Does anyone else get the impression that this city is full of snobs? Even on here there are those who look down at people who live on council estates,and most of them seem to be that most snobbish of species the white middle class male.
The pontificate about how terrible people are for doing this and that yet they live in the more affluent areas far away from the inner cities and as far as im concerned they dont have a clue.
Some one once said its easy to be a liberal when you live in the country or the well to do suburbs and I think they are right.
Snobbs,I cant abide them.:mad:

Sheffield and SF suffer from inverse snobbery more than anything.

Oh, and it's spelt snob..

Potts

I think Sheffield has less snobbery than many places. I've always worked in very middle class environments, and in other places (dare I say 'down south') I've been on the receiving end of definite class prejudice as a result of my 'sink estate' background. But I've never really had this in Sheffield.

Interestingly, it tends to be chippy middle class people who act this way; I've also known quite a few land-owning aristocrat types, and for some reason they tend to be more accepting, in my experience.

Actualy i can see your point on this RoyJames, i do think that there can be an element of snobbery, but i think that is everywhere now and mainly caused by media/government who tell us all what makes a succesfull person and to look down on those who do not confirm (for whatever reason) to the ideal.
It's just a pity that people cannot see its a means to divide and conquer so far as i can see .... well in the case of the government anyway.

You seem to be equating living in a more affluent area, or being a liberal, with being a snob. What's your definition of 'snob' anyway? Someone who doesn't live on a council estate?

Being snobish is about attitude rather than financial, social or political disposition, and they exist in all walks of life, not just in the leafy suburbs.

Being snobish is about attitude rather than financial, social or political disposition, and they exist in all walks of life, not just in the leafy suburbs.

Very true.

Unfortunately for those who work hard, do well for themselves and have general respect for similar minded people are usually branded snobs which annoys me no end.

Very true.

Unfortunately for those who work hard, do well for themselves and have general respect for similar minded people are usually branded snobs which annoys me no end.
Well personaly i don't agree with that statement, i think it's great that people work hard and reap the benefits of it, i think a snob is a person who looks down on others for achieving less than them.

I wish that I had a fiver for everytime I have given my south Sheffield address to someone only to here them say 'oh the snob area.' Some folk like to imagine that everyone who lives in the south of the city is a fully paid up member of the Conservative Party and spend their time looking down on those who don't.

Perhaps the problem is not south Sheffield based but more north Sheffield imagination?

I think Sheffield has less snobbery than many places. I've always worked in very middle class environments, and in other places (dare I say 'down south') I've been on the receiving end of definite class prejudice as a result of my 'sink estate' background. But I've never really had this in Sheffield.

Interestingly, it tends to be chippy middle class people who act this way; I've also known quite a few land-owning aristocrat types, and for some reason they tend to be more accepting, in my experience.


I'd agree with this - I think people at either end of the scale are far more accepting with the aspirational middle class most aware of what they have already, want out of life and their place in society in relation to other backgrounds.

I live on a private estate in High Green and just because it isnt a council estate everyone says Im a snob.

This really annoys me because Im no where near been a snob
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Well personaly i don't agree with that statement, i think it's great that people work hard and reap the benefits of it, i think a snob is a person who looks down on others for achieving less than them.

My point is that people assume others are snobs when they are not being snobby. It is often the accusers with the inferiority complex, usually for no reason.

My point is that people assume others are snobs when they are not being snobby. It is often the accusers with the inferiority complex, usually for no reason.
Yes i do agree that can happen............... it works both ways really, it's such a shame that people measure the worth of another just by the measure of achievement/wealth.
Never mind i guess iam just some kind of old hippy :hihi:

I am no snob.
But I think our housekeeper, Butler, gardener and all the milking maids are.:hihi:

Yes i do agree that can happen............... it works both ways really, it's such a shame that people measure the worth of another just by the measure of achievement/wealth.
Never mind i guess iam just some kind of old hippy :hihi:

No, i agree.

Many of the less fortunate people i know have far better morals/principals than the more affluant ones.

Attitude is key.

Actualy i can see your point on this RoyJames, i do think that there can be an element of snobbery, but i think that is everywhere now and mainly caused by media/government who tell us all what makes a succesfull person and to look down on those who do not confirm (for whatever reason) to the ideal.

This is more than borne out by the recent survey showing that something like 2/3rds of the top media editors and reporters were public school educated and that the 'old boy' network is very much alive and kicking in the media jobs world. For a few years now I have felt that none of the newspapers have anythng relevant to say to me, now I know why.

I do have to agree that inverted snobbery is rife on here though, I think the way the OP came over IMO confirmed it too.

Very true.

Unfortunately for those who work hard, do well for themselves and have general respect for similar minded people are usually branded snobs which annoys me no end.

the lack of respect for anyone that isn't "similar minded" is the sign of a snob.

the lack of respect for anyone that isn't "similar minded" is the sign of a snob.


jeesus thats half the people posting on here at least.

jeesus thats half the people posting on here at least.

well, exactly.

well, exactly.#

in fact i'm wrong it's 90% of the people on here.
the other 10% have been banned or gone elsewhere.

Does anyone else get the impression that this city is full of snobs? Even on here there are those who look down at people who live on council estates,and most of them seem to be that most snobbish of species the white middle class male.
The pontificate about how terrible people are for doing this and that yet they live in the more affluent areas far away from the inner cities and as far as im concerned they dont have a clue.
Some one once said its easy to be a liberal when you live in the country or the well to do suburbs and I think they are right.
Snobbs,I cant abide them.:mad:

I do hear where Roy is coming from, however, I dont see how living in an affluent area can disqualify someone from commenting on certain subjects.

I suspect there will be those in the middle classes who started life in council estates, and their views could actually give a valuable insight.

Mind you Roy does have a valid point about those who have no experience of the inner cities and who probably are way off the mark with the causes and realities in our cities.

The media has a strong part in forming opinions in the suburbs.

Z

An aspect of petty snobbery which is irritating me at the moment is the disdain for England flags on cars. This is being singled out in parts of the liberal toff media (that inexhaustible fount of sneering hypocrisy and class prejudice) as yet another example of the vulgarity of white van man and of the lower orders, meaning the white working classes, in general.

An aspect of petty snobbery which is irritating me at the moment is the disdain for England flags on cars. This is being singled out in parts of the liberal toff media (that inexhaustible fount of sneering hypocrisy and class prejudice) as yet another example of the vulgarity of white van man and of the lower orders, meaning the white working classes, in general.
Too right. E.g. a couple of weeks ago the Independent printed a grotesque (and arguably racist) caricature of an England football fan/prole - immediately above an opinion piece by Robert Fisk complaining about alleged racism in the Canadian press!

I do hear where Roy is coming from, however, I dont see how living in an affluent area can disqualify someone from commenting on certain subjects.

I suspect there will be those in the middle classes who started life in council estates, and their views could actually give a valuable insight.

Mind you Roy does have a valid point about those who have no experience of the inner cities and who probably are way off the mark with the causes and realities in our cities.

The media has a strong part in forming opinions in the suburbs.

Z

Zafar I think that you meant to say 'those who live in middle class areas'. I don't like the class system but living in a certain area does not mean that you classify yourself any differently from your parents who may still live in the home that you were brought up in, be it in a working class area.

An aspect of petty snobbery which is irritating me at the moment is the disdain for England flags on cars. This is being singled out in parts of the liberal toff media (that inexhaustible fount of sneering hypocrisy and class prejudice) as yet another example of the vulgarity of white van man and of the lower orders, meaning the white working classes, in general.

Any sort of patriotic feeling on behalf of white people per se appears to be frowned upon as something deeply suspicious and potentially dangerous by the those of left/liberal consensus. Twenty years ago, I relished provoking such types by sporting a discreet lapel badge of the English flag on Saint George's Day and whenever English football and cricket sides were playing. At the time, it felt like a gentle, little middle class revolt. Certainly, 'flying the flag' was regarded by friends and colleagues as a mild eccentricity, and often they would tell me that I 'should be flying the Union Jack' if anything. How things have changed. Now, the whole land is awash with the red and white flag. The Guardian readers will have to lump it, to be brutally frank. Gradually, a firm sense of Englishness is emerging, and it is not entirely a product of national footballing pride. There is a sense in which English identity is 'under siege', from the international regime that is the EU, and from a torrent of unregulated mass immigration. In a sense, Chesterton's 'Secret People' who, 'never have spoken yet' are now making themselves heard, loudly and clearly.

Snobbs,I cant abide them.:mad:
There's only one 'b' in snob.

But that point aside ;) I more often find more inverted snobbery than old fashioned top down snobbery. What does seem apparent these days is that more working class people are finding things to be snobby about and this has given rise to many things like the real fragmentation of attitudes towards 'chavs' 'immigrants' 'asylum seekers' and any other section of society that people feel the need to look down upon, possibly for no other reason than to make them feel better about themselves and their own standing in society.

Everyone wants to be middle class these days :roll:

An aspect of petty snobbery which is irritating me at the moment is the disdain for England flags on cars. This is being singled out in parts of the liberal toff media (that inexhaustible fount of sneering hypocrisy and class prejudice) as yet another example of the vulgarity of white van man and of the lower orders, meaning the white working classes, in general.

Ah, the liberal bigot, my dear Lord C. Unfortunately, this green and pleasant land of ours is crawling with them. Personally, I would love to insert a large England flag into one of their many orrifices, or indeed, anything else requiring surgical removal, whilst running away shouting 'How's that for patriotism ?' .:)

Gradually, a firm sense of Englishness is emerging, and it is not entirely a product of national footballing pride. There is a sense in which English identity is 'under siege', from the international regime that is the EU, and from a torrent of unregulated mass immigration. In a sense, Chesterton's 'Secret People' who, 'never have spoken yet' are now making themselves heard, loudly and clearly.

...and there's nothing more English than class warfare, such as this pathetic attempt by the OP to stir up divisions based on post-code, accent or ability to spell.

Zafar I think that you meant to say 'those who live in middle class areas'. I don't like the class system but living in a certain area does not mean that you classify yourself any differently from your parents who may still live in the home that you were brought up in, be it in a working class area.

Thanks for the correction. :thumbsup:

There are those who like to deny the 'class' of their parents..

Z

Everyone wants to be middle class these days :roll:
Not everyone, I hate the class system all it does is under or over value people, when all we really are is just simply "people" all different all valuable.

I wish that I had a fiver for everytime I have given my south Sheffield address to someone only to here them say 'oh the snob area.' Some folk like to imagine that everyone who lives in the south of the city is a fully paid up member of the Conservative Party and spend their time looking down on those who don't.

Perhaps the problem is not south Sheffield based but more north Sheffield imagination?

I agree. I sometimes almost feel I have to apologise for living in S10 to some people. I also suffer from not having a Sheffield accent despite being born and bred here. Many people dont accept me because they think I am "not one of them" and I assume, feel that I look down on them. Its an insecurity thing on their part.

It's all about being yourself and treating others with courtesy and respect.

If you're well off or well educated don't try to hide the fact but don't look down on those less privileged than yourself. Some of the references to 'chavs' and their doings are, unfortunately, a coded form of snobbery.

Equally, the less well off should avoid having a chip on their shoulder and automatically assuming that better off people are 'snobs'.

i dont think i'm a snob, my wife is though.
however i do have a fairly liberal,see the good in everyone attitude but unfortunately i do disapprove of certain types of behaviour,sadly the most noticeable is that perpetrated by certain "types" of people not particularly classes of people.
does that make me a snob?
i dont approve of driving with no tax or insurance - these "types" are often linked to more serious offences such as drug crimes.Is that a class issue ?, i'm sure kate moss's ALLEGED supplier had his car taxed & insured.
i dont like gangs sat around drinking - either from a bottle or en masse outside the pubs the length of Handsworth.
so i'm not a snob i just have a certain level of personal morals and standards that loads of people don't agree with or conform too.

Equally, the less well off should avoid having a chip on their shoulder and automatically assuming that better off people are 'snobs'.


i was once on the commitee of a WMC which went bankrupt. the brewery sent in the regional reps in suits to talk about a brewery takeover.
the sentiments of the club members was "what makes them think they're better than us 'cos they've got suits on"

the suits were just a uniform similar to the orange overalls the guys wore down the pits,but the insisted that they were "looking down their noses at them".

pitiful really.

i dont like gangs sat around drinking - either from a bottle or en masse outside the pubs the length of Handsworth.


The people outside the pubs on Handsworth arn't "gangs" they are just the customers, stood outside, drinking with their mates. Do you see the people having a pint outside Bar Ha Ha as gangs ?

It's all about being yourself and treating others with courtesy and respect.

If you're well off or well educated don't try to hide the fact but don't look down on those less privileged than yourself. Some of the references to 'chavs' and their doings are, unfortunately, a coded form of snobbery.
Equally, the less well off should avoid having a chip on their shoulder and automatically assuming that better off people are 'snobs'.

Sorry but chavs are fair game whatever class you think you are. If I had found my son wearing a chav outfit I would have strapped him stark naked over a tree stump in Chavsworth and let the heard bull have its wicked way with him. ;)

If I had found my son wearing a chav outfit I would have strapped him stark naked over a tree stump in Chavsworth and let the heard bull have its wicked way with him. ;)
:o Oh dear ...oh my word :hihi:

...and there's nothing more English than class warfare, such as this pathetic attempt by the OP to stir up divisions based on post-code, accent or ability to spell.

Tricky,
Are you named after the 'musical entertainer' of that name, or are you named after the yapping, beribboned lapdog in 'All Creatures Great and Small'? If it is the latter, you should be properly addressed as Tricky-Woo. Well, Tricky-Woo, it might be an idea to check your facts before yapping- I am not the OP on this thread. Secondly, where have either or Roy James or I attempted to 'stir up divisions based on postcode, accent or ability to spell'? Get back in your dog basket, there's a good boy.

Tricky,
Are you named after the 'musical entertainer' of that name, or are you named after the yapping, beribboned lapdog in 'All Creatures Great and Small'? If it is the latter, you should be properly addressed as Tricky-Woo. Well, Tricky-Woo, it might be an idea to check your facts before yapping- I am not the OP on this thread. Secondly, where have either or Roy James or I attempted to 'stir up divisions based on postcode, accent or ability to spell'? Get back in your dog basket, there's a good boy.

Timothy,

You are clearly not remotely as clever as you think you are. If I meant to refer to you, I would have used the word 'you'. I meant to refer to the original poster, hence the term OP. How is it that you can't grasp this?

Maybe you should spend the afternoon going through your video collection of classic Sunday evening tv instead of being ignorant and boorish on here.

The people outside the pubs on Handsworth arn't "gangs" they are just the customers, stood outside, drinking with their mates. Do you see the people having a pint outside Bar Ha Ha as gangs ?


a gang is a social gathering of friends or associates, so the terminology is correct.
so if i see a group of 6 or 8 blokes with bottles of bud outside the cross keys, i think well dont they look like a gang.
i wouldnt even know where bar ha ha is,so i cant comment.

a gang is a social gathering of friends or associates, so the terminology is correct.
so if i see a group of 6 or 8 blokes with bottles of bud outside the cross keys, i think well dont they look like a gang.
i wouldnt even know where bar ha ha is,so i cant comment.

Bar Ha Ha is next to the peace gardens BTW, you often get "gangs" of office workers and shoppers drinking outside it. You'd be best to avoid it if you disslike groups of people drinking outside.

I think you think "well, they look like the kind of people to be up to no good" thats why you used the term "gang" instead of "crowd" or something similarly less scarey.

Bar Ha Ha is next to the peace gardens BTW, you often get "gangs" of office workers and shoppers drinking outside it. You'd be best to avoid it if you disslike groups of people drinking outside.

I think you think "well, they look like the kind of people to be up to no good" thats why you used the term "gang" instead of "crowd" or something similarly less scarey.

Its funny that Germany only has two gangs ('ausgang' and 'eingang') but they seem to be ubiquitous, as you can see their names everywhere you go. The Crips and the Bloods ain't got nothing on these two.

Bar Ha Ha is next to the peace gardens BTW, you often get "gangs" of office workers and shoppers drinking outside it. You'd be best to avoid it if you disslike groups of people drinking outside.

I think you think "well, they look like the kind of people to be up to no good" thats why you used the term "gang" instead of "crowd" or something similarly less scarey.


no i used the term gang as was correct, thus covering the chav gang that everyone apparently despises,the hoodie gang which everyone is scared of , and the stood outside a pub gang - that should be setting an example to the youngsters of today.
now if you're one of the minority who associate with such gangs and don't drink to destruction,or who can make it across the road to the chippie in one complete movement, then i'm obviously not referring to you.
but if last saturday was anything to go on,i was more concerned stood waiting for a kebab whilst they stumbled in than i had been earlier that night in burngreave.

...and there's nothing more English than class warfare, such as this pathetic attempt by the OP to stir up divisions based on post-code, accent or ability to spell.


Theres always one isnt there.:huh:

If I had found my son wearing a chav outfit I would have strapped him stark naked over a tree stump in Chavsworth and let the heard bull have its wicked way with him. ;)
I think he should make a mental note not to invite you to his stag night. :)

Timothy,

You are clearly not remotely as clever as you think you are. If I meant to refer to you, I would have used the word 'you'. I meant to refer to the original poster, hence the term OP. How is it that you can't grasp this?

Maybe you should spend the afternoon going through your video collection of classic Sunday evening tv instead of being ignorant and boorish on here.

Down, boy!

no i used the term gang as was correct, thus covering the chav gang that everyone apparently despises,the hoodie gang which everyone is scared of , and the stood outside a pub gang - that should be setting an example to the youngsters of today.


So do you assume that any group of people stood outside a pub drinking are bound to cause trouble, or do you just have something against the people of Handsworth ? Would a pub "gang" ouside the Cross Sythes in Totley scare you or perhaps a "gang" of office workers outside All Bar One ?

I'll have you know that I've never had a fight outside All Bar One!

I am no snob.
But I think our housekeeper, Butler, gardener and all the milking maids are.:hihi:

hahaha nice one viking :thumbsup:

So do you assume that any group of people stood outside a pub drinking are bound to cause trouble, or do you just have something against the people of Handsworth ? Would a pub "gang" ouside the Cross Sythes in Totley scare you or perhaps a "gang" of office workers outside All Bar One ?


i didnt make any assumptions or assert that they were up to no good, i just expressed distaste at seeing large gangs congregated outside pubs.
blocking the pavement, walking in the road in front of cars,harrassing chip shop workers etc.
so if the other gangs behaved in the same way then i would disapprove of them as well.

I am no snob.
But I think our housekeeper, Butler, gardener and all the milking maids are.:hihi:

Do you still have milking maids? How old fashioned. :roll:

Peasant!

Well you can imagine my disgust when I finally managed to get satellite TV in my house here up in the pastoral idyll that is Lodge Moor, only to have to travel through Parson Cross one evening and find - eeek - every other blummin house up there had satellite TV too.

'Snobs, on 't cross?' I muttered under my breath. 'I can't be doing with that.'

So, on a cold Tuesday, it was straight down to the Sony shop for the biggest, most expensive, flashy HD ready TV (and shush, free DVD) to plonk on my walls at home.

There, that'll sort out the snobs from the tawdry immitators.

Right, I'm off for my G & T in the Bull. Oh, and the mobile's switched off, darlings.

just for the sake of argument here is a definition of a snob from thefreedictionary.com

snob pronunciation (snb)
n.
1. one who tends to patronize, rebuff, or ignore people regarded as social inferiors and imitate, admire, or seek association with people regarded as social superiors.
2. one who affects an offensive air of self-satisfied superiority in matters of taste or intellect.

personally i have been, on several occasions branded a snob incorrectly for the following erroneous reasons... postcode and the way in which one speaks both of these things being completely irrelevant. why people should be branded a snob because of where they happen to live and the fact that they don't have a colloquial accent god only knows.

why people should be branded a snob because of where they happen to live and the fact that they don't have a colloquial accent god only knows.

Actually :D (as you're resorting to the dictionary) I don't believe an accent can be descibed as 'colloquial', which is more usually applied to 'The broken syntax and casual enunciation of conversational English'.

I know quite a few well-educated, wealthy people who use perfectly good English but have never lost their local accent entirely. They're mostly professional people who are not ashamed of their origins.

I have to confess that I look down on most people, - living at 1100 feet above sea level I can't avoid it. :hihi:

snobs are everywhere

but be carefull that you dont mix up snobs with people who hate antisocial,crummy, crass, chav behaviour

I hate the above behaviour
if that makes me a snob so be it

Actually :D (as you're resorting to the dictionary) I don't believe an accent can be descibed as 'colloquial', which is more usually applied to 'The broken syntax and casual enunciation of conversational English'.


i stand corrected...

i stand corrected...

S'allright mate, you can sit down now, - I've taken my Ecclesall hat off ;)

The pontificate about how terrible people are for doing this and that yet they live in the more affluent areas far away from the inner cities and as far as im concerned they dont have a clue.

They DO have a clue, it's you that doesn't! They figured that if they worked hard, got a good education and then a good job, they can move out of the inner city and make life better for them and theirs.

Calling people snobs or "clueless" because they had the good sense to realise how the world really is makes you wonder who's the clueless one here!

Your post just sounds like sour grapes (IMV).

Do you still have milking maids? How old fashioned. :roll:

Peasant!

You missed the "L" out Toni.

Il'l sort it for you. pLeasant. See, have a bob on owd Vike. :thumbsup:

I find that up North it's not the Rich that are the snobs, it's the working class. anyhow don't knock the wealthy they pay plenty in taxes towards the NHS when most of them pay for private health care for themselves.

S'allright mate, you can sit down now, - I've taken my Ecclesall hat off ;)

i've obviously been away from millhouses for too long... damn these aussies!

They DO have a clue, it's you that doesn't! They figured that if they worked hard, got a good education and then a good job, they can move out of the inner city and make life better for them and theirs.
As someone who has (arguably) made that transition (give or take the 'good job' bit, though I'm working on it), I actually think that Roy has a point here. A lot of people, including lefty types, in leafy suburbs have forgotten, or have never known, what it's like to live in a less affluent neighbourhood.

Maybe some people's rightful pride in having extricated themselves from the estates sometimes spills over into an attitude of "If I can do it then you should have too". But not everybody has the strengths or opportunity to do so - strengths that are not necessarily required by people from a more comfortable background, and opportunities that the latter often take for granted to the extent of not knowing that they've had them.