What happened to the goverments campaign regarding car tax evaders.There are two cars on our street one ran out of tax april one has no disk showing at all a right old wreck both still being driven around. a neighbour reported the first one two weeks ago it still sits there untaxed and probably untested and uninsured.

Well if one of those new Police cars gets behind them they are buggered. They are equipped with a camera that reads the cars registration plate and brings all the cars info up on a small screen inside the police vehicle.

this is true

i was driving my business registered car up to megahell along attercliffe road just before christmas - and from nowhere, a ARV was sat behind me for about 2 mins before deciding to blue light me on the rounadabout by TGI's. I pulled over and they had told me that the car was without VED (Vehicle Excise Duty) and that i shouldnt be driving it on the road. They made me feel like crap even though it was a taxed car, and i wasnt the official owner. It appears that you can pay for a tax disc with a bounced cheque, and it takes them months to figure out the error of your ways.

Sat in back of their car (as you do) - i noticed an array of gadgets that are designed to funk you over. There's no escaping the law. They WILL get you, not a case of if but when!!

Ring the Police. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Saxon
Ring the Police. Simple as that.

And be a snitch? :o

Originally posted by J-Blaze
And be a snitch? :o

Why should you pay, and them not?

Originally posted by J-Blaze
And be a snitch? :o
Yea, be a snitch!

I'd be a snitch. They deserve it. Why the hell should they get away with it?

Go on. You'll be doing us all a favour.

I reported what I thought was an abandoned car a few weeks ago. The Police were very keen on whether its tax disc was up to date. If there are two cars, there's more chance the Police will look into it, kill two birds with one stone so to speak.

The tax disc is one of the ways that they determine if it's abandoned.

In fact.... if it has an out of date tax disc, the council will take it away!

Originally posted by J-Blaze
And be a snitch? :o

I have never understood why people think its so bad to report someone for committing a crime. Is it a case of "honour among thieves" or something? Too many people seem to think that a "grass" or "snitch" is worse than a burglar or joyrider or rapist etc etc etc

Why not be a snitch? I pay my road fund licence so why shouldn't everyone else?

thing is, if it's untaxed, it's more than likely uninsured. If that car was involved in an accident with you, wouldn't you wish you HAD been a snitch?

Originally posted by kookie
thing is, if it's untaxed, it's more than likely uninsured.

not more than likely, most definitely. Insurance is invalid if your driving your car without tax.

yeah, sorry, I knew what I meant anyway.

If I snitched on you for speeding you wunt like it

you wunt see me mate, I'd be too fast and go past in a flash.

Kookie
Is it you that makes em flash on Derby Road then...lol. It's not snitching at all it's just common decency to report these mongrels who abuse the system.....on second thoughts don't report em, a gallon of 4* and a match do the trick just as well

no really, I consider myself to be a reasonable driver. I do speed, but only on motorways and stretches of empy road, but who doesn't.
I don't speed in towns, cities and built up areas.
I've never had a speeding ticket, although I got stopped once on the M180 and told not to do it again. It was about midnight, and I hadn't passed anyone so the police car must have sped to catch me.:wave:

where is Derby road?

In Chesterfield int it

There's one in Long Eaton

The A61 road out of Chesterfield going towards......wait for it ..........yes your right DERBY...lol. your story of the M180 remindes me of a friend of mine who got stopped for speeding and the bobby who stopped him asked "wheres the fire driver" and he replied with "**** me officer are you looking for one as well"...when the bobby stopped laughing he sent him on his way. This was good coppering as he remember it long after the £30 for speeding would have been forgotten.

Where Long Eaton ? .....lol just joking

I lived there for about 12 years, we moved there from Sheffield. It used to be a really nice place.

The untaxed death trap cars around STANNINGTON are a menace. Its joyriding 13 yr old kids with baseball caps and tracksuits.

I had a clapped out 1983 reg Fiesta which was beyond repair after failing its final MOT test on 12 MAJOR points, and decided to advertise it for spares rather than have it taken direct to the scrapyard. There is market for old Fiesta parts and I thought someone would buy it and break it up.....I advertised in the admag for £10, describing it as unroadworthy and beyond repair, and had a call from someone who sounded older than he was when he arrived to collect it. He looked about 18/19 and gave me his address which I noted on the registration document part I had to send of. Then before I could say anything to stop him he casually gave me £10, snatched the keys, jumped in it, revved it like a boy racer and shot up the hill at 50 mph. He was oblivious to the fact it was MOT failure, had a leaking petrol tank (all as stated in my advert), bad brakes, tax run out, illegal tyres, faulty suspension, etc. He did not even take the buyers part of the registration document . I notified the Police as a matter of course that this guy was driving a death trap I sold only for spares. They "noted it" is all I got from them

2 days later I saw him racing it up and down long lane in stannington at an incredible speed for a car with no brakes!!!

6 days later the Police arrived at my door as the car had done THREE non-paying visits to petrol stations all o er SHeffield. They seemed to think it was still my car even after I had reported it. Apparently the name and address given was false and the house in question which was up the road was occupied by an old lady.

They came back 2 days later as the car had done TWO MORE RUNNERS from petrol stations in Hillsborough area. The police seemed uninterested in who had the car now as they obviously had no address to follow up, and insisted on seeing all my paperwork and documents for my other roadworthy and fully taxed/MOT'd car. Apparently I looked similar to one of the drivers captured on the CCTV at Hillsbourgh petrol station. They took some convincing as well......

The old Fiesta turned up on the A61 near barnsley a few weeks later and was siezed by the police...no idea what happened to the drivers.....probably out buying more deathtraps to joyride.

There are approx 1.75 million untaxed cars on Uk roads. This equates to £40 extra on everyones Car Insurance. **** em, dob them in.

Today i snitched on the untaxed car in question on the hotline number someone gave me apparantly i am the third person to report it so how come it is still stuck there untaxed.I will carry on reporting it untill something is done

Nice to know that there are a lot of sanctimonious do gooders on the Forum this afternoon. :mad:

Has it never occured to you that some people struggle to pay car tax - which has risen in price excessively over the past few years (IMO) - or may not agree with the tax?

There are better ways to raise this tax such as increasing the tax on fuel - this would mean that the amount people pay would be in relation to the amount they use the road and would encourage people to walk or use public transport.

Also, I don't believe that there is no escaping the law in this area, as suggested earlier. Think about it - 40M cars could apply for 60M tax discs per year. This means that DVLA have to process more than a million tax forms a week. I doubt they have the technology to do it.

Originally posted by Jim
Has it never occured to you that some people struggle to pay car tax - which has risen in price excessively over the past few years (IMO)

If they can't afford it they should NOT be driving.

Originally posted by Jim
Has it never occured to you that some people struggle to pay car tax - which has risen in price excessively over the past few years (IMO) - or may not agree with the tax?

Catch the bus or go to court. :loopy:

I don't agree with it, but I pay it like most other 'do-gooders'

Originally posted by Jim


Has it never occured to you that some people struggle to pay car tax - which has risen in price excessively over the past few years (IMO) - or may not agree with the tax?



Good thinking... I struggle to pay mine, but still manage to pay it!

I also struggle to pay for my food shopping and clothes etc so I suppose maybe I should take it without paying!

I don't know anyone who is happy to pay it and 50% of the people i know including me struggle to find it every 6 Months, but we do.

I an't got no beef with the fact that tax can be raised in other ways but the thread isn't about that. Its about Tax Evasion.

Originally posted by Patchy
Good thinking... I struggle to pay mine, but still manage to pay it!

I also struggle to pay for my food shopping and clothes etc so I suppose maybe I should take it without paying!

Well said Patchy.

:thumbsup:

Message to car owners who can't afford road tax, "DON'T RUN A BLOODY CAR!!!!" They're not compulsary you know.

Or......."GET A SMALLER ENGINED CAR (UNDER 1.4L) AND THE TAX COSTS ABOUT £2 A WEEK.........A PINT OF BEER (WHICH MOST OF THESE TAX DODGERS CAN AFFORD!!):mad:

Originally posted by Patchy
Good thinking... I struggle to pay mine, but still manage to pay it!

I also struggle to pay for my food shopping and clothes etc so I suppose maybe I should take it without paying!

I struggle with paying for other items as well, next time I will just help myself as Jim seems to think it is okay ;)

p.s Glad to hear your car is well again.

I don't think reporting someone who isn't causing you any problems to the Police will get you anywhere. Why take time out to give another person problems that her/she probably can do without at the time. If you do report someone then make sure you keep a 100% clean sheet because when the time comes round they are gonna do exactly the same to you when they can.

Fair comment J-Blaze.

So if anyone sees a chav making off with YOUR belongings you'd advise them not to intervene cos the chav isn't hurting THEM?

:loopy: :loopy:

I don't see how a car being parked on a road with no car tax is comparable to someone stealing something.

Originally posted by J-Blaze
I don't think reporting someone who isn't causing you any problems to the Police will get you anywhere. Why take time out to give another person problems that her/she probably can do without at the time. If you do report someone then make sure you keep a 100% clean sheet because when the time comes round they are gonna do exactly the same to you when they can.

Most of us are law abiding citizens, I would hope! I would have no problem reporting a car with an out of date or no tax disc. In the end it does everyone harm, as the advert says, if the owner can't be bothered to pay for a tax disc, can he/she be bother to pay for insurance/maintenance, etc?

Originally posted by KangaREW
Most of us are law abiding citizens, I would hope! I would have no problem reporting a car with an out of date or no tax disc. In the end it does everyone harm, as the advert says, if the owner can't be bothered to pay for a tax disc, can he/she be bother to pay for insurance/maintenance, etc?

Fair point, personally I wouldn't go out of my way to grief someone else I'd just wait for them to be caught by the pork.

Call the Police, get them doing something useful instead of them snoozing in the back of a van having an easy life with their speed cameras (Sorry, must be politically correct, 'Safety' camera).

If you can direct them to those who are the real cheats, then perhaps they'll have less time to pick on law abiding motorists with their minor traffic infringements.

Originally posted by J-Blaze
I don't see how a car being parked on a road with no car tax is comparable to someone stealing something.

Because non-payment of road tax is theft!!

I would also report......

Benefit fraud
Vandalism
Littering
Child neglect/abuse
Shoplifting
Joyriding
Animal cruelty
Drug pushing


....to name but a few.


I would NOT report.........

A neighbour kicking the c**p out of someone caught breaking into his/her property.
A mugger drowning, (until he's gone under for the last time)



But then again, that's just my outlook on life.

Originally posted by markham
Because non-payment of road tax is theft!!

I'm sure it's classed as theft but your not physically stealing are you?

Driving a car untaxed is stealing the right to use the road. The same as entering a football ground without a ticket is stealing the right to use the seat.

I struggle with paying for other items as well, next time I will just help myself as Jim seems to think it is okay

Err....I wasn't condoning theft :loopy:

Merely stating that people should act with a little empathy for common citizens. Personally I find it offensive when people write Today i snitched or #### 'em .

It would appear it is acceptable to report car tax evasion but not speeding which has a greater risk to personal safety.

Originally posted by J-Blaze
And be a snitch? :o

Course be a snitch..this isn't Boyz n the Hood where you might get gunned down..just ring them up and grass the cheating dodgers

Originally posted by Jim
It would appear it is acceptable to report car tax evasion but not speeding which has a greater risk to personal safety.

I'm all for reporting car tax evasion AND reporting speeding!

If you have car tax and insurance and some muppet in a car with no Tax or insurance crashes into you, are you still going to adopt the ' he was a bit skint and could not affort it so it does not matter' approach when you loose your no claims bonus or even your car if you only had 3rd party insurance??? also if the car is not taxed there is a fair chance it's not registered to the driver and possibly not safe to be on the road. Spose its OK though if they were a bit low on cash that month, shame they just killed 3 people and drive off because they had no brakes...

no Tax or insurance :loopy: :loopy:

I was talking about tax disks...not insurance. Driving without insurance is not acceptable but I don't accept the arguement that because someone doesn't have a tax disk they don't have car insurance. I have seen no evidence of this.

Personally, I think that is a bit of governement propaganda aimed at encouraging people to report cars without tax disks because they are not capable of developing a system that can ensure payment is collected.

Patchy I'm all for reporting car tax evasion AND reporting speeding! your consistency is admirable.

ermm. You cannot tax your car without insurance, and if you drive your car illegally (ie without tax) your insurance is not valid.

You have to have both, or neither counts.

I'm not sure that it is true that no tax dis means your insurance is invalid. I'd be interested to see evidence - then I may eat some humble pie :thumbsup:

If that was the case, the advert would state that insurance is invalid without a disk rather than suggesting that people without tax disks are likely not to insure their car.

I am not saying that all people without Tax have no insurance but I think that the majority of people who go to the effort and expense of insuring a car will also tax it. It's an automated system now which will fine you if you don't have any tax, Hey I got fined for not having tax a few years ago on the second day of the new month. You still get some leway with the new system but if you leave it for weeks or months then you will get fined.. I am not saying I agree with it the system but thats the way it is. I think it is intended to catch the people who never get any tax not the ones who are a couple of days late. The people who have no intention of ever getting tax I would think are more likely to be the same people who don't have insurance either.

Originally posted by Jim
I'm not sure that it is true that no tax dis means your insurance is invalid. I'd be interested to see evidence - then I may eat some humble pie :thumbsup:

If that was the case, the advert would state that insurance is invalid without a disk rather than suggesting that people without tax disks are likely not to insure their car.

My insurance policy takes great pains to remind me that...."this insurance cover will become invalid if the motor vehicle to which it applies is deemed to be on the road illegally*, or in an unfit mechanical** condition. It is the policyholder's responsibility etc etc......................"

Originally posted by Jim
I'm not sure that it is true that no tax dis means your insurance is invalid. I'd be interested to see evidence - then I may eat some humble pie :thumbsup:

If that was the case, the advert would state that insurance is invalid without a disk rather than suggesting that people without tax disks are likely not to insure their car.

read your insurance documents, it states it quite clearly. Insurance is not valid if you are in any way driving illegally. This includes committing an offence (ie speeding), no tax, no MOT, no license, etc...

Originally posted by Tony
The tax disc is one of the ways that they determine if it's abandoned.

In fact.... if it has an out of date tax disc, the council will take it away!

We had one like that - by the time it was carted away (three months!) the back window had fallen out and two stray cats had made a home in it!

I'm sure most people break some law everyday...just stand on the side of Penistone Rd and clock how many are speeding,using mobiles,not wearing seatbelts etc,etc.....then go into Hillsbourgh and spot illegal parkin,cars goin through the tram gate the list goes on and on...

ANd yet ANOTHER dumped car on my road.....thats 2 in one week now...a red Fiesta has been driven straight into a thick hedge and abandoned......so far rammed into the hedge could not even see the windscreen let alone a tax disc...