I hear the police have found a body in Ecclesall (near the old Wards Brewary site). Anyone know owt about it?

Its not in the Star

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This topic quickly shifted towards the whereabouts of Ecclesall. For the next 3 months(!) this debate has raged on across the forum. To prevent death by boredom for the majority of the forum's users, I have now consolidated all the threads about Ecclesall road in to this topic. I apologise if the topic doesn't flow or make sense, but that is purely down to users creating many new topics about same subject. All further references to the whereabouts of Ecclesall will be put in to this topic. Hopefully we can move on and discuss more interesting topics soon?
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(edited by geoff, Sept 29 2003).

What makes you think its murder :?:
Could be a junkie or alcho died in a bindge, as they do.

Ah ha the cycleracer is involved and trying to cover his tracks!

Call the police.... thats another one solved Watson!

Damn, i,ve been rumbled..........Better Run.

Originally posted by "The Cycleracer"

Damn, i,ve been rumbled..........Better Run.
Or cycle! It's faster :P

Originally posted by "The Cycleracer"

Could be a junkie or alcho died in a bindge, as they do.
It could be a MI5 spy, who was going to bring down the government by exposing a huge scandal. Unluckly for him, the bad guys nailed him in Sheffield and made it look like an overdose case... :shock:

What an imagination!!! :wow:

Government scandal Geoff..........What do you mean. :oops:

Originally posted by "geoffbowen"

Could be a junkie or alcho died in a bindge, as they do.
It could be a MI5 spy, who was going to bring down the government by exposing a huge scandal. Unluckly for him, the bad guys nailed him in Sheffield and made it look like an overdose case... :shock:

that's what they want you to think.

Originally posted by "DaBouncer"

What an imagination!!! :wow:

What a smiley!!! :D

Originally posted by "Internetowl"

I hear the police have found a body in Ecclesall (near the old Wards Brewary site). Anyone know owt about it?

Its not in the Star

I think you'll find that Ecclesall doesn't start until about another 1 - 2 miles up the road. Where you mean is nearer Sharrow. Take a look at the A-Z.

Originally posted by "t020"

I hear the police have found a body in Ecclesall (near the old Wards Brewary site). Anyone know owt about it?

Its not in the Star

I think you'll find that Ecclesall doesn't start until about another 1 - 2 miles up the road. Where you mean is nearer Sharrow. Take a look at the A-Z.

Easy mistake to make as it's still Ecclesall Road there. I'd imagine there's plenty of people who mistakenly think Millhouses and Dore are part of Abbeydale as they're on Abbeydale Road and Abbeydale Road South (assuming, of course, that Millhouses extends to/past the Millhouses pub - I admit I'm not entirely sure there).

Oh well then, as long as it wasnt in t020s area its ok.

Eccesall has a history of murder being the area where the notorious Charlie Peace undertook his foul murders.

well the report gives it as Ecclesall. Studentville apparently..

calling that area Ecclesall is like calling the bottom of London Road, Dore.

t020 get orff ya high horse about where Ecclesall is you whinging big girls blouse! I'd class it as Ecclesall and so would the residents!

And when you said Whirlow is more classed as Ecclesall is a joke!
It's actually got it's own name plate when you go into the area as Whirlow... and it's more upper class to Ecclesall!

:P :P :P

Get your A-Z out then! Where internetowl means is virtually city centre, how can that be classed as Ecclesall when the actual area of Ecclesall isn't for another 2 miles up the road? Just because the road is called Ecclesall. If I'm driving down London Road am I in London?

Originally posted by "t020"

Get your A-Z out then! Where internetowl means is virtually city centre, how can that be classed as Ecclesall when the actual area of Ecclesall isn't for another 2 miles up the road? Just because the road is called Ecclesall. If I'm driving down London Road am I in London?
:lol: :lol:Sorry to disagree Bouncer but in this case i happen to aggree with t020.
Ecclesall starts around the Wheatsheaf Pub just after Bents Green and i would say Wards brewery is closer to Sharrow.
Whirlow though is more upper class than Ecclesall so aggreemant on that. :wink:

Originally posted by "t020"

If I'm driving down London Road am I in London?

:lol: LMAO!!! (Good point though!)

Yes Whirlow is. But I'm sure DaBouncer wouldn't like his area being tarnished with an ALLEGED murder that happened over 2 miles from his actual area.

You say Tarnish as though Ecclesall is imune from being associated with crime.........Why are you ashamed of crime in Ecclesall, you know murders have happened in Ecclesall before and crime goes on there to as much as anywhere else.
Ecclesall is not full law obiding citizens....Remember Parkhead house.

Crime happens everywhere, but I don't think you can say it happens equally in all areas of Sheffield, because it doesn't. There are many outsiders on this forum that may want to move to Ecclesall, but could be put off thinking it is some kind of murder capital just because a body has been found over 2 miles away. I think it is important to clarify the facts on important issues like this, thats all.

Fair point.Ecclesall is a nice area to move to but one murder is,nt going to put people off moving there.
If someone wants to move to Ecclesall and comes on this forum to ask opinions of it then i,m sure it will recieve possitive feedback, I live at Longley and this area gets tied with Parson cross but where i live is as nice as where you live, granted most of Longley cannot be put in the same bracket.
But most importantly if someone thinks about moving to Ecclesall then they would certainly go and check it out before hand and i,m sure it will prove possitive, but i,m just saying crime rates in Longley are not as high as Parson Cross and i,m sure Ecclesall is the same but burglarys are high in your area simply because its an affluent area.
If you want to burgle a house then go somewhere where its worth burgling, thats what the criminals think.

Originally posted by "The Cycleracer"

Get your A-Z out then! Where internetowl means is virtually city centre, how can that be classed as Ecclesall when the actual area of Ecclesall isn't for another 2 miles up the road? Just because the road is called Ecclesall. If I'm driving down London Road am I in London?
:lol: :lol:Sorry to disagree Bouncer but in this case i happen to aggree with t020.
Ecclesall starts around the Wheatsheaf Pub just after Bents Green and i would say Wards brewery is closer to Sharrow.
Whirlow though is more upper class than Ecclesall so aggreemant on that. :wink:
Apologies, I though we were refering to the area around Hunters Bar round about... DOH! In that case t020 is correct!

But I AM right about Whirlow not being Ecclesall at all!

A violent murder happened down the road from me and i was more bothered about the person who was murdered and whether the murderer got caught, etc than whether my area would be classed as 'bad' cos of it. Having said that though it is annoying if your area gets a bad name when it doesn't deserve to.

Cycler where abouts in Longley do you live? I'm also Longley based currently....its a bit dodgy in bits although the road I live on is pretty quiet except for the teenage girls across the road.

Originally posted by "Internetowl"

Cycler where abouts in Longley do you live? I'm also Longley based currently....its a bit dodgy in bits although the road I live on is pretty quiet except for the teenage girls across the road.I live very close to Herries Drive.....P***R Rd.
Is that near you.

Theres a sign outside the flats across the road from my pub that announces you're entering Ecclesall.

Originally posted by "Classic Rock"

Theres a sign outside the flats across the road from my pub that announces you're entering Ecclesall.

Nice one Classic. That's it then, the murder was in Eccesall. That should make people in Sharrow/Broomhall sleep easier in their beds.

Doesn't it say Welcome to Ecclesall ROAD?

you lots make me laff - how could something so serious as a bit of old buchery digress into a discussion about the rights and the wrongs of being 'misplaced' as residents of the steel city. Purely comical and neglects the original point as raised by the stunning Internetowl. The truth is this - Ecclesall Rd spans a vast distance covering; Broomhall, Sharrow (sorta), Hunters Bar, Greystones, Bannercross, Ringinglow, Ecclesall, Whirlow, Dore. Each place is independant and rightly so. While a mincer living in Broomhall might enjoy his/her new found status as a resident of Ecclesall - i doubt very much that this view would be shared by the residents of the rather posh Ecclesall itself. I think it is funny to think that this has sparked such a redundant debate - you have to feel for the poor lad/lass that got mooked in order for such a debate to arise. God bless the Porter Brook - the body will no doubt work its way down stream!!!! By the way - the sign that greets you reads 'Welcome to Ecclesall Road' and if i recall rightly it mentions something along the lines of being sponsored by Fiat AutoWorld at last count.

ermmmmm finally - Internetowl, i want your babies!!! xxx

Well, thank you at least for being in the seemingly minority of Sheffielders who understand the fact that Ecclesall is a separate area to a road named after it a few miles away.

might have been that old so and so from the star pictures across the road from the brewery who walked up and down in the aslies shining his torch,had a limp come to thing of it yea i hope its him he ruined a great night once on the back row grrrrrrrrr.

i used to live ON ecclesall rd (nr banner cross) and it was horrible.

drunk students waking you up at 3am, graffitti and sick outside our house from their antics and once a wheelie bin through our front window! that area is ROUGH.

and once i saw some girls hitting a barbie doll with a brick. theres just nothing provided for the youth to do in that area.

not that i'm area-code-ist or anything.

I wouldn't go as far to say that Ecclesall Road is ROUGH. It does have some graffiti problems in places, and drunk students do seem to be taking over and working their way further up towards hunters bar and banner cross.

just because its more expensive to live around there and theres a plethora of restaurants doesnt mean anything.
most of the people who drink down the champs/nursery end of eccy rd are not from that area. i've seen hordes of then catch the bus in. put their evisu or ironed shirt on and join the middle classes they do.

Champs is the town end of Ecclesall Road. I'm saying that, whilst students can get drunk and rowdy, you could hardly call Ecclesall Road a rough area. I'd feel 10 times safer walking down there at night than I would in the town centre or on other big roads like London Road. Also, remember Ecclesall Road IS NOT Ecclesall.

Oh for goodness sake t020. Why are you so protective of your precious Ecclesall?

And, more to the point, why are you more bothered about what people think of your area, than the fact that someone is dead???

[i] Also, remember Ecclesall Road IS NOT Ecclesall. [/B]

Yeah I think we get the message now, it is getting rather tiresome and you are starting to sound like a snob.

Originally posted by t020
I wouldn't go as far to say that Ecclesall Road is ROUGH. It does have some graffiti problems in places, and drunk students do seem to be taking over and working their way further up towards hunters bar and banner cross.

they aren't working their way up - psalter lane campus has been there for decades so theres always been studes there. if anything its all about the city centre living - loads of halls/flats been purpose built there.

But better students then women in 4wheel drive cars doing their shopping, just parking anywhere!

BTW Back to the thread - the body was that of a student!

The Classic Rock Bar is on Ecclesall Rd and we certainly don't say we live in Sharrow. We say we are at the bottom end of Ecclesall Rd near town - I reluctantly mention Safeway if people still don't figure out the location. I wouldn't say that we are IN Ecclesall but I wouldn't say we are IN Sharrow either. My last pub was in Sharrow and it's nothing like Sharrow. I'm in the ward of Ecclesall. To be frank I don't care, as long as people find the place and drink copious amounts of beer.

Oh and I have a 4 wheel drive car that I take shopping and park where I want as long as it's legal and I won't get a ticket. Is that such a crime?

Originally posted by Classic Rock
The Classic Rock Bar is on Ecclesall Rd and we certainly don't say we live in Sharrow.

IMO you're in Broomhall.

I thought Broomhall was further up the hill towards the university.....but like I said (or should that be typed), I don't mind where I am, as long as people come in and drink.

Originally posted by Classic Rock
I thought Broomhall was further up the hill towards the university.....but like I said (or should that be typed), I don't mind where I am, as long as people come in and drink.

Is there still a Post Office in that little row of shops near you? It was called Broomhall Post Office, fyi. I wasn't making a point about it, just an observation.

Like most people, I wouldn't like the name of my area being linked to a murder that didn't even happen in or anywhere near the area itself. As I have said before, as well as lowering its reputation it could also affect house prices.

Call me thick, but ...

I just don't understand why people are more bothered about place names and road names ... more than the fact that a human being has died ...

Life is soooo cheap !?

Originally posted by JamieW
Call me thick, but ...

I just don't understand why people are more bothered about place names and road names ... more than the fact that a human being has died ...

Life is soooo cheap !?

Well you wouldn't understand, would you? You don't live in Eccelsall.

Funnnnnnnnyyyyyyyy

d'ya know what else happened when i lived there?
they had to shut down the petrol station cos some girl was soooo drunk that the lady in there had to take her home or else she woudda slept in there all night. that gal cuddna even walk. ecclesall! this is not firth park where the residents take 4 weeks to return Taxi Driver wot with them all being Skag heads round there.

i've got codes! i've got differen't area codes! hoes! in different area codes. 818, 213, S11, its all the same to me!

What are you talking about tina? You're STILL confusing Ecclesall ROAD with the area of Ecclesall. You're also spreading manipulative bull***** by the sounds of it, and obviously have a big chip on your shoulder for some reason. You also make no sense at all.

Originally posted by tinajones
d'ya know what else happened when i lived there?
they had to shut down the petrol station cos some girl was soooo drunk that the lady in there had to take her home or else she woudda slept in there all night. that gal cuddna even walk.

Perhaps you could reveal which petrol station this *story* refers to? I am aware of petrol stations on Ecclesall *ROAD*, but not in Ecclesall the area. It would not be unexpected for people to get drunk on Ecclesall *ROAD*. It is afterall, a student/young peoples area with several pubs, bars, and off licences, as opposed to being the residential area of Ecclesall. You seem unable to make this distinction, and I'm presuming by your post and the time it was made that you yourself were very drunk.

Originally posted by tinajones
ecclesall! this is not firth park where the residents take 4 weeks to return Taxi Driver wot with them all being Skag heads round there.

No! NOT Ecclesall! Ecclesall ROAD! Several bars and pubs along this road, not rare for people to get drunk... I cannot make sense of your next comment.


Originally posted by tinajones
i've got codes! i've got differen't area codes! hoes! in different area codes. 818, 213, S11, its all the same to me!

What on earth are you talking about? I don't know any post codes beginning '818' or '213', and I certainly am not aware of any 'hoes' operating in S11. You seem to be spouting libellous nonsense whilst being under the influence of alcohol, at 2.30am Sunday morning. Isn't that what any sane person would do after a drunken night out? Run home and get straight on a forum to make nonsense, libellous comments about the area along Ecclesall *ROAD*?

Could someone please add an R and a D to the end of the topic title.:o
If not I shall have to commit suicide:D

Originally posted by upholder
Could someone please add an R and a D to the end of the topic title.:o
If not I shall have to commit suicide:D

Would you mind not doing it in Ecclesall, please?

Originally posted by t020


What on earth are you talking about? I don't know any post codes beginning '818' or '213', and I certainly am not aware of any 'hoes' operating in S11. You seem to be spouting libellous nonsense whilst being under the influence of alcohol, at 2.30am Sunday morning. Isn't that what any sane person would do after a drunken night out? Run home and get straight on a forum to make nonsense, libellous comments about the area along Ecclesall *ROAD*?

do you not listen to the radio?! its some american urban song, hence the US zipcodes or block numbers - whatever they are. my point is that YOU are being AREA-CODE-IST.

and no i don't have anything against ecclesall - like i said i used to live there and many of my friends still do. nor do i have anything against firth park - that comment was also tongue en cheek to get my point across. at least i have a sense of humour unlike you who just gets wound up.

and as for being 'very drunk' how come my post was coherent and spelt correctly? now who is being libellous and presumptuous.

Originally posted by maxt
Would you mind not doing it in Ecclesall, please?

I just PML :D

Originally posted by tinajones
do you not listen to the radio?! its some american urban song, hence the US zipcodes or block numbers - whatever they are. my point is that YOU are being AREA-CODE-IST.

and no i don't have anything against ecclesall - like i said i used to live there and many of my friends still do. nor do i have anything against firth park - that comment was also tongue en cheek to get my point across. at least i have a sense of humour unlike you who just gets wound up.

and as for being 'very drunk' how come my post was coherent and spelt correctly? now who is being libellous and presumptuous.

I would hardly say your post was coherant or spelt correctly. You also STILL seem to be missing the point. You said yourself that you lived on Ecclesall Road but despite pages and pages of trying to differentiate between Ecclesall as an area and Ecclesall Road, you are STILL saying you lived in Ecclesall. Can you either get a map and look for yourself, or shut up with your stupid comments?

Originally posted by tinajones
my post was coherent and spelt correctly

Just for the sake of balance, I think you ought to read your post again.

for the sake of arguments i think you should check my general level of spelling and grammer and you will see they are on a par with the late night post in question.
Plus i have live IN ecclesall and at a different time ON ecclesall rd, hope that clears it up.

Get's a bit warm in here don't ya think !!? :o

Originally posted by JamieW
Get's a bit warm in here don't ya think !!? :o
Yep... I can feel the heat! :lol:

The only difference between Ecclesall and Ecclesall Road is South.
All the same road aprt from when it enters South until it hits Hathersage Road.
Now i suggest if any one remembers a murder on Hathersage Road to keep it quiet before we get the residents of Hathersage complaining there being tarred with the same brush as Ecclesall.:lol:

Just as a matter of interest, does anybody know anything about the murder? We seem to have lost track of the original thread, again.

Who cares about the murder, its only a body, theres more important issues like not upsetting Ecclesall folk.8)

Originally posted by The Cycleracer
Who cares about the murder, its only a body, theres more important issues like not upsetting Ecclesall folk.8)

Yeah, but that's too easy.

Funnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyy

Originally posted by tinajones
this is not firth park ... wot with them all being Skag heads round there.

All of us?

broomhall is the area with costcutters in and classic rock id probably say u were too.


this conversation is making me laugh. if people dont like being woken up by students at night, done live on ecclesall road between hunters bar and safeway. it is not rough at all. ive never had any trouble on this road and its an increasingly popular and sought after place to live. if only amongst students. i live in a very nice house opposite varsity, and yes it may be a little noisy at times but u eventually get used to it.

yes does anyone know anything about the actual murder? details?

Abby please note the explanation comment!

Originally posted by tinajones
do you not listen to the radio?! its some american urban song, hence the US zipcodes or block numbers - whatever they are. my point is that YOU are being AREA-CODE-IST.

and no i don't have anything against ecclesall - like i said i used to live there and many of my friends still do. nor do i have anything against firth park - that comment was also tongue en cheek to get my point across. at least i have a sense of humour unlike you who just gets wound up.

chill out tina

Well I've just read most of this thread.
It seems like a bit of fuss to be honest! I used to live on Ecclesall Road. I used to say I lived on or off Ecclesall Road, not in Ecclesall, but so what if I had said I was in Ecclesall, my friends would have known what I meant!

My question is, if Classic Rock is classed as Broomhall, then you have Hunters Bar where the roundabout is and park, what is the area called between Classic Rock and Hunters Bar out of interest? It isn't Netheredge as thats further back from Eccy Road, it's not Sharrow, its not hunters bar, its not Broomhall. I just used to call it Ecclesall Road, good job I didn't drop the road bit, someone might have jumped down my throat! God forbid getting it wrong, so would someone classify this if you know? :)

WOW !!! Wish I lived in Ecclesall or Ecclesall *ROAD* ....... Could do with a chill out room on here to stop all the arguing - does it really really matter ???

Bless:lol:

Oh by the way - I forgot to add.....I just found a couple of teddies on floor - do they belong to anyone here by any chance ?

I have a number of questions and opinions.

1) Ecclesall Road is a road, Ecclesall is a place were all the snooty ppl live. There is a difference. If you want to talk to ppl who look up to the queen go up the hill and u'll see them.

2) Someone gets murdered and a bunch of you tits turn it into a conversation on areas, wtf does that say about you as people.

3) Is that classic rock place the biker bar in broomhall opposite the petrol station?

4) Students are drunk due to the stress of studying and partying, i know, im a student, and about the nearest to trouble ive had was a brawl in endcliffe park years back.

I'll reply to your number 3 if that's OK.

"That classic rock place" is correctly known as the Classic Rock Bar.

It is a biker pub, rock pub and damn good place to have a drink without having to put on any airs and graces, worrying about which shoes to wear or if jeans are OK, good value and a gentle step away from the usual faceless bars of the city.

We are next door to the petrol station.

We had the first Sheffield Forum meet there.

Actually, while I'm on a roll.....onto point number 4.....the stress of studying is one thing......the stress of partying???? Nah.

As for point number 2.....if you are trying to get a rise out of us then sadly you'll fail. Nice try though.

Oh and go on then.....point number 1.......define snooty? How many people have you studied and sampled to have created a population base to state that ALL people in Ecclesall are 'snooty'. You certainly are not a student of statistics or anything quantitative.

What a very unpleasant submission you have just made to this discussion group. I thought we were friendly towards each other in this forum. Your comments were about as much use as an ash tray on a motorbike.

:lol:

Originally posted by Classic Rock
I'll reply to your number 3 if that's OK.

"That classic rock place" is correctly known as the Classic Rock Bar.

damn good place to have a drink without having to put on any airs and graces
We are next door to the petrol station.

We had the first Sheffield Forum meet there.

As for point number 2.....if you are trying to get a rise out of us then sadly you'll fail. Nice try though.

What a very unpleasant submission you have just made to this discussion group. I thought we were friendly towards each other in this forum. Your comments were about as much use as an ash tray on a motorbike.

:lol: You beat me to it - I see another village is missing an idiot then ??!!??

[Edited by Tony Ruscoe - fixed quote formatting]

Actually im just bored, and reading forums, and adminning computers.

It was a bit out of order tbh.

I will drop by one day.

As for the idiot bit, well your opinion :)

Coolio !! I was KIDDING !!!:lol: :lol:

Honestly, Lindseyw is usually a very shy and quiet person :lol: :lol:

Sorry Lindseyw, couldn't resist...

Originally posted by cosywolf
Honestly, Lindseyw is usually a very shy and quiet person :lol: :lol:

Sorry Lindseyw, couldn't resist...

Exactly !!! See....I'm lurvely really :)

Ive been up 2hrs now, and well tbh bed was so much nicer apart from a doom laden dream that seems to haunt me on a regular basis. Full of apocalyptic dreams (no sleep for me a lately).

As for murders on ecclesall road or ecclesall, well its not the first, doubt it will be the last. Broomhall is worse for crime, i used to live there and got mugged quite a few times.

I will try the Classic Rock Bar one day, havent been in it for a good many years, since when i worked at the slug and fiddle, and we used to borrow glasses from whoever ran it back then. In fact i left the rock scene a while back, but i enjoy a place with a good atmosphere, and i can live with temporary deafness :D

Interesting debate. Even if the city centre end of Eccleshall road is two miles from actual Ecclesall itself, I don't think the 2 mile buffer will detract from the fact that a a corpse has been found in the vicinity. To my knowledge 2 miles isn't such a great distance to speak of. Regardless of that I don't think it will do much for those poor folk who have bought flats on the formers Wards Brewery site sold off theback of the Ecclesall "brand" so to speak, as Sharrow doesn't quite have the same ring to it! (Not to mention those nasty flats across the road behind the Shell Station).

1man&hisBMW

For those that still don't understand the concept, I have taken the liberty of finding the map on multimap, so you can use the link below. Notice how Ecclesall doesn't start until Ecclesall Road becomes Ecclesall Road South, after the junction with Psalter lane. The link provided shows area names, zoom in another notch to see the road names and you will see this clearly for yourself. Also, notice that this point is about 1.5 - 2 miles from where any 'murder' took place, which happened near the old Wards Brewery, at the complete opposite end of Ecclesall Road where it enters the town centre. I'm fed up with disputing this so please, look for yourselves:

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?X=432000&Y=384000&width=500&height=300&client=public&gride=&gridn=&keepicon=false&coordsys=gb&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&scale=25000&up.x=8&up.y=9

When you reach the map, click where it says 'Ecclesall' with your mouse. This will zoom you in and show what roads are in Ecclesall. Notice the distinct LACK of Ecclesall ROAD, but the presence of Ecclesall Road SOUTH. After noting this point, feel free to SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT.

Dear t020,

Please re-arrange these words to form a well known saying or phrase:

Change Record The.

Thank You!

Strictly speaking, Ecclesall Road is classed as part of Hunters Bar apart from the St Mary's Gate end is it not?

WOW someone has spat his cyber dummy :P

So Ecclesall Road is not in Ecclesall but ECCLESALL ROAD 'South' is?

Hmmmmm, OK. Ecclesall Road South is the SAME road as Ecclesall Road. It just happens to be the south portion of the SAME road. Hence it now donz the 'South' name.

t020, to be fair... you're right. The Murder happened no where near the area in which you live this is a fact. And yes, a few of us have engaged in winding you up about it because:

A) you rise to the bait.
B) you are arrogant with it, so it makes for good viewing.

But still Ecclesall Road South and plain old Ecclesall Road are the same road (which is why they have the same name).

Either way. Shall we let it rest now?

I would Andy, but certain people still pointless dispute the FACT, such as DaBouncer.

NB. I have taken the liberty of measuring the distance between the Wards Brewery site and the AREA of Ecclesall, which comes to just over 2 miles. Saying that this area is IN Ecclesall would therefore be equivalent to saying that Woodseats is in Whirlow, Crookes is in Fulwood, Hillsborough in Stannington, Stannington in Fulwood, etc etc. Of course, none of the above statements is true, so why then do some people think that the Wards Brewery site area is IN Ecclesall, when it clearly isn't? I realise that a road having the same name as an area could confuse people, but even so, one would think after all this time the concept would sink in.

Does anyone actually care about this,cos i know i don't give a monkeys.Is there something really special about ecclesall then??

Originally posted by DaBouncer


Either way. Shall we let it rest now?


YES PLEASE

Originally posted by mr craig
Does anyone actually care about this,cos i know i don't give a monkeys.Is there something really special about ecclesall then??

Eccles Cakes... or not :roll:

I think it is the same with Abbeydale Road and Abbeydale Road South and Hastillar Road North and Hastillar Road South. Both of these may be the same stretch of road but have vastly different areas and houses around them.

The A57 runs from Liverpool to Lincoln and goes though some nice and some really s*itty areas but you can't really class it as one road when talking about areas such as this.

God it really makes my blood boil to be agreeing with T020!

The A57 runs from Liverpool to Lincoln and goes though some nice and some really s*itty areas but you can't really class it as one road when talking about areas such as this.
alchresearch may I ask you one question.
Is the M1 the same road whether in London or Sheffield?

The A57 is still the same road no matter where it starts and ends is it not?

Just curious! Don't really get your point!

I'm with t020 on this, but t020 you are so windupable.

Can anybody tell me what murder this might me ?

His point is that just because a long road is the same road, it has many different areas running off from it. Also, Ecclesall Road South IS NOT Ecclesall Road, they are two different roads, hence the name change. Anyway, PLEASE can we shut up about this as I am finding it as annoying as everyone else is.

Um, small suggestion t020, why don't you start by not mentioning it again?

PS tried sending a pm but your mailbox is full.

Originally posted by max
Um, small suggestion t020, why don't you start by not mentioning it again?

PS tried sending a pm but your mailbox is full.

Everytime I do, someone comes along with another sarcastic petty comment which annoys me. I think I have proved my point by now. What I have shown is a FACT, not an opinion, yet still people take it upon themselves to dispute this.

PS. Will empty it.

It's ironic.

t020's worried that his area's reputation might be damaged if people think a murder happened there...BUT the murder, where ever it happened, would be long forgotten if t020 didn't keep going on about it! :lol:

8) Nah Den Ace......

Originally posted by t020
Also, Ecclesall Road South IS NOT Ecclesall Road, they are two different roads, hence the name change.

If that is the case, could you please show me where 1 Ecclesall Road South is?

I believe the numbers of the houses continue, despite the addition of "South"!

Regards,

Spacehopper (Pedantic? Moi? ;) )

Originally posted by Spacehopper
8) Nah Den Ace......



If that is the case, could you please show me where 1 Ecclesall Road South is?

I believe the numbers of the houses continue, despite the addition of "South"!

Regards,

Spacehopper (Pedantic? Moi? ;) )

You believe wrong. The numbers restart from the top of Banner Cross. Believe me, I know.

Originally posted by t020
You believe wrong. The numbers restart from the top of Banner Cross. Believe me, I know.

Damn it, he's right. I was a postman up there so know the numbers restart at Gilders which is 1, Ecclesall Road South.

8) Nah Den Ace.......

Originally posted by max
Damn it, he's right. I was a postman up there so know the numbers restart at Gilders which is 1, Ecclesall Road South.

Well, if you worked for the Crown, I'll have to give it to you!

Hold on! My A-Z's all to cock!!!! You're right the numbers do start at 1 from Gilders (Psalter Lane) BUT it doesn't change name til it get's to the Cricket ground.

If I were you, t020, I would write a letter of complaint the Geographers' A-Z Map Company Ltd!!!!!!!

Regards,

Spacehopper.

Well, if you worked for the Crown, I'll have to give it to you!

You sound like my mum. She used to tell people I worked for the government.

So it would seem that a certain P J Patel whose business premises are listed as:

434 Ecclesall Road
Ecclesall
Sheffield
S11 8XP

is in need of his own services.

http://www.nhs.uk/localnhsservices/opticians/return_optician.asp?id=3688

And, by the way, an electoral ward IS an area. I personally think that a section of Ecclesall Road IS a part of Ecclesall – to argue otherwise is akin to saying that a circumference is not part of a circle.

Hi,
Just another spoke in the wheel, according to the 'old sheffield town' wilsons snuff mills just off ecclesall rd in ecclesall employed a number of the population of ecclesall in 1796 is that the one near the berkley precinct ? obviously because of district boundary changes this is now classed as sharrow, it seems that ecclesall road is the boundary between S10 on the uni side and S11 on the wards brewery side, there is no indication of the exact start because all of the land boundaries have changed many times over the centuries.

So it would seem that a certain P J Patel whose business premises are listed as:

434 Ecclesall Road
Ecclesall
Sheffield
S11 8XP

is in need of his own services.

ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!

Wow... yet another thread created about Ecclesall and Ecclesall Road.

Yes, we all want it to stop but someone keeps adding fuel to the fire.

Originally posted by Carlwarker
So it would seem that a certain P J Patel whose business premises are listed as:

434 Ecclesall Road
Ecclesall
Sheffield
S11 8XP

is in need of his own services.

http://www.nhs.uk/localnhsservices/opticians/return_optician.asp?id=3688

And, by the way, an electoral ward IS an area. I personally think that a section of Ecclesall Road IS a part of Ecclesall – to argue otherwise is akin to saying that a circumference is not part of a circle.


So if an electoral ward IS the area, what are places like Bents Green, Whirlow, Greystones, Brincliffe, etc? Are they all simply Ecclesall? News to me.

Also, anyone within the electoral ward of Ecclesall could list there address as X, X Rd, Ecclesall. It doesn't mean they are located IN Ecclesall the area. We could always take this to the town hall and find out the exact boundaries of Ecclesall, the area?

Originally posted by t020
We could always take this to the town hall and find out the exact boundaries of Ecclesall, the area?

Bringing in the big guns are we t020? :lol:

Bung em a nice bribe and get the boundaries moved!

Originally posted by t020
Also, anyone within the electoral ward of Ecclesall could list there address as X, X Rd, Ecclesall

I don't normally complain about mistakes on the forum, but since it's you t020, doesn't the fact that you put "there address" rather than "their address" indicate that you're not very good at spelling.

Oh dear.

Originally posted by Andy
I don't normally complain about mistakes on the forum, but since it's you t020, doesn't the fact that you put "there address" rather than "their address" indicate that you're not very good at spelling.

Oh dear.
The spelling of the word 'there' was actually correct. It was just the wrong one to use. Would that not be t020's Grammar which not very good as opposed to his spelling?

Originally posted by DaBouncer
The spelling of the word 'there' was actually correct. It was just the wrong one to use. Would that not be t020's Grammar which not very good as opposed to his spelling?

Probably. All it really proves is that anyone can make a mistake when typing messages on the forums.

True. I mean, some people even make the mistake of thinking Ecclesall Road is in Ecclesall.

.

I always thought it was Eccleshall/Eccleshall Rd.

I must admit if id worked hard all my life and got myself a bit of money put away enough to live somewhere well thought of i wouldnt want people thinking anything other than where i lived was nice - an ecclesall road isnt exactly nice i mean i know they say its the golden mile of sheffield but i cant see it myself i go there every day and its nice enough in parts but once you get into ecclesall its nothing like the actual road the houses are lovely.

Originally posted by RPG
I always thought it was Eccleshall/Eccleshall Rd.

You thought wrong.

If i'd worked hard and got myself a bit of money i'd not go and live in Ecclesall! :lol:

I'd rather spend it on stuff I/others with me can enjoy than a house in an overrated area

Originally posted by t020
So if an electoral ward IS the area, what are places like Bents Green, Whirlow, Greystones, Brincliffe, etc? Are they all simply Ecclesall? News to me...



Instead of getting your knickers in a twist, why don't you first READ what is written. I simply stated that an electoral ward is AN area, which you previously denied. I'm perfectly aware that a ward can consist of several areas. It doesn't detract from my argument that a part of Ecclesall Road is a part of Ecclesall - hence the circle/circumference analogy.

Originally posted by kittykat
I must admit if id worked hard all my life and got myself a bit of money put away enough to live somewhere well thought of i wouldnt want people thinking anything other than where i lived was nice

What does it matter what other people think, so long as you're happy? Some people are happy living in the posh houses in Ecclesall and Fulwood, others are equally happy living on the Manor or in Pitsmoor or Attercliffe.

Originally posted by RPG
if id worked hard and got myself a bit of money id not go and live in Ecclesall! :lol:

Id rather spend it on stuff I/others with me can enjoy than a house in an overrated area

Yeah but i would like to live in an area that wasnt likely to experience as many thefts or vandalism and these areas are the expensive and exclusive areas so yeah id probably splash out - not that ill ever afford it working for the NHS and having to get called in every night to treat bloody drunken yobs (oh sorry - drunken people whom i have to have compassion with as their family members may have died)

sorry im beginning to sound a bit like old T:x

Originally posted by kittykat
sorry im beginning to sound a bit like old T:x

see what happens when you talk about wanting to move to ecclesall :lol:

KK,

I dunno, are you local to Moorgate Road in Rotherham?
I think there are some particularly desirable houses there, along Kingsway and Queensway aswell. You can see the money (mostly bank invested!) as soon as you enter Moorgate Road from the Whiston end!

1Man&HisBMW

You are right but the only problem is it seems like its just this one road which has some lovely houses on it but as soon as you come off it youre in the town centre again and it goes downhill from there. I do like Whiston though i think its lovely and wouldnt mind living there but the scale of rotherham compared to cities mean the nicer areas are tiny.

Originally posted by kittykat
You are right but the only problem is it seems like its just this one road which has some lovely houses on it but as soon as you come off it youre in the town centre again and it goes downhill from there. I do like Whiston though i think its lovely and wouldnt mind living there but the scale of rotherham compared to cities mean the nicer areas are tiny.

....and the nasty areas are closer.

hey dont knock that area,i made a very good living selling furniture and household goods in that area BUT as payers well totley/eccelsall etc the WORST PAYERS in the city.
it was well known that you had to struggle to get paid on time and 99% it was on the finance,so dont envy those people living in the big houses and with the flash cars its all DEBT.

I think I missed all the excitement. I didn't know there was such a big deal about this particular road.
Anyway everyone else seems to be getting on the bandwagon and no one seems to be "shutting up" So here's my 2 cents worth:-
My thoughts are that the bottom part of Ecclesall road, which is from Hunters Bar down to St Mary's Gate is not in Ecclesall any more than Ranmoor and Nethergreen are not in Fulwood just because they are on Fulwood Road. How about Manchester Road and Halifax Road. So does Manchester stretch all the way down to Crosspool and Broomhill now? Ecclesall is Ecclesall. Hunters Bar is not Ecclesall. It just happens to be on Ecclesall Road.
So, is London Road in London??
Settle down everyone. Why is it so upsetting. Who cares? :?

Hunter's Bar isn't even on T020s map, so does that mean people who live there mustn't say they do for fear of being told off!

Don't worry, it's not upsetting anyone but T020. Everyone else just finds it funny that it bothers him that much.

For those who got last weeks Property guide, check out a house on Ecclesall Road for sale... guess where? yep, its in Ecclesall.

It is a few pages pass the half way mark on the right hand facing page.

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What have I done now????? :twisted:

I’m only innocently pointing out something I found.

Firstly I'm not here to stir things up (the famous last words hey!)

But I was looking through my copy of Sheffield Unitary Development Plan Map (SW Area ( Mapping), where it shows the area of "Eccleshall" - thats right, with a "H".

Strange...but true!

1Man&HisBMW

Originally posted by Funke88
I think I missed all the excitement. I didn't know there was such a big deal about this particular road.
Anyway everyone else seems to be getting on the bandwagon and no one seems to be "shutting up" So here's my 2 cents worth:-
My thoughts are that the bottom part of Ecclesall road, which is from Hunters Bar down to St Mary's Gate is not in Ecclesall any more than Ranmoor and Nethergreen are not in Fulwood just because they are on Fulwood Road. How about Manchester Road and Halifax Road. So does Manchester stretch all the way down to Crosspool and Broomhill now? Ecclesall is Ecclesall. Hunters Bar is not Ecclesall. It just happens to be on Ecclesall Road.
So, is London Road in London??
Settle down everyone. Why is it so upsetting. Who cares? :?


AT LAST! We have someone with a brain!

Originally posted by John
For those who got last weeks Property guide, check out a house on Ecclesall Road for sale... guess where? yep, its in Ecclesall.

It is a few pages pass the half way mark on the right hand facing page.

SHOCK HORROR. It wouldnt be like an estate agency to talk up a property's credentials would it?! They also list houses in Greystones as Ecclesall, Totley as Dore, etc etc, all to make it that one step better where they can get away with it.

8) Nah Den Ace...........

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW
.........it shows the area of "Eccleshall" - thats right, with a "H".

Yes, me thinks it must have been called Eccleshall once upon a time................but even the posh people up there "drop their aitches" from time to time!!!! t020 - shame on you and your illiterate forefathers!!!!!! ;)

Regards,

Spacehopper.

I believe it was at some point called 'EcclesHall' yes. I am also glad to see you pronounce H as 'aitch' and not 'haitch'. This is correct, well done.

so i was right then! HA

Most of the stuff I say is very much tongue in cheek, but with just a HINT of seriousness.

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Why have they neglected to chage it on the UDP? Anybody have any idea when it became Ecclesall as opposed to Eccleshall?

I want to know where all my council tax is going, even though I don't pay it - but at least I can complain! huh!

1Man&HisBMW

Originally posted by 1Man&hisBMW

I want to know where all my council tax is going, even though I don't pay it - but at least I can complain! huh!

1Man&HisBMW

If you did pay council tax you would have received a brochure explaining where it all goes. fyi it mostly goes on education and social services but if you're really interested you can find out on the council's website.

fyfi council tax is only a small proportion of what is spent on services the majority comes from central government coffers.

Sarcasm is clearly hard to get across on the net :roll:

1Man&HisBMW

"The name Ecclesall probably derives from 'Hecksel-Hallr' meaning the witches' hill, or slope. That this area had association with witches and their like is shown also in Dobbin Hill, which comes from the northern word 'Dobby' meaning a goblin. And of course, nearby Endcliffe was the elf cliff or bank."

From OLD SHEFFIELD TOWN by J.Edward Vickers

We all know the reliability of the council for getting things right don't we !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From the begining there has never been a H in ecclesall only when the council has added one by mistake.

There was as far as I know. I think your 'Hecksel-Hallr' became Eccleshall over time and then just Ecclesall. Who knows.

The earlier portion of Broom Hall was built in the time of Henry VIII, that is from 1509 to 1547. The estate first belonged to the De Ecclesalls and extended from Crookesmoor to Sheffield Castle. Later the estate was settled by Robert de Ecclesall on Joan de Wanton and this passed to the Wickersley family through marriage.

.....always avoided joining CND in the hope that the Russians might bomb Ecclesall when the wind was blowing in the right direction (and Leeds).

a local newspaper is going to publish a shocking feature tomorrow that confirms ecclesall rd is indeed in ecclesall, the area!

you heard it hear first!

Take cover!!! Prepare for attack!!!!

and its going to be on page 14. its too late now for any complaints, its already gone to print! ha ha ha.

Shame that its wrong then really isn't it? Perhaps Saturdays edition could inform us that London Road is in London?

Originally posted by t020
Shame that its wrong then really isn't it? Perhaps Saturdays edition could inform us that London Road is in London?

i never said it was right - we've all done that argument to death. i just think its funny that the local rag has got it wrong too and what great timing!!!

and using london rd as an example is a badun' cos there isn't an area in sheffield called london so it wouldn't be an easy mistake to make.

i guess that sometimes the names of roads dont have a meaning, there just random.

trust me - some of the most popular threads on here have been around the whole ecclesall debate - do a search and find out why - if you have a spare hour to trawl through! i think they have all been merged into one now for convience. makes good reading!

It was just a comment - i dont actually have time - but thanks anyway!

Originally posted by Manhattanman
i guess that sometimes the names of roads dont have a meaning, there just random.

The road LEADS to Ecclesall, thats why its called it. Its not IN though.

tina - I don't really see it. A whole article pointing out (wrongly) that Ecclesall Road is in Ecclesall? Why would it? Also, to use another example then, what about Hemsworth Road being in Norton, Abbeydale Road not in Abbeydale, etc etc.

Originally posted by t020

tina - I don't really see it. A whole article pointing out (wrongly) that Ecclesall Road is in Ecclesall? Why would it?

its tinajones to you.

the feature's headline i can now reveal is:
"Its all at Ecclesall. Ecclesall Road, its the place to be seen in Sheffield."

Can someone scan it in or post the article? I'd love to see it!

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It is annoying that people confuse 2 places that couldn't be more different. Both are affluent, but one is known for its night life with bars and pubs, and home to many students, while the other is a quiet suburb with big houses and gardens. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm saying they are NOT the same place just because they both share the word 'Ecclesall'. Ones a road that LEADS to the place, hence the name, the other IS the place. I was hoping this issue was buried now as I'm tired of explaining it.

copyright my dear! you'll have to wait with the rest.

Originally posted by tinajones
a local newspaper is going to publish a shocking feature tomorrow that confirms ecclesall rd is indeed in ecclesall, the area!

you heard it hear first!


OOh what exciting news!!!

Perhaps they are going to rename the area around the Northern end of Ecclesall Road to 'Ecclesall' to avoid any confusion to people who don't know better? :P

yes, i'm sure the retailers would benefit from their new found status.

How come you know so much?

What is your role in this then TinaJones?

i've just been in this tahn too dahmn long...

Originally posted by alchresearch
Can someone scan it in or post the article? I'd love to see it!

Haha, don't feel so smug now do ya moving out of Sheffield, hey hey? hehe! :lol:

1Man&HisBMW

Alchresearch - drop £10 into my paypal account: This account (sales@mobileunlocked.co.uk) together with your address and I'll post you a copy of it!

Originally posted by tinajones
its tinajones to you.



ROFL
:wow:

You tell em girl!!

Originally posted by tinajones
i've just been in this tahn too dahmn long...

Do you work for The Star then? Or are you in cahoots with moonmidden and her crystal ball?

Sheffield Stir? NEWSpaper?!

London Road is a bad example, but Eckington Road isn't in Eckington, Chesterfield Road isn't in Chesterfield, Mansfield Road isn't in Mansfield and Rotherham Road isn't in Rotherham. They are so called because they lead to their names. Ecclesall Road is called Ecclesall Road because it leads to Ecclesall!

Just to confuse you, Handsworth Road is partly in Handsworth, but it also leads to Handsworth from Darnall! Discuss!

Sheffield Road is in Sheffield :P

Mansfield road doesn't lead to Mansfield, i just invented that one!!!

Pleasent Road is quite nice ;)

Originally posted by max
Do you work for The Star then? Or are you in cahoots with moonmidden and her crystal ball?

and yes i can be found shouting "thurthe stcaaaaaaarygh" on fargate. (with my portable laptop beneath the red box) come and buy a copy!

its in the sheffield telegraph actually!

[moved to another thread by me]

Someone could examine this map (http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~exy1/images/Ecclesall_Bierlow_map.jpg), it shows Sheffield Townships including Ecclesall Bierlow linked from this page (http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~exy1/maps.html).
My screen is too small to work out where Ecclesall starts in relation to Ecclesall road.

PS these are Carlwarkers links from another thread about crookes
and not provided by me.

this is not intended to be a thread about the debate, its merely an observation that the telegraph has picked up on it.

(reposted from another thread)
Well, for my personally definitive answer on the whole debate, I have turned to two citable sources, The Ordnance Survey Landranger Map, and the AZ Premier Street Map, both of which are on the wall behind me (covered in string and coloured pins!).

The Ordnance Survey puts the district name 'Ecclesall' at E326N845, right by the churchyard and war memorial where Ringinglow Road meets the A625.

The AZ premier streetmap lists the A625 as Ecclesall Road up to Bents Road on the right (heading out of town) whereafter it becomes Ecclesall Road South.

So, Ecclesall the district appears to include roughly 1/2 - 3/4 of a mile of Ecclesall Road between Brincliffe Edge Road and Dobcroft road.

It would be fair to say IMO that Ecclesall Road does indeed lie in Ecclesall, as well as possibly Broomfield, Sharrow Vale, Banner Cross, Parkhead, even Greystones.

(joking - no strings or pins on maps behind me, have a nice sat photo of sheffield though)


Is there are parish of Ecclesall, or some other geographic entity which might shed further light on its boundaries, such as they are?

A clear boundary would settle the matter once and for all.

I've reposted to a new thread. That map, and the others on the site are not sufficiently up to date. Need a modern parish boundary map maybe?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
(A clear boundary would settle the matter once and for all.

Or a big fight.....

You can see why they get confused, since the areas are so similar.

Mind you, that murder up in Ecclesall must have freaked the locals out a bit.

I think its time to start building a wall, bring on Hadrian!!!!

Just up from the shops at Banner Cross, stop any riff raff going further up and out into Derbyshire.

Look up Gilders in the telephone book and their address is 1, Ecclesall Road South. see previous posts on this.

They are at the junction of Psalter Lane so that is where Ecclesall Road ends and Ecclesall Road South begins.

so, has anyone actually got their grabby hands on a copy?

I have showed you multimap, which is up to date. The A-Z also shows clearly where the area (not council ward) of Ecclesall is. Like rarstar says, most roads like this are so called because they LEAD to the place in question.

I'm tired of this debate though. If you'd like to believe that Ecclesall runs right from the end of Whirlow right down to the town centre, stretching half the diameter of the city, then thats your choice. You'd be wrong, you'd make Ecclesall the biggest area in Sheffield taking in numerous other areas which you have seemingly disregarded, but hey, you'd keep this stupid debate running that little bit longer wouldn't you? Goodbye to Banner Cross, Greystones, Brincliffe, Endcliffe, Hunters Bar, Sharrow, Broomfield. You are all now Ecclesall apparently, because you all happen to run off Ecclesall Road. It was nice knowing you, but Ecclesall has swallowed you up and become the city's biggest area by a long shot, stretching around 3.5 miles in total.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
(reposted from another thread)


So, Ecclesall the district appears to include roughly 1/2 - 3/4 of a mile of Ecclesall Road between Brincliffe Edge Road and Dobcroft road.



No, thats where you're wrong. Ecclesall Road becomes Ecclesall Road SOUTH just after Banner Cross where Psalter Lane joins, therefore from Brincliffe Edge Road is also Ecclesall Road South, thus NOT Ecclesall Road, and proving what I have said all along. Cheers Phanny.

Yes Dabouncer, Sheffield Road is in Sheffield. However if you are in Rotherham it is the road that leads to Sheffield.Everything is relative!!!!!:twisted: :roll: :lol:

Originally posted by tinajones
and yes i can be found shouting "thurthe stcaaaaaaarygh" on fargate. (with my portable laptop beneath the red box) come and buy a copy!


has anyone got a better spelling of the above promotional rendition?

As a result of constant 'clever' remarks by some users who take it upon themselves to relate nearly every post in some way to a sarcastic Ecclesall/ Ecclesall Road comment, I have created this thread with the intention of burying this topic, which is becoming increasingly tedious. Please read on....

The Facts

- Ecclesall Road runs from the 'Safeway' Roundabout near the town centre, right up until the top of Banner Cross, approximately a 2 to 2.5 mile stretch
- During this stretch, it runs through/past Broomfield, Sharrow, Hunters Bar, Endcliffe, Banner Cross, Greystones and Brincliffe.
- At the top of Banner Cross, the road changes to Ecclesall Road South. This is proven by the fact that the 'Gilders' VW Garage has the address '1 Ecclesall Road South'.
- When driving from the Ecclesall area towards town, one drives along Ecclesall Road South until Banner Cross. Near the top of Banner Cross, i.e. no longer in Ecclesall, a sign clearly states: 'Welcome to Ecclesall Road'.
- Ecclesall Road, as previously mentioned, runs about 2 to 2.5 miles, and Ecclesall Road South carries on beyond this point, for about 1.5 miles until you find yourself past Ecclesall (though still on Ecclesall Road South). In total, if you believe this whole road to be one area, Ecclesall would be up to 4 miles in length, spanning most of the radius of the city. This is clearly not the case.
- Road maps, such as the A-Z, have the 'Ecclesall' area marked clearly, above Greystones, just off Ecclesall Road South. This is clearly not on any part of Ecclesall Road.
- There is a voting ward called 'Ecclesall'. This is for political and not geographical reasons, and so takes in several other areas too, some of which may run off Ecclesall Road. Please don't let this confuse you.
- Some estate agents who wish to sell their property at inflated prices may claim their Wards Brewery 'luxury' apartments on Ecclesall Road are in Ecclesall. Ecclesall however is approximately a further 2.5 miles up the road from this point, so this is clearly not the case. Sharrow is a safer bet, but understandably Estate Agents would prefer not to describe an over priced property as being in Sharrow.

With these facts in mind, it is obvious that Ecclesall Road is *NOT IN* Ecclesall, but rather, simply *LEADS TO* Ecclesall, which begins at the top of Banner Cross when Ecclesall Road becomes Ecclesall Road SOUTH. Major roads with place names in them are often so-called because they LEAD to the area in question.
I know a lot of you who dispute the clear facts are purely trying to wind me up, but still some of you actually don't understand the concept of where Ecclesall and Ecclesall Road are in relation to one another. This post should put the issue to rest once and for all. I for one am sick of it, and thought it was over, but still I read sarcastic comments from forum contributors. Hopefully they will read this thread and finally understand the facts. If they still wish to believe that Ecclesall Road is in Ecclesall, then they must also believe that Ecclesall is Sheffields biggest area stretching nearly 4 miles, and that areas such as Hunters Bar and Greystones don't exist (they would all simply be 'swallowed up' by Ecclesall if it spanned the area that these people believe it to). That is their choice, and they have a right to their deluded conclusions, however stupid they are.

PS. Geoff has hidden all the other Ecclesall Road threads, so apologies to him for this thread, but despite them being hidden some users still persist on making 'wise' cracks on totally unrelated threads. Therefore, this thread is necessary to attempt to put the issue to rest.

This topic quickly shifted towards the whereabouts of Ecclesall. For the next 3 months(!) this debate has raged on across the forum. To prevent death by boredom for the majority of forum users, I have now consolidated all the threads about Ecclesall in to this topic. I apologise if the topic doesn't flow or make sense, but that is purely down to users creating many new topics about same subject. All further references to the whereabouts of Ecclesall will be put in to this topic. You might want to also read this (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3316).

Hopefully we can move on and discuss more interesting topics soon?

I think t020 capped the debate with that excellent piece of factual presentation.

no more from me on the subject (although it will forever be an irresistible taunt!):)

Please leave the poor lad alone.... this is a shocking wind up!:lol:

Ermmm look what I found when looking for restaurants on Ecclesall road:

Barbarella's

Italian

1 Ecclesall Road
Ecclesall
S11 8QA


0114 2754800
More Info...




Cafe Uno

Italian

631-633 Ecclesall Road
Ecclesall
S11 8PT


0114 2670565
More Info...



La Luna

Italian / Mediterranean

961 Ecclesall Road
Ecclesall
S11 8TN


0114 2676161
More Info...




And so on and so on......

Check out www.sheffieldrestaurant.co.uk

Originally posted by DaBouncer
M1 far enough away not to have to worry about the noise. Close enough to make full use.
And the old coal pits... hmmmm ... have you ever even been to Treeton? If so, please give me the location of ANY coal pit in treeton. Please i'm dying to know!

Ecclesall.... ahhh... students... all that noise, puke and litter! Spot on place to live for the money!:loopy:

Gimme Whirlow, Dore or Fulwood ALL nicer areas of Sheffield than Ecclesall!


You seem to be confusing Ecclesall ROAD with Ecclesall.... AGAIN. Ecclesall is NOT a student area, FFS. You know this really as you have connections in Whirlow and know that Ecclesall is half a mile down the road. Students (non-home students) don't live in £200k+ semis and £300k+ detatched houses with large gardens and garages. They live 2 - 3 miles down the road along, and off, Ecclesall Road. Get this through to your head, FFS.

I'm sorry if I offended you t020 but I happen to know 4 students that live IN Ecclesall, just past the VW Showroom at the beginning of Ecclesall Road SOUTH.

I know another that lives on Greystones Grange Road.... now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Greystones part of Ecclesall?
It was last I looked!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I'm sorry if I offended you t020 but I happen to know 4 students that live IN Ecclesall, just past the VW Showroom at the beginning of Ecclesall Road SOUTH.

I know another that lives on Greystones Grange Road.... now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Greystones part of Ecclesall?
It was last I looked!


If it is, then so is Whirlow and Bents Green. The student area is Ecclesall Road. Ecclesall is by no stretch of the imagination a student area. There may be odd students living nearby, but there will be near Dore and near Fulwood too. The last time I looked out my window, I saw trees, big houses, big gardens and grass verges, and there were no traces of vomit and no noise at all.

Obviously hit a raw nerve there t020 haven't I?
You can think what you like, but students in Ecclesall are there to stay. Landlords know they can make plenty of money cos thats the area they wanna live. It's only gonna get more students in an around Ecclesall.

And dont kid yourself that Ecclesall is even in the same league as Whirlow, Dore or Fulwood. It's not even the same sport let alone league t020.

The worst is yet to come. And let me just say, you can spout that Ecclesall is not a student area as much as you like, the FACT is that people think it is. So the area already has a name of being a student area.

Whether you like it or not!

People think that because they mix it up with the Ecclesall Rd student area. In terms of being in the same league, Ecclesalls house prices are as high and in some cases higher than comparable houses in Fulwood, Dore and in some cases Whirlow. The student area may be creeping nearer Ecclesall, but it is also creeping nearer Fulwood too. I know of no students who rent a house in Ecclesall (only home ones who live with parents, some only outside of term time, others full time).

Ok so the odd few houses outsell Dore houses. Whoopee.
The majority of Dore, Fulwood, Whirlow houses outsell Ecclesall.

When people think of Whirlow/Fulwood they dont think 'STUDENT' they think nice place to live. When people think Ecclesall they think 'STUDENT', still nice place but still 'STUDENT STUDENT'.

Face facts kid!

Only people who confuse Ecclesall ROAD with Ecclesall.

Either way the connection between both is there, and it aint goin away!

Who cares about a connection made by people who don't know the area well enough to distinguish? Not me. I care about where I live being nice, and it is. This confusion obviously has no effect on house prices either, so who cares?

You do is the obvious answer. I certainly dont because I dont live there.

And as you say the house prices are going up... now why would that be? Could it be because Wealthy landlords are buying places to rent to... wait who... students? No... who would say such a thing? Oh yeah.... t020.

Ecclesall..... StudentVille of Sheffield!:thumbsup:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
You do is the obvious answer. I certainly dont because I dont live there.

And as you say the house prices are going up... now why would that be? Could it be because Wealthy landlords are buying places to rent to... wait who... students? No... who would say such a thing? Oh yeah.... t020.

Ecclesall..... StudentVille of Sheffield!:thumbsup:


Landlords buy the terraced houses around Hunters Bar, Endcliffe Park and the bottom of Greystones. There is a difference between student zones and suburban family zones. No landlords buy £250k+ family houses to rent to students, they buy terraced houses further down the road.

Wow then the house some of my students friends live in past Bent Green (up Ecclesall Road South) must be living in a council house.

I'll ask em next time i see em. No wait.... that's right it is a private landlord... silly me! And silly you!

Wow.... past Bents Green on Eccy Rd South.... you must mean Whirlow.

Nope... definately mean Ecclesall! If I meant whirlow I would have said... past park head! However I didn't.

Trust me. Ecclesall. Students. It's all the same thing.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Nope... definately mean Ecclesall! If I meant whirlow I would have said... past park head! However I didn't.

Trust me. Ecclesall. Students. It's all the same thing.

Past Bents Green on Eccy Rd South is briefly Parkhead, and then Whirlow. It isn't Ecclesall. Also, why would students want to live there? Its not a student area, its a family suburb. There are no lively student pubs or any of the usual student amenities, and the city centre is a good 3 - 4 mile journey. Why would students want to rent a house in a suburb like that? And do you honestly think that this never happens in Fulwood or Dore? Where will students rent next... Hathersage?

Some quality thread hi-jacking going on here! lol :)

Very funny though,keep up the good work.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by t020
Past Bents Green on Eccy Rd South is briefly Parkhead, and then Whirlow. It isn't Ecclesall. Also, why would students want to live there? Its not a student area, its a family suburb. There are no lively student pubs or any of the usual student amenities, and the city centre is a good 3 - 4 mile journey. Why would students want to rent a house in a suburb like that? And do you honestly think that this never happens in Fulwood or Dore? Where will students rent next... Hathersage?
Apologies for my duff info. It's just up from Banner Cross, not Bents Green my mistake.

However still Ecclesall... student ville 2 of Sheffield!:thumbsup:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Apologies for my duff info. It's just up from Banner Cross, not Bents Green my mistake.

However still Ecclesall... student ville 2 of Sheffield!:thumbsup:

Whatever :rolleyes: :loopy:


t020 rises above it :nod:

Originally posted by t020
Whatever :rolleyes: :loopy:


t020 rises above it :nod:
So much so you felt compelled to add another post to the thread:D

Lol how ironic:thumbsup:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
So much so you felt compelled to add another post to the thread:D

Lol how ironic:thumbsup:

You just want the last word...

That's true... may I?:D

Originally posted by DaBouncer
That's true... may I?:D

Ok then....

Thank you:thumbsup:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Thank you:thumbsup:


No problem ;)

Thanks for a good ten minutes worth of entertainment guys! So... Could I just clarify that if I rented a property on Ecclesall road, I'd get to say I was from Ecclesall? :P


:D :thumbsup: Just kidding! Lets not even go there lol!

Sadly not, I've already been firmly informed that although my pub is on Ecclesall Road, I'm not in Ecclesall. This is true.

Originally posted by caprice
Thanks for a good ten minutes worth of entertainment guys! So... Could I just clarify that if I rented a property on Ecclesall road, I'd get to say I was from Ecclesall? :P


:D :thumbsup: Just kidding! Lets not even go there lol!

You can only say that if you work for an Estate Agent....

I suppose it all depends if you were refrring to the 'ward' of Ecclesall. The specific area of Ecclesall is just past Banner Cross on Ecclesall Road South. This as t020 pointed the beginning fringes of Ecclesall.

However Ecclesall ward DOES in fact cover Banner Cross and down Ecclesall Road (not south.... just plain old ROAD) to Hunters Bar. I will check to see how far since I have the government regulated map now (how sad am I.... even obtained that actual map).

Once I have fully established the facts I will post the map for you guys to see. So technically if you bought a home (or lived) around Banner Cross down to Hunters Bar you could say that you lived in Ecclesall as it IS part of that ward.

Ecclesall that 'smaller' area which the ward is named after starts just after the Psalter Lane Junction where Eccy Road becomes Eccy Rd South.

Either way it mkes no odds, students that live around banner cross say they live in Ecclesall anyway, people believe em and the place is tarred with the proverbial student brush. However allow me some time to have a look at this PDF file (map) and I'll post again.

Thread closed

Change the record (everyone involved) - surely there must be better things to do?!