch off, plenty of good tennis yet to come".

Getting bitchslapped by an unseeded player is not uncommon. Happens to the best of em (as their career passes apogee and arcs down into TV presenting, Exhibition Matches and opening toilet block extensions)

Personally I prefer to watch Henman get stuffed with the sound off. Don't have to put up with all the hysterical screams.

Henman doesnt have the flair, he hits a few good shots, but just can't keep up the pressure on the opponent.

He is good, but not world class.

Originally posted by Wavey
What's betting his coach/physio had to treat him during the last set.. always the same that lad, no killer instinct.

Shame

No they didn't have to treat him, boy, you give your guy a hard time ! At least he gets up and has a go, out there training for hours on end rain, hail or shine. Large blocks of time away from his family. You have to be committed to any sport to do that so give the lad some credit. Our boys Philippoussis and Hewitt were knocked out too but I admire them for trying in the first place.
Glass houses and all that guys !!!!!!!

Originally posted by Lickszz
I refer to him as average because at the end of the day your mainly judged on your success and he hasn't had any to write home about. I also believe that his high ranking is down to the weakness of the mens game.

Yes, me again on the same subject. Well it depends what you deem success. How much are you worth Lickzz. In spite of what you think Tim has won titles and is laughing all the way to the bank. No he doesn't have a Wimbledon title under his belt but Wimbledon isn't all that tennis is all about. As for the mens game being weak... well I suspect you haven't sat and watched all the other tournaments, if you had you would know that the mens tour is stronger than it's ever been.

I would equate winning a Grand Slam tournaments to success. I judge him as a Tennis player not how much he is worth. How many people can name a tournament that Tim has won? Exactly, because he has only managed to win small touraments (around a dozen in 10 years on the tour.) So in your opinion the mens game of today is better than it was with the likes of Mccenroe, Lendl, Becker, Borg, Cash, Edberg, Connors, Sampras. Do me a favor pal.

The difference is those guys mentioned above all managed to win many tournments significantly bigger than the French Masters.

I refuse to elevate someone for sentimental reasons...which is what the story is with Henman.

In response to Lickszz reply, the last tournament Henman was the Paris Masters, a 'Super 9' event i.e its one of the top 9 tour events in the tennis calendar.

On the way to this title, he beat Roddick and Federer. Now correct me if I m wrong, average tennis players don't go around beating Roddick and Federer in the same tournament.

Henman is a good player, if slightly inconsistent. If he had a bigger serve, he would have won Wimbledon by now....

Originally posted by BrainThrust
Of course, nothing bad ever happens in Ecclesall though, does it?

Wilf

But I've never EVER said that though, have I? Quoting FACTS that show INCIDENCES are lower doesn't amount to making wild and impossible claims. Think before posting in future.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I look forward to your house burning down, you halfwit.

I've noticed a change in your posting style of late, and this is the best example yet. I look forward to reporting it.

Originally posted by t020
I've noticed a change in your posting style of late, and this is the best example yet. I look forward to reporting it.
What,? You are going to report me for calling you a halfwit?


You halfwit.

Your throwaway attitude to firefighters Who gives a damn about firefighters anyway? Shouldn't they be busy playing some pool or trying to screw more money from the government?

marks you out as such. Especially as the thread is about Tim Henmans spectacular exit from wimbledon, whereupon you turned on BTs optimistic assessment of sport in the city.

I hope the Aussie firefighters (who were given such a warm welcome onto SF when they registered last year to find out a bit more about sheff) don't take you to be a typical example of an articulate sheffield resident.

Because you're not, you are a halfwit.

Please note the use of 'half-wit' as this implies you may yet be redeemed by the remaining half of your wit. I thought I was being pretty generous actually. :D

HO HO HO. OK then, the World Firefighter games excite me and I love how firemen can put peoples' lives in danger in their desperate attempts to force up their salaries. Does that instantly double my IQ? You halfwit.

Stop arguing and wasting my time via pointless reporting of posts t020.

This is your final warning.

Moderator note

Either keep on topic or start another thread re: the fire fighter event or I'll close this thread.

As much as I enjoy watching you two beat each other up if you must do it can you do so in PMs please.

cheers
Nomme

Originally posted by Nomis
In response to Lickszz reply, the last tournament Henman was the Paris Masters, a 'Super 9' event i.e its one of the top 9 tour events in the tennis calendar.

On the way to this title, he beat Roddick and Federer. Now correct me if I m wrong, average tennis players don't go around beating Roddick and Federer in the same tournament.

Henman is a good player, if slightly inconsistent. If he had a bigger serve, he would have won Wimbledon by now....
Correct me if I'm wrong, good players don't make a habit out of losing in straight sets to unseeded players. What happened at the Stella Artois Championships? Henman went out to Karol Back who had never beaten a top 10 player in his life. Henman also Earlier in the year crashed out of the Austrialian open to 258th ranked in the world Guillermo Canas.

Agassi didn't seem to have a problem winning Wimbledon and other tournaments without the need for a big serve.

Originally posted by RPG
Stop arguing and wasting my time via pointless reporting of posts t020.

This is your final warning.

I reported a post by phan that I was fully entitled to. According to the site T&Cs:

"Users shall not post or transmit through this site any material which violates or infringes in any way upon the rights of others, which is unlawful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, vulgar, obscene, profane or otherwise objectionable, which encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability or otherwise violate any law."

How did I pointlessly report the post when it breached so many of these conditions? A threat of arson followed by an insult is worthy of reporting, and I was fully entitled to do so.

Originally posted by Lickszz
Correct me if I'm wrong, good players don't make a habit out of losing in straight sets to unseeded players. What happened at the Stella Artois Championships? Henman went out to Karol Back who had never beaten a top 10 player in his life. Henman also Earlier in the year crashed out of the Austrialian open to 258th ranked in the world Guillermo Canas.

Agassi didn't seem to have a problem winning Wimbledon and other tournaments without the need for a big serve.

I really think, as has been said before, Henman is a good player but he does appear to lose his nerve and lacks a certain brutality and confidence required to make another player back down. The match against Phillipoussos (sp?) previous to this showed Henman in a very good light IMO. He was playing a strong opponent and dealt well with it.

But the expectations of the British public via the media are unrealistic, and to play under that intense pressure must be draining in the extreme. I'm sure he'd rather get on playing good tennis rather than have things like "Henman Hill" introduced into the national vernacular.

He may not be a world champion but he was rated 5th until quite recently, which is no mean achievement.

I blame the media :cool:

Originally posted by t020
According to the site T&Cs:


You mean you actually read the T&Cs? The amount of times you've been let off for bending or even breaking them id have thought you'd not know them from your elbow.

Now, anymore offtopic ramblings I see in this thread and they'll be purged from exsistance.

So. Trainspotters eh?

In reposnse to Lickszz, Henman doesn't make a habit of losing to unseeded players. Karol Beck is a good player, ranked in the worlds top 70 and he played out of his skin that day. It was Henmans first game on grass when Beck already had played a grass court tournament.

As for Guillermo Canas, he is a former top five player who has featured in the latter stages of the French Open / other slams and is no mug on a tennis court.

Andre Agassi was a one off who timed the ball exceptionally well and history shows that the big servers tend to win Wimbledon. Note, Sampras, Ivaniesevic, Kraijcek, Becker, Stich....

Originally posted by Lickszz
I would equate winning a Grand Slam tournaments to success. I judge him as a Tennis player not how much he is worth. How many people can name a tournament that Tim has won? Exactly, because he has only managed to win small touraments (around a dozen in 10 years on the tour.) So in your opinion the mens game of today is better than it was with the likes of Mccenroe, Lendl, Becker, Borg, Cash, Edberg, Connors, Sampras. Do me a favor pal.

The difference is those guys mentioned above all managed to win many tournments significantly bigger than the French Masters.

I refuse to elevate someone for sentimental reasons...which is what the story is with Henman.

Sentiment has absolutely nothing to do with anything Lickszz. Winning tournaments is what gets you to the position of world no 5. To be no 5 in the world is no failure, and lets not forget the the focus that goes into the game of tennis because of Tim. He is making a good contribution to sport whether you believe it or not. The players you mention of course were heros in their day. However if they were to go on a court with todays players they
would be overwhelmed with the strength of the game.