Whoo hoo Labour are at it again

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2958148.stm

well i hope no one is fat or smokes, as some MP on the radio this morning said, 'noone will be denied free health care, at this stage', dont you just like those last three words ?

the mind boggles.

Lets see, we will put up the price of ciggarettes then lower the nicotine content so the smokers have to spend more, then exclude them from medical treatment their ciggarette buying is paying for???

Moon Maiden

Originally posted by "Moon Maiden"

Lets see, we will put up the price of ciggarettes then lower the nicotine content so the smokers have to spend more, then exclude them from medical treatment their ciggarette buying is paying for???

Sounds good to me :lol: :wink:

It does doesn't it :shock:

Yet another beatiful example of how everyone can have human rights unless perhaps you happen to be:
fat, a smoker, lesbian, white, British, gay, pagan,

I am sure there are more :D

Moon Maiden

Well i dont see whats wrong with it. If youre a smoker and youre going to hospital again and again for treatment for a disease related to smoking - yet you wont quit, why the hell should you get it given free. As for obese people - same goes for them but worse cos they dont pay as much tax on cream buns unlike smokers cigarette tax, just VAT on the mountains of food they scoff without a care in the world. Some of these people need something like this to motivate them to stop these harmful habits.

So we let the government exclude these types of people from medical treatment yeah.

Who is next?? And what if you were a fat person battling with thyroid problems, or you were diabetic?? Or in many cases you were simply a woman who had children.

There we go, we will close all the maternity hospitals and steralise everyone so women won't get fat through having babies.

Also will they remove medical assistance from gardners who suffer from hayfever??? Or homosexual communties for their way of life and then stop all funding for aids research???

Moon maiden

No. I think youll find if it happened each case would be dealt with differently. Also, theyre not refusing treatment, theyre just planning on adding a charge for stuff such as seeing your GP. They wouldnt charge someone with thyroid probs as it isnt their fault theyre fat - but if youre simply too idle to put the effort in to stop eating - yet youre taking up valuable time and lengthening the waiting lists then you should give something back - like a fiver everytime you have to have your bedsores lanced (just an example). Same goes for drug users. Im about to embark on a career in the NHS and ill be very angry to see waiting lists for treatment lengthened by people whos illness has been caused through idleness and dirty habits - when there are genuinely ill people - who through no fault of their own are having to wait longer and have less time spend on them and a poorer quality of care.

I think you will find that most over weight cases are not just a case of not being bothered to do something about it but include phscological and economical problems too.

And simply cutting off access to help from the medical assistance will cause problems than it claims it will solve. Being that the dr's have difficulty (for whatever reasons) diagnosing most conditions, people could be cut off the assistance list because of it, putting yet more pressure on GP's to get it right first time.

So whilst you have a thing against fat people and also smokers (which is perhaps more understandable) it is still a huge disregard of the rights of a human being.

Moon Maiden

they will get medical treatment - theyll just have to pay a few quid to get it thats all.

I know this may be personal MoanMaiden, but are you a fat smoker by any chance?

:D :D

Originally posted by "maxt"

I know this may be personal MoanMaiden, but are you a fat smoker by any chance?

:D :D
Being overwieght, while it may have something to do with lack of exercise, it's not neccessarily the case!
Some people have glandular problems and have been proven medically to have genetic problems in weight gain. The same as someone who is too underweight, would you deny these people the same rights to health care.
Just because a smoker has brought disease to themselves, doesn't mean I would deny them healthcare. The dy we stop treating illegal immigrants to FREE healthcare then I'll say deny the smokers the same rights.

I don't think Moon Maiden was moaning, but merley pointing out how apalling it is of our Governement to even think about bringing in such measures. It's discrimination, plain and simple!

I know this may be personal MoanMaiden, but are you a fat smoker by any chance?

I wouldn't class myself as fat no, but I am bigger than the size 10 I used to be before having children. No I am not a smoker either.

I was getting a bit annoyed which is why I bogged off to bed.

I appreciate that some won't be bothered because it doesn't affect them or for that matter anyone they know. And whilst a 'few quid' may not be a lot to some it is a helluva a lot to others who are on state benefits and who rely on the help from the NHS sa being free.
Saying that with the current cock with WTC that number has increased.

Moon Maiden

I think this contract idea stinks, if it starts with smokers and unhealthy eaters where will it stop?
You could add to the list for example drinkers, drug users, sportspeople particularly those involved in contact sport or dangerous hobbies, motorcyclists and so on....... Our health service is paid for with our ever increasing taxes the biggest burden on the health service is the heavy administration it carries !
Smokers as usual are an easy target, but what I would like to know is what does the government do with all the tax revenue from tobacco sales ?
Is none of it put back into the health service, if not why not and where does it go ?
Another case of Rip Off Britain !

:banana: I fully agree with Kitty kat, that the people who delibratly abuse there body should pay extra in medical care and thats that.
Britain has been dubbed the obese capital of Europe and yes i know theres folk with medical problems which cause them to be fat, its not pointed toward them, its pointed towards couch potatoes constantly stuffing there face doing nothing in any form of exosise and smokers who know the consiquences of what it can do yet continue to abuse there bodies.
I am all for it. :wink:

:banana: I fully agree with Kitty kat, that the people who delibratly abuse there body should pay extra in medical care and thats that.
That's right Paul.
If they want to stuff their faces full of Yorkshire puddings, they should be made to pay. :thumbsup:

Let's say that someone has a disease which can be treated with an expensive drug which works 50% of the time. Let's then say that research shows that losing weight and stopping smoking will work 50% of the time. Why can't we say that they can have the expensive drug if they also stop taking the other dangerous drug (smoking) at the same time? Why can't they be asked to lose weight at the same time if this would then be meeting the doctors half way? Why should I be expected to let someone sit around on their fat backside eating cakes and smoking while taking a very expensive drugs when some self discipline would result in the same overall result.