I have just been informed from an unreliable source that the Pinegrove has closed down/gone bust. Can antone shed more light on this matter?

Why not just phone up and ask?

No, Pinegrove is not shut.

There would be a massive uproar from the students at Loxley College if it ever did, they spend half their lives in the bar there when not in lessons.

I personally used to prefer the Robin Hood pub, which was 700 yards up the road from the Pinegrove, sure it took longer to get there at dinner but the service was faster, and cheaper as well.

I think you'll find it has closed down. It's gone bankrupt, As i heard the owners have fled, the bailiffs went in on Tuesday and started removing everything including the tenants upstairs who didn't know a thing about it!!

It's now all boarded up and if rumours are to be believed then it's going to be knocked down to make way for new buildings.

it has gone bust!!! for sure!!

never went myself! so no skin off my nose!:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Lestat
I think you'll find it has closed down. It's gone bankrupt, As i heard the owners have fled, the bailiffs went in on Tuesday and started removing everything including the tenants upstairs who didn't know a thing about it!!

It's now all boarded up and if rumours are to be believed then it's going to be knocked down to make way for new buildings.

WTF?!

Can anyone update me as to whats happening with the Pinegrove at Stannington, its shut down apparently. Posted a request for info before but some twerp moved it to the "going out section".

I was asking for info on the situation with the club and not what it is like as a venue, ooooooooh you make me so mad.

Like i said in the other post which got moved: it has closed down. It's gone bankrupt, as i heard the owners have fled, the bailiffs went in on Tuesday and started removing everything including the tenants upstairs who didn't know a thing about it!!

It's now all boarded up and if rumours are to be believed then it's going to be knocked down to make way for new buildings.

Cheers Lestat

i appreciate your time and effort.

The Pinegrove IS OPEN!!!

I'm a member of the Gym!!

blue11265, all the above was in the other thread. Does that not answer your question or is there something specific that you want to know?

There now seems to be conflicting views about if it's closed. :roll:

As it's a 'going out' venue, I would have thought it was perfectly appropriate where it is. Expect this thread to be merged into the other one any time now.

when did you last visit ? i hope that you didn't leave anything of value in the lockers.

Any update... I assume that it's definately closed?

Originally posted by Tony
Any update... I assume that it's definately closed?

g'damn! I was finally getting round to joining the gynm..maybe.

I live very close and will pass it tomorrow if I make it out to the Robin Hood pub. I'll report in on the apparent status If I do.

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lucasdigital

Well my daughter was there on mon 24th as her school use the gym for PE lessons. Funnily enough, they aren't using it when they go back on monday!!!

Originally posted by Rich
No, Pinegrove is not shut.

There would be a massive uproar from the students at Loxley College if it ever did, they spend half their lives in the bar there when not in lessons.

I personally used to prefer the Robin Hood pub, which was 700 yards up the road from the Pinegrove, sure it took longer to get there at dinner but the service was faster, and cheaper as well.

lol very true

As far as I know the pinegrove is still open. A few of my mates use the gym and others play football there on saturdays.
Never been to the bar yet, but there's an idea as my last exam is on thursday afternoon :P

Gutted!

It's closed. Here's a digital photo of the letter on its door. (Snapped at 13:45 Sunday 6th June 2004)

http://www.lucas-digital.com/bloghouse/pinegrove_gone.gif


I was just about to join the Gym too!

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lucasdigital

That settles that then.

I only ever went a handful of times, mainly during the time I was doing a course at college, other than that I did attend a couple of events there.

I couldn't be arsed to go to the gym...

That is a shame. We ran the fencing finals there during The World Student Games in '91 and I met fencers from all over the world, including Bruce Dickinson. Ah memories, nurse where's my zimmer frame?

I'm sure someone else will take it on. It's always been a popular place so I can't see it not opening again.

It keeps coming on the market every 3/4 years. To be honest, the property is shagged and it really needs demolishing and rebuilding. The sports hall is slipping down the hillside!

The trouble is that it doesn't do enough business to justify it.

It's a money pit. No sensible person would take it on.

Agree totally. Will probably be demolished and houses built on the site.

The only small hitch with that is that it is in the Green Belt. :loopy:

Originally posted by Tony
The only small hitch with that is that it is in the Green Belt. :loopy:

Meh, I doubt that'll make much difference.... They're knocking the Wood Lane site of Loxley College down to make way for housing next year, and moving all its courses to the new Hillsborough centre near Owlerton Dog track which opens next year.

They're getting rid of Chavsville (Parson Cross) College as well and moving their courses to Hillsborough next year.

Spot on Rich. Everyone seems to think that because land is in the green belt it can't be built on, if only that was the case!


So Tony before you start making such posts you may want to check your facts

Hmm, well I think that I am reasonably well qualified to comment on such things, as a few SF may confirm. (I hope ;))

I didn't say that it can't be built on, but in all honesty, I can't see it within the next 5 years at the least.

Just because it's closed, it doesn't make it developable land. The two things are totally seperate, and long may that situation continue.

The college isn't in the green belt. It has no bearing on the Pinegrove situation.

Tony

Wrong again, the college is in the green belt! So as a precedent it certainly does apply. I beleive that neither site are identfied on the UDP as areas for development therefore they will be a departure. However this does not stop them being developed, it would seem that any land that has previously been developed will probably have planning permission granted even if it is in the green belt. Remember that the definition of developed includes gardens, allotments etc. so before you start thowing messages about with :loopy: check your facts.

Mark

*Tony checks his copy of the UDP and kicks himself whilst feeling stupid*

Yep, sorry about that. Anyway, the Pinegrove is still not a cut and dried housing site. I don't believe that it would be an easy or quick task to do so.

There is a small matter of validation of any decision by the ODPM, and that's after the Lib Dems (who look as though they will be in control of Sheffield judging by todays ongoing election results) will approve it in the first place. Only 1 in 20 appeals succeed, and virtually never succeed in the Greebelt.

By all means keep an eye on it, but I wouldn't be buying it with the hope of getting housing anytime soon.

If the development of the Loxley College site is approved and lets be honest it will then I can't see the Pinegrove site being a problem as it is afforded a lot less protection. It may be that this site passes onto someone who wants to retain it as a leisure facility but I think its unlikely.

If anyone is concerned about the Loxley College site them please PM me and I can give you the details of the current position.

It is afforded just the same protection as it is today. The rules don't change because of something across the road.

Tony

You seem to have misunderstood me. The Loxley College site comes under PPG3 & PPG17, because it largely consists of playing fields Sport England will also be a statutory consultee. The Pinegrove site will come under PPG3. Therefore if planning permission is granted for the college site it is difficult to conceive a situation where it would not be granted for the Pingrove site.

You may know the PPG's but what you don't appreciate is the implementation of them.

PPG3 has no bearing on greenbelt development, just brownfield. The two are not easiy or conveniently interchangable.

The college site is a case in point that is driven largely by local political and financial considerations in that the planning authority is also the effective vendor of the site.

Anyway, I don't want to get into a planning argument, simply because this is what I have always done for a living - it's not a hobby, unlike SF.

To make a useful conclusion / summary...
Much as I wish it wasn't true, Local Authority disposals are prone to a different set of rules because for some reason they seem to think that they are more deserving of the money than other landowner.

I do appreciate your concerns about both sites.

Sorry Tony

Getting my PPGs mixed up, should have read PPG2 and PPG17. The local authority owns neither site so I don't see what your point is here.

Sanma, I give up. You've got it into your head that you won't discuss reasonably or listen, so I will shut up. :loopy:

Tony

Am I missing something here, in your last post you stated

"Local Authority disposals are prone to a different set of rules because for some reason they seem to think that they are more deserving of the money than other landowner."

Sheffield College own the Loxley College site, tertiary Colleges are no longer part of the local authority. The Pinegrove site is owned by a private company. So can you explain you statement please.

Beleive it or not I am willing to both listen and learn.

Cheers

Mark

The LEA is a local public authority, I didn't mean that it was part of the Council.

However, the Council and Government has a close financial interest in them. They have a different set of rules to (as you rightly say) private bodies such as the Pinegrove, and it would be niaive to suggest otherwise.

I know that you're not niaive, but you're obviously quite cynical after your battle on the College site - quite understandably, and I am sure that you will agree with the above.

I'm trying to say not to assume the worst with everything. The Pinegrove (the subject of this thread) would be an enormous and costly battle to change in the UDP.

Now for something that you won't like... personally the Loxley College site is as good a candidate as I know of in Sheffield for greenbelt release. It is in the right place, there is demand, there are redundant buildigs with large footprints that could be replicated, and there would be little impact on the quality greenbelt adjacent. A good planning case can be built for a change of designation.

Tony

To be honest I also beleive that planning permission will be granted for the college site and as you say it is a prime site for such development. AS a representative of an organisation that represents the local community, what we are saying is listen to the community as to where they feel it is acceptable to build on this site (in this case the existing footprints) and help us to try and secure public access and protection for the remaining open space.

I personally think these are justifiable and understandable requests.

I disagree with you on the Pinegrove issue, I can't see there being a big battle to change this into housing if that is whats proposed.

Cheers

Mark

Agreed about the College. The footprint and the intermediate car parks and playgrounds (the 'developed area' if you like) is quite well defined and I do think that will be a major consideration in granting any consent.

I would not think that the whole of the playing fields et al will be developed in the normal course of planning the site, and quite right too.

Maybe we should be buying the Pinegrove if you're right eh ;)

Could be a wise investment:thumbsup:

Just wondering if anybody has been to the auction today! It was in saturdays telegraph, saying that everything was to be sold off.

I know that there have bee threads about this before, but a friend has just told me that they have jobs going? Is it shut or not? thanks

Yes the Pine Grove is shut. They had an auction and sold most of the fittings and gym equpment so I guess there is no chance of it reopening