just read the star were it is saying police to now target youths on off rd bikes.while i agree they are a nuisance and can be lethal i also think if the police and the council got together and got a track for the youths surely this would help. also it would keep them off streets and rds were i live there is 3 fields which would be perfect for biking so what is the problem in the youths using this land.in my opinion we should be concentrating on drug dealers and users more after all the youths could be doing drugs

They should just shoot the idiots that ride about on these bikes, most of them are just going to end up in prison anyway so cost effective in the long run. If they have not got access to somewhere legal to ride them they should not buy them in the first place. How do you know these idiots did not get the money for the bikes from selling drugs in the first place?

oh liza !dont be silly no one will do that for youths theyd much rather do the opposite but drug users of course we help how much does it cost the state to make sure all the smackos has clean needles?n nhs rehab just so they can get clean of course the youths would be better with somewere proper to ride there bikes

The problem is that if the council were to build a track for these morons to race their idiots' playthings around on, and then one of them hurt themselves, the family of the injured party would no doubt complain to the council that they hadn't provided adequate safety for the kids to ride on. They're in a no-win situation. The things should just be banned outright.

They should just shoot the idiots that ride about on these bikes, most of them are just going to end up in prison anyway so cost effective in the long run. If they have not got access to somewhere legal to ride them they should not buy them in the first place. How do you know these idiots did not get the money for the bikes from selling drugs in the first place?
shoot youths let the smackheads live !!!!!!!!!!!!very nice you are i no alot of kids with bikes and they are no drug dealers not every youth is corrupt you no and because they own a bike are going to end up in prison you want to get a life love it people like you who bring youths down:loopy: :loopy:

And who pays for the policing and upkeep of these 'off-road' tracks?


Can't see the sense in buying kids something when there's nowhere to use it, then complaining that someone ought to do something about it ... probably at council tax payers' expense. Surely it's up to the parents to provide their kids with their entertainment, not the tax payer, on a whim.

And who pays for the policing and upkeep of these 'off-road' tracks?


Can't see the sense in buying kids something when there's nowhere to use it, then complaining that someone ought to do something about it ... probably at council tax payers' expense.
be better than paying for the upkeep of clinics for drug users wouldnt it

They should just shoot the idiots that ride about on these bikes, most of them are just going to end up in prison anyway so cost effective in the long run. If they have not got access to somewhere legal to ride them they should not buy them in the first place. How do you know these idiots did not get the money for the bikes from selling drugs in the first place?

Get a life moron there a genuine people out there like my self that ride the bikes as a hobbey and dont cause a nuisance to anybody.


And who pays for the policing and upkeep of these 'off-road' tracks?

all it take is for a farmer with a lot of land they dont use to charge a few quid for a few hours and bonus he gets paid for some land which he does not use.

be better than paying for the upkeep of clinics for drug users wouldnt it
No, it wouldn't. It would be money down the pan just to cater for a minority who think that their pastime is worthy of having other people's money wasted on it.

all it take is for a farmer with a lot of land they dont use to charge a few quid for a few hours and bonus he gets paid for some land which he does not use.

But isn't the problem here, that these riders who get up everyones noses are riding around the streets/public parks because they can't transport their bikes to less populated, legal places.

I really don't have a problem with the kids who go into the woods with their parents and helmets and take it in turns to have a go on the bike. what I do object to is idiot juveniles riding around the pavements on powerful bikes!!

two years ago they hit my cat and killed it, how long is it before its a child!!

it makes me laugh all pulling youths on off road bikes down when what harm are they doing if in woods.Its better than them mugging people or twokin,burgularies or anything else which is serious but nowt said over people dealing drugs in front of our noses come on wake up:mad: :mad:

and yes my child has a bike he no drug dealer and definatley wont end up in prison.all he does in go in the woods with friends couple of hours then brings the bike in.NOT every child with a bike is some mindless thug and as a parent i can not see the problem of using a bike on waste land roads yes i would take away the bike from him he has helmet and everything so why should he suffer and lose something he enjoys if anything happened then it would be me who responsiable not the council

last year when I rung the police ( have rung loads of times since) they told me that they were going to build a track on the top field.....this has never happened!!
These kids are a complete menace, it was only a couple of years ago one of them (aged 15) ran head on into an old man in his car, the lad had to have a brace on his leg and the old bloke had a heart attack!! the bike was stolen, the lad still has crutches!!!

I really don't have a problem with the kids who go into the woods with their parents and helmets and take it in turns to have a go on the bike. what I do object to is idiot juveniles riding around the pavements on powerful bikes!!
Why do the parents buy them these things and let them run riot around the neighbourhood???
We live on Overend and 2 of the local idiots have just obtained new bikes, they have no consideration for any one else and the noise is driving the whole estate crazy, they are riding around now, I know it's not late but this will continue until at least 10.30 tonight.

two years ago they hit my cat and killed it, how long is it before its a child!!
i live on overend and my son has a bike and often goes in overend woods i no the lad you are speaking of as well but i can assure you mine and his friends have helmets and are in the wood

and yes my child has a bike he no drug dealer and definatley wont end up in prison.all he does in go in the woods with friends couple of hours then brings the bike in.NOT every child with a bike is some mindless thug and as a parent i can not see the problem of using a bike on waste land roads yes i would take away the bike from him he has helmet and everything so why should he suffer and lose something he enjoys if anything happened then it would be me who responsiable not the council
well said they have always got sumat to moan about:)

Get a life moron there a genuine people out there like my self that ride the bikes as a hobbey and dont cause a nuisance to anybody.


So you have access to private land to use it on then? It's the kids riding about with no insurance on dangerous bikes up and down pavements and generally being a right pain that most people have issues with. If you have access to somewhere legal to use these bikes then why don't you set up a club for the kids that don't?

i live on overend and my son has a bike and often goes in overend woods i no the lad you are speaking of as well but i can assure you mine and his friends have helmets and are in the wood

Like I say original, I have no problem with the ones that go in the woods.

it makes me laugh all pulling youths on off road bikes down when what harm are they doing if in woods.Its better than them mugging people or twokin,burgularies or anything else which is serious but nowt said over people dealing drugs in front of our noses come on wake up:mad: :mad:So the only choices the youth have today are; illegal off road bikes, mugging people, twoking, or commiting burglaries? God, if only my lads had known that. They really did miss out on life. :rolleyes:

So you have access to private land to use it on then? It's the kids riding about with no insurance on dangerous bikes up and down pavements and generally being a right pain that most people have issues with. If you have access to somewhere legal to use these bikes then why don't you set up a club for the kids that don't?
yes i agree with you but you made out every child was a moron

So the only choices the youth have today are; illegal off road bikes, mugging people, twoking, or commiting burglaries? God, if only my lads had known that. They really did miss out on life. :rolleyes:
lol yes i guess they have you said it not me:hihi: :hihi:

Yes there are morons that dont give a monkey's about other people just them selfs but you carnt put us under the same category, i my self sometimes ride in warncliffe woods at deepcar end and pay alot of attention to horse riders and walkers, when i spot a horse rider i stop and switch off my engine and wait, yes there a some morons that would just fly past and not give a t**s.

So the only choices the youth have today are; illegal off road bikes, mugging people, twoking, or commiting burglaries? God, if only my lads had known that. They really did miss out on life. :rolleyes:
you forgot to mention drugs get plenty of them these days cant they come on now theres alot worse than bikes

this is true but nobody seems to be bothered about the serious things cant work it out:huh:

Sorry neeeeek just did not like the tone of your post i my self have sold my bike at the moment and i have access to a road leagal quad which i use on my car insurance and i am leagaly alowed to have access to alot of qoods and trackes because they are classed as bridal ways which you can drive a 4x4 or any road leagal motor vehicle i.e tax, test and insurance, i will admitt that my bike's were not road leagal but i never rode my bike on the road i did ride on a few bridal ways but always gave priority to walkers and horse riders

Sorry neeeeek just did not like the tone of your post i my self have sold my bike at the moment and i have access to a road leagal quad which i use on my car insurance and i am leagaly alowed to have access to alot of qoods and trackes because they are classed as bridal ways which you can drive a 4x4 or any road leagal motor vehicle i.e tax, test and insurance, i will admitt that my bike's were not road leagal but i never rode my bike on the road i did ride on a few bridal ways but always gave priority to walkers and horse riders
akita just ignore peoples tone on here as you get it alot:hihi: :hihi:

It was intented to have an unpleasent tone as the thread is about illegal bikes. I have no problem with people who have off road bikes when they use them legally and know how to ride, it's the 14/15 year old morons that can't wait until they are old enough and have a job and some money, it's no better than joyriding. Same with the little tossers on those Mini Moto bikes, they deserve a good slap! I have no desire to sound like Bartfast, live and let live is my usual approach but these kids take no responsibility for what they are doing and the risks they pose to other people. I don't care if they kill themselves, it's the others they usually hurt in the process!

It was intented to have an unpleasent tone as the thread is about illegal bikes. I have no problem with people who have off road bikes when they use them legally and know how to ride, it's the 14/15 year old morons that can't wait until they are old enough and have a job and some money, it's no better than joyriding. Same with the little tossers on those Mini Moto bikes, they deserve a good slap! I have no desire to sound like Bartfast, live and let live is my usual approach but these kids take no responsibility for what they are doing and the risks they pose to other people. I don't care if they kill themselves, it's the others they usually hurt in the process!
think that a bit harsh aint really hurting others if they are in woods:mad:

I have friends who live in gleadless, they are constantly plagued by kids running riot on these things, say anything and they just get abuse and threatened with violence. Lot's of people in the flats up that way are elderly and are getting frightened to go out. Wasn't a little girl knocked over by one of these little scroats on a bike quite recently? I guess she was not your daughter.

oh liza !dont be silly no one will do that for youths theyd much rather do the opposite but drug users of course we help how much does it cost the state to make sure all the smackos has clean needles?n nhs rehab just so they can get clean of course the youths would be better with somewere proper to ride there bikes


Ive heard that the norton driving centre has closed maybe the council could take it over and give the kids somewhere to ride

I have friends who live in gleadless, they are constantly plagued by kids running riot on these things, say anything and they just get abuse and threatened with violence. Lot's of people in the flats up that way are elderly and are getting frightened to go out. Wasn't a little girl knocked over by one of these little scroats on a bike quite recently? I guess she was not your daughter.
all the more reason to give them a place to ride their bikes and for your information one of the kids nearly run me over last week so dont come that one:mad: :mad:

at the end of the day a track would be alot safer and would solve most of the problems around here concerning these bikes

Yes but no one is going to give up the land and no one is going to pay for it.

The riders that cause nuisance are mostly those who will not be interested in a formal track.
If the council were to set one up (which is highly unlikely), I'm sure that included in the 'conditions of use' would be insurance at a minimum and probably licence/tax as well.

All those who choose to support the illegal joyriders on roads, footpaths and parks should consider what their opinion will be when a pedestrian child is killed by one.

I agree that some sort of track should be provided. My 12 yr old has a small bike and we have somewhere to go with it, well away from any houses etc,and on private land. A track would be much better though, and it would keep some of the idiots on the bigger bikes off the pavements!

We Have Had Bikes For Years And There Used To Be No Problems Untill Thet Started Producing These Cheap Copies Of Motorcross Bikes, They Are Cheap Witch Means Easier To Get Hold Of For Youths ,to Be Honest They Are Very Porley Made And Unsafe,
The Problem Now Is Weve All Got A Mass Of Kids With Unsafe Machines With No Where To Go On Them, So What Do We Do? Call The Police, They Will Warn Them Only, The Obviouse Solution Is A Ban Of Sales Or Age Restriction, But Then You Say Parents Will Buy Em For Them, The Ansew To That Is If Your Kids Get Caught Being A Nuisance You Face A Prison Sentence , Then See How Many People Buy For There Kids.
There Are Tracks Available For Offroad Bikes Sutch As Armthorpe At Doncaster Witch We Use, This Place Is Marshalled And Legal And Alot Safer Than The Streets,

last year when I rung the police ( have rung loads of times since) they told me that they were going to build a track on the top field.....this has never happened!!
These kids are a complete menace, it was only a couple of years ago one of them (aged 15) ran head on into an old man in his car, the lad had to have a brace on his leg and the old bloke had a heart attack!! the bike was stolen, the lad still has crutches!!!

I really don't have a problem with the kids who go into the woods with their parents and helmets and take it in turns to have a go on the bike. what I do object to is idiot juveniles riding around the pavements on powerful bikes!!
Why do the parents buy them these things and let them run riot around the neighbourhood???
We live on Overend and 2 of the local idiots have just obtained new bikes, they have no consideration for any one else and the noise is driving the whole estate crazy, they are riding around now, I know it's not late but this will continue until at least 10.30 tonight.

two years ago they hit my cat and killed it, how long is it before its a child!!

:huh: i have lived on gleadless all my life and people like you make me laugh ,
1.ever since i was a kid lads have always ride bikes around here
2.people like you have always had something to say
3.if you are going to tell a story get it wright the bike was not stolen also he doesn't have crutches has not had then for about a year and the only reson he did have them was because he come of his PUSH BIKE not a motorbike so lets get storys wright its people like you that make a mountain out of a mole hill.
yes i also live on overend and some people around here are to quick to forget what its like to be a kid also how there own kids were as i have so many times telled people when they slag kids of around here just what there own was like it soon makes them shut up and as for the 2 idiots as you call them i would love to know who they are if you have got kids were they angels?
you all go mad when they sit on the garages ,aslo out side there own houses ,also when they play football,even the little girls playing on the bars got telled to be quiet cos they could not hear there tv :sad: :sad: :sad: can kids do anything wright cos there is just know pleasing you lot i know all these kids around here and none of them have there bikes out late at night also they are all good kids, if you talk to them wright and get to know them you would understand what i am saying the bikes you here late at night dont even live around here and they give other kids a bad name so for god sake give these kids a break if the police had not stoped them from going on the raffie camp then you would not have them on roads or in the woods wish they put more time and money in to real crime like they do kids on bikes so i hope this gives all you hard hearted people that have put these kids down something else to take about :wave:

To all the people who keep saying a track should be built: as I said before, what if one is built and then one of these little idiots comes off and kills themselves on the track? Who's going to be held responsible? You'll get some moron of a parent who never should have had kids in the first place complaining about how it wasn't safe, and trying to sue whoever owns the place (and probably winning, with the way things are nowadays). We didn't have these stupid bikes when I was young and we found other things to do - things that didn't annoy everyone and endanger ourselves and others. Ban them all, I say.

It was intented to have an unpleasent tone as the thread is about illegal bikes. I have no problem with people who have off road bikes when they use them legally and know how to ride, it's the 14/15 year old morons that can't wait until they are old enough and have a job and some money, it's no better than joyriding. Same with the little tossers on those Mini Moto bikes, they deserve a good slap! I have no desire to sound like Bartfast, live and let live is my usual approach but these kids take no responsibility for what they are doing and the risks they pose to other people. I don't care if they kill themselves, it's the others they usually hurt in the process!
Well said, I was going to say something similar. Even if they build places for these idiots they still have to get there, so how will that be? on the roads of course. It is their parents who should be up in court as well as the idiots and give them all a prison sentance. These idiots have no respect for anyone else on the road, a small child can run from behing a parked car, it is'nt the idiot that is killed, oh no it is the poor small child. Everyone of these bikes should be crushed, better still ban the sale of them.

:huh: i have lived on gleadless all my life and people like you make me laugh ,
1.ever since i was a kid lads have always ride bikes around here
2.people like you have always had something to say
3.if you are going to tell a story get it wright the bike was not stolen also he doesn't have crutches has not had then for about a year and the only reson he did have them was because he come of his PUSH BIKE not a motorbike so lets get storys wright its people like you that make a mountain out of a mole hill.
yes i also live on overend and some people around here are to quick to forget what its like to be a kid also how there own kids were as i have so many times telled people when they slag kids of around here just what there own was like it soon makes them shut up and as for the 2 idiots as you call them i would love to know who they are if you have got kids were they angels?
you all go mad when they sit on the garages ,aslo out side there own houses ,also when they play football,even the little girls playing on the bars got telled to be quiet cos they could not hear there tv :sad: :sad: :sad: can kids do anything wright cos there is just know pleasing you lot i know all these kids around here and none of them have there bikes out late at night also they are all good kids, if you talk to them wright and get to know them you would understand what i am saying the bikes you here late at night dont even live around here and they give other kids a bad name so for god sake give these kids a break if the police had not stoped them from going on the raffie camp then you would not have them on roads or in the woods wish they put more time and money in to real crime like they do kids on bikes so i hope this gives all you hard hearted people that have put these kids down something else to take about :wave:



At the end of the day these bikes are illegal!!!

All those who choose to support the illegal joyriders on roads, footpaths and parks should consider what their opinion will be when a pedestrian child is killed by one.
Thats right.
We have the odd youth flying about. Our next door neighbour gets a handful of fine gravel and throws it over the fence into their eyes, they soon get the message.;)

This sort of thing has been discussed on the forum before, anyone who thinks there should be a legal track built in Sheffield may want to read pages 3 and four of this thread

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=118229

To all the people who keep saying a track should be built: as I said before, what if one is built and then one of these little idiots comes off and kills themselves on the track? Who's going to be held responsible? You'll get some moron of a parent who never should have had kids in the first place complaining about how it wasn't safe, and trying to sue whoever owns the place (and probably winning, with the way things are nowadays). We didn't have these stupid bikes when I was young and we found other things to do - things that didn't annoy everyone and endanger ourselves and others. Ban them all, I say.

at the end of the day lets not forget these bikes are ILLEGAL to use unless on private land. the kids and/or parents know this when the buy them and just dont care. Where i live (hackenthorpe) we have a lot of tracks for walking through the woods just at the bottom of my road and all the nobheads go on here and churn the tracks up in the winter so that you can no longer walk on them. They know for a fact they aren't supposed to ride bikes on htere beacause the council has put those big green metal barriers up and some little scrotes had them off with an angle grinder. Cheese wire at head height methinks

To all the people who keep saying a track should be built: as I said before, what if one is built and then one of these little idiots comes off and kills themselves on the track? Who's going to be held responsible? You'll get some moron of a parent who never should have had kids in the first place complaining about how it wasn't safe, and trying to sue whoever owns the place (and probably winning, with the way things are nowadays). We didn't have these stupid bikes when I was young and we found other things to do - things that didn't annoy everyone and endanger ourselves and others. Ban them all, I say.

looks like the goverment is planning to do something:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5235710.stm

people caught using them illegally will have the bike taken away and crushed.

for the past few weeks there has been those stupid motorbikes goin up and our road and on the pavements. a few times i was nearly hit and when u call the police all they say is there really busy and we`ll try to get someone in the area.I wish some one would do sometin before someone gets hurt

The tv news this morning would seem to suggest that you're about to get your wish.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5235710.stm

about time too.

they're completely illegal and guess what PARENTS buy them, talk about encouraging a life of crime.

I'd have to suggest that people buy their kids miniature lownmowers or hedge-strimmers instead.

They're just as noisey, use petrol and dangerous...but at least the little brats could be doing something useful before the inevitable trip to A&E.:thumbsup:

Shame it dosen`t mention Sheffield for the extra money though :(
They`ve been missing from our area for a while but yesterday they were back on the roads and the pavements all around the Birley/ Frecheville area.

Hope this includes the little scrotes that also ride those stripped down scooters as well

Shame it dosen`t mention Sheffield for the extra money though :(


Doesn't look like Sheffield will be missing out on much though - £200,000 divided by 28 areas = £7142.85 each - wow.. what a crackdown that will be :rant:

Just kick the little morons off and stamp on the bikes.

Sadly even if they are taken away they will only find something else to do.. and that could be crime. Would be better to either encourage them to go somewhere organised with their mini-moto or provide alternative contructive amusement. Sadly it all costs money :(

Just kick the little morons off and stamp on the bikes.
And then their family comes around to pay you a visit with baseball bats - nice :loopy:

looks like the goverment is planning to do something:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5235710.stm

people caught using them illegally will have the bike taken away and crushed.
sorry didnt see sheffield as been 1 of the citys benefiting from this

Sadly even if they are taken away they will only find something else to do.. and that could be crime. Would be better to either encourage them to go somewhere organised with their mini-moto or provide alternative contructive amusement. Sadly it all costs money :(


wouldn't it be better for their parents to encourage them to go somewhere organised - or organise something.
but why bother - when they're zooming up the street it isn't affecting them.

As I said before,my son has a small bike, and I can't see any raeson why facilities can't be provided in a city of this size. We have to travel 40 miles to use a proper track in Nottingham. We would be prepared to pay a decent amount to use it.

I would not dream of letting any child of mine ride in local woods etc. I live at the side of a public path, sometimes used as a short cut by these bikers, which is a nuisence, and dangerous. Things have improved though since the council fitted barriers at the top.

I live on the "Valley" and these kids on bikes are nothing but a menace. Do you honestly think that they would keep to the tracks and anyway if you live near the 3 fields, as I do you must know that they already go there and the noise from them is awful. The truth of the matter is they should not be riding these bikes on public roads and land. At the moment they seem to have the upper hand and do just what they want. Council tennan ts who keep these bikes in their houses are breaking the tenancy agreements, if you inform the council of any address were one of these bikes is kept they can take action. Why should lives be blighted with noise and the dangerous actions of a few. Get the bikes and the riders crushed and lets all have somm peace.

i live on overend and my son has a bike and often goes in overend woods i no the lad you are speaking of as well but i can assure you mine and his friends have helmets and are in the wood


You must be joking

Even if a track is set up on private land it can be shut down if neighbours object to the noise - which can be horrendous.

The bottom line is its illegal to ride these things on the road. Why? Because you have to be 17 to have a provisional licence - and where do you put L Plates on these things? There is no MOT, no road tax, no insurance. Those people who think its harmless fun, I guess you also think joyriding and riving without a licence is just a bit of a laugh?

What happens when one of these kids causes an accident? Cause a serious car accident and your insurance company will pay out the £20k or so you owe in damages. But these things are uninsured. Are you prepared to pay that much out for accidents your kids cause on mini bikes?

If the cops catch someone riding one on the street, they should take it off them and not give it them back, simple as.

Reminds me of the case of that old drunk who had his invalid cart taken off him because he kept running into/over people who happened to be in his way too or back home from the local.

He was in the press whinging that it'd left him stranded, but vowing that he'd never stop pickling himself even if he got the thing back!

You must be joking
dont think she is joking as i second it that her lad and friend goes in woods and wears helmet so get your facts right:mad:

You must be joking
heeley ? how would you no what my son does and doesant do not every child with a bike is on pavements id get facts right before accuse when you dont no

Even if a track is set up on private land it can be shut down if neighbours object to the noise - which can be horrendous.

The bottom line is its illegal to ride these things on the road. Why? Because you have to be 17 to have a provisional licence - and where do you put L Plates on these things? There is no MOT, no road tax, no insurance. Those people who think its harmless fun, I guess you also think joyriding and riving without a licence is just a bit of a laugh?

What happens when one of these kids causes an accident? Cause a serious car accident and your insurance company will pay out the £20k or so you owe in damages. But these things are uninsured. Are you prepared to pay that much out for accidents your kids cause on mini bikes?

If the cops catch someone riding one on the street, they should take it off them and not give it them back, simple as.

Well said. Parents who buy these things for their kids are incredibly irresponsible, and the manufacturers should frankly be ashamed of themselves.

im not disputing some youths are bad my point was our kids go in overend wood with helmets and we make sure the bikes are in before 7 at night alot of the time we are in the wood due to been scared the kids will have there bikes robbed.so dont judge everyone on a mindless few please

sorry forgot i own my house im not a council tenant either

Well said. Parents who buy these things for their kids are incredibly irresponsible, and the manufacturers should frankly be ashamed of themselves.
i dont think im irresponsiable i go with my son make sure he ok and id much rather be doing this than have him hanging round streets taking drugs drinking or robbing cars

You must be joking
also if you are local round here like you say then you would no the youths everyone round here is having trouble with are 18yrs old and live at herdings not around overend also tryed taking bikes off younger kids so very sorry but your judgement is very wrong:huh:

too many people are to quick to judge when they dont know the facts:mad: :mad:

I think it is you who ought to get your story right, I know the lads parents, it happened whilst they were on holiday in Greece for his Dads Birthday. The bike was stolen because I know the people whom it was stolen from, on Bankwood close....and the police came a took it away a few days later and returned it to the owners!! I'm not saying he stole it but it was stolen.

I have children of my own and whilst I am not saying they are angels..no kids are!! they have not and will not be a menace to the community. My children are well brought up, good mannered and disciplined. They would not be allowed to own or ride a bike until they are of legal age and ability. I have no problem with any of the kids playing, I know that kids have always had bikes around here...I have lived here most of my life too!! but there seem to be more of them and they are much more powerful!! Like I have said previously I don't have a problem with the one's who go into the woods.
The lads riding around late at night are from around here because I live near to them both and they have both just got new bikes and I see them bringing them in at 11 pm at night.

I have NO problem with the kids on the garages, I have always found them to be polite, I have no problem with them sitting outside their houses...why would I?? or any problem with footballers or the little girls playing on the bars and I agree it is sad that people complain about these kids.
The above are all things that kids should be doing, Riding around on illegal bikes isn't.


:rant: my point i was making was that he didn,t steel the bike as it was made to look and if you know these people as i do am sure his mother would love to here how you pull her son down on the forum cos i no how she went off when it happend with all the slagging her son got also i have not seen none of the lads around here get there bikes out at 11pm at night are you sure you live on the same overend ?the only ones ive seen is people that dont live around here and the problem familys that they have put in the tower house on overend way that dont care cos there moving soon who let there kids on them the parents that do let there kids around here have bikes make sure there in at a resonable time and yes your wright if they go in the woods its ok as there is alot of it that walkers dont go plus i will say if there is a walker or children these kids stop so they dont get in there way and they are well mannard kids if they are spoken to in the wright mannar .
as for the other part of your comments that your kids are so good i thought you would say that was you always with your kids 24/7 how do you know what they did and didnt do just cos they mint have not had it at your door doesnt mean that they didnt get up to know good NO kids are angels and i wish people would understand that as for the other points you made i well agree with you some people need to let kids be kids iam not having a go at you iam just putting my point across like you have done:)

Sorry neeeeek just did not like the tone of your post i my self have sold my bike at the moment and i have access to a road leagal quad which i use on my car insurance and i am leagaly alowed to have access to alot of qoods and trackes because they are classed as bridal ways which you can drive a 4x4 or any road leagal motor vehicle i.e tax, test and insurance, i will admitt that my bike's were not road leagal but i never rode my bike on the road i did ride on a few bridal ways but always gave priority to walkers and horse riders

I think you'll find that bridleways specifically forbid motor vehicles of any kind, you might be getting mixed up with green lanes?

i dont think im irresponsiable i go with my son make sure he ok and id much rather be doing this than have him hanging round streets taking drugs drinking or robbing cars

Just wait until he has an accident then, and then see what you think.

And don't be so stupid; you think that the only things to do are ride illegal motorbikes, take drugs, drink or rob cars? I don't do any of those things, nor did I when I was a kid.

Just wait until he has an accident then, and then see what you think.

And don't be so stupid; you think that the only things to do are ride illegal motorbikes, take drugs, drink or rob cars? I don't do any of those things, nor did I when I was a kid.
awww you was one of the good lads then:)

i dont think im irresponsiable i go with my son make sure he ok and id much rather be doing this than have him hanging round streets taking drugs drinking or robbing cars

:thumbsup: well said i could not have put it know better myshelf:D

Just wait until he has an accident then, and then see what you think.

And don't be so stupid; you think that the only things to do are ride illegal motorbikes, take drugs, drink or rob cars? I don't do any of those things, nor did I when I was a kid.

:suspect: here we go again another mister perfect can you feel the glow of the top of his big head:huh:

Just wait until he has an accident then, and then see what you think.

And don't be so stupid; you think that the only things to do are ride illegal motorbikes, take drugs, drink or rob cars? I don't do any of those things, nor did I when I was a kid.
if he has a accident then that for me to deal with which i will do as for you not doing any of these things proves what a sad life you must lead been on the pc 24/7 judging everyone else :loopy: :loopy:

:rant: my point i was making was that he didn,t steel the bike as it was made to look and if you know these people as i do am sure his mother would love to here how you pull her son down on the forum cos i no how she went off when it happend with all the slagging her son got also i have not seen none of the lads around here get there bikes out at 11pm at night are you sure you live on the same overend ?the only ones ive seen is people that dont live around here and the problem familys that they have put in the tower house on overend way that dont care cos there moving soon who let there kids on them the parents that do let there kids around here have bikes make sure there in at a resonable time and yes your wright if they go in the woods its ok as there is alot of it that walkers dont go plus i will say if there is a walker or children these kids stop so they dont get in there way and they are well mannard kids if they are spoken to in the wright mannar .
as for the other part of your comments that your kids are so good i thought you would say that was you always with your kids 24/7 how do you know what they did and didnt do just cos they mint have not had it at your door doesnt mean that they didnt get up to know good NO kids are angels and i wish people would understand that as for the other points you made i well agree with you some people need to let kids be kids iam not having a go at you iam just putting my point across like you have done:)
the people on these bikes late at night are not local youths i do no that to be a fact !!there is alot of youths coming round this area and harrasing local youths and also trying to pinch items belonging to them

i dont think im irresponsiable i go with my son make sure he ok and id much rather be doing this than have him hanging round streets taking drugs drinking or robbing cars

Are you saying that your sun is ONLY allowed out with his bike with you and that he never takes it out when you are not with him?

Right, there's clearly no point in arguing with the ill-educated idiots who are posting on this thread. By all means, let your kids play with dangerous and illegal toys. Just don't come complaining when someone comes and fines you and takes the toys away.

Fancy saying I lead a sad life because I don't drink, take drugs or rob cars... shows what kind of a person you are, loser.

Are you saying that your sun is ONLY allowed out with his bike with you and that he never takes it out when you are not with him?
yes if im not there then one of the other youths parents are as like i stated alot of older youths are hanging around

Right, there's clearly no point in arguing with the ill-educated idiots who are posting on this thread. By all means, let your kids play with dangerous and illegal toys. Just don't come complaining when someone comes and fines you and takes the toys away.
we are not ill educated idiots and dont call us that again:mad:

Right, there's clearly no point in arguing with the ill-educated idiots who are posting on this thread. By all means, let your kids play with dangerous and illegal toys. Just don't come complaining when someone comes and fines you and takes the toys away.

Fancy saying I lead a sad life because I don't drink, take drugs or rob cars... shows what kind of a person you are, loser.
do you listen they dont use drugs and the nhs give the needles not take them away :loopy:

if he has a accident then that for me to deal with which i will do as for you not doing any of these things proves what a sad life you must lead been on the pc 24/7 judging everyone else :loopy: :loopy:

That's what you said you complete moron. You're clearly so stupid it's absolutely no surprise you're involved with these stupid, annoying and dangerous toys.

And on that, you can argue amongst yourselves.

That's what you said you complete moron. You're clearly so stupid it's absolutely no surprise you're involved with these stupid, annoying and dangerous toys.

And on that, you can argue amongst yourselves.
me a moron i was been sarcastic you pillac

the people on these bikes late at night are not local youths i do no that to be a fact !!there is alot of youths coming round this area and harrasing local youths and also trying to pinch items belonging to them

i would not bother original cos theys people dont care about that all they see is every kid that rides bikes are all little b*******if they didnt have bikes to go on about it would be something else that youths do cos thats all you here youths have done this youths have done that is it any wounder most of them are like they are when people pull them down all the time and class them all the same:sad: :sad: :sad:

Well, to be honest most of them are!

Well, to be honest most of them are!

some of them may be but most of them are not the ones we are on about are not

some of them may be but most of them are not the ones we are on about are not
waste of time explaining a youth wears a tracksuit and a cap they a druugie thief nuisance youth.this is how people portray youths these days and nine out of ten these are normal 14 15 yr olds the youths have lost before they start

It seems that some posters on this thread don't appreciate the meaning of the term 'legal'.

It is not legal to use these bikes anywhere but on private land. End of story.

'In the woods' isn't legal if these woods are an amenity space with public access.

Parents allowing their kids to use these bikes anywhere but on private land, with the owners permission, are allowing/encouraging their kids to break the law; and are party to the offence.

Breaking this law may not seem as serious as thieving, twocing or getting involved with drugs, but kids, especially young kids, aren't going to have much respect for any law if their parents pick and choose which law they should observe and which they can ignore.

The answer seems to be simply to ban the sale of these bikes.

Whether these bikes are being used on the road or in woodland makes no difference, its still illegal. The woodland is owned by the council or private so its either trespass or misuse of a public area. I can't imagine the bikes get carried all the way there, either.

I don't know, its a sorry state of affairs when parents have to choose between 'grades' of illegal behaviour to find suitable pastimes to keep their kids busy. :huh: It's like having to decide between eating staffie or poodle turds for your tea - both are simply wrong choices, just one's a bit more 'trendy'.

think that a bit harsh aint really hurting others if they are in woods:mad:

It certainly can hurt others even in the woods. My old flat used to back onto a wooded area and the noise was so loud at times it was almost painful. The bikers were not allowed to ride in the wood but it didn't stop them. And what about people who might be out for a walk? And children playing? If it is in a wood that is a designated area for off-road bikes then fine, but not just on any spare bit of land.

I have friends who live in gleadless, they are constantly plagued by kids running riot on these things, say anything and they just get abuse and threatened with violence. Lot's of people in the flats up that way are elderly and are getting frightened to go out. Wasn't a little girl knocked over by one of these little scroats on a bike quite recently? I guess she was not your daughter.

I live in Gleadless and there seems to be loads of them about. I had four of them riding around where I lived just a couple of nights ago, along the footpaths that run between the houses and flats. They then sat circling a bunch of screaming, giggling teenage girls for about 5 minutes right outside an old people's home. This was around 9pm and right outside their bedroom windows (literally a matter of 5-6 feet away) - the people inside must have been terrified.

It seems that some posters on this thread don't appreciate the meaning of the term 'legal'.

It is not legal to use these bikes anywhere but on private land. End of story.

'In the woods' isn't legal if these woods are an amenity space with public access.

Parents allowing their kids to use these bikes anywhere but on private land, with the owners permission, are allowing/encouraging their kids to break the law; and are party to the offence.

Breaking this law may not seem as serious as thieving, twocing or getting involved with drugs, but kids, especially young kids, aren't going to have much respect for any law if their parents pick and choose which law they should observe and which they can ignore.

The answer seems to be simply to ban the sale of these bikes.

But that penalises everyone. I am sure there are people who are more responsible. I think the idea of taking them away and crushing them is a good one. This would depend on the police actually catching the offenders though.

It also seems environmentally unfriendly I have to say, so maybe there is some other use for them.

It certainly can hurt others even in the woods. My old flat used to back onto a wooded area and the noise was so loud at times it was almost painful. The bikers were not allowed to ride in the wood but it didn't stop them. And what about people who might be out for a walk? And children playing? If it is in a wood that is a designated area for off-road bikes then fine, but not just on any spare bit of land.

What about the wildlife? People walking the dog? The plants that end up covered in oil? The land that gets ruined by being churned up?

I live in Gleadless and there seems to be loads of them about. I had four of them riding around where I lived just a couple of nights ago, along the footpaths that run between the houses and flats. They then sat circling a bunch of screaming, giggling teenage girls for about 5 minutes right outside an old people's home. This was around 9pm and right outside their bedroom windows (literally a matter of 5-6 feet away) - the people inside must have been terrified.

also once I was in a car driving in a built up area when one of these idiots came hurtling across a give way road end and he was lucky we were doing the speed limit else we may not have stopped in time (a lot of people do speed and would have creamed him completely). People like this simply should not be allowed these bikes.

One of the points everyone seems to be missing is that the woods is one of the most dangerous places to ride a motorbike, underage or not! The footpaths are narrow, site lines are shocking and dogs, children and even walkers can be found all over the woods of Gleadless Valley, cos they are proper beautiful!
It is of course illegal to ride the bike on any council owned land, if you can get a private landowners permission then its okay.
personally, i would prefer bikers to be in open space where i can see them coming and get kids, dogs, grannies etc out the way in good time- if they have to be anywhere. And I would prefer if all the bikes in the valley had silencers and didnt leave lingering fuel smells behind them as i try to enjoy the countryside in the city- still I know I cant have everything. So a plea to those with bikes and kids with bikes to stay out the woods please!!!!! I know most of the lads are respectful enough of other users and do stop to let you pass, but some unfortunately aren't, so I am pretty sure the council will continue to try (mostly fail) to prevent bikers from accessing the woods, open spaces and wildflower meadows to try and prevent any more accidents happening. Oh well....

im not disputing some youths are bad my point was our kids go in overend wood with helmets and we make sure the bikes are in before 7 at night alot of the time we are in the wood due to been scared the kids will have there bikes robbed.so dont judge everyone on a mindless few please

You mention that your kids ride their bikes in the woods in the Overend area - where exactly is the wood where riding of these bikes is permitted? Are there any areas of woodland in Sheffield where this activity is permitted? Maybe Squeakyclean can tell us?

I have complained to the police about kids riding bikes in the woods before. It is horrendously noisy to people who live by the woods and is dangerous to anyone using the woods for other reasons.

What about the wildlife? People walking the dog? The plants that end up covered in oil? The land that gets ruined by being churned up?

Exactly, the list can go on and on.

just read the star were it is saying police to now target youths on off rd bikes.while i agree they are a nuisance and can be lethal i also think if the police and the council got together and got a track for the youths surely this would help. also it would keep them off streets and rds were i live there is 3 fields which would be perfect for biking so what is the problem in the youths using this land.in my opinion we should be concentrating on drug dealers and users more after all the youths could be doing drugs
seems this is getting out of hand i live near the wood yes there is local youths who are just out the odd hour in the wood causing no hassle but also we have alot of older youths here to and the local lads seem to be getting blame for it all.yes i have seen parents with the youths also i must say some old folk watching the kids who to admitted they as harmless as are not flying about everyone seems to be able to spout over the bikes but what over the drugs you all saying that ok are you?not everyone is the same but as stated it is illegal but could be doing alot worse couldnt they?

seems this is getting out of hand i live near the wood yes there is local youths who are just out the odd hour in the wood causing no hassle but also we have alot of older youths here to and the local lads seem to be getting blame for it all.yes i have seen parents with the youths also i must say some old folk watching the kids who to admitted they as harmless as are not flying about everyone seems to be able to spout over the bikes but what over the drugs you all saying that ok are you?not everyone is the same but as stated it is illegal but could be doing alot worse couldnt they?
well said liza it no use trying to get your point across on here,:mad:

seems this is getting out of hand i live near the wood yes there is local youths who are just out the odd hour in the wood causing no hassle but also we have alot of older youths here to and the local lads seem to be getting blame for it all.yes i have seen parents with the youths also i must say some old folk watching the kids who to admitted they as harmless as are not flying about everyone seems to be able to spout over the bikes but what over the drugs you all saying that ok are you?not everyone is the same but as stated it is illegal but could be doing alot worse couldnt they?
thanks this is what im trying to say at least we are trying to supervise them and also working with the council but we are been called very much as people are judging everyone with a bike the same

paedophiles,rapists,murders.dealers.twockers.junki es.arsonists,burgulars,muggers,all children born to parents some very respecful parents as well may i add.but this is what world we live in and if getting a fine for stood watching my child on a bike hurting no 1 damaging nothing either then im prepared to do that as i no they are not hanging round in gangs causing disturbances or any other problems to society every child does something like i have stated so until yours grow up id be careful on what you say as i bet alot of rapists parents etc thought there child wouldnt grow up in to something like that.so yes im prepared to take a fine for something so minor at side of other peoples offences

The defensiveness on this thread is unbelievable. Its all 'My kid has a bike, but he's doing no harm, they're only in the woods' responses and 'would you rather he did drugs?' No, I'd rather they didn't do anything illegal actually. I brought up a family, so I know that kids want what their friends have, and sometimes, hard as it is, but rather than break the law, parents have to say 'no'. If you are prepared to take children to the track, (I believe there is one in Doncaster which isn't a million miles away), and commit some time to them riding in a safe environment then fair enough. If there is work going on in Gleadless Valley with the council, isn't there a residents' group that could start raising money to set up a track - even bid for lottery money for it? Just a thought.

Where I used to live, we couldn't have a peaceful weekend with kids on these bikes in the fields behind our homes. How do you think they got their bikes into the fields....they drove them there on the roads and footpaths - illegally.

However, I am impressed with how many well off people there are on the forum who can afford to buy motor bikes for young kids. Changed days eh!

The defensiveness on this thread is unbelievable. Its all 'My kid has a bike, but he's doing no harm, they're only in the woods' responses and 'would you rather he did drugs?' No, I'd rather they didn't do anything illegal actually. I brought up a family, so I know that kids want what their friends have, and sometimes, hard as it is, but rather than break the law, parents have to say 'no'. If you are prepared to take children to the track, (I believe there is one in Doncaster which isn't a million miles away), and commit some time to them riding in a safe environment then fair enough. If there is work going on in Gleadless Valley with the council, isn't there a residents' group that could start raising money to set up a track - even bid for lottery money for it? Just a thought.

Where I used to live, we couldn't have a peaceful weekend with kids on these bikes in the fields behind our homes. How do you think they got their bikes into the fields....they drove them there on the roads and footpaths - illegally.

However, I am impressed with how many well off people there are on the forum who can afford to buy motor bikes for young kids. Changed days eh!

I don't understand this mentality either. The law exists for a reason, to protect people and society, and you can't just pick and choose which laws to follow because breaking some is 'less bad' than breaking others. Does this mean it's OK if I threaten someone with a big stick as it's 'less bad' than threatening them with a big gun?

Both my brothers wanted bikes at a young age (proper bikes) but my father had more than enough of a handle on his own children and refused to allow this until they were 17 and it was legal. They didn't get in a strop and go and fill their veins with smack or go and mug old ladies as they were lacking in leisure pursuits, either, despite one of them being quite a bad lad. It's called discipline.

There are places that kids can go to play on their little bikes, legal places, so they should be using them. Aside from anything else it will be safer for them and the families won't be at risk of getting their a*ses sued off if they cause an accident or damage.

if he has a accident then that for me to deal with which i will do as for you not doing any of these things proves what a sad life you must lead been on the pc 24/7 judging everyone else :loopy: :loopy:
What a stupid person you must be, what if he kills a child? will you deal with that. You don't sound any better as a parent than these idiots who are riding about on these things. CRUSH THEM ALL NOW and lets get this problem dead and buried out of the way before my grandchildren or anyone elses children finish up dead and buried.

What a stupid person you must be, what if he kills a child? will you deal with that. You don't sound any better as a parent than these idiots who are riding about on these things. CRUSH THEM ALL NOW and lets get this problem dead and buried out of the way before my grandchildren or anyone elses children finish up dead and buried.
dont be so thick were we let them ride the only thing they could hit is a tree it is totaly isolated you moron unless you are prepared to let you grandchildren wander the depth of the woods alone:loopy: :loopy:

What a stupid person you must be, what if he kills a child? will you deal with that. You don't sound any better as a parent than these idiots who are riding about on these things. CRUSH THEM ALL NOW and lets get this problem dead and buried out of the way before my grandchildren or anyone elses children finish up dead and buried.
sorry but i have to admit as well i have witnessed these parents with the youths and they are nowere near anyone and once out of the wood the bike is then pushed not rode.i dont like bikes but as i keep stating it is not everyone who owns 1 at least these parents are with the youths in isolated areas they could leave them to it as many do wouldnt you say/i think you are been totally unfair and im sure original meant if her son hurt himself then it would be her concience that she had purchased the bike for him

I hope these kids all wear bike leathers and helmets, or they're playing suicide. Anyone who's ever had a proper bike will know that one of the things you do is fall off it, especially when learning. And young people do not have as good hand-eye co-ordination or depth perception as adults. It's only the helmets and leathers that stop you getting serious injuries. Brain damage can happen to someone falling from a walking horse, never mind a 60mph bike.

These things were made for use by adult motor cycle enthusiasts, not kiddies.

I hope these kids all wear bike leathers and helmets, or they're playing suicide. Anyone who's ever had a proper bike will know that one of the things you do is fall off it, especially when learning. And young people do not have as good hand-eye co-ordination or depth perception as adults. It's only the helmets and leathers that stop you getting serious injuries. Brain damage can happen to someone falling from a walking horse, never mind a 60mph bike.

These things were made for use by adult motor cycle enthusiasts, not kiddies.
yes they do and thank you like i said we do supervise them to

yes they do and thank you like i said we do supervise them to

Must be very expensive buying a new set of leathers and a new helmet every six months as the kids grow. Have they also had qualified instruction?

Though of course they won't have any insurance. Have the parents factored in the costs if an accident happens to a member of the public or if the land owner decides to sue for damage?

i have access to a road leagal quad which i use on my car insurance and i am leagaly alowed to have access to alot of qoods and trackes because they are classed as bridal ways which you can drive a 4x4 or any road leagal motor vehicle i.e tax, test and insurance, i will admitt that my bike's were not road leagal but i never rode my bike on the road i did ride on a few bridal ways but always gave priority to walkers and horse riders

Gotta correct you there AKITA.
You are NOT allowed to drive/ride ANY form of motorised vehicle on a bridleway:nono:!
Even if said vehicle is taxed, tested and insured.
Bridleways are for Horse, Cycle and foot traffic ONLY.

Regarding your use of Wharncliffe Woods.........BEWARE!

See the post by 'oldgreen'
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=9170&page=14

You aint allowed to play in there either:suspect:

also once I was in a car driving in a built up area when one of these idiots came hurtling across a give way road end and he was lucky we were doing the speed limit else we may not have stopped in time (a lot of people do speed and would have creamed him completely). People like this simply should not be allowed these bikes.
I have to say that one day last week i was waiting for the bus home from the local shops in a built up area and on a main road in rush hour, the road was very busy and there were 2 young lads on bikes, one about 15 other about 13 neither with a helmet, and both riding up and down the pavement outside of the shops, then straight out into the stream of rush hour traffic, they were not stopping or pausing just cutting straight out from the pavement accross the main road and onto the side streets, once the younger lad couldn't get the bike over the kerb and my heart was in my mouth, i must have been there for 20 mins and the lads just carried on unstopped as if it was their right to do so.
At times i was really afraid for these lads and road users, and wish i had my mobile to ring the police, they were not safe and neither was anyone else around the shops.....surely their parents knew this was happening , i do not believe they didn't, i would have been deeply afraid and ashamed had this been my children.:rant:

paedophiles,rapists,murders.dealers.twockers.junki es.arsonists,burgulars,muggers,all children born to parents some very respecful parents as well may i add.but this is what world we live in and if getting a fine for stood watching my child on a bike hurting no 1 damaging nothing either then im prepared to do that as i no they are not hanging round in gangs causing disturbances or any other problems to society every child does something like i have stated so until yours grow up id be careful on what you say as i bet alot of rapists parents etc thought there child wouldnt grow up in to something like that.so yes im prepared to take a fine for something so minor at side of other peoples offences

It isn't the world we live in actually. The type of people you mention are very rare. The kind of crimes you mention are very rare. You believe your children are not hurting anyone and not damaging anything. This simply isn't true. What about the people who live near the woods? What about the people who want to use the woods for legal reasons but are scared of getting run over by some kid on an illegal bike? What about the environmental damage? You seem to think that if your children are not on their bikes in a wood somewhere then they will be out committing some sort of other crime, that the crime they are committing with your help isn't as bad as the crimes they could be committing. You have a very strange sense of morals if you think that some crimes are ok to commit whereas others are not. You have no way of stopping an accident happening in the woods, of someone innocent being hurt because your children are riding their bikes illegally. And if you think it is stopping your children committing other crimes then that shows very little confidence in your own children or the way you have brought them up. The vast majority of young people are NOT out committing crimes (be that parent-sanctioned or not), they pass their time in a law-abiding way without putting others in danger. Parents such as yourself are the reason why some kids become so unruly - what sort of example have your kids got when their parent is so willing to break a law that is in place to protect others? No wonder there are a minority of kids growing up wth no respect for anything, including the law.

dont be so thick were we let them ride the only thing they could hit is a tree it is totaly isolated you moron unless you are prepared to let you grandchildren wander the depth of the woods alone:loopy: :loopy:

A child doesn't have to be alone to be run over. And it isn't only children who can be run over. How can you possibly know that there is no one else in the whole woods? And what gives you the right to use the woods for your illegal purposes and prevent other people from using them legitimately because they are too worried about being run over?

heeley ? how would you no what my son does and doesant do not every child with a bike is on pavements id get facts right before accuse when you dont no
How do you know what your son is up to when he's out and your in the house. You should try watching the antics of the bikers on Overend Drive. However someone hasn't been killed yet is a mystery. They zoom round a blind corner at speed and also race up the grass bank onto the road and on more than one occasion have missed cars and children by a hairs breadth.
Wether your sion is one of them or not I have to ask myself what responsible parent would buy their child something that puts them on the wrong side of the law.

Well said Banesmabes, but you're fighting a losing battle trying to point out logic to Original. He/she will simply resort to sophistry, abuse or just posting messages which make little or no sense in broken English.

How do you know what your son is up to when he's out and your in the house. You should try watching the antics of the bikers on Overend Drive. However someone hasn't been killed yet is a mystery. They zoom round a blind corner at speed and also race up the grass bank onto the road and on more than one occasion have missed cars and children by a hairs breadth.
Wether your sion is one of them or not I have to ask myself what responsible parent would buy their child something that puts them on the wrong side of the law.
i agree with you and have seen the youths all i was saying is my son only has the bike out when me or another parent is there.and this is due to the others you are speaking over

been following this thread.i myself have alot of trouble with youths on overend but i admit they are not the local lads !i also witness the youths on the bikes as well as there parents and never see them without a parent when they have there bikes(usually day time)i think in a way i have to credit them for staying and supervising them also the area of woodland they use is very deserted you wouldnt find people walking around in that part of the wood.we all suffer through youths and i have had arguments with a few forumers over their child on here but i have to admit when they are been slandered when these parents are at least trying

been following this thread.i myself have alot of trouble with youths on overend but i admit they are not the local lads !i also witness the youths on the bikes as well as there parents and never see them without a parent when they have there bikes(usually day time)i think in a way i have to credit them for staying and supervising them also the area of woodland they use is very deserted you wouldnt find people walking around in that part of the wood.we all suffer through youths and i have had arguments with a few forumers over their child on here but i have to admit when they are been slandered when these parents are at least trying

Their parents are helping their children break the law - simple as that. Again I would ask how someone could possibly know that no one else is in the woods who could potentially be hurt, not to mention the environmental impact and noise pollution caused.

i agree with you and have seen the youths all i was saying is my son only has the bike out when me or another parent is there.and this is due to the others you are speaking over

Right, so because you're there nothing's going to happen? They're not going to hurt themselves or anyone else? They don't make noise that disturbs people and wildlife? They don't pollute the area and chop up all the earth with their bike tyres? Just because you're there to 'supervise' doesn't make it any less illegal, nor does it mean that accidents aren't going to happen.

i agree with you and have seen the youths all i was saying is my son only has the bike out when me or another parent is there.and this is due to the others you are speaking over

just because there isnt normally anyone else there when your child(ren) ride on the bikes, doesn't mean that there never will be. you use it, so why would no one else? if someone was injured because of this, you could be sued, how would you deal with that? your presence in no way removes the danger posed to others using the woods, how could it possibly? would you wrestle the child off the bike if an accident looked likely? i dont think so. you say that riding the bikes is better than taking drugs etc. its the same love, illegal. there is not a sliding scale of the seriousness of crimes, drinknig under age is as illegal as riding motorised bikes on public land.

You should try watching the antics of the bikers on Overend Drive.

That would be ILLEGAL bikers, if you don't mind.:rolleyes: Thankyou:wink:

mmmm tricky one because you do have genuine kids who do have these bikes but the only ones that I have seen are the one,s that deal in drugs. ride up and down our street (main street) police have raided this house god knows how many times for drugs, the police know that they are dealer,s and are pimps but they still re-house them in nice areas, and these are the ones that ride up and down our street

been following this thread.i myself have alot of trouble with youths on overend but i admit they are not the local lads !i also witness the youths on the bikes as well as there parents and never see them without a parent when they have there bikes(usually day time)i think in a way i have to credit them for staying and supervising them also the area of woodland they use is very deserted you wouldnt find people walking around in that part of the wood.we all suffer through youths and i have had arguments with a few forumers over their child on here but i have to admit when they are been slandered when these parents are at least trying

If the 'bikes' are being used in a more deserted part of the woods then its all the more reason not to be using them there, as the area is more likely to be home to wildlife which will be permanently damaged due to this. We have little enough wildlife as it is. 4x4 drivers regularly get hauled over the coals for driving in unauthorised off road places and causing damage, why should mini-bikes be any different?

And I think that in some ways the fact that parents are supervising and thus condoning this activity is worse than if they were allowing it to go on unsupervised. If it was unsupervised then at least there might be the reason that they are kids and don't know any better and just need to be taught sense/the law. If parents are there then they are giving their approval of illegal, dangerous and harmful behaviour. What kind of a sick, twisted message does that give to kids?

This thread is getting stupid now i agree with the originator of the thread but dissagree because i am a biker, off road leagal driver my self, and this thread is a reacuring thread that can be argued and disscussed several times and nothing will ever come of it so i think it time to stop.

i agree with you and have seen the youths all i was saying is my son only has the bike out when me or another parent is there.and this is due to the others you are speaking over


:shakes: I would not bother to keep explaning yourshelf original, cos the people on here just will not agree with anything you say .
All they see is every bike riders parents are unfit parents,when at the end of the day your only trying your best ,pitty they have nothing better to do but pull parents and youths down.
Like i've said before ,there are some people on here that there views are well out of order with the way they refer to youths and what people should do to them .
Was you not a kid yourshelf once or are you to quick to forget what it is like growing up in this world ,yes we may not have had money to have things that kids have these days and so many say we didn't do that when we where kids , what a load of crap, people riding motorbikes around like these kids have gone on for donkeys people who talk in the wright manner said that it was like that when they where kids ,thats people who are in there 50 to 60 now .
Everything most of these youths do has gone on for time ,so all them people stop being know all give parents that do care a break (thank you) cos there are them that do care and them that dont a bit like this country.
We have more to worry about like the mess are NHS is in, No houses,State money which we all work to pay for ,are country will sink if they don',t close the flood gates, stop and think why these kids are as hard as they are its cos there up againts crime and killers that this goverment has let in .
How many times do you read bikes have hit or killed people (very rear), how many times people thats come here from other countrys kill people,mug ,rape,stab and yes fiddle are state money (all the time)
so worry about more up setting things instead of theys kids that there only crime is noise that there bikes make .
Hope my view didn't up set no-one but i thought i would put it across like everyone else has:love:

Sorry valley mob, but although you may have some good points there, I had to give up reading that post half way through due to lack of punctuation.

Not being pedantic, just letting you know how difficult it is to read. :thumbsup:

Sorry valley mob, but although you may have some good points there, I had to give up reading that post half way through due to lack of punctuation.

Not being pedantic, just letting you know how difficult it is to read. :thumbsup:

:wow: sorry but it is late and when you have been working all day i just wanted to put my view across before i take my dog for a walk some of use do have to rush cos there is so much to do and not all the hours in one day to fit it all in:D :thumbsup:

Sorry valley mob, but although you may have some good points there, I had to give up reading that post half way through due to lack of punctuation.

Not being pedantic, just letting you know how difficult it is to read. :thumbsup:

Have to agree with this, I couldn't read past the first few lines because it is all in one block.

It's funny how people who are rabidly against 'DRUGZ!!!' tend to have a poor grasp of spelling, grammar, punctuation, and the presentation of a coherent argument.

Kids on bikes.My son was 10 and my daughter 7 when I bought their first of road bikes.I took all 3 bikes, I had one too, on a trailer to Parkwood Springs where riding was allowed.
Do some parents now buy the bikes and just let their kids go anywhere on them? The easy part is buying them, but to spend time with the kids seems to be too much trouble.
If you,re not prepared to make sure your kids are riding safely and legally without making a nuisance to other people, you should,nt buy the bikes.

It's funny how people who are rabidly against 'DRUGZ!!!' tend to have a poor grasp of spelling, grammar, punctuation, and the presentation of a coherent argument.


:shakes: :shakes: As i said some people on here really have got such :sad: :sad: lifestyles , when all they can do is pick up on a person for there spelling or there grammer, i'am very sorry , didn't think that we where writting to people with superlative degree,it most be so hard to be so cleaver.
Do hope you grow up soon as it looks like you really need to.:idea:

dont worry vally mob your not on your own :thumbsup:

dont worry vally mob your not on your own :thumbsup:
thanx it good to see people on our side cheers hun:)

dont worry vally mob your not on your own :thumbsup:

:) nice to hear from someone who agrees that some people are just so so :sad: thank you xsarahx

There is a lot to worry about in this country, as you say.
However, our society and the aim of peaceful living is founded upon the rule of law.
These laws are not plucked out of thin air by some high and mighty, but are the result of agreement of the majority and our representatives.
What gives you any right to choose which laws you will obey or not.

The gradual degradation of social society is accelerated by acceptance of minor crime/illegal behaviour.
The little <removed> that think they can get away (and they can!) with breaking bus-shelters, riding mini-motos, destroying property etc. grow up thinking that they can break laws as they choose.
... and more serious laws get broken later on.

The rot has been accelerated by the reaction of the police to beaurocratic control leading to there no longer being any leeway for 'common sense' policing.
The community (all sensible residents) need to be able to exercise a level of local control as they always used to.

That has all gone because of the willingness to arrest/charge the person defending his property or locality.

Until the police and courts recognise our right to keep our own neighbourhoods safe (without GBH etc.) we will continue down this slope towards anarchy (disregard for the law).

Agree with all of that cg except perhaps for...


These laws are not plucked out of thin air by some high and mighty, but are the result of agreement of the majority and our representatives.


This present govt. doesn't exactly rule by the consensus of a majority by any means and has itself acted with dubious legality on several occasions. In the long term this can only serve to undermine popular confidence in the law.

Kids on bikes.My son was 10 and my daughter 7 when I bought their first of road bikes.I took all 3 bikes, I had one too, on a trailer to Parkwood Springs where riding was allowed.

Oh it was you was it, xjr1300 - disturbing the peace on a sunday morning! Was it sometime in the late 80s? We had relatives living on Cookswood Road and you couldn't sit in the garden for the racket. Bikes and people flying model aeroplanes over the other side of the hill. We had to stop walking the dogs there whilst our kids had their skiing lessons because of biking on the Springs land, we felt it was too dangerous. You can't take chances with dogs running loose when there's little kids on powerful machines, they just don't have the reactions that an adult would have :(

Why do all these pursuits always make so much noise and disruption that scores of other people have their lives made hell by so few, having their bit of fun!

Hi rubydazzler,
No, it was the early 80s and we went there because at the time the police and St. Johns attended.Plus our bikes were trial bikes, not crossers (much quieter).I think if a place was provided for off roaders, my point is most parents still would,nt use it.

Hi rubydazzler,
No, it was the early 80s and we went there because at the time the police and St. Johns attended.Plus our bikes were trial bikes, not crossers (much quieter).I think if a place was provided for off roaders, my point is most parents still would,nt use it.

You're exonerated then xjr, there was just a man and two or three kids with a trailer and bikes at the time I'm speaking of but no police or SJA, there was always a burnt out car though ... :D