i'm a 6'12 13st medium build male 31, who used to instruct Taekwondo, I had a leg injury which hinders my kicking ability on my right leg - they are not as high, or as strong as they could be.

I haven't done any Martial arts since the injury (about 7 years) and I am looking to do something new.

Any suggestions on what might be suitable for me?

I am wanting something available in walkley/crookes/broomhill/hillsborough/city centre - I don't drive and don't want to have to travel accross the city to train - so that area of the city for preference.

any help appreciated.

Why not try a variety and see what you enjoy?

Why not try a variety and see what you enjoy?

Thats not a bad idea - i'm still needing info on whats available in my area.

Any further healp apprecieated

Depends what purpose you want to train for?
Sport, self defence , fitness or just a hobby.
I prefer to cross train in different arts , there ia a wide variety of systems available in south yorks area give some a go most have first lesson free etc.
But becareful you don't get tied into a direct debit scheme straight away as the art may not be for you.

Depends what purpose you want to train for?
Sport, self defence , fitness or just a hobby.
I prefer to cross train in different arts , there ia a wide variety of systems available in south yorks area give some a go most have first lesson free etc.
But becareful you don't get tied into a direct debit scheme straight away as the art may not be for you.

I want to train for Self defence and fitness, also as a hobby, i'm too old for competition now!

It would be nice to find an art which has weapons forms at higher levels.

wado ryu karate training involves self defence and fitness training
mondays, sharrow arts space, where sharow nursery used to be just off the bottom of sharrow lane, mon 7-8 (near city centre)
the same club train at ecclesall road united reform church opposite endcliff park on wed 7-8 8-9

pm me if u wish

:)

unit 7 Norfolk Barracks
Clough Road, Entrance on Lancing Road
Near sufc Football Ground
Sheffield, S2

Training will consist,
Combined Fighting Arts,Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do, Eskrima, Ground work and Kickboxing
You could try this as they use sticks (Eskrima) and and Ive heard good stuff about the guy who runs Mark Hayes he trains with Dan Inasanto(Bruce Lee student and friend) he s on the forum name JAY KD.

At the moment i'm training in bjj (just started recently) at the 393 club on Monday and Wednesday 6 - 8.
And teaching traditional jiu jitsu at the hallam collegiate cresent campus (near aunt sallies in broomhill) tonight 8 - 10.

Give them both a try and see what you think.

At the moment i'm training in bjj (just started recently) at the 393 club on Monday and Wednesday 6 - 8.
And teaching traditional jiu jitsu at the hallam collegiate cresent campus (near aunt sallies in broomhill) tonight 8 - 10.

Give them both a try and see what you think.

Isn't ju jitsu just a variance of judo - another form of groundfighting?

unit 7 Norfolk Barracks
Clough Road, Entrance on Lancing Road
Near sufc Football Ground
Sheffield, S2

Training will consist,
Combined Fighting Arts,Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do, Eskrima, Ground work and Kickboxing
You could try this as they use sticks (Eskrima) and and Ive heard good stuff about the guy who runs Mark Hayes he trains with Dan Inasanto(Bruce Lee student and friend) he s on the forum name JAY KD.

Thanks, but i'm looking for something on my side of the city, as i mentioned earlier.

At the moment i'm training in bjj (just started recently) at the 393 club on Monday and Wednesday 6 - 8.
And teaching traditional jiu jitsu at the hallam collegiate cresent campus (near aunt sallies in broomhill) tonight 8 - 10.

Give them both a try and see what you think.

pardon my ignorance - what's bjj?

do you or anyone you know, teach sword forms at higher levels?

393 really quite close to me. (Walkley)

Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, ground fighting, very good at what they do.

I don't know anyone who teaches any weapons work, sorry.

Yep, 393 club is in walkley.

My club is at the Hallam collegiate campus and at the goodwin sports centre (northumberland road, nr broomhill).

Sorry don't know Sheffield that well!
Not sure of any weapons clubs in Sheffield may be Dave Mantis may know he teaches 7 STAR MANTIS KUNG FU and teaches weapons but sadly he s miles from you.

BJJ is Brazilian Jujitsu, which covers groundwork and submissions extensively as well as looking at some takedowns and standing wrestling. Most serious fighters train in BJJ or a similar dedicated grappling style and a good striking style. BJJ is a great sport in it's own right also.

I train at the 393 club on Langsett Road - near Hillsborough corner, up the hill and across from Morrisons. We train on Monday and Wednesday nights 6-8 pm and on Sundays 11am - 1.30pm. World class black belt (Sem) teaches fortnightly on Sundays, these classes are 12 pounds but all other classes are 3.50.

thanks but i'm not really wanting to get in to wrestling or groundfighting.

Anything else?

traditional JJ is more focused on throws and locks from various attacks, starting with punching and kicking and working up to baseball bats and katana.
Your welcome to give it a try, free first session, if you feel like it.

I recommend Wing Chun. An ancient art, 90% of Bruce Lee's homemade style was Wing Chun.

what wing chun classes are on my side of the city (please see up thread)

i'm a 6'12 13st medium build male 31, who used to instruct Taekwondo, I had a leg injury which hinders my kicking ability on my right leg - they are not as high, or as strong as they could be.

I haven't done any Martial arts since the injury (about 7 years) and I am looking to do something new.

Any suggestions on what might be suitable for me?

I am wanting something available in walkley/crookes/broomhill/hillsborough/city centre - I don't drive and don't want to have to travel accross the city to train - so that area of the city for preference.

any help appreciated.

Hi Meroveus
You say based in the city centre?
Thats exactly where we are with one class on wednesday at sheffield S10 (Usport).
During University term time we also have classes on broomgrove road.
There you go mate , all your catchment areas covered.
Our club is called AFK

www.sheffieldkickboxing.com

We are a friendly group of open minded martial artists , kickboxing is our system who will always welcome people who have come from other styles.
We have had plenty of crossovers from TKD and Tangsoodo.

As for not being able to kick high, thats no problem as we do a lot of kicking to the legs and body as well as use of the knees.

I can proudly say that I teach a system that works for the ring AND is street effective :)

Drop me a line:

info@sheffieldkickboxing.com

Cheers
Farhad

Thanks for that Farhad, But after many years of hard forms I might be looking for somthing not so "sport based"

The Wing chun is looking interesting, as is the JuJitsu, as long as I don't have to wrestle around on the floor.

If you're completely ever doing any groundwork then my classes probably aren't for you really.
We don't spend as much time on it as BJJ (hence me getting thrashed every monday), but we do spend probably 15 - 20 % of our time working on the floor. It makes sense since that's where most fights end up.

fair enough Cyclone, thanks for that.

Looks like we're narrowing the field to wing Chun....

What other Kung Fu is there in Sheffield? Where is it?

There's a lau gar kung fu club at the 393 club on Langsett road. I tried it once and found that it wasn't my cup of tea at all (due to the techniques and nature of the style, it was otherwise well taught and included a good fitness workout at the beginning), but it sounds like you're leaning more towards the traditional / spiritual side of MA than the practical side so might find it more appealing.

Wing Chun probably is good though if you're unable to kick high etc. as I think they have an ethos of using direct and simple techniques.

http://www.prokungfu.com/ is the 393 club Lau Gar class website.

Downtroad, sorry but your wrong in saying 90% of Bruce Lee's home made style was Wing Chun, Jun Fan Gung Fu, even Jeet Kune Do Looks nothing like Wing Chun.if anything i would say that maybe there was about 20% Wing Chun left.

so does anyone know of any Wing chun or kung fu in sheffield?

What alternative (not the more commonplace martial arts) martial arts are there in sheffield?

Hi
Coming from a Strong TaeKwon-Do and Korean MA background I can reccomend JKD and the Fillipino MA classes that Guro Hayes teaches at his centre. I found that it filled the gaps and enhanced the skills i already had, and as ive said before Mark holds no prejudice against students of other styles. as for the centre itself its about a 5 - 10 minute walk from the main bus station and worth the trip (its 2 hours transit time for me!)

Gotta side with Jay_KD with Downtroad's Wing Chun comment, the common mistake that uneducated observers of JKD make is the assumtion that some of the filipino elements of the style are derived from Wing Chun (This i know cos i thought the same until i began learning JKD), also the assumtion that Bruce Lee's legendary Nunchuks skills were derived from Chinese MA when in fact Dan Inosanto introduced the FMA weapon the Tabak Toyok to him (Please correct Jay_KD me if im mistaken).

Hi
Coming from a Strong TaeKwon-Do and Korean MA background I can reccomend JKD and the Fillipino MA classes that Guro Hayes teaches at his centre. I found that it filled the gaps and enhanced the skills i already had, and as ive said before Mark holds no prejudice against students of other styles. as for the centre itself its about a 5 - 10 minute walk from the main bus station and worth the trip (its 2 hours transit time for me!)



What can you tell me about this style Nuguyo? Have you got an address for this centre?

can anyone advise me about filipino MA and JKD?

Have you tried a Karate club?
Certainly some kicking but I believe less emphesis on the big/high stuff of Tae-Kwon-Do.

Hi Meroveus,i'd advise you to go and have a look at anything you are thinking of training in, don't be put of by the distance or time it takes you get to where ever you end up training, you have just made an excuse not to train, its hard enough making excuse to train, you said you used to teach, i bet you have heard the same things from students when you were teaching, when i first started training in JKD i used to have a round trip of 104 miles, the second JKD instructor the round trip was just over 200 miles, as well as working well over 40 hours a week and teaching and training, coz thats an other excuse no time,if its some thing you want make the effort,
the address for the Centre is on this thread, OX MA put the address on thanks for that ox ma we still have to meet yet,

hope to see you soon,
Mark

I disagree about that.
Unless you are very dedicated, you're far more likely to train at a club close to home than you are at one any distance away.

If you're just looking for a hobby, then find one that won't offer distance as an reason not to train on any given day.

If some one wants an art that doesn't kick high, dont grapple and do weapons, i dont think they will find it next door, i think they would have to travel a bit.
Cyclone an exuse not to train is still an excuse i bet even you have heard them all.
liike i said if its some thing you want dont be put off by a little effort just getting there.

I wouldn't take up any hobby that required me to travel long distances.
I sometimes travel hundreds of miles for jitsu, but if there hadn't been a club on campus (100 metres from my room) i'd have never started it.
You can't have that level of dedication when you are just starting it, and at the end of the day, it's a hobby, it's up to you if you choose not to train for a day, but having to travel 20 miles to a club will make that much more likely.

no offence jay_kd, But I don't drive, and due to the injury there are certain things I can't do.

please don't be so flippant saying its all an excuse, walk a mile in my shoes and see if you feel the same then.

If I come back to an art, it has to be near by.

I didn't say that you have to have a high level of dedication,just not to be put of by having to make a little effort to go and train, if we take Meroveus as an example (sorry) he used to teach Tae kwon do so his level of dedication would be higher than lets say, John Smith (madeup name) who is just starting out, he doesnt know what he wants to do, he just knows he want to do a Martial Art, its all the same when you start anyway, saying that its all the same when you have been training for over 20 years :hihi: :hihi: now meroveus asked for some thing very specific in the end,which even you know Cyclone he would have to travel a bit to get what he wants even as a hobby

So with that we are going to have to agree to disagree.

train hard train safe
see you soon
Mark

I think the 2 of you are spot on I think people want it easy and gust settle for the 1st club they come to i.e. the nearest one but. But like Jay-kd says if it’s a particular art you want the a little travel is in order and even more to find a good club at times im fortunate enough to only have to travel for about 1hr but when I was up Newcastle it would be a round trip of about 5hr sometimes more.

It’s the price you pay for particular styles


Mark
Oxma is a decent lad you will have to hook up some time i still think a night out on the town is in order mind you :hihi: that way we could all meet up:gag: :D

Hi Meroveus,
We've just started a club in the city centre. It's at the Victoria Hall opposite the Crucible Theatre. We teach Ju Jitsu and Kobu Jitsu. The main instructor is a 6th Dan Jitsu and 4th Dan Kobu Jitsu and we teach 10 weapons in all including Bo, Jo, Yawari stick, Tanbo, Naginate, Kama, Tonfa, Nunchaku, Sai and Katana.

All beginners and experienced martial artists are welcome. The training is suited to each persons individual standard.

It's pay as you train and at the moment there are 3 nights available. Tuesday. Thursday and Sunday.

Why don't you pop down and have a chat???

nmaa - I'd love to learn to use some weapons, is this a regular feature of the training? I bought a Bo staff a while ago but haven't had space to swing it in order to learn what to do with it!

Also, how much is it and what times?

Thanks,

Chris

Hi Chris

It's at the Victoria Hall opposite the Crucible Theatre. We teach Ju Jitsu and Kobu Jitsu.

It's pay as you train (£4.50) and there are 4 sessions available. Tuesday. Thursday and Sunday at the Victoria Hall and Saturdays at Clifford school.

Thusday, Thursday start 7.30pm Sunday 6.15pm


All beginners and experienced martial artists are welcome. The training is suited to each persons individual standard.

There are gradings every 3 months
Why don't you pop down and have a chat???

Regards John

Thanks for your post nmaa. Again due to my injury, there isn't much in the way I can do with groundfighting, from what I understand of Ju Jitsu, it is very groundfighting orientated isn't it?

How much would you say your classes do that is (for want of a better term) wrestling on the ground?

at what stage of training do you begin to incorporate weapons forms?

Are the weapons forms all pattern based, or is there some 1/2/3 step fighting / free fighting?

Thanks John, I'll pop down tonight for a bit of training. See you later.

Hi Meroveus
We teach Ju-jitsu as more of a self defence, so there is very little ground fighting.
On the weapons side of things we have a full syblus on this so you do not need to have any martial arts experance and we take it from there.
In the syblus you pick 4 of the 10 weapons and train and grade up in these and only become a black belt in these weapons and then go back and do the others. Only when 3dan can you say you are a kubo black belt as this is when all the weapon come togeather.
Come down and have a chat and we can explane better.
John

I don't want to get into an argument, but how can self defence not include ground fighting? Given that about 90% of fights in the street do end up on the floor at some point.

I don't want to get into an argument, but how can self defence not include ground fighting? Given that about 90% of fights in the street do end up on the floor at some point.

Yes 90% of street fights end up on the floor. THEM on the floor and me standing above them :P

Im getting interested here.
Ok ive never had a scrap in my life, im 45 and half blind.
My girl friends brother is a black belt in...something, Im not sure what, but his balance and fitness is brilliant for a bloke whose 6 feet 6 and weighs in at something like 20 stones.
Would there be anything for a walking fossil like me to do? as a fitness hobby and a way of self defence if ever i should need it?
Ive never needed to defend myself in the past but you never know.

you should be arrested if you are involved in 90% of street fights :P

Im getting interested here.
Ok ive never had a scrap in my life, im 45 and half blind.
My girl friends brother is a black belt in...something, Im not sure what, but his balance and fitness is brilliant for a bloke whose 6 feet 6 and weighs in at something like 20 stones.
Would there be anything for a walking fossil like me to do? as a fitness hobby and a way of self defence if ever i should need it?
Ive never needed to defend myself in the past but you never know.

I'm sure there is. It won't turn you into bruce lee, but it might give just make the difference one day (or hopefully you'll never need to find out).

I'm sure there is. It won't turn you into bruce lee, but it might give just make the difference one day (or hopefully you'll never need to find out).
I going to check the ads here.
As things are I just lift weights in the gym but I need more.
Thanks for that.

you should be arrested if you are involved in 90% of street fights :P

Id say the figure would be more like 85% of street fights :P

I don't want to get into an argument, but how can self defence not include ground fighting? Given that about 90% of fights in the street do end up on the floor at some point.

Only if the person you're fighting has a good take-down technique!

Only if the person you're fighting has a good take-down technique!

Ill agree with that. Going to the ground in the streets is like jumping into a fire to keep warm. You go to the ground and his seven mates print "size 9" and "budweiser" all over your skull.

Most street fights are like this:

"what you ****ing looking at"
"hmmm hmmm ,.... errrrrr"

BANG!!!
Guy hits the floor Bad guy puts the boot in a couple of times and then takes his phone/wallet,...

I'm not suggesting that going to the floor is in any way a good thing.

But if you do find yourself there, having trained to fight on the ground gives you a chance to get back up.

Having not trained on the floor because you don't want to be there means that you're staying there.

I know which scenario i'd prefer.

90% of fights going to the ground came about from the gracies to promote BJJ, I remember when the adds were in the USA Mags just around the time of the First UFC,naother promotion for BJJ that proved it worked.
90% of Fights that the Gracies had would go to the ground, because thats what they wanted, nothing wrong in that if it works, and I know BJJ works.
If you are planning on going to the ground then maybe 90% do.

It also depends how you class a fight as going to the ground, do you both have to be there or can one of you be there.
i supose it also depends on what you class as having a fight, you both throw a punch,you get punched they or you run off is that still a fight:?:

When i was working last Friday (28/07/06) i saw a guy having a fight across the road from where i work, with 3 Different people, (not all at the same time,all one on one the details are to long to type the whole thing)not one of these little fights went to the ground, a few punches were thrown and that was it, so if 90% of fights go to the ground, at least two of the fights should have.

I know personaly that 90% of my street/work situations (don't like fighting:D )have not gone to the ground, a few have but no where near 90% but then i wasn't planning on hitting the floor.

one thing i can say is that 100% of them started standing:hihi:

Cyclone your right any form of self defence should include at a basic level, grappling standing up and on the ground,also how to kick and punch, plus other stuff but we would be here for ages.

90% of fights end up on the floor ? I worked on the doors for 7 years and the only time I saw fights go to the ground was when the people fighting were ******!!! I also train in Thai and BJJ I love the ground game and think it is very important to incorporate this into your training. I think it very important to remember though 99.9% of fights start standing.

Hi Meroveus
We teach Ju-jitsu as more of a self defence, so there is very little ground fighting.
On the weapons side of things we have a full syblus on this so you do not need to have any martial arts experance and we take it from there.
In the syblus you pick 4 of the 10 weapons and train and grade up in these and only become a black belt in these weapons and then go back and do the others. Only when 3dan can you say you are a kubo black belt as this is when all the weapon come togeather.
Come down and have a chat and we can explane better.
John

Can't make it this or next week due to work, but how about I pop in tuesday 15th?

Tam

btw
is the Kobujutsu the same as this?

http://www.rkagb.com/

that seems to be the only reference I can find.

this is a kubodo class essentially yes?

fair enough, i'll reassess my position on the percentage. But even so, self defence should include fighting in places you'd really rather not be at least to the point of being able to change that situation.

I'm not suggesting that going to the floor is in any way a good thing.

But if you do find yourself there, having trained to fight on the ground gives you a chance to get back up.

Having not trained on the floor because you don't want to be there means that you're staying there.

I know which scenario i'd prefer.

But the training doesn't cater for biting, eye gauging etc :) Which in all honesty, I'd be more than prepared to do if I had to!

sounds interesting

doesn't it? I was bitten yesterday at training, twice. And I poked someone in the eye and used a good handful of hair to take their head back.

That said, you learn the basics and all the little nasty bits like you say can be put in afterwards.
If you bite someone who's intent on smashing your face in, all you're likely to do is remind them that have teeth too. And if you poke them in the eye, whilst they're in some way winning a fight against you (ie sat on top of you punching you in the head) you'll find that eye poking works more effectively for the person on top.

Learn how to fight technically first, then re-add the nasty bits afterwards.

doesn't it? I was bitten yesterday at training, twice. And I poked someone in the eye and used a good handful of hair to take their head back.

So if you were on the ground taking a hammering, maybe in a submission that you couldn't get out of, you wouldn't do what was necessary for them to release the hold?

of course I would.
But chances are if i'm in that position, i'm loosing because they are a better fighter than me.
Poking them in the eye will just get me poked in the eye, and they are in a far better position to do so than I am.

There's no magic formula that means you (or me) will always win.

Some systems are sport based with certain rules. some systems have no rules.
I like to train in both the above. At the end of the day though if you are attacked on the street **** the rules!!!!!