anyone watchin this its about BBc and OCs... Its on Bravo+1 at 11pm..

why does anyone care about these fools?:rolleyes:

England are just about to take part in a major football tournament. In Germany. As are Holland, Poland, Italy and other nations with a football hooligan track record.

Probably not the most sensible time of year to put out a programme that glamourises (yet again) the sad lives of a minority of mindless *****.

The Brimson brothers have a lot to answer for by the way

It hardly glamourised them, just showed them to be the braindead morons they are.

just seen some of it and seen a dad have to pull his son away from the morons - that arsehole danny dyer - what a prat!

who does he think he is? saw him on the front of a gay magazine in smiths yesterday - likes his macho boys?

very sad the whole thing:|

Some of the guys on there were older than I am ! Why don't they grow up ?

I watched the program - out of morbid curiosity.

Whilst it glorified the 'good old day' of football hooliganism, where groups who wanted to fight each other got on with it, it did clearly say, backed up by the yobs, that you can't get away with it now. Hopefully this will act as a deterent to any kids thinking about following the OCS and BBC.

I do have a significant moan though:

Danny Dyer stated:

1. Leeds is the biggest City in Yorkshire.
2. He said something along the lines of "Sheffield has two major football clubs, which is suprising for a relatively small city". Small? Sheffield? I always thought we were the fourth biggest in the country?
3. He stated that Leeds and Hull had the biggest rivalry in Yorkshire. I'm sure Owls vs Blades is bigger, and even Leeds vs Bradford.
4. He kept calling the OCS the Owl Crime Squad, when it's Owls.
5. When they were featuring Leeds, they kept playing Arctic Monkeys (from Sheffield) songs. When featuring Sheffield, they started out playing Kaiser Chiefs (from Leeds) songs.

I'm not trying to glorify/justify anything about the program or the people it featured. But if you are going to do a documentary with any credibility, you need to research the major facts and get them right.

Any ideas if/when it's on again?

The programme Real Football Factory is repeated on Saturday night on Bravo about 10pm and Bravo + at 11pm

did any one see the news story about the hooly that got nicked at liverpool trying to catch a flight to amsterdam! i pity the fool!

if there is gonna be any violence in germany, it'll be the polish firm looking for a fight with us, the dutch and the germans... i reckon its gonna go off in no time...lets just hope the english stay away becuase;

1) even though we are well behaved now, fifa will readily exlcude us becuase of a darker past
2) the polish and german lads are tooled up to the max - knives, firecrackers etc...could turn very messy

did any one see the news story about the hooly that got nicked at liverpool trying to catch a flight to amsterdam!

There was one about a guy at Stanstead who was arrested and got a 3-year banning order for trying to fly to Franfurt. He had a football conviction, but not a banning order.

How can they give someone a banning order for trying to get on a plane?

Didnt see it but...... what is the problem with promoting and utilising the "talents" of these people.

All that is requried is a better structuring and marshalling akin to a boxing match where there is orderly violence imparted on an identified opponent within a restricted area. Half time entertainment. or -dont send on the band at wambley send on the gladiators from the opposing sides

So- off with the pre match warm up ra ra girls which are out of place at a footy match anyway and precede the match with an on pitch battle between the willing for the gratification of the spectators who are out of harms way.

Only those who wish to participate do so and perhaps a league of hard men or a dirty play league or free season ticket to the last man standing who will no doubt eventually secure lucrative sponsorship deals - who really cares as long as the unwilling are uninvolved. Absolve the clubs from the hiked up police budgets for the necessary street patrols and free up more police to harass motorists. Crowds swelled by solicitors on no win no fee personal injury claims if a stanley knife is used in an off side position - Sturctured hooliganism - u know it makes sense

The Wednesday Hoolie on that programme last night (the one with long hair) was on Jeremy Kyle a couple of days ago saying he was going to Germany for a fight.

I just think its sad each one of them saying we run this city etc yeah like anyones bothered they should all be sent to Iraq and see how macho they are then!

I watched the program - out of morbid curiosity.

Whilst it glorified the 'good old day' of football hooliganism, where groups who wanted to fight each other got on with it, it did clearly say, backed up by the yobs, that you can't get away with it now. Hopefully this will act as a deterent to any kids thinking about following the OCS and BBC.

I do have a significant moan though:

Danny Dyer stated:

1. Leeds is the biggest City in Yorkshire.
2. He said something along the lines of "Sheffield has two major football clubs, which is suprising for a relatively small city". Small? Sheffield? I always thought we were the fourth biggest in the country?
3. He stated that Leeds and Hull had the biggest rivalry in Yorkshire. I'm sure Owls vs Blades is bigger, and even Leeds vs Bradford.
4. He kept calling the OCS the Owl Crime Squad, when it's Owls.
5. When they were featuring Leeds, they kept playing Arctic Monkeys (from Sheffield) songs. When featuring Sheffield, they started out playing Kaiser Chiefs (from Leeds) songs.

I'm not trying to glorify/justify anything about the program or the people it featured. But if you are going to do a documentary with any credibility, you need to research the major facts and get them right.


To be fair, it was on Bravo, which means it was probably made on a budget of about 3 quid.

Banning Orders are basically evidence gathered on an individual and then put before a court by an authority (police) who then apply for the order. Similar to an ASBO.
Interesting to see who the top firm in Yorkshire was, as decided by the heroes on the show.

My comment on hooligans- sad, pathetic little men fighting to see who is even sadder until they come up against someone a bit rougher, a bit tougher and a bit bigger ie: Turkey fans.

Very very sad

My comment on hooligans- sad, pathetic little men fighting to see who is even sadder until they come up against someone a bit rougher, a bit tougher and a bit bigger ie: Turkey fans.

Very very sad

Have you ever been affected by football hooligans, ANGELUS? Caught up in anything?

My comment on hooligans- sad, pathetic little men fighting to see who is even sadder until they come up against someone a bit rougher, a bit tougher and a bit bigger ie: Turkey fans.

Very very sad

I don't know about rougher or tougher or bigger? but certainly more cowardly

Have you ever been affected by football hooligans, ANGELUS? Caught up in anything?

Nope thank god!
I just think they are children attempting to be men.

Nope thank god!
I just think they are children attempting to be men.

Do you go to football? Jus wondering exactly how much it actually affects you.

I don't know about rougher or tougher or bigger? but certainly more cowardly

As the leeds fans unfortunately found out (RIP), many countries around the world seem to take a dislike about our 'hooligan element' which think they are the best in the world.

I think the turkish fans, especially the galatassaray fans, opened their eyes to the fact that however hardcore our fans are here in the UK, the turkish fans are much more vicious than ours could ever be.

Do you go to football? Jus wondering exactly how much it actually affects you.

I dont go to football - and this is one of the reasons why I dont.

As the leeds fans unfortunately found out (RIP), many countries around the world seem to take a dislike about our 'hooligan element' which think they are the best in the world.

I think the turkish fans, especially the galatassaray fans, opened their eyes to the fact that however hardcore our fans are here in the UK, the turkish fans are much more vicious than ours could ever be.

You have to remember that Turkey is not as developed as England, im sure the people of instanbul see violence in a different way to us. They are decades behind us in terms of justice, rights and the same goes for the organisation of hooligans. English hooligans were stabbing each other to death years ago, thank god things have changed here, not so in Turkey. You can't compare us to them, and they should'nt even play in European competitions, there would never have been the leeds incident.

I dont go to football - and this is one of the reasons why I dont.

Seriously, you don't go to football because of the hooligans? How old are you? I'm only 23, so don't know how bad it was back in the 70s and 80s, but from my experience, there isn't a problem.

I've been to around 400 United matches and visited about 50 grounds up and down the country. Hardly seen any trouble. Worst I've ever seen it was last year at Grimsby v Scunthorpe.

Barely even smelt trouble at United.

If you're not looking for it, you won't find it.

You have to remember that Turkey is not as developed as England, im sure the people of instanbul see violence in a different way to us. They are decades behind us in terms of justice, rights and the same goes for the organisation of hooligans. English hooligans were stabbing each other to death years ago, thank god things have changed here, not so in Turkey. You can't compare us to them, and they should'nt even play in European competitions, there would never have been the leeds incident.

Dont you think that turkey fans are more extreme though than even the UK fans have ever been?

I mean, for a start, they welcome you to 'hell' at galatasarray- if thats not intimidating, I dont know what is.

Surely as well, the Leeds fans were not entirely blameless for what happened that night- I dont think all of the leeds fans were keeping to themselves do you? It is a tragic situation what happened on that night, but I really dont think that the turkish fans were all to blame.

Seriously, you don't go to football because of the hooligans? How old are you? I'm only 23, so don't know how bad it was back in the 70s and 80s, but from my experience, there isn't a problem.

I've been to around 400 United matches and visited about 50 grounds up and down the country. Hardly seen any trouble. Worst I've ever seen it was last year at Grimsby v Scunthorpe.

Barely even smelt trouble at United.

If you're not looking for it, you won't find it.

Its not just the hooligan element- its various things that stop me attending, however the violent side of football is something that just turns me off attending matches mainly.

I'm 27 - and I think that until football becomes more family friendly I wont be attending- and I dont think the whole hooligan issue will ever be totally resolved because you will always have the lunatic fringe wanting to create violence at football matches.

If you're not looking for it, you won't find it.
I agree with that- but on the flipside- there is no need for violence at football and until its fully sorted, I wont take my family to watch!

I'm 27 - and I think that until football becomes more family friendly I wont be attending

Family stands, mascots, kids' drinks and sweets, discount tickets...

How much more family-fiendly do you want!?!?!?

By the way who do you support? If it Wendy I'll stop trying to convince you go! :hihi:

Dont you think that turkey fans are more extreme though than even the UK fans have ever been?

I mean, for a start, they welcome you to 'hell' at galatasarray- if thats not intimidating, I dont know what is.

Surely as well, the Leeds fans were not entirely blameless for what happened that night- I dont think all of the leeds fans were keeping to themselves do you? It is a tragic situation what happened on that night, but I really dont think that the turkish fans were all to blame.

I agree Turkey fans are much more extreme than england, I don;t think that's up for debate. All I'm saying is theyre more extreme in everything. Prisons, oppression, human rights injustices...I think football is just another area of this

Family stands, mascots, kids' drinks and sweets, discount tickets...

How much more family-fiendly do you want!?!?!?

By the way who do you support? If it Wendy I'll stop trying to convince you go! :hihi:

Then get rid of the swearing, racism, yobs and drinking culture at the ground and I will be delighted to attend!

I support - drumroll - Man United, and before we all have a why not support a local team argument, I was born into being a red which has been passed down from generation to generation in my family.

Then get rid of the swearing, racism, yobs and drinking culture at the ground and I will be delighted to attend!

But, singing shouting drinking and swearing are a part of football!

Mind you, must be a lot more comfortable sitting in your living room watching Man U on the TV.

Then get rid of the swearing, racism, yobs and drinking culture at the ground and I will be delighted to attend!

I support - drumroll - Man United, and before we all have a why not support a local team argument, I was born into being a red which has been passed down from generation to generation in my family.

In most grounds nowadays you can pay a few pound more to sit on a family stand where there is little swearing, no yobs or racism and no pissheads. So you can't really complain that that's why you don't go. Football is becoming much more middle class to suit people like you angelus.

In most grounds nowadays you can pay a few pound more to sit on a family stand

It's normally cheaper!

It's normally cheaper!

Well, not at Hillsborough:)

Sorry you're right, I was thinkin of South stand which has the family enclosure in it. Even more reason why angelus should go!!

Sorry you're right, I was thinkin of South stand which has the family enclosure in it. Even more reason why angelus should go!!

Not to Hillsborough though! ;)

ANGELUS I really think you should think about what your saying before you post. How can you comment on the 'hooligan' element if you've never been involved or personally know anyone who has? Personally im glad you stay away from the games as it's the goodie gooies like you who try to make people sit down all game and screw you face up whenever someone shows an inch of passion!

Not to Hillsborough though! ;)

Yeh, we're alright fanswise thanks, maybe he should go to bramall lane to help you fill the place. only messin matey;)

Football hooliganism is very immature, but it's become completely marginalised now. Although there are still a small minority of grown men in their 30s or 40s with beer bellies and receding hairlines who act like silly kids each weekend by picking fights for 30-second cheap thrills, it doesn't affect everyone else.

I'm a Liverpool fan and in the 50 or so games I've been to at Anfield, I've never seen any trouble there. There are lots of women and kids who regularly go to football matches. My mum's been to Anfield with me four times now. She's in her 50s and she always loves going there.

The sad thing about hooligans is that while they claim to "fight for the club", in fact they don't represent anyone. The chairmen don't want them there, the managers don't want them there, the players don't want them there, and the vast majority of matchgoing fans think they're very immature. If they all left, no-one would miss them at all.

Football hooliganism is very immature, but it's become completely marginalised now. Although there are still a small minority of grown men in their 30s or 40s with beer bellies and receding hairlines who act like silly kids each weekend by picking fights for 30-second cheap thrills, it doesn't affect everyone else.

I'm a Liverpool fan and in the 50 or so games I've been to at Anfield, I've never seen any trouble there. There are lots of women and kids who regularly go to football matches. My mum's been to Anfield with me four times now. She's in her 50s and she always loves going there.

The sad thing about hooligans is that while they claim to "fight for the club", in fact they don't represent anyone. The chairmen don't want them there, the managers don't want them there, the players don't want them there, and the vast majority of matchgoing fans think they're very immature. If they all left, no-one would miss them at all.

Very true but everyone keeps going on about the 'hooligan element' and think that they are a group who are different from the 'normal' fans. The truth is there are plenty of people who are not part of a 'firm' but who like getting drunk and going down to matches on the train etc, who will also have a scrap if someone says anything about their city etc. Its not marginalised, especially if you sit on a stand where many hooligans congregate. Hooligans, other men, kids are all shouting, swearing , generally being aggresive...i just see as being part of football.
Maybe it is different for Liverpool because they are premiership and are very well policed?

It's about being a 'gentleman' too. I was a Manchester City hooligan from the Kippax Street 1969 - 1972. We never fought any other than the opposite hooligans. Knives were a **** game.Still are.

Being a lout seems to be the norm these days though.

OK, I might be a bit old fashioned but hey, I have no problems from 'the ladies', they love to be treated as Ladies and not some owld slags.

We never fought or swore near to women or children either, unlike today.

Also, and just a minor point............. why is it that Rugby League has up to 50 % of their crowds being women ? Football has virtually no women who attend matches regularly.

Yes, I have left football ,and love Rugby League.

It's about being a 'gentleman' too. I was a Manchester City hooligan from the Kippax Street 1969 - 1972. We never fought any other than the opposite hooligans. Knives were a **** game.Still are.

Being a lout seems to be the norm these days though.

OK, I might be a bit old fashioned but hey, I have no problems from 'the ladies', they love to be treated as Ladies and not some owld slags.

We never fought or swore near to women or children either, unlike today.

Also, and just a minor point............. why is it that Rugby League has up to 50 % of their crowds being women ? Football has virtually no women who attend matches regularly.

Yes, I have left football ,and love Rugby League.

"wog's game" .... casual racist seems to be the order of the day too. Weren't you all (whatever crew) the 'casuals', creating havoc wherever you went? On everyone else's Kop, terrace, stand or anywhere else you could cause offence? Not just meaning City, but all Neanderthals that thought wrecking anyone else's away/home match was ok?

You thought it was ok? You make me sick.

You have to remember that Turkey is not as developed as England, im sure the people of instanbul see violence in a different way to us. They are decades behind us in terms of justice, rights and the same goes for the organisation of hooligans. English hooligans were stabbing each other to death years ago, thank god things have changed here, not so in Turkey. You can't compare us to them, and they should'nt even play in European competitions, there would never have been the leeds incident.

I would dearly love to know from which peace loving planet this specimen landed.

"wog's game" .... casual racist seems to be the order of the day too. Weren't you all (whatever crew) the 'casuals', creating havoc wherever you went? On everyone else's Kop, terrace, stand or anywhere else you could cause offence? Not just meaning City, but all Neanderthals that thought wrecking anyone else's away/home match was ok?

You thought it was ok? You make me sick.


Happy hippy. Sorry to offend you but that is the way it was. Also, all this business today about the use of knives.

Who the hell are using knives ? It's them again. It is a foreign impetus. You can support them if you wish.

I love you to bits !

Seriously, you don't go to football because of the hooligans? How old are you? I'm only 23, so don't know how bad it was back in the 70s and 80s, but from my experience, there isn't a problem.

I've been to around 400 United matches and visited about 50 grounds up and down the country. Hardly seen any trouble. Worst I've ever seen it was last year at Grimsby v Scunthorpe.

Barely even smelt trouble at United.

If you're not looking for it, you won't find it.

Verily, verily and so spake the Blade verily. I'm nearly 32 and a vet of 27 campaigns agin the infidels who don't believe the Blade way; they should convert immediately , ....... but whilever I drink the home fans' (when I'm away) beer and they love me it's all peaceful ....

Only three places I ever had *real* hassle; 2 I don't need to mention, but one dodgy match at Bristol City was, erm interesting ......

If you don't want it, it won't happen; if you do you probably need an ASBO instead .....

Happy hippy. Sorry to offend you but that is way it was. Also, all this business today about the use of knives.

Who the hell are using knives ? It's them again. It is a foreign impetus. You can support them if you wish.

I love you to bits !

Not sure it was a 'foreign impetus' .... I believe people on these islands have been using them for ages .......

To be fair, things are a lot different from nearly 30 odd years ago when I first went to matches (actually that's Jan 2 78 my first match, I was 3. Eddy and Hammy scored in a 2-2 draw v Tottenham) .....

One thing though, most of the people wanting a fight are at least keeping it well away from the ground, meaning the rest of us can have a pint in peace ;)

"wog's game" .... casual racist seems to be the order of the day too. Weren't you all (whatever crew) the 'casuals', creating havoc wherever you went? On everyone else's Kop, terrace, stand or anywhere else you could cause offence? Not just meaning City, but all Neanderthals that thought wrecking anyone else's away/home match was ok?

You thought it was ok? You make me sick.

Also, no, I am deeply upset at my past. It might be a minor issue to you, but to me it is a very major problem. Yes, I was a major dick, berk and so on. To fight for an 11 man team, who came from heaven knows where.

'Footie' is a game played by poofters for poofters.

I am sure that the young lady who has been giving me some jip will hate me for using the above. I don't really care.

Also, your suggestion that we have been using knives for many years is totally false. Only foreigners use knives.Hence the trouble with Turkish fans. As you are a lady ,I am humoring you, as you obviously do not know about hooliganism.

But you are as many women in the UK are , 'being fashionable'. Following exactly what the TV tells you to do, because that is fashionable.

The TV/status quo, dictates exactly what you have said.

Have you ever had an original thought in your head, without cliches ?

Also, no, I am deeply upset at my past. It might be a minor issue to you, but to me it is a very major problem. Yes, I was a major dick, berk and so on. To fight for an 11 man team, who came from heaven knows where.

'Footie' is a game played by poofters for poofters.

I am sure that the young lady who has been giving me some jip will hate me for using the above. I don't really care.

Well actually I played the proper version of rugby for most of my existence on this planet ..........

I still love my team, Union, Blades or whatever. Some resorted to ruining it for loads of others. Personally, I'm glad to see the back of it in grounds, and so are my daughters.

Even though I was brought up with Union, that was one hell of a game with Hull KR and Warrington last weekend .... almost converted me ...... almost ;)

Well done lass !

Well done lass !

Bloke, to confirm, and I shall take it (ahem) with the humour I hope you sent it!

Not humour at all. I have daughters who are probably older than you.

Take care !

I am a RL rugby fan.

Not humour at all. I have daughters who are probably older than you.

Take care !

The way I feel most of the time I think I'm older than my grandparents..... and they're all dead .....

Still prefer Union, but that's what I played for the best part of 20 years .....

You take care lass, I played RL, they tried to make me play RU in the Army.

You will be OK !

God bless.

You take care lass, I played RL, they tried to make me play RU in the Army.

You will be OK !

God bless.

No worries lass, at least you'll know what a proper ruck is ....... one day you'll go back ;) , and that's only to RU obviously ;)

An RU ruck.............. do me a favour.

An RU ruck.............. do me a favour.

Of course, you boys have give the ball back after a bit ....

An RU ruck.............. do me a favour.

So nice to see the argument turn to something more friendly!

It hardly glamourised them, just showed them to be the braindead morons they are.

True, but those brain-dead morons won’t see it that way. They’ll think they’re being glamourised!

am i the only one who enjoyed watching the programme??

what i didnt get was why the hell was danny dyer walking down the manor estate???
none of the grounds are anywhere near the manor :loopy:

am i the only one who enjoyed watching the programme??

what i didnt get was why the hell was danny dyer walking down the manor estate???
none of the grounds are anywhere near the manor :loopy:

i also thought it was a good programme, it kept me entertained anyway?

probably went on the manor because they wanted to give that gritty/rough view of sheffield

i also thought it was a good programme, it kept me entertained anyway?

probably went on the manor because they wanted to give that gritty/rough view of sheffield



thats what i thought

didnt like the fact either that when they went in the travellers showing the ocs their was little kids in their

Also, your suggestion that we have been using knives for many years is totally false. Only foreigners use knives.Hence the trouble with Turkish fans.

I seem to remember (late 70-80s) football "supporters" using potatos with razor blades in them, darts, beer bottles etc. This was from the white supporters!

I am very disappointed with this thread.

I think Angelus is very Naive. Them Turkish were not bigger than the Leeds fans. They were not rougher. They were knife merchants. Plain and Simple.

They were not even football hooligans, they were 3rd world thugs running around with KNIVES looking to stab the first Englis hthey could find, because they are jelous that we live in a developed country, unlike their shíthole of a country. You very rarely hear of Turks stabbing EACH OTHER at matches now do you?

Besides, when they played the final against Arsenal, all the Turks got Leathered on the main square when they didnt have their bats and knives to call upon.

thats what i thought

didnt like the fact either that when they went in the travellers showing the ocs their was little kids in their

You'll be saying this to the blokes that were on the programme if you ever come across them i assume?

Yeh, we're alright fanswise thanks, maybe he should go to bramall lane to help you fill the place. only messin matey;)




Sorry to interupt but when was the last time hillsborough full?you might find that bramall lane is more full than hillsborough :hehe:

[QUOTE=Navigator]I am very disappointed with this thread.

I think Angelus is very Naive. Them Turkish were not bigger than the Leeds fans. They were not rougher. They were knife merchants. Plain and Simple.

They were not even football hooligans, they were 3rd world thugs running around with KNIVES looking to stab the first Englis hthey could find, because they are jelous that we live in a developed country, unlike their shíthole of a country.

Ever been to turkey?such a beautiful country (even though turkey is a poor country)if you treat people with respect then you will get respect back but then again in this day & age the word respect does'nt mean a thing anymore :o(

why does anyone care about these fools?:rolleyes:



as i am in the OCS i care


and dont give the usual we dont care about the football cos' we do i love WEDNESDAY and just cos i fight dosn't change that

as i am in the OCS i care


and dont give the usual we dont care about the football cos' we do i love WEDNESDAY and just cos i fight dosn't change that


yeah, sure you do :rolleyes:

Hope you get caught and banned for life! You are no fan you're just a thug! :loopy:

yeah, sure you do :rolleyes:

Hope you get caught and banned for life! You are no fan you're just a thug! :loopy:


ill have u know i have had a season ticket longer than your age and i was there when wednesday were nothing i have supportedwednesday all my life and people like u sayin were not true fans is ******


we are ask any hooligan they care

ill have u know i have had a season ticket longer than your age and i was there when wednesday were nothing i have supportedwednesday all my life and people like u sayin were not true fans is ******


we are ask any hooligan they care

I'm sure Sheffield Wednesday would be quite willing to do without your money if it meant you were no longer associated with the club. Idiots like you tarnish the good name of Sheffield Wednesday.

I think it is a bit silly how they fight about football but at least they show a bit off passion about something!

Its different nowadays!

I think it is a bit silly how they fight about football but at least they show a bit off passion about something!

Its different nowadays!

so you condone football hooliganism because "they are show a bit of passion "?

strange way of looking at it.

I think it is a bit silly how they fight about football but at least they show a bit off passion about something!

Its different nowadays!

No disrespect intended sunshine, but you know little about the corrolation between football and hooliganism but you have made the most intelligent post on this thread. It is pathetic and whilst there are people I know involved I have neither understood the concept of it. I love football because of the positive effects it has on society and this is a stain on it.

the wednesday lad that was on football factories was beaten to a pulp last saturday after the sheffield derby,someone told me he had actually died but ive seen nothing in the press.