Yes Yes another intolerable woman relaying her suffering.

Actually at the time of posting I am in the golden glow of the aftermath of said curse.

PMT where do I start, I don't like it.

Can men really understand the trauma of this state?


I don't doubt that men have their trauma's too like raging testosterone but my post is about PMT as I have no experience of male conditions. (Men, feel free to educate us women)

Symptoms:

Headache/Migraine, week before
Unquenchable thirst, hours before
depression/everyone hates me , ongoing
intolerance, first few days
exhaustion, first few days
itchy eyes, first day
frog in throat, first day
hot and cold flushes, first few days
painful stomach, first few days
backache, ongoing
contemplate divorce as husband so snappy, eerrrrmmmm, oh is that me?
self loathing/everyone else is so beautiful, ongoing

anyone have any wierd symptoms?

Do we really want to know?

So don't read it, I didn't put a gun to your head.

I'm sure PMT is horrible and wouldn't want to go through it every month. However, a lot of people have pain in their lives in different ways. Non of it is fair. For example, the pains of PMT would not compare to the pains of someone with cancer. PMT is Not a pleasant thing to go through, but it has to be accepted. No one is to blame for it. It's a factor in your life, like depression is to someone who is bi-polar.

Again, I suggest you start thinking about your posts. Being funny is one thing, but if you carry on like this, you will probably get banned. As I said in another post, If you want to make a personal point against someone, then use a PM. Posting these kind of replies leave you open to ridicule.

Again this is way off topic, so lets leave it at that.

Originally posted by bonny
Yes Yes another intolerable woman relaying her suffering.

Actually at the time of posting I am in the golden glow of the aftermath of said curse.

PMT where do I start, I don't like it.

Can men really understand the trauma of this state?


I don't doubt that men have their trauma's too like raging testosterone but my post is about PMT as I have no experience of male conditions. (Men, feel free to educate us women)

Symptoms:

Headache/Migraine, week before
Unquenchable thirst, hours before
depression/everyone hates me , ongoing
intolerance, first few days
exhaustion, first few days
itchy eyes, first day
frog in throat, first day
hot and cold flushes, first few days
painful stomach, first few days
backache, ongoing
contemplate divorce as husband so snappy, eerrrrmmmm, oh is that me?
self loathing/everyone else is so beautiful, ongoing

anyone have any wierd symptoms?


They have no idea, do they bonny


also not remembering what u said from one minute to the next
and painful swollen boobs

You paint a vivid picture bonny. I, for one, was glad the description stopped where it did.

Do you have any other bodily functions you'd care to share with us in great detail :)

The other side to PMT is what we men have to put up with while you ladies are suffering.

Dont take this post the wrong way, its not meant to be a bloke whinging on about women.

My ex had some big trouble with PMT and to some degree thats why she's my ex. Every month she start, it was always the same, she'd become totaly un co-operative, everything me or the kids did was wrong and she was always in the right no matter what.

The arguments that flared up were frightening and usualy very one sided, with me being a by stander as she went round the house shouting.

The final stage was violence, I once had a pan thrown at me, for some minor reason, and then the following week she was sweetness and light again.

I thought twice about putting this post on here as I know Ive opened my self up for all kinds of critisisim, such as Ive heard before, my favorite was "oh you mustn't have been very understanding". Its hard to be understanding when you have a full week of abuse or violence. I know its hard for women as their bodies are going though all sort's, but hard for men too.


There will be other men out there who are having the same problems but men being men, they say anything as they dont want to look soft, but thats all balls, I think its time they opened their mouth's and if needed ask for help. I should have all those years ago.

You women should pull yourself together... only women could invent a convenient and regular excuse for being even more irritable than they usually are for at least 25% of their lives. It's all an excuse I tell you, maybe even a conspiracy. Men just get out there and get on with it. Blimey - the only time you don't get PMT is when you're pregnant, and then you have an whole other set of excuses for being ratty, not turning up to work and getting the men to do everything. Don't even get me started on the implications of HRT on men !!!!!! No wonder men don't live as long!


*Tony pulls his tongue out of his cheek and meekly looks up hoping no women read the post* :help:

ooohhh! tony. You men! You can't live with us, can't live without us.
What does that say about you then:lol: :wink:

Originally posted by Tony
You women should pull yourself together... only women could invent a convenient and regular excuse for being even more irritable than they usually are for at least 25% of their lives. It's all an excuse I tell you, maybe even a conspiracy. Men just get out there and get on with it. Blimey - the only time you don't get PMT is when you're pregnant, and then you have an whole other set of excuses for being ratty, not turning up to work and getting the men to do everything. Don't even get me started on the implications of HRT on men !!!!!! No wonder men don't live as long!


*Tony pulls his tongue out of his cheek and meekly looks up hoping no women read the post* :help:

I like it, It was exactly what I was execting and hoping for, something to make me smile.

Originally posted by Andy78
I'm sure PMT is horrible and wouldn't want to go through it every month. However, a lot of people have pain in their lives in different ways. Non of it is fair. For example, the pains of PMT would not compare to the pains of someone with cancer. PMT is Not a pleasant thing to go through, but it has to be accepted. No one is to blame for it. It's a factor in your life, like depression is to someone who is bi-polar.

I agree with you Andy, I do have experience of Bi-polar and the traumas of cancer in my life. This post was about PMT though. If you dersire I can post you something about these topics.

This was intended to be light hearted.

Originally posted by mojoworking
You paint a vivid picture bonny. I, for one, was glad the description stopped where it did.

Do you have any other bodily functions you'd care to share with us in great detail :)

Not sure what was so vivid about any of the symptoms I mentioned, or what would be classed as bodily functions.

I'm also not sure if you are female or male and why this seemed to offend you so.

Originally posted by bonny
So don't read it, I didn't put a gun to your head.

Now you are just giving the rest of us ideas.

I wonder how much PMT is to do with the fact that through planned parenthood etc, women are having more and more ovulations during their lifetime, whereas in 'antiquity' pregancy (and infant mortality) was a great deal more common. Ovulating is very stressful for the body, especially in women unfortunate enough to have very highly active hormonal systems.

I gather some women, who either suffer from PMT or actual period pains may be prescribed the mini-pill for non-contraceptive purposes (not sure about that one though)

The whole pmt/childbirth thing makes me very glad to be a man. But then my mind just wanders to multiple orgasms and suddenly I'm not so sure we got the best deal after all. :D

Hey listen ladies us lads have to experience PMT every Saturday and sometimes on a Tue or wed too! and as for these last 3 weeks, god hell its been all over the place... on a Sun, Thurs and Mon.... its called.....


Pre Match Tension :)


so we all dont have it easy...... try understanding what we go through... we then experience either..

Post Match Triumph or dare I say it..

Post Match Tragedy!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL

We all know PMT is just an excuse to be EVEN meaner and more confusing to we poor innocent men *looks all woefull and forlorn*! And remember what the great sage said - never trust women - how can you trust anyone who bleeds for a week and doesn't die!

*runs for cover*!!!!

I have never really suffered with PMT....aparently I just made the guys in my life suffer. I never had any problems just got on with it.

Saying that - not having had any female functions since 2001 I not sure I fit in the pmt/s boat anymore. Where until recently this was annoyance - it is currently an absolute blessing!

Moon Maiden

I have to smile - there are more comments from men on this thread so far than from women.

My theory is that men have a fascination about biological problems that women face and want to know more, but are socialised by their peers into belittling them, laughing at them, scorning them and generally dismissing them as revolting and/or unimportant.

A mature and level headed man would have his own independent thoughts and be able to hold a conversation about such a topic without any sort of embarrassment. After all there are more women in the world than men so it's an issue for the majority of the population.

By criticising or laughing about issues on this subject just shows a lack of understanding and shows that the man hasn't progressed further than the school playground.

I'm still amazed at men who childishly cringe (sometimes physically cringe) when a woman mentions that she needs to buy some tampons or announces that she has 'come on'. It's natural - deal with it!

Read/listen and learn and contribute sensibly to these discussions when they arise.

I'll lay off all the jokes about women with a hormone imbalance and a gun.... :-)

I believe that there are supplements that can be taken to help things along a bit. Evening Primrose Oil is good - I was recommended this years ago for skin problems and found that the best available was actually aimed at women with PMT.

Also the B Vitamins - I think B6 and B12 supplements will help.

And the good old hot water bottle on the tummy for the cramps.

Yep, done my fair share of nursing in the home!

Joe

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Now you are just giving the rest of us ideas.

I wonder how much PMT is to do with the fact that through planned parenthood etc, women are having more and more ovulations during their lifetime, whereas in 'antiquity' pregancy (and infant mortality) was a great deal more common. Ovulating is very stressful for the body, especially in women unfortunate enough to have very highly active hormonal systems.

I gather some women, who either suffer from PMT or actual period pains may be prescribed the mini-pill for non-contraceptive purposes (not sure about that one though)

The whole pmt/childbirth thing makes me very glad to be a man. But then my mind just wanders to multiple orgasms and suddenly I'm not so sure we got the best deal after all. :D

Thank you Phan, I knew I could rely on your for some insight to this.

I unfortunatly cannot take any form of fabricated hormone, or real for that matter as I have an extremely high level of Oestrogen anyway. I guess I'm just too much of a woman, lol

Bonny - you tried Agnus Castus root tablets? Supposed to balance you out....

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
Bonny - you tried Agnus Castus root tablets? Supposed to balance you out....
No not yet, but will defo give them a go after your advice. Thanks.

my 10 year daughter has started her periods and has pmt, it is difficult for her to understand and her 15 year brother wants to move out.

I think men and teenage boys also suffer from it, i don`t think it is exclusive to women.

Yup blokies do indeed have hormone cycles - though they are not as pronounced as in women - presumably because there is no physical change associated (i.e. ovulation / period). And is it just my imagination or are pronounced PMT/period hormonal side effects and things like endometriosis becoming more common?

and so they should, why should we keep it all for ourselves, that just wouldn't be fair now, would it. After all, we aren't selfish.

They like to share their agony with us when they're at death's door with a cold or a sniffle.

*just put my helmet on and running for the hills*;)

As a bloke whose been married for 18 years and known my missus since I was 17 (23 years ago nearly).. I've got to the point where I instinctively know when PMT is on the cards. I've been through all the male reactions.. misplaced sympathy in the early days.. a little anger and resentment at one time.. resigned-to-the-fact verbal punch bag at one time or another.. BUT finally I think I understand it (as much as a bloke can) and I think my best plan of action is to lay low, keep my mouth shut and NEVER over react to anything thats being said LOL
And can I say, before I'm hung drawn and quartered, that I know for sure it's no fun and I'm glad it isn't me.

do you want to marry me?

LOL

I didn't say I always used the best plan of action..

Worst plan of action? during a seemingly pointless argument, to say "PMT?" LOL

My previous girlfriend claimed that PMT was fictitious. She suggested that it was an excuse for women to moan and bitch.

Is she right????

P.S I'm taking her to court tomorrow, so it's unlikely that she has ever uttered a word of truth in her life

im only joking when i say this fellas,but womens problems start with men, Menapause,Mensrual,need i go on :D

mental;)
:P :thumbsup:

IMHO if a female says that PMT is fictitious then she must be lucky enough not to suffer from it.

Someone in this thread suggested Evening Primrose and I think someone else suggested the Pill. It's true that these can both help. Going on the Pill didn't particularly help me with the emotional parts of PMT but it did help with reducing period pains and sore breasts which were 2 major bonuses!

However, I do think we woman have a responsibility to be more aware of how we behave when we're feeling pre-menstrual. I know I can become snappy over silly little things so I've learnt to bite my tongue and count to 5 or something when I feel I'm about to react. Then the moment passes and I feel a whole lot better for avoiding a completely unnecessary situation where I might have snapped at someone.

However, I know for some ladies their PMT can be much worse than taking a moment to tell yourself to calm down. My friend's mum has it very bad and becomes a like screaming banshee (according to her ex-partner). She's made an effort to have counselling for it and I think it's helping.

Originally posted by bonny
Not sure what was so vivid about any of the symptoms I mentioned, or what would be classed as bodily functions.

I'm also not sure if you are female or male and why this seemed to offend you so.

I give up! What's the point of using one of those stupid smiley faces if you're still going to take it the wrong way?

er, it was a joke.

the pill isn't advised when you're over 30.
They put me on it when I was 15 and took me off it when i was 33. I didn't go on it cos I was a slapper, it was for clinical reasons and I was frightened to death when I came off it.
My periods now are easier to handle, and I feel more in control than relying on pills. The mood swings, while still there, aren't as severe, and I prefer taking natural stuff.
I wish I'd had the guts to come off the pill sooner. But I had such a bad time as a teen, the thought of it scared the hell out of me.

Men will never fully understand the symptoms of PMT, so can never really make judgement. In sense of an ideal loving relationship, the man should be understanding, while trusting the woman not to take advantage of things. though that is ideal. As discussed, womens symptoms vary considerably, while mens understanding also does.

I'm curious about this idea of a male cycle thingy. I have been told about this before and have always thought that i have some kind of periodic cycle. I go through regular phases when i'm low and less capable mentally. Does anyone have any information on this?

Through observation, I think that the male cycle comes around every three months. That just seems to be the case in our household anyway.

It sounds absolutlely bloody awful, and my sympathies are with you. (not meant to be patronising)
My wife does not get anything like this... I wonder if she realises how fortunate she may be - maybe even women can be ignorant of these problems?
Probably get a bollacking from the womenz for this...

Originally posted by t020
Do we really want to know?
Why not - the forum is about issues, debate, are you uncomfortable with womens issues? I'm not:thumbsup:

Ok, now after that little curtain raiser.........to my real posting intention............

The vagina monologues!

Just kidding.

the only time you don't get PMT is when you're pregnant, and then you have an whole other set of excuses for being ratty, not turning up to work and getting the men to do everything.

Maybe you should get pregnant! your post was full of crap. I was pregnant unfortunately it only lasted 11 weeks. And to say that it is an excuses for being ratty is the most stupid thing ive heard out of the whole pregnancy i actually managed to have 6 days out of my house i was throwing up from the moment i got up which lasted all day i dont think anyone going through that would be able to go to work like that! luckily my boyfreind helped me during the pregnancy and with everything am going through at the moment!

Originally posted by bonny
Ok, now after that little curtain raiser.........The vagina monologues!

Just kidding.

Intentional pun too?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Intentional pun too?

Of course. I'm just so crass

Originally posted by f_g
Maybe you should get pregnant! your post was full of crap. I was pregnant unfortunately it only lasted 11 weeks. And to say that it is an excuses for being ratty is the most stupid thing ive heard out of the whole pregnancy i actually managed to have 6 days out of my house i was throwing up from the moment i got up which lasted all day i dont think anyone going through that would be able to go to work like that! luckily my boyfreind helped me during the pregnancy and with everything am going through at the moment!

F-G, I don't think there was any harm meant by his post. It was just a little humour and was intended that way.

I'm sorry to hear of your trouble at the moment. Hope you feel well again soon.

xx

Umm... sorry if I upset you f_g, it was just a little attempt at humour - you know , all the steroeotypes in a single paragraph :(

sorry tony, just got alot on my mind at the moment am not always like this :-)

No problem ;) Friends! :wave: Hope you feel a bit better in the morning :thumbsup:

Tony, Tony, Tony :rolleyes: tut tut.

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