Current events, Blair's alleged cover up over WOMD and Britain going into Europe.

Army allegedy working with civilian group preparing in case Blair takes Britian into Europe.
Army swore allegence to the Queen adn to the Commonwealth NOT to Europe.

Blairs cock up. Cunning way to make him even more unpopular and thus keep us out of Europe whilst Labour sorts itself out???

Or diversion by spin doctors to focus on this rather than Blair sneeking us in Europe via the back door???

Moon Maiden

awwww isn't anyone playing???

Damn. Must keep winding them up at Fortean times

Moon Maiden

I didn't think news of the world was still circulating.

OK Moon Maiden, we've established that you don't smoke and that you're not fat. Next questions:

Are you on medication of any sort?
Do you have a panic room?

Are you on medication of any sort?
Do you have a panic room?

Fresh air and this is my panic room :D

Moon Maiden

the best conspiracy i know is that some people believe in god!!!....there's a thriving industry depending on it!....ah well...it takes all sorts

But why shouldn't people have 'something' to believe in.

I mean I may be a heathen but my family follow various Christian faiths and they have gotten them through dark days.

Why is it wrong?

Moon Maiden

If there IS no god, then surely it would be wrong...

that isn't the point though is it??? You do enjoy this don't ya Waxy

Moon

"Enjoy"?!

You obviously have some kind of faith, which I applaud you for. Mine has been tested and tried and eventually broken in two. My life has had so many trials and tribulations that I doubt the existence of a benevolent godhead. I'm more inclined to believe in the "fire and brimstone" god of the Old Testament.

I'm not saying that there is or isn't a god, but simply that if someone could disprove the existence of god (please, don't anyone doing a philosophy degree jump in here, I'm talking hypothetically) then all the time and effort and money and murder associated with organised religion would struggle to be justified.

i'm saying there definately 100% is no god.....if i could be bothered, i'd sue the bloody church for libel...bloody con artists.

Originally posted by waxy chuff
"Enjoy"?!

You obviously have some kind of faith, which I applaud you for. Mine has been tested and tried and eventually broken in two. My life has had so many trials and tribulations that I doubt the existence of a benevolent godhead. I'm more inclined to believe in the "fire and brimstone" god of the Old Testament.

I'm not saying that there is or isn't a god, but simply that if someone could disprove the existence of god (please, don't anyone doing a philosophy degree jump in here, I'm talking hypothetically) then all the time and effort and money and murder associated with organised religion would struggle to be justified.

I have a faith but it has no godhead or omnipotent being as it's head.

If someone could disprove the existence of the christian god then a large potion of the world would fall into complete disarray. Have you seen the effects of a priest or reverend who has a test of faith and questions his job??
I am sure with what you say above that you have faced such a test of faith yourself. Do you wish that the existence of this mythical being be disproved? and how would the fallout be coped with??

Moon Maiden

the worlds in disarray because of belief in this rubbish

If there is no God, where did the Universe come from? Ha Ha, you can't answer that one can you clever clogs?:D :D :D

It there is a god, where did he come from?

"The great goddess Ana is actually the universe and she gave birth to the earth through her cosmic womb."

Many different cultures and can explain the existence of things without the need for th Christian god. Does that make them all wrong Halevan??

Moon Maiden

None of us are going to know the truth about God, the universe etc until we die, when we may find out or we may just be dead.Although there are a lot of wars as a result of religion, there are also many, many good people who are perhaps better people for their beliefs.
Personally, I found the birth of my child had a profound effect on convincing me that their had to be a higher being/energy than us,but everyone has different experiences affecting their personal beliefs in different ways.
So long as you treat people well thats all that matters isn't it?

I beleive in God and that is not through blind belief or faith, it is through science, just one small example of this is the BIG BANG theory, now I happen to believe in the big bang theory. before the big bang there was nothing, no space, no time, no matter, no laws of physics, there was nothing, then from out of nothing formed a primeval atom my question is how can something come out of nothing?

It has been proved that something can go go into nothing blackholes for instance do that they suck things in and they become nothing, but something can never be formed out of nothing.

That primeval atom must have come from something.

Next is the fact that the big bang had to have the exact force, to little force and the universe would have imploded on itself and we would'nt be, a larger force and the universe would have expanded at such a rate that there would have been no matter. It just happened to be the right amount of force. Oh and just to finish things the way our planets are is very unusual most planetary systems that have been found have a sun and then one huge planet next to it ours is completeley different 4 small planets then 2 huge planets. For me there are to many coincidences for it to be a coincidence.

Who knows?

Originally posted by scaja
I beleive in God and that is not through blind belief or faith, it is through science, just one small example of this is the BIG BANG theory, now I happen to believe in the big bang theory. before the big bang there was nothing, no space, no time, no matter, no laws of physics, there was nothing, then from out of nothing formed a primeval atom my question is how can something come out of nothing?

It has been proved that something can go go into nothing blackholes for instance do that they suck things in and they become nothing, but something can never be formed out of nothing.

That primeval atom must have come from something.

Next is the fact that the big bang had to have the exact force, to little force and the universe would have imploded on itself and we would'nt be, a larger force and the universe would have expanded at such a rate that there would have been no matter. It just happened to be the right amount of force. Oh and just to finish things the way our planets are is very unusual most planetary systems that have been found have a sun and then one huge planet next to it ours is completeley different 4 small planets then 2 huge planets. For me there are to many coincidences for it to be a coincidence.

The chances of an inhabitable universe spontaneously occurring and being inhabited by entities that can sense it - 100%.

God is Santa Claus for grown ups. Fairytales pure and simple.

You don't need that nonsense to treat people properly and lead a decent life. In fact, I would suggest that you are more likely to do so without religion.

Look at the insane fundamentalism that is destabilising the world more than ever today. I am really disappointed that the human race hasn't grown out of religion by now - certainly in the so-called "developed" cultures of the west.

Originally posted by scaja
I beleive in God and that is not through blind belief or faith, it is through science, just one small example of this is the BIG BANG theory, now I happen to believe in the big bang theory. before the big bang there was nothing, no space, no time, no matter, no laws of physics, there was nothing, then from out of nothing formed a primeval atom my question is how can something come out of nothing?

It has been proved that something can go go into nothing blackholes for instance do that they suck things in and they become nothing, but something can never be formed out of nothing.

That primeval atom must have come from something.

Next is the fact that the big bang had to have the exact force, to little force and the universe would have imploded on itself and we would'nt be, a larger force and the universe would have expanded at such a rate that there would have been no matter. It just happened to be the right amount of force. Oh and just to finish things the way our planets are is very unusual most planetary systems that have been found have a sun and then one huge planet next to it ours is completeley different 4 small planets then 2 huge planets. For me there are to many coincidences for it to be a coincidence.

This hints at something I've often thought of myself.

That the 'other side' ... the 'equal and opposite reaction of' ... a BLACK_HOLE is a BIG_BANG.

That we're living in one instance of a pan-dimensional multi-universe where black holes give birth to big bangs.

who protects the protector?
hmm

Originally posted by mikosavi
who protects the protector?
hmm

The protector doens't need protecting ...

:p

A conspiracy theory I have is that many viruses are infact started by anti-virus software developers in order to sell more of their products and updates.

Originally posted by MichaelTravis
God is Santa Claus for grown ups. Fairytales pure and simple.

You don't need that nonsense to treat people properly and lead a decent life. In fact, I would suggest that you are more likely to do so without religion.

Look at the insane fundamentalism that is destabilising the world more than ever today. I am really disappointed that the human race hasn't grown out of religion by now - certainly in the so-called "developed" cultures of the west.

Woo and Yay! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Originally posted by t020
A conspiracy theory I have is that many viruses are infact started by anti-virus software developers in order to sell more of their products and updates.

Sure ... I've thought that myself ... and it would make good business sense for them to do so ... unethical though ... but then business often is !!

You do start some good topics girl, good on ya! keep it up, makes some of the little devils think!

Originally posted by scaja
I beleive in God and that is not through blind belief or faith, it is through science, just one small example of this is the BIG BANG theory, now I happen to believe in the big bang theory. before the big bang there was nothing, no space, no time, no matter, no laws of physics, there was nothing, then from out of nothing formed a primeval atom my question is how can something come out of nothing?

It has been proved that something can go go into nothing blackholes for instance do that they suck things in and they become nothing, but something can never be formed out of nothing.

That primeval atom must have come from something.

Next is the fact that the big bang had to have the exact force, to little force and the universe would have imploded on itself and we would'nt be, a larger force and the universe would have expanded at such a rate that there would have been no matter. It just happened to be the right amount of force. Oh and just to finish things the way our planets are is very unusual most planetary systems that have been found have a sun and then one huge planet next to it ours is completeley different 4 small planets then 2 huge planets. For me there are to many coincidences for it to be a coincidence.


But if it hadn't have been so, you wouldn't be here to think about it. How many billions of alternate universes died out in a picosecond?


Any statistically unlikely event will occur within the lifetime of our universe, yet alone the whole of "creation"

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