Courtesy of Sheffield City Council:
http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/elections/election-10-june-2004/results

Follow the link, and select your area from the Results section. If your area isn't shown, then all the votes for your constituency haven't been counted.

Turnout was a little over 41.6%, up from under 30% last year.

Link does not work !!!

Who won Stannington ??

still only got the turnout figure up......this lot are slower than a wednesday centre-forward!

(oops, tell a fib, some have just come up now - not wherever you asked about tho!)

WAY-HEY - we (Democratic Socialist Alliance) beat the tories in Burngreave!

Sorry mate, works for me.

Stannington results not in yet

Try following this link instead

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/news/elections2004/index.shtml

and then select Sheffield council

It is VERY VERY slow, btw

Link works fine....but stannington isn't there yet. [1350]

and why have the Council put Arbourthorne at the botton of their alphabetical list??

Just heard that Greens have won Central :thumbsup:

Anyone got the results? The council seems to have done the usual trick of not foreseeing things and their web site seems to have crashed in flames with the demand - fancy that - people looking at the site today, I wonder what they want... :rolleyes:

doesn't explicitly say if a ward is a gain or no change or what, so hard to tell - and as the site is so slow, its a real pain to look through everyone. but in the wards i've looked at there's no changes - cenre aint up there yet

Originally posted by Mo
Just heard that Greens have won Central :thumbsup:

Maybe the forum vote was so out after all?

I took a look (before I got bored waiting for the pages to load!) at Broomhills results. They did really well there too.

Nomme

maybe it was:

"Labour has retained overall control of Sheffield City Council. Further news will follow."


according to the council page

I notice the Conservatives didn't get any seats, even in Ecclesall. Ho hum...

Upper Don is now in, my vote was wasted all 3 Liberal Democrats got in :(

Originally posted by Sidla
I notice the Conservatives didn't get any seats, even in Ecclesall. Ho hum...

Wrong 2 seats from Dore ward, not that I voted em mind

Lib Dem majority up here in Stannington.... Bloke called Arthur Dunworth got 2700 votes....

May I say that although I did not win I am quite happy to have polled 1,132 votes,which is far more than either tory or liberal.
This gived me a solid core vote to build on next time.

considering the 'record' of bnp councillors who do win, you're probably very grateful not to have done. i mean you might have to actually understand things like 'the budget' - something which proved a tad too difficult for your burnley councillors. only one of them turned up and they walked out cos it was too hard for them to understand! lol

I'm glad the Tories haven't got a look in yet!!... not so in the South unfortunatley

Labour 44
Lib Dems 37
Tories 2 (Both Dore)
Greens 1 (Central)

Me - 653 votes :wow: :banana: :headbang:

[i]
Me - 653 votes :wow: :banana: :headbang: [/B]

you stood for election!?

And the European Election results? When are they out?

The Greens only came 2nd in Central - Labour won it though. It's confusing that 3 people from 3 parties are now in charge of central - is that right?

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/elections/election-10-june-2004/results/central

all three winners in Richmond ward were labour
nice one gang!

Good news and bad news from Beauchief & Greenhill - good news all three seats in the ward were won by liberal democrats but bad news the BNP got 962 votes - I would have preferred to see em poll in single figures!

Originally posted by Geoff
The Greens only came 2nd in Central - Labour won it though. It's confusing that 3 people from 3 parties are now in charge of central - is that right?

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/elections/election-10-june-2004/results/central

That's Central the ward not Central the constituency. Each ward has 3 councillors, in central they happen to be from 3 different parties. Similarly in Walkley we have 2 LDs and 1 Labour.

Originally posted by MrHelicopter
And the European Election results? When are they out?

Not counted until Sunday after polls across Europe have closed.

Originally posted by max

Me - 653 votes :wow: :banana: :headbang:

The lowest of all 3 Labour candidates in Fulwood, and the second least in the ward of Fulwood overall.

No need to point it out to him. I am sure Max knows and anyone else who was interested could have looked for themselves.

Originally posted by t020
The lowest of all 3 Labour candidates in Fulwood, and the second least in the ward of Fulwood overall.
I think those remarks are uncalled for.

Originally posted by max
Labour 44
Lib Dems 37
Tories 2 (Both Dore)
Greens 1 (Central)

Me - 653 votes :wow: :banana: :headbang:

Good on you for standing - 653 votes more than the i can't be bothered because I'm soooooo cynical brigade.

Originally posted by Smiler
Good on you for standing - 653 votes more than the i can't be bothered because I'm soooooo cynical brigade.

Thanks for that. I still got more than the UKIP bloke.:D

Originally posted by Smiler
Good on you for standing - 653 votes more than the i can't be bothered because I'm soooooo cynical brigade.

How many votes did you get Smiler....or couldn't you be bothered to stand for election along with the rest of us cynics :D

frightening to think that in my boyhood neighbourhood of shiregreen the BNP although not elected came second...

Originally posted by spook
frightening to think that in my boyhood neighbourhood of shiregreen the BNP although not elected came second...


What I find frightening is the apathy of the candidates.

We didn't have a BNP candidate in the Stannington ward, yet the only party who bothered to put any kind of 'manifedto material' through our letter box were the BNP.

Nor could any of the ten canditaes be bothered to call and persuade us that our votes mattered one tiny little damn. In spite of the fact that one of the Lib Dems lives on the same road to us !

Originally posted by Greybeard
[QUOTE]Originally posted by spook
frightening to think that in my boyhood neighbourhood of shiregreen the BNP although not elected came second... [/QUOTE


What I find frightening is the apathy of the candidates.

We didn't have a BNP candidate in the Stannington ward, yet the only party who bothered to put any kind of 'manifedto material' through our letter box were the BNP.

Nor could any of the ten canditaes be bothered to call and persuade us that our votes mattered one tiny little damn. In spite of the fact that one of the Lib Dems lives on the same road to us !

Some politicians are so hypocritical in the way they attack voter apathy without looking at their own actions. Three years ago I didn’t receive a single leaflet from any party or candidate in the local elections. The first time I found out what parties were standing I my ward was when I saw the ballot paper (remember those!)

I suppose its not all the candidates fault; the Labour party in particular must have suffered a huge loss in activists thanks to Tony Blair ridding the world of all those weapons of mass destruction. But things do seem to be getting better, this was the first year I’ve received a letter from every party, but still no door-to-door canvassing. I really would like an opportunity to talk to people about their polices rather then relying upon adverts all the time.

I'm afraid you're right Disco, there are too few activists to get to every house.

However, I did knock on one door where the bloke said we only see you at elections time. When does he want to see me? I pointed out if there was anything he wanted to know then he could contact his councillor, the Labour party office, his MP, the council officers, etc.

If anybody wants to discuss policy there are many ways of doing this. Including contacting your local branch of whichever party you're interested in.

Originally posted by max
I'm afraid you're right Disco, there are too few activists to get to every house.

However, I did knock on one door where the bloke said we only see you at elections time. When does he want to see me?

Well round by us the Lib dems are in constant communication with newsletters and notices of local planning meetings etc.
No BNP (unsurprisingly - would be met with some antipathy I feel) leaflets or Tory leaflets, and like clockwork, one labour leaflet around election time. Not that I voted Lib Dem tho.

We got leafleted by the UKIP I think, and Labour... But overall Stannington is now in the hands of the Lib Dems, let us see what good they do or otherwise as the case may be....

Ultimately I want them to sort us out a better bus service than 2 unreliable buses that only run twice an hour.... In theory at least :loopy:

I sent an email to my local Labour MP asking that since sanctions had not stopped Iraq amassing weapons of mass destruction, capable of being used within 45 minutes, why was it still fair to punish Cuba with sanctions when prior to the war Tony Blair said sanctions against a country were useful only for harming innocent civilians, and could never stop dictators getting weapon of mass destruction.

I was most surprised therefore when the reply I was received was a page long update on the present situation in Iraq and how dedicated Britain was to securing democratic elections. The letter contained one sentence on the Cuba situation on a new page. It was as if there is some magic machine that just scans e mails to MP’s for the word “Iraq” and then generates an automatic response. I read in the paper that letter and emails to Labour MP’s had gone up so much due to the Iraq war and top up fees disasters that they had needed new staff to cope

Is this how they’ve done it? Just re adjusted those machines that send MI5 to your door if you text someone Clash lyrics? .

If the MP had bothered to read the email he would have seen his response to it was 95% irrelevant to the question I’d asked, and just a waste of paper.
Maybe I’ll have to wait for the general election and hope he comes out canvassing.

Greybeard don't worry you WILL have a BNP candidate at the next elections,I have just been to ponds forge for the euro elections and where we stood in the council elections we polled very well ,came second to labour in those wards.
We got over 800 votes in my area of southey.

Like a lot of people, I spent Sunday June 6 watching telly. I am not too proud to admit that from time to time, I shed a bit of a tear as I heard the tales from the landing beaches. Since that, I spent a bit of time with my Nans, and listened to their stories of the mid forties.

After hearing what happened, and seeing those proud men march again on the beaches that had taken friends from them, I am happy in my view that no-one should ever defile their memory by voting BNP.

Originally posted by Greybeard
How many votes did you get Smiler....or couldn't you be bothered to stand for election along with the rest of us cynics :D

Why would I stand when there were plenty of excellent Labour candidates to vote for? I voted and have often campaigned. So what was your contribution to the demcratic process?

Originally posted by Toby
Like a lot of people, I spent Sunday June 6 watching telly. I am not too proud to admit that from time to time, I shed a bit of a tear as I heard the tales from the landing beaches. Since that, I spent a bit of time with my Nans, and listened to their stories of the mid forties.

After hearing what happened, and seeing those proud men march again on the beaches that had taken friends from them, I am happy in my view that no-one should ever defile their memory by voting BNP.

Too right, Toby. Lots of brave men and women died protecting this country from Fascists. Lets not kick them in the teeth by voting for the BNP.

its a free country we can vote for whoever we want to:thumbsup:

Originally posted by panda79
its a free country we can vote for whoever we want to:thumbsup:


It is a free country. But we owe that to the millions of people across Europe who gave their lives fighting against the tyranny of fascism.

We must never forget the sacrifice they made for us, and we should certainly never abuse the freedoms they gave us by using them to support a neo nazi party like the BNP whose leader famously refers to the horrors of World War two as a “holo-hoax”

I for one went to bed happy last night (despite the football) safe in the knowledge I will not be represented by a Nazi in any way shape or form after these elections.

It's a free country and we have the right to denounce the facist nazi's that in suits are the BNP... just like we did in 1939. The only diffeence is the word 'British' in their name.

These people are the worst kind of liars, they are devisive, and they stand for all that is evil.

Remember in 1945 we put them all on trial and executed their like.

Right now in the Hague, Milosevic is on trail along with his associates in ethnic cleansing where hundreds of thousands died between 1987 & 2000. This was not a third world African nation - it was modern Europe!!!

Don't make the mistake of ignoring their invasion of minds again.

I take great encouragement from the fact that the BNP has not been mentioned once today in all the news items I have watched regarding the Euro elections.

It would not have been inconceivable to have a BNP candidate elected in every region something they predicted and while I am still sickened by the amount of people voting for a racist neo nazi party, at least the figure was so low across the country that not even their leader, standing in their strongest region managed to win a seat. Making the Euro elections a complete failure for the BNP.

Be interesting to know how an already cash strapped party is going to cope without any of the EU funding they were so desperate to get their grubby hands on.

The BNP really does look like it’s had it’s day, and despite all their plans for election success their website today contains a mere 23 words regarding yesterdays results.

Yet in a show of propaganda Goebbels himself would be proud of they use a separate article entitled the “Simplicity Paradigm” to claim that loosing elections is in fact a victory, as they never really wanted to win any way it was all just lies spread by the media and loosing is all just part of their scheme to spurn on their “revolutionary nationalist” plans for the future.

Originally posted by Smiler
Why would I stand when there were plenty of excellent Labour candidates to vote for? I voted and have often campaigned. So what was your contribution to the demcratic process?

Your original remark "Good on you for standing - 653 votes more than the i can't be bothered because I'm soooooo cynical brigade", implies that everyone who doesn't stand for election is a 'can't be bothered cynic'....perhaps you meant something else ?


I backed a winner, but it won't do me any good because Labour remain in overall control of the council.

But really it was just a tactital vote on my part, I haven't a clue what the Lib Dem canditate was promising to do to improve my lot, but there was a slim chance they might oust Labour, who for many years now have been taking money from me and just squandering a lot of it.

Originally posted by Greybeard
but there was a slim chance they might oust Labour, who for many years now have been taking money from me and just squandering a lot of it.

Which is precisely their purpose.

Originally posted by Greybeard
Your original remark "Good on you for standing - 653 votes more than the i can't be bothered because I'm soooooo cynical brigade", implies that everyone who doesn't stand for election is a 'can't be bothered cynic'....perhaps you meant something else ?


My remark was intended as a criticism of those who don't vote but simply snipe from the sidelines. I can see that it could have been read in the way that you have, however.

Originally posted by t020
Which is precisely their purpose.

I thought about taking the bait, i really did, but its late, the elections are over and Match of the Day is on...

Originally posted by Smiler
My remark was intended as a criticism of those who don't vote but simply snipe from the sidelines.


People who don't vote should be penalised. In my book the right to citizenship carries certain responsibilities one of which is participation in the democratic process.]

Originally posted by t020
Which is precisely their purpose.

In my experience all politicians believe they can make better use of my hard-earned cash than I can. None have been in any way convincing.

Originally posted by Greybeard
People who don't vote should be penalised. In my book the right to citizenship carries certain responsibilities one of which is participation in the democratic process.]

Indeed. But then again the type of people who don't bother voting are likely to be of low intellect and know absolutely nothing about politics. With turnout at around 40 - 50%, would we really want compulsory voting where the remaining 50 - 60% voted on the basis of their favourite colour or which party leader they find most attractive?! Let the idle waste their opportunity to vote and leave it to the people who care about our country more than who gets voted out next on Big Brother.

Originally posted by t020
Indeed. But then again the type of people who don't bother voting are likely to be of low intellect and know absolutely nothing about politics. With turnout at around 40 - 50%, would we really want compulsory voting where the remaining 50 - 60% voted on the basis of their favourite colour or which party leader they find most attractive?! Let the idle waste their opportunity to vote and leave it to the people who care about our country more than who gets voted out next on Big Brother.

...which neatly sums up the attitude of the Conservative Party to all those of whom they don't approve

Originally posted by t020
would we really want compulsory voting where the remaining 50 - 60% voted on the basis of their favourite colour or which party leader they find most attractive?!

People already do vote according to colour....red for Labour, blue for Tory, green for ....er Green. What colour are the Lib Dems ?

And it has nothing to do with intellect, - it's a matter of apathy and cynicism brought about by politicians repeatedly failing to keep the promises they made just to get elected.

The only real power the poor possess, since the Tories emasculated the unions, is the power of the ballot box. I wonder would how the Tory party would do under a compulsory voting regime.

AS for party leaders, of the three major parties two are Scots and the other a second generation immigrant from Romania. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry but I disagree. A lot of people I hear who say they don't know who to vote for so don't bother don't take the slightest bit of interest in politics. They don't even watch the news. How can such people form any decision about who to vote for? If they are so apathetic then the answer is simple - as electorates, they help choose who represents us so if they took an interest and figured out which politician/ party best represented their views they can do their part to changing what they are apathetic about. A lot of these people would also argue that one vote doesn't matter - of course it does if 60% of people are thinking the same way!! I accept a small percentage of non-voters will be making informed, political statements based on their views. I don't agree with it but accept that it happens. The rest however are simply too idle.

Originally posted by Greybeard

AS for party leaders, of the three major parties two are Scots and the other a second generation immigrant from Romania. :rolleyes:

Wow, bringing race into a thread about local elections. That really is contrived.:loopy:

Originally posted by t020
I'm sorry but I disagree. A lot of people I hear who say they don't know who to vote for so don't bother don't take the slightest bit of interest in politics. They don't even watch the news.


....and all Tory voters are land owning gentry born with a silver spoon in there mouth and vote only to keep down the working classes

man...talk about generalisations...except I think mine is probably closer to the truth

Originally posted by boyface
....and all Tory voters are land owning gentry born with a silver spoon in there mouth and vote only to keep down the working classes

man...talk about generalisations...except I think mine is probably closer to the truth

I must be the odd one out on that generalisation then :rolleyes:

well...I know its not true, thats my point

Originally posted by max
Wow, bringing race into a thread about local elections. That really is contrived.:loopy:

If I'd been thinking in racial (ethnic) terms, Blair and Kennedy would be Hibernian (Kennedy markedly so) as many Scots are in fact Irish by ancestry, - and Howard as Dacian or Romano-Dacian.

My point is that in general the English, in my opinion, resent being led by people they perceive as foreigners. We live with an undercurrent of tribalism that inevitably questions not whether any of these three are the best men for the job, - but are they one of us ?

But has it come to this ? That you can't mention a person's nationality (or national origins) without the risk of being accused of racism.

Greybeard, no-one has accused you of racism, I just cannot understand why you mention the nationality of British (not English) political leaders in a thread about local elections. Please explain.

Originally posted by Greybeard
My point is that in general the English, in my opinion, resent being led by people they perceive as foreigners

What about the Queen? Teutonic nouveau riche interloper made good!

Originally posted by max
Greybeard, no-one has accused you of racism, I just cannot understand why you mention the nationality of British (not English) political leaders in a thread about local elections. Please explain.

It was t020 who introduced the topic of party leaders into the discussion...

"would we really want compulsory voting where the remaining 50 - 60% voted on the basis of their favourite colour or which party leader they find most attractive?"

I believe (possibly mistakenly) that the attractiveness of party leaders is influenced by their perceived social background, including their nationality. Indeed certain sections of the Media, including the BBC, were at pains to highlight Michael Howard's origins at the time of his election to the Tory leadership, perhaps as an attempt to discredit him ?

There were also misgivings within the LibDem party about Kennedy's obvious Scottishness and the possible lack of appeal this might have for English and Welsh voters.

As for the topic of 'race' - you used the word not I, and you suggested that I had 'contrived' to introduce it. In fact my remark was just an aside in response to t020, as quoted above, and in the context of party leader 'appeal' has some relevancy.

Originally posted by t020
[B. The rest however are simply too idle. [/B]


As I've said before, much of the idleness rests with the candidates, especially in local elections. They don't seem bothered to get off their backsides and canvass the electorate.

In my ward there were three candidates from each of the major parties and none of them found their way to my front door....even to drop a leaflet through the letterbox. In the face of that kind of apathy it's no surprise that the voters lose interest. Too many politicians take the easy line of preaching to the converted...it might keep their egos in shape but it doesn't win them seats.

As for the reluctance of voters to move themselves, the postal ballot will hopefully change attitudes for the better. The recent ballot was marred by the witness statement which even the Electoral Reform Society describe as pointless and unverifiable, I'm sure many voters were put off by having to complete this.

One thing all parties could and should do is to give more publicity to their websites, urge people to visit and look into the depth of their policies, not just the superficial bits they use to try and grab the headlines.

Originally posted by boyface
....and all Tory voters are land owning gentry born with a silver spoon in there mouth and vote only to keep down the working classes

man...talk about generalisations...except I think mine is probably closer to the truth

It wasn't a generalisation. If you actually read my post you'd notice it was an *observation*. Please pay more attention in future.

I had 2 visiting candidates - a Tory and a Lib Dem. I also had leaflets from the Tories, Lib Dems, Greens and UKIP.

Originally posted by Greybeard
One thing all parties could and should do is to give more publicity to their websites, urge people to visit and look into the depth of their policies, not just the superficial bits they use to try and grab the headlines.

I agree. In addition, there should be public hustings held at the close of nominations, the day before polling and halfway in between. Attendance would not be compulsory for candidates, but those who did turn up would be at an advantage in the event of others declining the invitation.

I for one would like the opportunity to see,in the flesh, the people who want my vote. Hear them debate points from the crowd, watch their faces and look into their eyes.

The further we are from recognising and forming personal relationships with the people we elect to govern us, the less likely they are to know what we think, want, need.

The less they know about us, as individuals, the less able they are to represent our best interests, and the more time they have to spend on their own.

Considering the leaps in communications technology plummeting costs, there is no excuse for our candidates not to actively reach out to people and ask.

Instead of which they end up listening largely to the squeaky wheels of special interest and single issue politics.