It's something most people put off thinking about. Some people believe that when your numbers up it's up. Others believe they will live forever. The reality is nobody is immortal, What do people feel about dying? Are you afraid of it? Is there a certain age when you do think about it or do you just know when your about to go, I'm talking natural deaths here.

No point in worrying we are all going to the same place but hopefully later rather than sooner.
It does,nt frighten me because you just don,t know when ya numbers up but if i got a terminal desease then maybe then i will start to worry.
Puts Euthanasia in a possitive position, saves people worrying why not do it and save the heart ache.

I read somewhere that scientists believe that if people of our generation (Born in the 1970's) live to be 100 years old. They could live forever with the rate technology is going now!

Life expectancy is on the rise but forever, well i can,t see that ever happening.
Could you imagine the state of the population if that happened, although i would,nt mind it, it would cause chaos.

mm there's a goodbook about that - holy fire by Bruce Sterling. Good if you're into so-called 'cyberpunk' fiction.

if each year medical technology can increase our lifespan by a little more, then eventually we will become immortal - that's the logic.

problem is that assumes a neat progression of medical technology, which simply isn't the case

And being kept alive is definitely not the same as living.

Life extension techniques and technology can be so expensive that youd spend your entire life working to afford it.

I fear dying, because it can be extremely painful, and because of the emotional pain for yourself and others.

But death is nullity, the void, nothing to be afraid of at all. Neither is it anything to look forward to (unless you are in extreme pain).

Even if scientists could 'cure' people of death and make them immune to death from old age, I don't think they'd let many have it. How would the state support so many pensioners?! A select few might be granted it, such as popular and famous people that have done good in their life.

What about an eternity like the one in Vanilla Sky?

Originally posted by "t020"

Even if scientists could 'cure' people of death and make them immune to death from old age, I don't think they'd let many have it. How would the state support so many pensioners?! A select few might be granted it, such as popular and famous people that have done good in their life.

Dream on t020. A select few wouldn't be granted it, a select few would buy it.

Originally posted by "t020"

Even if scientists could 'cure' people of death and make them immune to death from old age, I don't think they'd let many have it. How would the state support so many pensioners?! A select few might be granted it, such as popular and famous people that have done good in their life.
Presumably, if they had cured people of death, they would also be able to cure people of old age, so there woudn't necessarily be a vast number of pensioners.

Originally posted by "Mike"

Even if scientists could 'cure' people of death and make them immune to death from old age, I don't think they'd let many have it. How would the state support so many pensioners?! A select few might be granted it, such as popular and famous people that have done good in their life.
Presumably, if they had cured people of death, they would also be able to cure people of old age, so there woudn't necessarily be a vast number of pensioners.


Yeah but given the fact that births would continue, if deaths ended, the population would be infinite, and therefore unsustainable.

True - just as well it's not about to happen anytime soon.

I wouldn't say that I was scared of dying, just scared of dying alone really. I've not really thought about it, to be honest, but if we're all going to the same place there should be nothing to worry about!

Everyone is afraid of dying, it is I suppose the fear of the unknown.

Whats to be scared of really? All it is is nothingness. We cease to be. You certainly wont know about it. The thing id be scared about it knowing i was going to die and having a limited time left. I doubt i could come to terms with only having a limited amount of time to do stuff - my next of kin would certainly have to come to terms with paying off my bank overdraught. I sort of hope i get dementia when im really old and about to die so i dont know about it but thats a bit selfish really.

Hi Kittykat,
As PRM. said the only thing to be afraid of is fear of the pain usually involved in aproaching death, otherwise it would be like going to sleep.

My ladyfriend says she wants to die in her sleep as her father did, but I tell her we are not able to choose, it is like a lottery, you might win bvut then you might not.

We all know it's going to happen, it's just a matter of when.
You can't live life worrying about it, life is there to be lived, not to worry about it ending.

Live life to the full, always do what you want to do and don't have any regrets.

My view intirely as long as you are happy and whats the point of having regrets.
Think about what you want out of life and go for it.

As Woody Allan says "It's not that I'm afraid to die, I just don't want to be there when it happens"

One thing is for sure... we'll die one day.

So reassuring t020. :cry:

Originally posted by The Cycleracer
So reassuring t020. :cry: well i dont worry about it i know it will come one day but i hope i am not in pain

It is true no one is immortal. How do you explain near death experiances then. I have no answer for that one.

How do we know there is nothingness when we die, if people are'nt afraid to die why do we do what we can to stay alive? I think there is life after death. Two things we can never avoid Death and Taxes, put death has the last say if you let it.

Im not afraid of dying, i'm afraid of getting old and losing my independance and a good quality of life, i'm also afraid of suffering in pain but not dying.

When you are dead your gone over and out, one minute your here the next well gone i supposse

As has been said before whats the point in worring about something that you can do nothing about! :)

This may seem shallow, but I believe that once you're gone, you're gone.. I don't believe in Heaven and Hell, and I don't believe in life after death.

My main theory of life is that it is a gift, live it how you want to while you have it..

I would like to think that I could somehow meet up with the people who had gone before me. It would be nice to also think that you could just go back into another pool of life. I suppose realistically speaking I am apprehensive. I mean who in their right mind would be actually looking forward to it!!

Being dead doesn't worry me.

It's the dying part that scares me. I want to be able to make peace with myself and know that there's enough morphine available.

I've experience the physical feeling of dying and being regifted life earlier this year. It's just an accelerated version of becoming unfit and growing old. It made me realised that 'getting old' and becoming 'unfit', 'unhealthy' are just euphemisms for dying.

If your becoming unfit, your actually dying. I can't believe so many people in this country see exercise and physical fitness as such a terrible option. I also don't see the point of working until your 70 just to sit down on the sofa because you haven't respected the gift of life.

On the plus side, the feeling of regaining / becoming fit again is like being reborn. I managed to run up Carterknowle Road a few days ago (1 steep up hill mile) and have scaled Sca Fell. It's good to be alive

A tad freaky, but what if peoples brains were to be removed and added to a machine, similar to the matrix, but without the body. Then we could live forever, look and feel how we want on a big internet system of brains.

Not afraid to die.. I just hope my kids outlive me.

I honestly believe there's something else to move onto.. just not sure what. I'll find out when it's my time eh?

Originally posted by dylan_61
Being dead doesn't worry me.

It's the dying part that scares me. I want to be able to make peace with myself and know that there's enough morphine available.

I've experience the physical feeling of dying and being regifted life earlier this year. It's just an accelerated version of becoming unfit and growing old. It made me realised that 'getting old' and becoming 'unfit', 'unhealthy' are just euphemisms for dying.

If your becoming unfit, your actually dying. I can't believe so many people in this country see exercise and physical fitness as such a terrible option. I also don't see the point of working until your 70 just to sit down on the sofa because you haven't respected the gift of life.

On the plus side, the feeling of regaining / becoming fit again is like being reborn. I managed to run up Carterknowle Road a few days ago (1 steep up hill mile) and have scaled Sca Fell. It's good to be alive

you're damn straight man. So true. I've just started to get fit again and i feel like a different person.

If we are to believe in the term "Body and Soul" with the body being organic and the soul being a force or energy, then i believe in the scientific adage that energy can't be destroyed, just transformed into a different state.

Dying is just moving onto another plane, we are but time travellers and this is just one phase of our travels. Having said that......

I wanna die like me Grandad in my sleep , not like the rest of the passengers in his coach screaming in terror...lol. oh well another day nearer the crematorium.

owdlad.

in 97 i knew my daughter who was 8yrs at this time that she might not b here for too much longer
, i gave her 18ths/2yrs for sum unknown reason
and thought very hard about when the time was to come
what would happen and how and why etc
id always said it would b nicer 4her 2go in her sleep
and not hooked up to ventilaters etc and for me and my family watch my child die
its the worse any1 can go though she died 2yrs 3mths later age 10yr
but i do think its nicer for people to go peacefully
my little girl went to bed laughing with a fit of giggles as always
im just sorry i didnt know it was her last night
but i know she didnt suffer as i did get told the progress of what happens when we die by her great consulant who was totally honest and
answerd every question i asked
she just went to sleep and didnt wake up something that i carry with me always in my mind and heart

Ange your post made me cry. Im not scared of dying, cos i know im going to heaven, im looking forward to it, not that im rushing or anything, im just not atall scared. more scared of other people dying like family and friends. my boyfriends best firend died a couple of weeks ago, at 24, running up the stairs, tripped and got computer wire strangled him and he died. just shows, he was running upstairs back to his computer conversation.

you should value your life as much as possible, live healthy, stop smoking, exercise etc. I have recently stopped smoking, now drink under a 1/4 of what i used to and living a lot healthier i feel 100% better.

linds
x

it's actually the death of other people that bothers me more than myself. In fact, the death of the family dog in another 7 or 10 years time can me make me pretty upset. But that's not pain for them, it's just selfishness, we don't want other people to be gone, they are part of our lives (anthropmorphism onto the dog there, for the purpose of this conversation he's a person).

Originally posted by Cyclone
it's actually the death of other people that bothers me more than myself.

I agree, selfish I know, but to say having children or a life long partner die, it would be so hard living without them, when you are to die, you die, your entire existence can be over in a second in some cases.

When I was about 12 years old I lost my Aunt Francis, a game old lady who was very dear to me. It was the first time that someone dying had actually had a major impact on me - to this day I remember what was on television the moment that I heard.

I remember being scared to death about dying for several months afterwards, but eventually it just became something I was comfortable about. I'm not afraid to die - I just want to do a lot before I go! I'd be genuinely sad to leave the world behind because it really is a marvellous place in so many ways.

I've had a few occasions when I've had run ins with death - involving bears and cars, primarily, and am very open minded about it. I treat it very much as moving to a different room in terms of existence.

Like someone else has said, the deaths of others concern me more than my own. For many years the prospect of the death of my mother was a great concern; when it finally came it was 'right' if that makes sense.

Ange, I have to say that a great tragedy in anyone's life is to see their own children die. It isn't 'right' in any way, shape or form. I hope that the passing of the years between now and then have made things a little easier.

I find it harder to deal with the deaths of people younger than me than the deaths of those older.

My main thing about death is that I'd like to be remembered with love and warmth by those I've left behind. There is a rather interesting little book called 'The Bridge of San Luis Rey' by Thornton Wilder, which is about the deaths of 5 people in an accident in Peru. The last lines of the book are :

"There is a land of the living and a land of the dead, and the bridge is love, the only survival, the only meaning"

Anyway who says we are going to the same place,some around here will be going down a level or two,lol
Besides I beleive in resurection so I might come back and haunt some of you lot in another form.

I'm not sure how I feel about dying really. Last year, my best friend died suddenly in her sleep and I was devastated. She had young children and was on her own. I couldn't sleep for weeks, thinking, "this night it could be me." I had an awfull dream where I told my friend I was missing her and she said not to worry as I was going to die on Boxing day and would soon see her again. I was terrified and stayed awake all that day and night. I was so relieved not to have died! It really made me think about my own mortality.

In the last 8 months I have seen two young children of close family friends (aged 10 and 12) both lose their parents. Both their other parents were already dead and now they both have to live with their sisters.

Life's a bitch but I guess when your time's up, it's up.

I have to say that you a right when you say when your numbers up it's up,this is my outlook on life and having seen my nearest and dearest die it's the way I now look at this subject.
I suppose if you have certain religous beleifs then this will affect how you view death,but it's coming to us all so what the hell eh?

Sorry, haven't had time to read the last few pages, so i'm sorry if i repeat what has been said.

I never used to fear death, but I never understood it. After losing my closest friend last year to cancer, I thought I understood it better. I don't know why, but recently it's been on my mind a lot. I can't stop thinking about losing those around me and how i'd cope with it.

Also, even though I know after I die I won't exist to appreciate it, I worry that those who know me may be quite upset. I'm having real trouble coming to terms with the whole concept. It's even invading my dreams. It's almost like i'm 5 years old again and trying to understand. I don't know. I think I'm just going through a phase or something

Andy you are suffering post dramatic stress dissorder you will get over this,I have also experienced this condition.
What has happend is you are missing the peron who has passed away and you are in mourning.
You might not realise this but you are beleive me, all I can say is that time will get you through this but it will always be in the back of your mind.
Best of luck ,it's not easy.

Andy, it sounds like you've been deeply affected by the death of your friend, I think it will time to get over it, but YOU WILL.
My dad died of lung and throat cancer (he was a heavy smoker) in the early 80s. For two or three years after, every sore throat, every small thing, I became obsessed that I had cancer. My girlfriend at the time was having 'councelling' (because of her own issues with bereavement) her coucellor said my reaction was not uncommon.

Footnote: I know we have communicated about stopping smoking, - even when my dad died of it, I did not stop, untill ten years later, (but you know that story!)

Mick

I also remember as a chid of about 9 years, laying in bed at night, in the dark, thinking about death, and FEELING so very strongly that any sort of 'nothingness' after dying was not an option.
(I had not been indoctrinated in church, by the way) I still feel the same way, obviously have read related material over the years that 'backs up' my beliefs.
Basically i am a 'pantheist' I think that all of the universe is significant and meaningful, from the big bang, and whatever preceded the big bang, that the whole thing is unending and cyclical, that we are part of it (of course) and that when we die our consciousness will remain. Ultimately, after that I feel that we will 'voluntarily' (happily) relinquish consciousness/ego and
merge with a universal energy, and at some point the whole thing will start again, in a different way, energy, matter, creation,
Oh b*gger, I'm mad, aren't I ?
Try not to trash me too harshly.. Posting now (click)

Sounds better to me than sitting on a cloud with a harp for all eternity - imagine the joint problems you would get with all that damp!

One of my Grandmas died about 15 years ago and that made me think deeply about death. I was very close to her. She was a strong lady who brought up my Dad and his two brothers on her own, since my Grandad died in 1939, holding 2 and 3 jobs at a time to pay her way.
She died after a fall left her bed ridden in hospital for months. My Dad had looked after her for many years, visiting her daily in her flat that he had secured for her near his house. During her many months in hospital my Dad decided he was going for a weeks holiday abroad. The day he left for his long needed hols I had a phone call from my uncles to tell me that Nan had taken a turn for the worse and that I should go to Hospital.
My Nan died holding my hand that morning. I was struck that what I had witnessed was as incredible as being at someone's birth.
My Dad returned immediately and i wanted to tell him all about it to get it off my chest but he wouldn't listen. My Mom told me that he wouldn't have been able to handle his Mums death and that, although he wouldn't tell me, he was glad I was there for him. The whole thing hit me really hard. She was such a big character (despite being under 5' tall) in my life that I was ill for some time.
I just find it hard to believe that strong feelings of love aren't more than just chemical reactions.

phew..got that one off my chest.. sorry to ramble

what's the saying

"plan to live forever, and live every day as if it's your last"

What a pleasure to read a posting for a change that has no sniping, bitching and whinging. Pity it is about such a grim subject.
I was at my mothers bedside when she died about 3 years ago. It was after a very short illness and was a shock to us all. Having said that, all 4 of her children were there and I remember the whole thing being very peaceful and not at all frightening etc. Perhaps that's the way to go. Peacefully and surrounded by your loved ones......

my grandfather died recently, i was pretty upset for the evening I found out. Then internally upset for about a week or two. The funeral was quite hard. but now I can accept it, it wasn't a surprise either, so maybe that made it easier.
I feel more sorry now for my Gran, than I do for myself (which is what the sorrow is at the end of the day).

I guess i'm lucky that it hasn't affected me too profoundly.

I did have one strange dream, must have been 2 months later. I won't go into details but it was a bit grim, not a nightmare though, just unpleasant and slightly gross. I figure that was my subconscious finally putting the fact to bed...

Being at the death of a loved one can be quite a profound and moving experience.

I was with my mother when she died and as someone has said it was quite a special experience. I felt that it was 'right' that just as she'd bought me in to the world I was there to see her out of this world.

Its not something I've really thought about but Hopefully I'll have a long life so i can see my kids grow up and have families of there own....

There is NO, NO, NO, NO, NO WAY that when the lights go out they go out forever.

I think that the concept of death bothers me simply because I am incapable of imagining it. That is of course presuming death to be the permanent end of consciousness. If there is something beyond, I'll find out soon enough. Either way, I'm not afraid of death. What I'm afraid of is the manner of my dying: Will it be painful? Will I be unprepared? Will my last thought be one of regret? Would I prefer to die suddenly and unexpectedly, or would I rather have time to put my affairs in order before I go? I don't know.

Same here Lickszz - it's not actually dying that worries me , its the type of death.

My Dad was killed when he was 34, obviously this was sudden and unexpected - for us left behind that was the worst death, for him, the best.

My step father died a year ago from lung cancer due to asbestos poisoning - a long painful death - although it was horrible to see him suffer- at least we all got to say the things you never get around to saying to eachother when people are alive because you think you will see them tomorrow!

I never leave the house on an argument especially with my kids you never know what could happen and I make sure the people close to me know how I feel about them.

Just try to make every day count. :)

I'm more scared of the people around me dying.. As selfish as it may be, I'd rather die before anyone in my family dies... Even my dog :(

I found Joe's posting rather moving. I hope that I am able to do the same for my own mother. There is a dignified completeness about it. Although, I hope 'complete' only in relation to this plane.

My father died five years ago. I still find myself mentally pencilling- in some humorous anecdote or story I have heard for his amusement, only to realise that he is no longer around to hear it.

I'm not scared of dying as long as it's quick and painless.

As for what happens after, I'm not sure, I guess I'll find out at the time, I watched "What Dreams May Come" last week and that had some very good images of what it might be like, good and bad.

I do hope the architecture is better in the afterlife.

Personally I'm not afraid of dying - I firmly believe that we go on to a better life.

My other half is the complete opposite - it really scares him. A year ago this Thursday he was beside his 50 year old mother as she passed away after a long illness. Before her death she picked out a poem that she felt the family could take comfort from.

Do not stand at my grave and weep;
I am not there. I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn raid.
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry;
I am not there. I did not die.

x

How do I feel about dying? Ask me afterwards.

Originally posted by Tony
How do I feel about dying? Ask me afterwards.

Are you Zap Brannigan ? :)

Dying scares the hell out of me, as does the thought of anyone I love kicking the bucket.

I just find the whole concept really wierd and hard to get my head around. It's one of the main reasons I'm a vegetarian - meat just seems like death on a plate. I hate watching butchers carving slabs of dead flesh off pigs and stuff too, just find it kind of wierd and sick.

The though that anybody could die at anytime is scarey too. How many times have you nearly tripped crossing the road or had a narrow miss with another car? It's so easy. One simple mistake and that's it - your gone.

Originally posted by nick2
Are you Zap Brannigan ? :)
I assume that I have just reinvented somebody elses quote :D

Originally posted by Tony
I assume that I have just reinvented somebody elses quote :D

"How do I feel about death Kif ? Ask me on the other side".

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ange
[B]in 97 i knew my daughter who was 8yrs at this time that she might not b here for too much longer

Ange your post brought me to tears. I'm so sorry. When my father got ill he was given anything between 3 months and 9 months to live. He managed to last almost 8 months from diagnosis. I still find it extremely hard to come to terms with the fact that he's not here anymore. I remember him telling me one time that he had the easy part, it was us that would be left that had the hard job.

They might be physically gone, the people we love but they don't ever die. We keep them alive in our hearts, in our thoughts and memories and sharing these with other people will keep them alive always.

This is really disturbing me these days. I have started to have really disturbing dreams about people I know dying. I dont see them die, but someone else close to me tells me they have died.

The other night I dreamt that my boyfriend told me my sister died. I couldn't get back to sleep and just cried for ages. I was in bed alone and couldn't really cope with it. I had to phone my sister at 7am to make sure she was alive (somehow, she wasnt mad with me!!)

I think this may be a symptom of added stress recently in my life, or something else. I think I may be feeling a bit similar to you, andy. Sometimes I play over in my head what it would be like if one of my friends or family died, and then end up crying, and then have to snap out of it, which makes me feel a bit pathetic.

"The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question, is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride..." And we... kill those people.

"We have a lot invested in this ride. Shut him up. Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account and my family. This just has to be real." Just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money.

A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defences each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace." Bill Hicks 1962 - 1994

Death is as light as a feather. Its life thats the burden.

The thought of being dead has never bothered me for some reason, even when I was a child. I remember thinking as a kiddie that as I didn't know where I'd been before I was born, I shouldn't really worry about where I'd go after I died, as presumably it would all be taken care of for me!

When I was born I very nearly died, so maybe that somehow dispelled any fear of death I might otherwise have had? I don't know.

What I am scared of is the process of dying, as others have said! I'd really rather not be present when it happens! To go quietly in your sleep seems best to me.

Personally, I believe that 'death' is just the doorway to another level of existence. Whether that existence is in Heaven, or takes place through Reincarnation, or happens through a merging with a Universal Consciousness (God) - who knows?

I firmly believe that when we die, we only leave behind us our earthly body and burdens - the soul moves on.

Just my musings on the subject.

StarSparkle

Starsparkle,
Your postings are always lovely, and very endearing [in sharp contrast to my usual sardonic vituperation]. The previous one is no exception. I really like the idea of you trusting that everything would be 'sorted out' for you, when you were little.

In my view, nobody, from the Professor of Theology to the road sweeper, really knows what lies beyond. We are all in the condition of ignorance really, with most of us hoping that something [the soul?] will survive. Some of us affect a religious certainty that we are not within a million miles of feeling, in reality. Others, [like Bob Geldoff] cry 'Bring on Oblivion!', when inside the idea of not existing terrifies them. Philip Larkin referred to death as, 'the anaesthetic from which none come round' [Aubade]. That is the problem, nobody ever comes back to reassure us!

Aww, thank you, Timo - you're a sweetie

StarSparkle :)

I think if you worried about death you would never get anything done in life??

Originally posted by cra1g
I think if you worried about death you would never get anything done in life??

I agree totally - life is not a rehearsal!! Nobody knows when their time is gonna be so why worry....

I too, like many others on this thread have lost a loved one but you just have to think of it as a lottery.

I personally... like most would like to pass away in my sleep in old age but that doesn't always happen...I have lost many loved ones (friends and family) in tragic/premature circumstances and I am left hoping that my own demise or that of my beloved hubby or children doesn't follow a similar line...but if I think about it day after day I will not live a fulfilled life...just a life of dread!

I suffered a life threatening illness in 1995 (encephalitus) maybe that contributes to how I think today as it makes me think how lucky I am ....and everyday with my family is a gift!!

Tragically, a friend who helped me through my own illness succumbed to leukeamia in 2003 leaving 3 kids aged 17, 15 and 8.

How fair is that???

Originally posted by JoePritchard
Being at the death of a loved one can be quite a profound and moving experience.

I was with my mother when she died and as someone has said it was quite a special experience. I felt that it was 'right' that just as she'd bought me in to the world I was there to see her out of this world.


Same thing with me Joe, it felt "right" for me to be there,and i feel very lucky to have been able to have been with my mum at the end. So many people miss out on it (for various reasons),and i know that a lot of people find that in itself hard to deal with, they feel robbed of their final moments together.

To be honest i am not afraid to die, i just don't want to leave my hubby and kids behind. My natural instinct is to look after them, and i can't do that if i'm not here can i ?

Ange, losing your little girl must have been devastating for you,life deals out some very cruel cards at times.I am at a loss for something to say to you, everything seems inadequate in the circumstances. Take care , memories last forever, and your little girl will live on in you with those memories.

The only thing I ask for is dignity,I don't want to be put in a home, pushed in front of the television,in someone elses clothes,with stains all down the front, to while away the hours from one grotty meal to the other, while some young kid tells me to go to the toilet.I hope by then someone will give me an injection.

Death??? Bring it on
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