I just read a book called 'The Game' and would highly recommend it for several reasons (including the fact that it is very well written and has a fascinating storyline) to both men and women.

I first started reading it with a sense of skepticism, but from reading some of the anecdotes in there I really began to see how the right approach could work, and make social situations generally more fun. Have to admit, I'm quite tempted to learn a bit more about the concept and test it for myself.

Essentially, it's based around the idea of using certain conversational patterns and ploys, and on a more complex level neurolinguistic programming, to control group dynamics and establish oneself as 'alpha' - the most interesting and socially valuable member of a given group. In the case of speed seduction, this is done as rapidly as possible with the primary aim of appearing attractive to and establishing a quick bond with women either in order to get sex quickly or to meet long term partners more easily. I'm sure the precepts utilised could also be used in other situations too, however.

One thing that does stick out consistently as advice for men, is that the nice guy approach really doesn't seem to work - not that you should be an obnoxious ****, but that nice generally means polite, respectful manners which means conformation with social norms which means essentially appearing asexual. The rest from there is mostly just being interesting, entertaining and steering conversations away from facts and towards feelings / more personal lines of inquiry.

Though I'm reasonably confident, social dynamics are something that I've sometimes struggled with as I've never really understood or cared for the rules of social value and so on and generally prefer to hang out with smaller groups. However, codifying these rules suggests that 'natural' ability may not be strictly necessary, and that the ability to manipulate social situations is rather a product of technique.

Is this something that everyone else realised years ago and I've only just caught on? Anyone else read this book or heard of these ideas previously? If any women have read this book, what did you think of it? I'd be interested to get a female opinion...

Is this the book that was written by Neil Strauss ? It may have referenced to other works by Ross Jefferies if im right could you tell me where you found a copy because ive been looking for one for and age. There was an extract in GQ last October.

I'll just answer quickly for now, Crayfish, as I'm about to turn in. May add more tomorrow.

I've not read the book, but I have come across the concept of "Speed Seduction" in a few places. I get the feeling it's primarily designed for manipulation of other people's emotions - basically, almost to fool a woman into getting intimate with you, by pretending to be something/someone you're not.

Very, very naughty in a bad way - and totally without principles.

I see it being recommended on the internet a lot for sad blokes who can't get a date as a quick way to get what they want from women. I really think it sucks. You'll never have any sort of relationship with anyone if it starts out based on manipulation and dishonesty.

As I say, I've not read the book, so maybe I am judging it a bit harshly. There may well be some good stuff in there for people who're not very socially adept, and advice that could be put to good use. But from what I know of it, the concept of "speed seduction" seems to be really quite nasty, encouraging its students to see other people as 'things' to be outfoxed, rather than as other human beings to genuinely communicate and connect with.

StarSparkle

I'll just answer quickly for now, Crayfish, as I'm about to turn in. May add more tomorrow.

I've not read the book, but I have come across the concept of "Speed Seduction" in a few places. I get the feeling it's primarily designed for manipulation of other people's emotions - basically, almost to fool a woman into getting intimate with you, by pretending to be something/someone you're not.

Very, very naughty in a bad way - and totally without principles.


I see it being recommended on the internet a lot for sad blokes who can't get a date as a quick way to get what they want from women. I really think it sucks. You'll never have any sort of relationship with anyone if it starts out based on manipulation and dishonesty.

As I say, I've not read the book, so maybe I am judging it a bit harshly. There may well be some good stuff in there for people who're not very socially adept, and advice that could be put to good use. But from what I know of it, the concept of "speed seduction" seems to be really quite nasty, encouraging its students to see other people as 'things' to be outfoxed, rather than as other human beings to genuinely communicate and connect with.

StarSparkle


If its the book I read the extract from in GQ it is more of an NLP guide to body language. It merely explains things to look for to find whether a person is attracted to you. As I said though I havent read the entire book so cant comment on the validity of Star sparkles comments.

StarSparkle - some of the characters in the book did use it to pretty much that end, tricking women into bed. However, the techniques and concepts detailed were simply tools, like anything else - how someone used them would be up to them. I can see a lot of potential for spicing up social interaction in general. Other characters used it to break the ice to women but when the time came were more clear about the length of relationship that they were looking for. Generally, the female of the species seemed to be getting just as much out of most of the encounters as was the pick-up artist and when fully cogniscent that it was a one night or one week relationship were happy to along with that.

I'm generally too honest to manipulate anyone but if the same ends (being more socially adept / interesting and being able to manage social situations to reach any predetermined goals that one would be looking for from that interaction) could be reached with a combination of such techniques and honesty then I'd be happy. Also, I could imagine manipulation somehow becoming easier when it's a complete stranger... that's something I'd have to think about though.

The moral of the story in the end was that the sad geeky types who learnt all the rules and became very adept at meeting and initially attracting women didn't have the long term skills to back it up and some eventually had break downs of some sort. I feel that I'm reasonably okay at the longer term side of things but that meeting people isn't my greatest skill, thus I would be interested in expanding on these ideas to fill in the gap - obviously without the skills to meet people the longer term mentality is useless. Plus the ability to initiate mutually respectful and beneficial short term relationships is attractive.

Donuticus - I bought it from www.amazon.co.uk as a random impulse, think it cost around 12 pounds for the hardback but the paperback was cheaper. Absolutely fantastic read even if you have no interest in learning the subject matter, one of the best written books I've read. My mum's reading her way through it at the moment, not sure if that might be a mistake!