For the first time in ages I travelled home from town on a bus this afternoon and could not believe the amount of inconsiderate passengers. One woman sat on the outside of her seat and opened up a magazine leaning inwards so no-one else could sit there!
Another sat a 2/3 year old next to the window and then sat next to him and another sat with his bag on the seat taking up a place at the back!!

All this whilst 3 or 4 people stood at the front not daring to say anything. If the bus had any more standing i would have personally gone down and told the magazine woman to move in and leave a seat. Why the standing people didn't say anything is beyond me!!

Right, thats today's little moan.

I know what you mean but I have to admit I can see both sides of this. In my experience bus seats are not big enough for two people to sit comfortably on. Also, I must admit that if I am on a bus and somebody gets on who looks a bit rough etc (and such people do get on buses) then I will place a bag etc next to me in the hope they will choose to sit somewhere else. I'm not suggesting you are rough by the way.

I think ultimately it is more the fault of bus companies rather than passengers. they should put enough buses on so that everyone who wants a seat to themselves can get one and nobody has to stand.

I don't like buses; what makes it worse is that ours are all individual seats next to each other - so you get the plastic digging into you.

No - i try and sit on the outside one; if some OAP gets on then I'll move up if h/she looks as if h/she's heading in my directioon.

But no, they're not the comfiest things. But at 40p a go I can't complain.

Double seat = double fare. Simple.

One thing I would say in defence of the anti-social bag on seat morons is the newer buses (of the low floor variety) do not seem to have luggage racks (or many seats!).

Exactly Andy, What angers me is that they just sit there without a care in the world looking out of the window bags on seats & reading something whilst people are fighting past those standing to get off!

Gits, the lot of em!

But is it not the fault of bus companies for not putting on enough buses in the first place?

Originally posted by Andy C
Double seat = double fare. Simple.

One thing I would say in defence of the anti-social bag on seat morons is the newer buses (of the low floor variety) do not seem to have luggage racks (or many seats!).
I've got a Travelmaster pass. I'll show it twice if you like.

All London bus journeys cost a pound.There is often no room and everyone gets very up close and personal,once i had to get off because the bus ceiling started spinning!It's often a very tight squeeze and smelly at that,think yourself lucky you are only mildly uncomfortable.

I totally agree that people on buses can be really inconsiderate - leaving bags etc on seats that other people could sit on, but whenever I've had to stand, when there's been a spare seat, I've just said "excuse me please", and they've moved their stuff. Fair enough, people should have enough manners and brains to do it in the first place, but it doesn't take a genius to go and ask someone to move!

Originally posted by sarah_d
All London bus journeys cost a pound.There is often no room and everyone gets very up close and personal,once i had to get off because the bus ceiling started spinning!It's often a very tight squeeze and smelly at that,think yourself lucky you are only mildly uncomfortable.

Yep 40p for 5-16 and £1 for 16-65. Disabled and old people get free TFL Passes!!

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I know what you mean but I have to admit I can see both sides of this. In my experience bus seats are not big enough for two people to sit comfortably on. Also, I must admit that if I am on a bus and somebody gets on who looks a bit rough etc (and such people do get on buses) then I will place a bag etc next to me in the hope they will choose to sit somewhere else. I'm not suggesting you are rough by the way.

I think ultimately it is more the fault of bus companies rather than passengers. they should put enough buses on so that everyone who wants a seat to themselves can get one and nobody has to stand.
You loon!!! So if someone gets on the bus who in your eyes seems a bit 'rough' then they can't sit next to you?? What an attitude to have..not suprised you haven't had a girlfriend with views like that :loopy:
Just what makes a person 'rough' ??

All London bus journeys cost a pound
strange....wasnt true when i lived there only a few months ago?!

Originally posted by wibbles
You loon!!! So if someone gets on the bus who in your eyes seems a bit 'rough' then they can't sit next to you?? What an attitude to have..not suprised you haven't had a girlfriend with views like that :loopy:
Just what makes a person 'rough' ??

I'm sure we all know a rough looking person when we see one. I'm sure if you had a car you wouldn't let such a person in it but you are quite happy for bus passengers to have to sit next to them.

I'm not saying most people are rough at all. But of course there are some people out there I would rather not get too close to. Would you like them next to you?

But yes if someone asks me to move a bag etc i will do so.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
But is it not the fault of bus companies for not putting on enough buses in the first place?

Isn't there enough buses? I wonder what the seats vs passengers figure looks like.

And on the buses we are talking about, is the number of standing passengers in excess of the number of seats with bags on?

Actually I think on some routes we do need more capacity, but it's probably the number of seats on each bus rather than the number of buses that is the problem.

Many routes now have single deckers rather than double deckers, and those single deckers are often the new low floor ones, with 2 wheelchair spaces, which means a loss of at least 8 seats.

the nature of bus usage means that at peak times all buses will be running at or near to capacity. More buses would cost and the return would be reduced. So prices would have to go up.

They operate the minimum possible for peak time as it means that at off peak time they have the minimum number of seats running around empty. Basic business sense.

If you see a seat you want to sit on, just ask someone to move their bag. When it's not busy i'll put my bag on the seat, otherwise you get the occaisional strange person who'll sit next to you despite their being plenty of empty space elsewhere.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I'm sure we all know a rough looking person when we see one. I'm sure if you had a car you wouldn't let such a person in it but you are quite happy for bus passengers to have to sit next to them.

I'm not saying most people are rough at all. But of course there are some people out there I would rather not get too close to. Would you like them next to you?

But yes if someone asks me to move a bag etc i will do so.
I wouldn't let any stranger in my car, posh, rough, slim, fat etc..its my car. The point is you are on PUBLIC transport and rough looking or not we all have exactly the same rights as you to use it...who exactly are you to decide who is rough looking??
It's discrimination at the end of the day

Originally posted by mimicraze
strange....wasnt true when i lived there only a few months ago?!
It's gone up already!Does make it easier for tourists though as it all the same in every zone.I have a tube and bus pass,works out cheaper.

Wibbles, I think the rough types that Slimsid is aiming his views at are those Chavies that seem to be everywhere. Acne-ridden, alcohol smelling, cap-wearing, foul-mouthed evil-staring - mobile phone playing, cheap jewellery wearing tattoed people.

If this is correct Slimsid then please stop stereotyping & discriminating . . everyone has a right to sit next to Wibbles on the bus.

I was on a 51 bus from town about a month ago and there was a large gang of Somalian Youths on the bus. Mostly being loud and obusive etc. We got to Broomhill and a handfull of elderly people hopped on the bus. I gave my seat and so did another chap however the kids just sniggered and laughed at them. I asked one of them to move to let an old lady sit down and he just ignored me, I asked him again but he did the same. I was in a bad mood that day and he just topped it off so I dragged the one who ignored me and his friend next to him out of their seats to let the old folk sit down. They screamed abuse etc "get off me you racist" etc but everyone on the bus just ignored them and when the bus driver heard what was going off he kicked the loud ones off. If you get any little sheets like that just do the same, once you shatter their ego's they are like pussycats.

Originally posted by Lestat
Wibbles, I think the rough types that Slimsid is aiming his views at are those Chavies that seem to be everywhere. Acne-ridden, alcohol smelling, cap-wearing, foul-mouthed evil-staring - mobile phone playing, cheap jewellery wearing tattoed people.

If this is correct Slimsid then please stop stereotyping & discriminating . . everyone has a right to sit next to Wibbles on the bus.

I'm not rough enough to catch them dirty scummy buses

what do you mean? i get on a 97 , and everyones fine on the bus then someone comes and now and again theres someone not so nice. so im scummy then?

I've started going to work half an hour early and leaving half an hour early. Haven't sat next to anyone for a couple of months now (maybe I look rough?!). Flexi-time rules. :)

Originally posted by Andy C

Many routes now have single deckers rather than double deckers, and those single deckers are often the new low floor ones, with 2 wheelchair spaces, which means a loss of at least 8 seats.

where is the 2nd wheelchair space, andy? I can't see where it is, and I am on buses almost as frequently as the drivers(!)
there's a wheelchair space, with the padded bulkhead, for protection, in the event of an accident, and a buggy-space, either opposite to, or behind the wheelchair space

On every wheelchair-accessible public bus I have travelled on, (As opposed to the community transport ones) there's only one space where a wheelchair is permitted.

Admittedly, there have been, perhaps 2 occasions where I have travelled, and the driver has permitted (albeit "unauthorised") a second chair-user to board.
The second passenger had to squeeze into the Buggy-designated space, and there was a huge tangle of wheels, when we came to disembark, because of the relative width of both chairs, when compared to the usual "chair-squeezing-past-a-buggy" scenario.

PT

When I was heavily pregnant , quite ill and going to work in the morning. I always ened up standing and wobbling. No one got out of their seats for me. I never moaned.

One morning I went to get on the bus and the bus driver shouted down the bus " If no one gets up to let this lady sit down this bus is going nowhere!!"

how embarrasing but I got a seat.

Buses are carriers of all sorts of diseases along with cretins bawling into mobiles.

What better vehicle than a bus, to spread a flu epidemic?

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I know what you mean but I have to admit I can see both sides of this. In my experience bus seats are not big enough for two people to sit comfortably on. Also, I must admit that if I am on a bus and somebody gets on who looks a bit rough etc (and such people do get on buses) then I will place a bag etc next to me in the hope they will choose to sit somewhere else.

But yes if someone asks me to move a bag etc i will do so.

Couldn't agree more. Given the choice of taking up two seats and travelling in basic comfort, or being cramped and possibly being sat next to a loony - i'll take up two seats; that goes for the train too! They simply are not big enough. I'm quite tall so legroom is always an issue.

I use public transport only because I don't have a car. If I seem some dodgy looking person heading towards me, I hope they sit somewhere else other than next to me.

Its probably a selfish attitude but so what? Like slim says, if he's asked to move his bag, or sees someone needing a seat and there's only one left, then of course i'll be courteous and move.

You certainly get what you pay for on public transport; cars cost far more to run and maintain, but your own sanity, health and comfort aren't sacrificed.

Originally posted by mimicraze
what do you mean? i get on a 97 , and everyones fine on the bus then someone comes and now and again theres someone not so nice. so im scummy then?
It was a joke :D :D

Originally posted by J-Blaze
I was on a 51 bus from town about a month ago and there was a large gang of Somalian Youths on the bus. Mostly being loud and obusive etc. We got to Broomhill and a handfull of elderly people hopped on the bus. I gave my seat and so did another chap however the kids just sniggered and laughed at them. I asked one of them to move to let an old lady sit down and he just ignored me, I asked him again but he did the same. I was in a bad mood that day and he just topped it off so I dragged the one who ignored me and his friend next to him out of their seats to let the old folk sit down. They screamed abuse etc "get off me you racist" etc but everyone on the bus just ignored them and when the bus driver heard what was going off he kicked the loud ones off. If you get any little sheets like that just do the same, once you shatter their ego's they are like pussycats.


J-Blaze, I know mate. What is it with Somalian youths? they seem to think that they have more rights to shout, swear and ignore others and then at the first sign of trouble they have all learnt that one english word which is so valued in their culture: 'Rascist'.

I see everyone as equals but a majority of somalian youths nowadays tend to take the p*** and think it's funny. I think a lack of education and deprivation is to blame.

Originally posted by Plain Talker
where is the 2nd wheelchair space, andy? I can't see where it is, and I am on buses almost as frequently as the drivers(!)
there's a wheelchair space, with the padded bulkhead, for protection, in the event of an accident, and a buggy-space, either opposite to, or behind the wheelchair space

On every wheelchair-accessible public bus I have travelled on, (As opposed to the community transport ones) there's only one space where a wheelchair is permitted.

Admittedly, there have been, perhaps 2 occasions where I have travelled, and the driver has permitted (albeit "unauthorised") a second chair-user to board.
The second passenger had to squeeze into the Buggy-designated space, and there was a huge tangle of wheels, when we came to disembark, because of the relative width of both chairs, when compared to the usual "chair-squeezing-past-a-buggy" scenario.

PT

I've always assumed both were wheelchair spaces and people with buggys just used them if not required by a wheelchair.

Anyway, the point is, with so many seats missing to accommodate wheelchairs, pushchairs, old folk etc etc there a very few seats left for normal passengers to sit down, which is really bad at peak time, especially when there is rarely anyone in a wheelchair!

I must point out here, before I offend anyone, I do believe it is important that facilities are provided to ensure the bus is accessible to wheelchair users and others with limited mobility, however buses with such spaces should be bigger to maintain the seating capacity. However First bus being such cheapskates..... (Yorkshire Terrier buses have a reasonable number of seats, yet they provide a wheelchair space!)

I don't really think this is solely a bus issue.

The same people who are selfish on busses are generaly selfish full stop.

In supermarkets they block isles.

On the road they don't let people out / queue jump / don't indicate

They tax evade

They talk down to people they see as their inferiours

and they generally have an inflated opinion of their own self worth.

They are usually over weight, middleaged women with chips on their shoulders

I hate them, don't blame bus companies for the action of the blight of society

The point I was trying to make was that there should be enough buses for everyone to travel in comfort. This means that there should be enough seats for everyone who wants one to have a seat to themselves. They may call them double seats but are they really big enough for two people to sit comfortably on, the same way two people can sit in the front of a car.

I suppose this is a call for greater equality between car owners and bus passengers. Why should people who travel on buses have to put up with lower levels of comfort and convenience than those with cars.

Ironically, the much derided deregulation improved this situation with more buses = more seats = shorter waiting at stops. I wonder if some of the critics of deregulation are car owners who would like less buses on the road so there is more space for cars.

By the way, I have nothing against car drivers and hope to be one myself shortly. I can well understand why people prefer cars to buses.

Originally posted by dylan_61
I don't really think this is solely a bus issue.

The same people who are selfish on busses are generaly selfish full stop.

In supermarkets they block isles.

On the road they don't let people out / queue jump / don't indicate

They tax evade

They talk down to people they see as their inferiours

and they generally have an inflated opinion of their own self worth.

They are usually over weight, middleaged women with chips on their shoulders

I hate them, don't blame bus companies for the action of the blight of society

I don't block the aisles, i'm courteous on the road, pay my taxes and I certainly don't talk down to people (except disobedient young children). I know where I stand in society and in my social groups and am a slim 20yr old male livin it up at uni.

Try again :D

Fellow sheffielders, here is my advice:

1) If you want a seat that's taken by another passengers' newspaper, ask politely if you can take the seat. Believe it or not, they will make room for you. Thank them after doing so (that really messes with their minds).

2) If you're as sick of the scuzzy people who get on at the Castle Market bus stop as I am, then walk to an earlier bus stop and catch the bus from there. You'll get more choice of seats, and the anti-social ones amongst you can take up two seats with your newspaper!

3) And if you find the attractive, well-presented ladies at the bus stops outside the Crucible Theatre a little too common to be graced by your presence, feel free to continue walking to an earlier bus stop on Arundel Gate by the Hallam University. You'll find the bus is almost empty, and as the bus starts to fill with passengers, you'll get a much more presentable passenger sitting next to you than some scuzbucket.

Here Endeth the Lesson

Isn't the point of a bus service that it the bus comes to where it's convienient for you and not the other way around.

Whats the point in walking halfway around Sheffield to find a bus when it'll be where you are if you just wait?
People who normally use buses have heavy shopping etc - do they too need to walk from stop to stop just to avoid the daily chav?.

Lestat

As BJ Smith said "If you want to win in life you have to change players. You can't play on the same team all the time."

In other words, you're going to have to make a sacrifice to get to another bus stop. I find you have more chance of catching a bus if you get to an earlier bus stop at rush hour times, because it is less likely the bus will be full of passengers.

Before we got our car, I'd make an effort (along with my pregnant wife and one young baby) to walk to an earlier bus stop because we felt it was worth it. If we could do it, then I'm sure the young, single, gym-toned semi-athletes out there can!

I know what you're saying Abdul & trust me, iI have done exactly that before but what about the not so fit & healthy - the elderly. These are the people I feel sorry for, when gits wont give up their seats.

The passengers are maybe trying to be as inconsiderate as the drivers!!!

biscuit anyone?

I'm sure first would be more than happy to double it's fleet of buses and rip out half the seats and make the rest larger. The moment they think everyone will be happy to pay a minimum £5 fare.
They are a commercial company you know. They may provide a service, but in the service industry you make good by providing the minimum you can and charging the most you can. It's called the free capitalist market.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
The point I was trying to make was that there should be enough buses for everyone to travel in comfort. This means that there should be enough seats for everyone who wants one to have a seat to themselves. They may call them double seats but are they really big enough for two people to sit comfortably on, the same way two people can sit in the front of a car.

I suppose this is a call for greater equality between car owners and bus passengers. Why should people who travel on buses have to put up with lower levels of comfort and convenience than those with cars.

Ironically, the much derided deregulation improved this situation with more buses = more seats = shorter waiting at stops. I wonder if some of the critics of deregulation are car owners who would like less buses on the road so there is more space for cars.

By the way, I have nothing against car drivers and hope to be one myself shortly. I can well understand why people prefer cars to buses.

Originally posted by Cyclone
They are a commercial company you know. They may provide a service, but in the service industry you make good by providing the minimum you can and charging the most you can. It's called the free capitalist market.

You're preaching to the converted.

I'm sure Slimsid already knew that (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12792)

Capitalism's a great idea, until it turns round and bites you in the backside :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Lestat
I know what you're saying Abdul & trust me, iI have done exactly that before but what about the not so fit & healthy - the elderly. These are the people I feel sorry for, when gits wont give up their seats.

Elderly people shouldn't travel at rush hour. They don't have to as they are retired. Bring back the afternoon restriction on Senior Citizen bus passes I say!

Originally posted by Andy C
Elderly people shouldn't travel at rush hour. They don't have to as they are retired. Bring back the afternoon restriction on Senior Citizen bus passes I say!

Im a driver, and i find it amazing how they all come out to catch a bus bang on 9.00 am, then moan because they can not get a seat, if some of them waited just half an hour they could all have a seat and one for their bag/newspaper!!

Am I the only person who thinks that bus companies are passing the buck to their passengers a bit here by playing on their goodwill and consideration?

It's all very well to put up notices saying please give up seats to those less able to stand but isn't it a failing on the part of a bus company if there are not enough seats for everyone at busy times. No doubt it is more profitable though.

These days bus companies are on quite healthy profit margins (around 17% I think). No doubt this is partly achieved at the expense of passenger comfort and convenience.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
These days bus companies are on quite healthy profit margins (around 17% I think). No doubt this is partly achieved at the expense of passenger comfort and convenience.

And drivers' salaries

The second lowest in the UK, before they went on strike last year.

I don't know if that improved anything :confused:

Originally posted by Abdul
And drivers' salaries

The second lowest in the UK, before they went on strike last year.

I don't know if that improved anything :confused:

Not for passengers it didn't. All it did was put up fares.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Not for passengers it didn't. All it did was put up fares.

Yes it did improve services - look at the frequency of the 52 and 60 buses :D

And I'm sure their shareholders are delighted too. Please spare a thought for them, next time you're sitting next to a scuzbucket passenger

Originally posted by Abdul
And drivers' salaries

The second lowest in the UK, before they went on strike last year.

I don't know if that improved anything :confused:

Not really,just sent my strike ballot form back to the union,as we still have not had this years pay increase and it's nearly July.
I think there will be another strike shortly.

Currently for the first four years drivers earn £5.85 which is a bit crap after four years service it goes up to £7.13 which is not to bad. Problem is alot of drivers leave as they can not wait for 4 years to get a decent salary. Hence the current driver shortage.

At my depot a third of the staff are off work at the present.Either Sick/Holidays or lieu days. They are actually bringing drivers from Rotherham to man the wheel!

Yes I think you are.
Do you understand what I said about these companies. They exist for 2 primary reasons. 1 make money for shareholders, 2 make money for shareholders. This can take the form of increased share value or of profits. And profitable companies generally benefit from the 1st option as well.

So the only reason for a commercial company to exist is to make money. Managers would be doing a bad job if they start worrying about the size of your backside and how you feel when the bus is full.

Did you ever think that maybe your employer thinks you cost too much. Afterall, you are selling them a service. Maybe you should go to work tomorrow and tell them that you'd like a 20% pay cut in the interests of fairness and the communist state?

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Am I the only person who thinks that bus companies are passing the buck to their passengers a bit here by playing on their goodwill and consideration?

It's all very well to put up notices saying please give up seats to those less able to stand but isn't it a failing on the part of a bus company if there are not enough seats for everyone at busy times. No doubt it is more profitable though.

These days bus companies are on quite healthy profit margins (around 17% I think). No doubt this is partly achieved at the expense of passenger comfort and convenience.

i wouldn't be seen dead on a bus...the tram is more comfortable the staff are friendly and polite the trams are very clean....its the tram for me every time or walking

oooooh Kirky!

Do you walk very fast taking small steps, nose in the air and handbag swinging from side to side.

pout! I don't even look at buses, disgusting things they are! :P

Originally posted by kirky
i wouldn't be seen dead on a bus...the tram is more comfortable the staff are friendly and polite the trams are very clean....its the tram for me every time or walking

Alright I suppose...if you're fortunate enough to live and work near a tram route. As I see it though, one half of Sheffield doesn't want them, and the other half can't have them!

Meanwhile, the rest of us just sit in traffic jams and curse because Supertram has priority at the traffic lights :rant:

As the great person once said: 'Supertram - it goes from where nobody lives, to where nobody wants to go and costs a fortune'

Now that is a killer autosig!

Originally posted by Abdul
[B]As the great person once said: 'Supertram - it goes from where nobody lives, to where nobody wants to go and costs a fortune'


Not true though, is it? People live at Hillsborough, in the city centre, at Tinsley, on City Road, at Gleadless, at Halfway to name but a few places. People want to go to Meadowhall, Crystal Peaks, city centre, Hillsborough, the arena, the university and many more places.

Try catching a tram at 8:30am into town. It's standing room only and people are packed on like sardines. I think that proves that Supertram runs from where people live to where people want to go.

I honestly wouldn't know Andy. The comment about Supertram was something I read many years ago and I thought it was hilarious!

I would like the trams to link the hospitals together, but that doesn't look like it will happen.

So, the only interaction I have with Supertram is...cursing it as I sit in my Supertram-triggered traffic jam :D

Originally posted by Lestat
oooooh Kirky!

Do you walk very fast taking small steps, nose in the air and handbag swinging from side to side.

pout! I don't even look at buses, disgusting things they are! :P

thought that would get a bite :) thing is living in the town centre means i don't need to catch buses and i take the kids to school by car

Originally posted by unners
Im a driver, and i find it amazing how they all come out to catch a bus bang on 9.00 am, then moan because they can not get a seat, if some of them waited just half an hour they could all have a seat and one for their bag/newspaper!!

Yes, London Buses make them wait until 09h00 before the "shopping-trolleyed" old bints make an apperance on the bus. It's cruel, but they have no need to be on a bus prior to 09h00. C'm on there pass to go round London is free, so they can't moan. But whoever mentioned about a "Afternoon restriction" they don't have that they can ride around all night. on their free bus pass.

Originally posted by Abdul
Alright I suppose...if you're fortunate enough to live and work near a tram route. As I see it though, one half of Sheffield doesn't want them, and the other half can't have them!


Sigh, indeed. Those up Broomhill way are moaning that they do not want the tram going up their way, but might get it anyway, those at Totley want the tram but aren't going to get it.

Those of us in S17 are instead stuck with an infrequent train service and unreliable bus service, both courtesy of the dreaded First group.

Originally posted by Lestat
I know what you're saying Abdul & trust me, iI have done exactly that before but what about the not so fit & healthy - the elderly. These are the people I feel sorry for, when gits wont give up their seats.

Why should someone who has paid FULL FARE on a bus have to give up their seat to someone who has only paid 40p and probably even moaned to the driver about that!!!!

I used to drive the buses you're all talking about for a living. Thankfully now I only drive school buses as I got so fed up with the over 65s who think they have some god given right to the best of everything! Maybe if they planned their ample free time better so they only made one shopping trip to town a week rather than going in every day, there would be less overcrowding in general?

;)

Isn't it about time we had a proper intigrated public transport service?

It should all be state owned and operated on a non-profit basis.

Employees in this key industry should get decent pay too. Afterall they are responsible for the lives of 70 people for 10 hours a day, 6 days a week.

Lets also abolish free or concessionary travel. Why sholud hard-working people be made to pay the shortfall for the "scroungers" in society?

Also, we hear a lot about discrimination in this world. But when you take 4 seats out of a bus to carry 1 wheelchair, is that not discrimination against the able bodied?

As I have said previously, if you have to stand up on your bus tomorrow because half the seats have been removed to accomodate the famous invisible wheelchair, then the following day try calling the dial-a-ride to come and collect you for your journey.;)

Felt i had to post this as i have just witnessed a bus driver being verbally abused and spat at.I am disgusted at the way that these 3 'chavs' behaved.
I boarded a bus at the interchange and when we reached the City Road stop there seemed to be a delay.(i was sat at the back of the bus facing the rear)I turned round to see the driver going upstairs.Apparantly a passenger had not paid the correct fare and basically had travelled as far as their ticket allowed.The bus was stationary for about 5 mins while the bus driver was speaking to the passenger(dont know what was said as i was too far away to hear)
Next thing a member of the public who wasent even with this passenger said for gods sake i just want to get home ill pay the rest of the fare.He did so and the driver returned to his seat and the journey comenced.
When we reached intake 3 young people came down the stairs 2 lads 1 young woman.As the doors opened to let them off you should have heard the abuse they gave the driver calling him a fat ******* and w*****.Then they spat at him.The driver didnt retaliate in any way,which i have to admit if that had been me i wouldnt have been able not to retaliate.The young woman found this highly amusing and proceeded to give the 2 finger salute to the rest of the bus passengers....very brave of her.Wonder if she thanked the person who paid her fare for her....i dont think so.
This really annoyed me and i felt sorry for the driver after all he is only doing his job.Ajob which must be stressful enough without idiots like that.Was anyone else on the same bus???it was the 41 service to halfway which left the interchange at about 2.10pm today?

This is precisely why Sheffield Bus Companies are unable to keep staff the pay rate in most cases is secondary to the behaviour of some of the passengers that are carried

I agree,its disgusting.These 3 'chavs' looked no older than maybe 17 and all had folders so i assume were on their way home from either school/college....and for the young lady to act as she did i couldnt believe it!............scum!

On the other hand, my story is that I waited for number 60 at the interchange for nearly 45 mns ( which is supposed to run every 8mns). Now ok, one can be missed but where were the other buses?? All the driver could do was laugh with another collegue, not even apologise, or explain what was happening...
Has the world gone crazy:loopy:

Originally posted by Sony
On the other hand, my story is that I waited for number 60 at the interchange for nearly 45 mns ( which is supposed to run every 8mns). Now ok, one can be missed but where were the other buses?? ...


I live on the 52 route and that's happened loads to me :(

I blame the Bus Drivers them selves. they are all arrogant nasty BA***RDS!!!!!

Oh come on, don't turn this into another bash the bus driver thread:rant:

Originally posted by MarkB
I blame the Bus Drivers them selves. they are all arrogant nasty BA***RDS!!!!!

I've seen a few chavs on other services - it's not the bus drivers. It's the scum who think they can behave like animals and get away with it.

Some drivers are prats, but I've yet to see a driver spit at a passenger. The driver was doing is job and these individuals were attempting to defraud the bus company.

Quite how it's the driver's fault for doing hjis job I do not know.

Joe

There was never any problems like this when they were on strike.

(stands by for loads of abuse from those that can't understand a bit of dry wit)

Originally posted by owdlad
Oh come on, don't turn this into another bash the bus driver thread:rant:
If they were good and efficient we wouln't continue to bash them !

Originally posted by MarkB
I blame the Bus Drivers them selves. they are all arrogant nasty BA***RDS!!!!!

And can you prove that....PRAT!

Originally posted by MarkB
I blame the Bus Drivers them selves. they are all arrogant nasty BA***RDS!!!!!

That's like me saying all people who are called Mark are complete ******S!

Originally posted by jessycar
That's like me saying all people who are called Mark are complete ******S!

I take it you had a dodgy relationship with someone called Mark once.

8) Nah Den Ace....

A bus driver was robbed at Wooduss this evening. The 52 has been missing out the Badger estate since the incident. (Are we allowed to say "Badger"? My post on "Beavers" was deleted yesterday with no explanation....have the Beaver Patrol been at work here I wonder?)

Apparently, the local yoofs have been targeting buses recently with bricks and ballbearings. I saw a massive gang of about 30 (school-age) lads and lasses walking through the village the other night giving it the large....they're not hard to spot, where are the police? Crime won't crack itself!

Regards,

Spacehopper.

The only idiots I have had to endure on busses are kids on the B14 opening the fire exit door and recently on the 136 with some youths opening the fire exit door.
...And then there's the usual people upstairs and up the back smoking, on practically every bus.

Well, the 51, 136, B14, 401 usual have "chavs" on that smoke up the back upstairs.

Alex

Originally posted by Spacehopper
I saw a massive gang of about 30 (school-age) lads and lasses walking through the village the other night giving it the large....they're not hard to spot, where are the police? Crime won't crack itself!

Did anyone inform the police?

Originally posted by jenhoppy
Felt i had to post this as i have just witnessed a bus driver being verbally abused and spat at.I am disgusted at the way that these 3 'chavs' behaved.
I boarded a bus at the interchange and when we reached the City Road stop there seemed to be a delay.(i was sat at the back of the bus facing the rear)I turned round to see the driver going upstairs.Apparantly a passenger had not paid the correct fare and basically had travelled as far as their ticket allowed.The bus was stationary for about 5 mins while the bus driver was speaking to the passenger(dont know what was said as i was too far away to hear)
Next thing a member of the public who wasent even with this passenger said for gods sake i just want to get home ill pay the rest of the fare.He did so and the driver returned to his seat and the journey comenced.
When we reached intake 3 young people came down the stairs 2 lads 1 young woman.As the doors opened to let them off you should have heard the abuse they gave the driver calling him a fat ******* and w*****.Then they spat at him.The driver didnt retaliate in any way,which i have to admit if that had been me i wouldnt have been able not to retaliate.The young woman found this highly amusing and proceeded to give the 2 finger salute to the rest of the bus passengers....very brave of her.Wonder if she thanked the person who paid her fare for her....i dont think so.
This really annoyed me and i felt sorry for the driver after all he is only doing his job.Ajob which must be stressful enough without idiots like that.Was anyone else on the same bus???it was the 41 service to halfway which left the interchange at about 2.10pm today?

Glad to hear the driver not retalite unlike the driver who punched that 19 year old unprevoked. Glad he got the sack.


Do admit they should be some sort of panic button for drivers to alert the police, don't know how it would work. Some passengers are disgraceful, but the drivers sometimes give as good.
Jubby

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I was on th 89 this morning, coming into College, and a chap got on at Welling, and then another at Shooters Hill.



I was sitting at the back but facing forward.

Welling guy was sitting with his legs out into the pathway as it were where passangers walk up to sit down. He was up the back, facing backwards - so he was riding backwards, with his legs out into the gangway - that's the word(!)

Then, at Shooters Hill another guy got on.



Shoorers Hill guy: Excuse me (he wanted to sit up the back too).

Welling guy: Oh, f****** hell, move for ch**sts sake, I have bad leg, I can't move.



Shooters Hill guy finally manages to get onto one of the other two seats (as the seats are in pairs) he sat in one of the other pair.



Welling guy: What are you looking at?

Shooters Hill guy: Oh bloody hell:

Welling guy: Wa****

Shooters Hill guy: You

Welling guy: C***

Shooters Hill guy: You

Welling guy: F***ing foreigner (he was probally Vietmanese).

Shooters Hill guy: Idiot

Welling guy: T**t!



Welling guy got off at Blackheath, Shooters Hill guy got off at Lewisham bus station.



Alex

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Originally posted by sarah_d
Bus drivers here get a lot of hassle from people but a fair few of them are nutters.The latest thing that happened is one of the drivers sped off not letting his one female passenger off and then beat her up outside the depot,nobody saw anything.I wouldn't trust bus drivers here at all but sadly i rely on them as well as tube drivers.

The one I mentioned was in the Star on Tuesday. First did the right thing and sacked the T****R.

I was thrented on the bus. Basicly it came from the fact that the bus stopped at the wrong stop, complained that i didn't run to him (Don't see why I should) than as he set of a pulled out like he was doing a start at a Grand Prix, nearly went in to the back of a van slamed his brakes on I nearly went through the window. Complained got a earful.

Phoned the police becuase his driving was atrosis (sorry about spelling) as i was doing a driver on the bus came up to me and shoved my head backwards while I was on the phone to the police. when we got to Olive Grove he suggested we got of the bus together and talk it over like men. I just told him i'd be talking it over with the police.

He got a Caution ferom the police that he accepted and I got nothing from First.

Incidently the 19 year old who got punched by the driver is now scared to use public transport on his own, and first as an apoligy have offered him a months free travel. Talk about a kick in the you know whats.

Jubby

Originally posted by MarkB
I blame the Bus Drivers them selves. they are all arrogant nasty BA***RDS!!!!!

So how did you figure out that the driver in the opening thread fits into that category?? :confused:

Originally posted by jubby

Do admit they should be some sort of panic button for drivers to alert the police, don't know how it would work. Some passengers are disgraceful, but the drivers sometimes give as good.
Jubby

Birmingham busses are equipped with CCTV. Glasgow buses had 'riot shield' type booths around the driver, 'No change given' slots to put your fare in and panic radios with buttons for fire police and ambulance, linked directly to the control room I think.

And how many of us would stand and take the ****?

Originally posted by jubby
I was thrented on the bus. ... as he set of a pulled out like he was doing a start at a Grand Prix, nearly went in to the back of a van slamed his brakes on I nearly went through the window. Complained got a earful.

Jubby

Have you heard the adverts for drivers on HallamFM? They're aimed at baseballcap-wearing prat-mobile driving boy racers. What can you expect? (Tiff Needel invites us to drive V16 volvo, blah, blah, blah buses)

Originally posted by Strix
Birmingham busses are equipped with CCTV. Glasgow buses had 'riot shield' type booths around the driver, 'No change given' slots to put your fare in and panic radios with buttons for fire police and ambulance, linked directly to the control room I think.

And how many of us would stand and take the ****?

It was CCTV on the bus that proved that the driver attacked the lad unprevoked. It showed that the lad didn't raise his hands and that the driver was out of order. It's a shame that CCTV has to be used to protect a passenger from a driver rather than to protect the drivers. The panic button idea would help drivers alert help silently without escalting the situation. I know drivers or first have radios (they call in a code 9 i belive) but then they radio back and this alerts the trouble making party that an alarm has been raised and therefore inflaming the situation. The panic button means police can be alerted, track the bus. Loads of coppers and poss the helicopter, situation controlled a bit better, and trouble making party arrested if needed.

Jubby