Had this argument in the pub before ... what is the closest road to the Town Hall? The whole area is surrounded by streets, not roads. I reckon it is Suffolk Road (near the railway station) but I could well be wrong. Also, what is the highest point in Sheffield. Some say the t.v. mast in Lidgate Lane Crosspool, but I think the Hallamshire golf course at Lodge Moor must be higher still. Whilst we are on this thread, I reckon the lowest point is where the Don river runs behind Saville Street (near the Wicker arches). Correct me if I'm wrong.

Don't know about the first two, but since the river Don is going downhill as it goes towards Rotherham, would lowest point be where it crosses the city boundary near Meadowhall?

would the top of st philips road be nearer ?

Leadmill Rd?

Leadmill Rd is right.

Another pub argument is how do you get from Rotherham to Sheffield townhall without passing any pubs?








You don't you go in them all!!

I would say Arundel Gate.

I would say Arundel Gate.

You are joking, right?

The thread refers to ROADS, that is street names which end in ROAD.

Here's an example: Ecclesall ROAD. Geddit?

Arundel Gate ends in GATE. Now if it was Arundel ROAD you'd have a case, only there isn't an Arundel Road to the best of my knowledge.

Thus, Leadmill ROAD is very likely the nearest ROAD (not GATE, STREET or LANE) to the Town Hall.

There.

You are joking, right?

The thread refers to ROADS, that is street names which end in ROAD.

Here's an example: Ecclesall ROAD. Geddit?

Arundel Gate ends in GATE. Now if it was Arundel ROAD you'd have a case, only there isn't an Arundel Road to the best of my knowledge.

Thus, Leadmill ROAD is very likely the nearest ROAD (not GATE, STREET or LANE) to the Town Hall.

There.

That 'road' that runs alongside it!:P ;)

Just cracked up at the thread referring to Arundel Gate. People often say 'Surrey Street'! ... err, no, it must be road! ... I reckon I must stand corrected. Leadmill Road is a tad nearer than Suffolk Road. I also asked about the highest point in Sheffield. Any ideas anyone? My guess is the Hallamshire golf course at Lodge Moor ... could be wrong though.

Ask any Sheffielder which road you go to Town 'all and from 'moor and they'll se tek that rooad theer,pinston street,they're all roads,tha nose.

I also asked about the highest point in Sheffield. Any ideas anyone?

I believe that the highest point in Sheffield is on the school playing fields, just above the junction of Fox Lane and Birley Lane, there is a stone post, with a plaque on it, declaring this fact.
If you wanted to be pedantic, the top of the high-rise flats at Herdings would probably be higher...

Trig. point on the school playing fields at Fox lane is 210 feet, Lodge Moor hospital is about 290 feet, High Neb on Stannage is 451 feet, and Margery Hill within the Sheffield boundary is 548 feet.

I hadn’t noticed before that all the roads around the town hall are suffixed “street.” All I can say is that in medieval England "street" means a paved road as opposed to a dirt track. (All the Roman Roads were called “street” i.e. Watling Street) I know that isn’t what you mean and you pose an interesting question.

OK, so it seems Margery Hill at 548 feet is the highest point, except that many readers (including me) don't know where Margery Hill is? Please enlighten us. On the subject of nearest road, it was suggested the top of St. Philips Road is nearer than Leadmill Road but I don't think so.

OK, so it seems Margery Hill at 548 feet is the highest point, except that many readers (including me) don't know where Margery Hill is? Please enlighten us.

Here you go:

http://streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=418895&Y=395685&A=Y&Z=4

OK, so it seems Margery Hill at 548 feet is the highest point, except that many readers (including me) don't know where Margery Hill is? Please enlighten us. On the subject of nearest road, it was suggested the top of St. Philips Road is nearer than Leadmill Road but I don't think so.
That is interesting. Netherthorpe Road is a touch nearer than St. Phillips Road. (Netherthorpe Road is the duel carriageway that comes out at Brook Hill Roundabout, where the tram goes down.) Now if you look at the map Leadmill Road comes out on Sheaf Square at the bottom of Howard Street, and it is only a step from there up Howard Street, across Arundel Gate to Surrey Street and the Town Hall.

So it's a close call between Netherthorpe Road and Leadmill Road. Maybe if I get time I can drive both routes and check the Odometer reading although the drive would not be as the crow flies. Maybe 2 pieces of string on the map will decide it?

If Margery Hill is within the Sheffield boundary, then at 548 feet it must be the highest, despite it being very rural and miles from the nearest built up area.

So it's a close call between Netherthorpe Road and Leadmill Road. Maybe if I get time I can drive both routes and check the Odometer reading although the drive would not be as the crow flies. Maybe 2 pieces of string on the map will decide it?
I think a piece of string on a map will do it. Have you looked at the map by the way? If you do, see if you can find any more ROADS near the Town Hall.

If Margery Hill is within the Sheffield boundary, then at 548 feet it must be the highest, despite it being very rural and miles from the nearest built up area.
Margery Hill is the highest point, and you are right it is moorland, that is why I included Lodge Moor Hospital because it is in a built up area. Just.:)

You are joking, right?

The thread refers to ROADS, that is street names which end in ROAD.

Here's an example: Ecclesall ROAD. Geddit?

Arundel Gate ends in GATE. Now if it was Arundel ROAD you'd have a case, only there isn't an Arundel Road to the best of my knowledge.

Thus, Leadmill ROAD is very likely the nearest ROAD (not GATE, STREET or LANE) to the Town Hall.

There.

Ok ok dont get your knickers in a knot, at the end of the day who the hell cares, whether its a road, street, gate or flippin well avenue, and Im not thick so you dont have to SPELL it out alright chum!

It has to be road. If it was 'street' it would be take away the debate ... too easy - Surrey Street, and don't say 'Pinstone Street' as the pavement is wider at the front of the town hall entrance ....

Has anyone found a road nearer than Leadmill Road yet, or is Leadmill Road the winner?

I think it is Suffolk Road folks. Take a look at this map.

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=435750.829409163&Y=386750.278878849&width=700&height=400&gride=435691.829409163&gridn=386677.278878849&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=GB&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=true&zm=0&scale=5000&multimap.x=156&multimap.y=22

Grahame is right. Suffolk Road (outside the railway station) is closer than Leadmill Road.

I hadn’t noticed before that all the roads around the town hall are suffixed “street.” All I can say is that in medieval England "street" means a paved road as opposed to a dirt track. (All the Roman Roads were called “street” i.e. Watling Street) I know that isn’t what you mean and you pose an interesting question.

On the 1780s map of the town there are very few 'streets' in Sheffield (and no 'roads' at all), and I believe until around 1750 High street was the only one.

Even Church street was Church lane until it was widened in 1790-ish and Pudding lane had the alternative name of King street. Most of the conversions to street names involved widening and/or re-alignment and of course a lot of new 'street' were built as the urban centre developed. Of these Norfolk street and South street were the main new thoroughfares and even then South Street reverted to 'the Moor' by which name it had been known for centuries.

Initially as turnpikes were built 'roads' were named after the places they led to, - Chesterfield, London, Abbeydale and Ecclesall etc. But then as suburbia boomed the developers or landowners had more or less the final decision on what to call the roads and or streets they were adding to the town and 'road' became generally synonymous with 'street'.

Could Glossop Rd be nearer? I think it is nearer than Leadmill

Could Glossop Rd be nearer? I think it is nearer than Leadmill
Glossop Road is a good one, I hadn’t thought of that.

Click on these two maps and see if you think Glossop Road is nearer to the Town Hall or Suffolk Road. I think Suffolk Road is the nearest myself.

[The Town Hall is where the Blue ‘I’ symbol is for tourist information]



http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=435000&Y=387000&width=700&height=400&gride=434567.994979659&gridn=387152.964274794&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=GB&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=&zm=0&scale=5000&multimap.x=264&multimap.y=23


http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=435500&Y=387000&width=700&height=400&gride=435691.829409163&gridn=386677.278878849&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=GB&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=true&zm=0&scale=5000&multimap.x=349&multimap.y=172

I think Graham is right. Suffolk Road just shades it.