I'm not sure how significant this is, but I wanted to tell everyone just in case.

At about 11pm this evening I was returning from the Odeon to my girlfriend's house just off London Road. Next to the boarded-up Tramway pub is a small turnoff road which isn't really used much. As I walked past there on that side of the road, I glanced about 6-8 asian youths about 20 feet back on the road.

One of them ran forward a few steps and appeared to hurl something. As this happened I didn't stop walking. About a second later there was a bang from the Barrel Inn pub on the other side of the road. They then all turned and ran off away from London Road. The guy had hurled some kind of missile at me!

The impression I got was that they were waiting for the next person to walk past that junction, then they'd throw something at them. As I hadn't stopped walking as I went past the junction, this was completely unprovoked. The object had been thrown at full force, and if it had hit me it could have knocked me out or even worse. It seemed a very harsh thing to do to a complete stranger, so be careful if you're around the London Road area tonight.

:(

You sure they weren't throwing things at the pub and you just happen to get in the way, not that that makes it alright or anything, it just seems a bit harsh, when you hadn't done anything to provoke it.

I think you should report it to the police as they could go and check up on the area and if anybody does get hurt, your information could help them.

Glad you are okay and didn't get hurt.

It's a mad world.

Daley, I hope you have done the right thing and reported this to the police.

Agreed. This is worrying , whether they were aiming at you or the pub. Could there be any remnants of the missile on the pavement/road that the police could identify? I live round the corner so this is quite relevant news to me. I will be going up that very side street late on monday night. Please keep us up to date so that I may not die. :help:

as a teacher I often find myself defending these youths. I agree that the behaviour is unacceptable, however bad behaviour occurs for a reason. If a kids misbehaves in my class, it is likely my lesson is crap and that they are getting bored. For these youths, there is absolutely nothing for them to do. They grow up in a world where pubs and clubs are opening for 18+ all the time, shops won't allow them in more than 2 at a time, and life is generally boring. With the decrease in free or affordable outdoor playing areas, such as basketball courts and football pitches, the only place they can meet up is often a 'field' or derelict building.

With the decrease in free or affordable outdoor playing areas, such as basketball courts and football pitches, the only place they can meet up is often a 'field' or derelict building.

:suspect:

I grew up in a village in the middle of norfolk. There were only about 5 people in my school year who lived in the village, and we were all friends and hung around. We had literally nothing to do. No football field, no basketball court, no shops, no cinema. We were also 4 miles from the nearest town, which meant we couldn't just wander into town.

In all my time there, being bored out of my skull, I never once felt the urge to a) throw missiles at anyone b) throw missiles at things from the other side of a road which people/cars/tractors are using.

Being bored isn't an excuse for mindless thuggery.

For these youths, there is absolutely nothing for them to do. They grow up in a world where pubs and clubs are opening for 18+ all the time, shops won't allow them in more than 2 at a time, and life is generally boring. With the decrease in free or affordable outdoor playing areas, such as basketball courts and football pitches, the only place they can meet up is often a 'field' or derelict building.

Boredom is no excuse for their behaviour. Besides, there are outdoor playing areas not far from there. They could presumably relieve their boredom by playing football on Abbeydale Grange playing fields or in Millhouses Park.

as a teacher I often find myself defending these youths. I agree that the behaviour is unacceptable, however bad behaviour occurs for a reason. If a kids misbehaves in my class, it is likely my lesson is crap and that they are getting bored. For these youths, there is absolutely nothing for them to do. They grow up in a world where pubs and clubs are opening for 18+ all the time, shops won't allow them in more than 2 at a time, and life is generally boring. With the decrease in free or affordable outdoor playing areas, such as basketball courts and football pitches, the only place they can meet up is often a 'field' or derelict building.

their behaviour is indefensible. No amount of excuses about them being bored justifies criminal behaviour.

Pubs were only open to 18+ when we were all teens as well. I never felt the urge to smash things up, assault people, vandalise anything or any other criminal behaviour. I probably had bad taste in music and a bolshy teenage attitude, but I think those are requirements to be a teen.

I was on a tram travelling from meadowhall recently having finished work, i was spat upon shouted and made uncomfortable by a group of asian lads with one lass.

They then proceeded to taunt me whilst i was sat next to this group not by my choice, they wanted to provoke me in to confrontation by saying why do you look so sad?, don't you get offended that we are laughing at you? your face says it all, they then provoked the ticket sales woman on the tram by saying they had already bought their tickets but lost them and said "you are picking on us because of our race."

I was generally polite and didn't react, on leaving the tram i got off and one asian lad said i hope i don't see you again.

Just what you need after a 10 hour shift,

Ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise

some kids have the ability to be bored and stay behaved. This is often a misconception of brainy good kids in school. A teacher may teach the most boring lesson on earth, yet the kids stay behaved, calm and do their work, lesson is seen as a success. The fact is that they have been bored senseless, but just get on with it without a whimper. Other kids do not have this ability, and will respond/retaliate immediately to boredom, anger etc. I agree there is no excuse for thuggery, but there is a reason behind it. Sitting back and muttering 'flipping yobs' isn't going to help. Plus a lot has changed since the 80s and 90s, communities are not the same as they use to be (blame whoever, I blame Supermarkets for destroying local shops) and this can cause the kids to feel alienated.

supermarkets existed in the 80's and 90's you know.
I can't any real difference in society between when I was a teen and now (it's only 9 years since I left teen hood).
Maybe there's a bit more choice on tv, and kids are more likely to have a games machine of some sort, but that's giving them more options, not less.

The root cause of bad behaviour is (IMO) bad parenting, nothing more and nothing less.

as a teacher I often find myself defending these youths. I agree that the behaviour is unacceptable, however bad behaviour occurs for a reason. If a kids misbehaves in my class, it is likely my lesson is crap and that they are getting bored. For these youths, there is absolutely nothing for them to do. They grow up in a world where pubs and clubs are opening for 18+ all the time, shops won't allow them in more than 2 at a time, and life is generally boring. With the decrease in free or affordable outdoor playing areas, such as basketball courts and football pitches, the only place they can meet up is often a 'field' or derelict building.

They were out at around 11pm up to no good!!! I really don't understand how anyone can try to defend this group of lads.

I often walk up and down London Road and recently I've stated to feel very unsafe in that area, even my boyfriend does as well.

Daley as others have said I do hope you reported this to the police. They really do need to be aware.

supermarkets existed in the 80's and 90's you know.
I can't any real difference in society between when I was a teen and now (it's only 9 years since I left teen hood).
Maybe there's a bit more choice on tv, and kids are more likely to have a games machine of some sort, but that's giving them more options, not less.

The root cause of bad behaviour is (IMO) bad parenting, nothing more and nothing less.

agreed, bad parenting is a factor. supermarkets weren't on the scale they are today back in the 80s and 90s. what I am trying to say is that people used to shop locally, there was a community feel and families would support one another. With the influx of bars and clubs etc, there seems to be a generation of parents who are living their life to the full but are forgetting about their kids. plus kids today watch friends etc and see coffee houses and lifestyles that they want, but it most places this is just not possible.

i,like others was going to post contact the police, then,thinking on it,could you i d them ? perhaps give a description ? no ? then this is yet another case that gets the police slated for not doing any thing, it would,if reported,have been logged, so it would be in the crime figures.

seems like the best option is a curfew, god, my freedom!!!!!!!!!! i hear them shout,but what is the best option? a man ,gainfully going about his buissiness,gets struck down by unknown assailants,possibly killed or at least injured,or thugs made to stay in at night,people respond by going out again, local shops and buissnesses pick up,more taxes paid,brings about better standard of living and less council tax etc etc etc

There is an answer - compulsory repatriation.

My friends got beaten up by a gang of kids on london road, totally unprovoked.

Boredom is not an excuse, there are no excuses for behaving like this, with the right parenting kids can happily entertain themselves with absolutely nothing - I can think of so many things we did when we were kids to pass the time of day most of which required no money..

The kids of sheffield are so lucky - there are parks, skateparks, free events and workshops, festivals, all sorts of stuff, especially in summer.. they just need to stop being spoilt angry little brats and use their heads for a change.

You would think that these kids would learn, the last thing London rd needs is more bad publicity!! (Takeaway incident) If not even a death will make these kids learn there is no hope for them what so ever.

I think it all comes down to the fact that some children today have a very low boredom threashold and when they get in to a gang they start showing off to their mates, that's cool isn't it well it seems it's good to be bad these days, i agree when i was in my youth we used to play games like spot,. take a tennis ball and throw it on a wall more than a bounce, lose a life,blockey 123 like tig,hide and seek and so on.

Parents want the kids these days like a hole in their head ,they can't cope with their ever demanding offspring wanting this and that and for one mum it because impossible not to give in eventually, she loses patience and tells them to clear off when they start to get in to trouble she blames society or schooling, then there is political correctness we can't even discipline children for being threatened with prison, too much freedom is a bad thing in my book.

My ex thought it was ok to leave her 14 year old son to look after the other 4 kids who were under 10 i didn't but that didn't stop her going out and leaving them when i was doing nights.

Too many violent movies and games consoles can influence kids to be more aggressive hence the recent rise in children killing children.

Society is in freefall and eventually it will be every man for himself, the morals have gone as have standards of decency and respect.

I think these things need to be brought in to the school curiculum as they won't find them at home.

There is an answer - compulsory repatriation.

Yeah, straight back to the UK for them, where they were no doubt born and probably where their parents were born as well. That'll definitely solve the problem.
We can repatriate you as well, and me too. You've got all the answers, why don't you start a political party?

some kids have the ability to be bored and stay behaved. This is often a misconception of brainy good kids in school. A teacher may teach the most boring lesson on earth, yet the kids stay behaved, calm and do their work, lesson is seen as a success. The fact is that they have been bored senseless, but just get on with it without a whimper. Other kids do not have this ability, and will respond/retaliate immediately to boredom, anger etc. I agree there is no excuse for thuggery, but there is a reason behind it. Sitting back and muttering 'flipping yobs' isn't going to help. Plus a lot has changed since the 80s and 90s, communities are not the same as they use to be (blame whoever, I blame Supermarkets for destroying local shops) and this can cause the kids to feel alienated.

Are you for real or are you just winding us up? I've never seen such a tirade of cr*p on the screen at once. Supermarkets to blame??? We had supermarkets in the 70's when I was growing up so they've been around a while. And what use are 'local shops' to them - they're not youth clubs? Or maybe you think they could amuse themselves by shoplifting? You're right about one thing, sitting back and muttering 'flipping yobs' isn't going to help. Punishing the little sods till it *really* hurts would do though..... but what are the chances of that?

Yeah, straight back to the UK for them, where they were no doubt born and probably where their parents were born as well. That'll definitely solve the problem.
We can repatriate you as well, and me too. You've got all the answers, why don't you start a political party?

Yes, but they're fast enough to show loyalty to a country they've never been to rather than the one they were born in and fast enough to catch a plane there when they've done something wrong. I don't care if they were born here, send them to wherever their family originated from. If they can't live by the rules of this country, they can try living by someone else's and with any luck they'll find those laws much strciter than ours.

Listeningear, I take it you are not asian? Did you report the tram incident to the police,asking them to log it as a racist incident?

as a teacher I often find myself defending these youths. I agree that the behaviour is unacceptable, however bad behaviour occurs for a reason. If a kids misbehaves in my class, it is likely my lesson is crap and that they are getting bored. For these youths, there is absolutely nothing for them to do. They grow up in a world where pubs and clubs are opening for 18+ all the time, shops won't allow them in more than 2 at a time, and life is generally boring. With the decrease in free or affordable outdoor playing areas, such as basketball courts and football pitches, the only place they can meet up is often a 'field' or derelict building.

Dont know how to do multiple quotes so bear with me.....

GO4IT - does this mean that you endorse underage drinking ?

I hope to hell that you are not a teacher at my kids school.



I was on a tram travelling from meadowhall recently having finished work, i was spat upon shouted and made uncomfortable by a group of asian lads with one lass.

They then proceeded to taunt me whilst i was sat next to this group not by my choice, they wanted to provoke me in to confrontation by saying why do you look so sad?, don't you get offended that we are laughing at you? your face says it all, they then provoked the ticket sales woman on the tram by saying they had already bought their tickets but lost them and said "you are picking on us because of our race."

I was generally polite and didn't react, on leaving the tram i got off and one asian lad said i hope i don't see you again.

Just what you need after a 10 hour shift,

Ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise


Most trams have CCTV all the way down them - should have slapped the little gits and then watch them try to pull out the "race" card

These kind of people just take the p**s knowing they can claim that the other person was being racist.

EDIT : what do you know, the multiple quotes worked.

There is an answer - compulsory repatriation.

Why are you still here? You've recently been banned for trolling just days after protesting vehemently that you weren't a troll. At my count that now makes it three bans for trolling. Don't you realise that you now have zero credibility on these boards? Apart from your political views you seem like an intelligent person, so I really shouldn't be having to explain this to you. :rolleyes:

Back to the subject in hand, I am going to the police about this tomorrow morning. I didn't get a good enough look at them to be able to ID them, but it might help to stop some poor guy/girl getting attacked in future.

Why are you still here? You've recently been banned for trolling just days after protesting vehemently that you weren't a troll. At my count that now makes it three bans for trolling. Don't you realise that you now have zero credibility on these boards? Apart from your political views you seem like an intelligent person, so I really shouldn't be having to explain this to you. :rolleyes:.
Why, and I really, really do want to know this, must you assume that I am trolling simply because my views differ from the liberal 'norm' that pervades the forum?

I've had two bans for alleged trolling, and several for 'offensive homophobia, racism etc' - all of which I would contest as having actually been mere statements of fact. Some people just can’t deal with the truth.

As for credibility, there's a regular bunch of 6 or 8 lefty do-gooders who love to throw insults at me (to fully demonstrate their tolerance (I exclude you because you do not stop to insults)), but I receive a significant amount of support through PM from people who agree with my views, but choose not to suffer the wrath of the 'liberals'.

I do not mind having no credibilty among people whose views are of no consequence.

Listeningear, I take it you are not asian? Did you report the tram incident to the police,asking them to log it as a racist incident?

I dont think on this instance that it is a racist attack. It's just a bunch of asian youths throwing something at the tram.

Even though i dont agree with Bartfarst on this occasion, he is entitled to his opinion and wasn't trolling.

Why, and I really, really do want to know this, must you assume that I am trolling simply because my views differ from the liberal 'norm' that pervades the forum?

I've had two bans for alleged trolling, and several for 'offensive homophobia, racism etc' - all of which I would contest as having actually been mere statements of fact. Some people just can’t deal with the truth.

As for credibility, there's a regular bunch of 6 or 8 lefty do-gooders who love to throw insults at me (to fully demonstrate their tolerance (I exclude you because you do not stop to insults)), but I receive a significant amount of support through PM from people who agree with my views, but choose not to suffer the wrath of the 'liberals'.

I do not mind having no credibilty among people whose views are of no consequence.

It isn't a question of having views that differ from the "liberal" norm. Roy James has pretty extreme right-wing views but he's not accused of being a troll. He comes on here to drum up support for the BNP; you come on here to provoke a reaction. Likewise there are right-wing posters such as Timo, Lord Chaverley, Doncastrian and Fareast. None of those are trolls either.

With you it's not even in question anymore. I genuinely am stunned that you're still here. After your THIRD ban for trolling by comparing homosexuals to paedophiles, I thought you'd realise that the game was now up. One of the key ingredients of a successful trolling is that there at least has to be some possibility that the poster may be genuine. You no longer have this. In this very thread you posted (in what is possibly your first post since returning from banned) about compulsory repatriation. Are you now trying to gain yourself a reputation as the uber-troll? Or are you trying to break your previous record for time between bans?

As for "alleged trolling" - average members of forums such as this are reasonably internet-savvy, but to be a mod you have to be very internet proficient. An important part of this is the ability to spot a troll. If the mods have banned you three times for trolling then there's no "alleged" about it - you are a troll.

(blame whoever, I blame Supermarkets for destroying local shops)

Just imagine....

"Youth" in court for manslaughter of passer by hit by brick thrown by said youth.

Judge: "How do you plead?"

Youth: "Innocent....my teacher said Tesco's dominance of the food and non-food sectors of the grocery industry made me do it"

go4it I don't really have word's to describe how I feel about people like you, if I were to try it would probably involve me saying something like "As bad as the scum they defend".

I can only hope you are an excellent spoof as the thought of you being a real person is almost too much for me to bear. So much naiviety and political correctness in one person!!! It would be funny if it were not so sad and dangerous.

GO4IT - does this mean that you endorse underage drinking ?

No! What I am saying is that all these kids see on TV is adverts for beer, they see new bars and clubs opening in town. But these are for 18+ only, there is nothing for them. These kids want to be part of a group, there is a natural human need to feel wanted and belong to a team.

I don't appreciate being called 'as bad as the scum they defend'. You all totally miss my point on supermarkets. My point is that many years ago there was more of a community feel, people shoppped locally, everyone knew everyone. now these days some parents know no one, and feel the need to go out and get drunk to go and make friends, leaving their kids to do what they want. Supermarkets are only one small factor. You all fail to see the bigger picture. You expect these kids to do bad. If you walked down the street and saw a kid with a hoody on, you'd probably put your head down and walk faster. That is part of the problem - I have high expectations of my kids, I expect them to do well and many do. Naturally there are a few that won't, but you have got to stop creating this society where every kid is a yob.

I don't appreciate being called 'as bad as the scum they defend'.

Don't defend scum then. :loopy:

Might seem a bit hard line but tough - I'm sick of the whole industry that's emerged around "understanding" criminal activity, specifically in the young.

There is an answer - compulsory repatriation.

Ah, so their colour influenced this incident?

If a kids misbehaves in my class, it is likely my lesson is crap and that they are getting bored.
Does this happen on a regular basis? If so, should we continue to pay your salary?

Actually I have quite a bit of sympathy for teachers in regard to the difficulties which are caused for them by the breakdown of discipline and respect in society. But teachers bring some problems on themselves if they adopt an indulgent child-centred view of things. Kids are there to learn -whether it's boring or not.

read this from the Tescopoly site, a site that tries to get people to lobby Government over Tesco's dominance.

In June 2005, NEF (the New Economics Foundation) in its Clone Town Britain report, revealed the impact that the dominance of big chain retail is having on our high streets. This dominance of chain retailers, like Tesco, has a serious impact on communities. Chain retailers deprive the local economy of money, destroy the social glue provided by real local shops that holds communities together, and they steal the identity of our towns and cities. The argument that big retail is good because it provides consumers with choice is ironic, because in the end it leaves us with no choice at all.

Ironically I used to work for Tesco.

The point is that this social glue holds communities together, provides support, ensures a good upbringing for kids. I am not saying that supermarkets are the reason there are youths hanging round on London road, I am raising it as a possible factor.

No! What I am saying is that all these kids see on TV is adverts for beer, they see new bars and clubs opening in town. But these are for 18+ only, there is nothing for them. These kids want to be part of a group, there is a natural human need to feel wanted and belong to a team.

I don't appreciate being called 'as bad as the scum they defend'. You all totally miss my point on supermarkets. My point is that many years ago there was more of a community feel, people shoppped locally, everyone knew everyone. now these days some parents know no one, and feel the need to go out and get drunk to go and make friends, leaving their kids to do what they want. Supermarkets are only one small factor. You all fail to see the bigger picture. You expect these kids to do bad. If you walked down the street and saw a kid with a hoody on, you'd probably put your head down and walk faster. That is part of the problem - I have high expectations of my kids, I expect them to do well and many do. Naturally there are a few that won't, but you have got to stop creating this society where every kid is a yob.

I think you are missing our point.
There is less advertising for alcohol now than there used to be, and i've never seen an advert for a bar or club. And new bars and clubs have always opened in town and always been for over 18's. This is no different today than it has ever been.

Kids have more options available to them these days, not less, there are lots of facilities for them to make use of, although personally I used to find that a football and a field would do, or failing that the house of one of our parents and a tv.

I remember my parents going to teh supermarket, they never shopped locally, the idilic world you describe hasn't existed for 30 or 40 years.
The problem isn't our perceptions of kids, it's not a perception issue if a kid is throwing a brick at you, it's a real problem.
Bad parenting is the cause, but don't try and make excuses for the parents, no one forced them to have children and no one forced them to be bad and lazy parents. You make your own choices, you then have to take responsibility for those choices.

It is not clear if there have been any posts from Asian's relating to this thread. This is exactly when we could do with some input from Asian SF members. This incident took place near to where a young Asian guy was recently stabbed to death, are they completely stupid?

As members of society we should focus on assisting the police when these situations arise - that's my experience. Sitting around after the fact, stroking our beards and musing on why unruly little gits behave like unruly little gits, doesn't do sweet FA. If you see this type of thing happening, call the cops, report it and bugger off. If the parents are bringing up idiots, then blame them, but pondering on every little societal change is going nowhere.

As I walked past there on that side of the road, I glanced about 6-8 asian youths about 20 feet back on the road.



...and would you have mentioned their race had they been white?....no. Thus setting this thread up for the Nazi Bartfarst to peddle his garbage.

Well done

...and would you have mentioned their race had they been white?....no. Thus setting this thread up for the Nazi Bartfarst to peddle his garbage.

Well done
As it goes, it does seem that the louts in this area who are Asian tend to target white people, so the PC crowd are better off not playing that card.

As it goes, it does seem that the louts in this area who are Asian tend to target white people, so the PC crowd are better off not playing that card.

"...seem that..." to "...tend to..." "PC crowd"

Hmmm.. I'm convinced

:rolleyes:

Well whatever you say then, but speaking from experience that's what happens. Similar situation in Pitsmoor now and then, from previous experience.

REF: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=115946

I'm toning the language down because the PC crowd are in, hence the 'tend to' etc. And I'm a lefty-liberal, not one of royjames' mates.

...and would you have mentioned their race had they been white?....no. Thus setting this thread up for the Nazi Bartfarst to peddle his garbage.

Well done

I did consider this beforehand, although I was thinking more of the BNP members who frequent this forum than Bartfarst. The reason I mentioned their ethnicity was that I was worried for further incidents that evening or indeed another evening, so I wanted to give a description of them. Since the incident happened very quickly, they were about 20-30 feet away and I didn't actually stop walking, the only description I can give is that it was a group of about 6-8 asian males. If it had been 6-8 white youths I would have said that instead.

I've just been to West Bar police station and given a description to the assistant behind the counter. She said they'd contact me if they needed more information, or if any more incidents happened.

...and would you have mentioned their race had they been white?....no. Thus setting this thread up for the Nazi Bartfarst to peddle his garbage.

Well done

As they were clearly Asians what is your point? I am certain that if the
youths had been white chavs that it would have been mentioned.

You will be hard pressed to give descriptions to the police if it happens to you when you are likely to avoid the mention of race.

...and would you have mentioned their race had they been white?....no. Thus setting this thread up for the Nazi Bartfarst to peddle his garbage.

Well done

TwoFour, maybe you can explain something to me. If a member of an ethnic minority group is attacked by a white british person(s), why do people accept this as a racially motivated attack, without question, when, if it happens the other way round, race is not mentioned? I detest racism of any form but I think it's dangerous to ignore that white british people can also be victims of racism in Britain as well as the perpetrators.

The point is that this social glue holds communities together, provides support, ensures a good upbringing for kids. I am not saying that supermarkets are the reason there are youths hanging round on London road, I am raising it as a possible factor.

Well it's a pity that some schoolteachers no longer seem to see themselves as part of the glue that holds communities together and socialising the kids with bad parents. No, much easier to blame Thatcher / globalisation / whatever for everything...

Go4it, times changed and moved on from the idea of everyone 'shopping locally' a long time ago. Gone are the days when 'community' centred around a row of shops. Like others have said, there is loads for young people to do in Sheffield - far more than there ever was where I grew up! The more people use reasons like this to excuse their behaviour, the less responsibility you lay at their feet for the anti social behaviour they carry on with.

I do agree that kids feel like they need to belong, which is part of the problem with gangs and groups of youths acting in this way. However parents need to become more involved in their lives and they need to be made aware of what is out there for them other than hanging around the streets. It won't help them to just say it's the fault of a lack of community feeling - don't you think they contribute to this? People being scared in these areas? They need to take responsibility for what they do with their time.

TwoFour, maybe you can explain something to me. If a member of an ethnic minority group is attacked by a white british person(s), why do people accept this as a racially motivated attack, without question, when, if it happens the other way round, race is not mentioned? I detest racism of any form but I think it's dangerous to ignore that white british people can also be victims of racism in Britain as well as the perpetrators.

No, sorry, my point was that had these men been white, this fact would probably not have been mentioned in the OP that's all. The post wasn't giving police a description (when of course, race would be relevant), it was starting a thread which was bound to encourage the likes of B******** to start flaming.

my point was that had these men been white, this fact would probably not have been mentioned in the OP
To be fair, you don't know that at all. When my place was cased last week I posted descriptions on here straight away - including what race they were... such things are just a matter of fact, not a denouement of criminal inclinations.

When it comes to describing criminals, race is an integral factor, just like gender, build, hair colour and height - people should not be scared into omitting facts just because the PC posse are screaming racism.

No, sorry, my point was that had these men been white, this fact would probably not have been mentioned in the OP that's all. The post wasn't giving police a description (when of course, race would be relevant), it was starting a thread which was bound to encourage the likes of B******** to start flaming.

And you know this how? I made this post specifically to warn people about this event, and a key part of this was to give the best description I could. As I said in a previous reply, I would have mentioned if the guys were white.

As someone who has a lot of scorn for tabloid newspapers (note the Brasseye avatar), I'm usually of the opinion that political correctness is a cynically-constructed tabloid bogeyman. However, if there is such a thing as "political correctness gone mad", you're exhibiting it here.

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I see the PC brigade is out in force again....

some kids have the ability to be bored and stay behaved. This is often a misconception of brainy good kids in school. A teacher may teach the most boring lesson on earth, yet the kids stay behaved, calm and do their work, lesson is seen as a success. The fact is that they have been bored senseless, but just get on with it without a whimper. Other kids do not have this ability, and will respond/retaliate immediately to boredom, anger etc. I agree there is no excuse for thuggery, but there is a reason behind it. Sitting back and muttering 'flipping yobs' isn't going to help. Plus a lot has changed since the 80s and 90s, communities are not the same as they use to be (blame whoever, I blame Supermarkets for destroying local shops) and this can cause the kids to feel alienated.

Are you for Real? :help:

Being bored is not, and never has been, any sort of excuse for violent or anti-social behaviour.

Just what sort of crap are you teaching the children you claim to teach? :rant:

StarSparkle

Are you for Real? :help:

Being bored is not, and never has been, any sort of excuse for violent or anti-social behaviour.

Just what sort of crap are you teaching the children you claim to teach? :rant:

StarSparkle
Totally right StarSparkle. I could not believe what I read was written by a teacher. No wonder the kids are "Noddy No-Brains" if this is the standard of leadership shown in our schools. Understanding their problems and trying to help them as individuals I applaud, but being an apologist for violent behaviour to a stranger is disgusting.:rant:

read this from the Tescopoly site, a site that tries to get people to lobby Government over Tesco's dominance.

In June 2005, NEF (the New Economics Foundation) in its Clone Town Britain report, revealed the impact that the dominance of big chain retail is having on our high streets. This dominance of chain retailers, like Tesco, has a serious impact on communities. Chain retailers deprive the local economy of money, destroy the social glue provided by real local shops that holds communities together, and they steal the identity of our towns and cities. The argument that big retail is good because it provides consumers with choice is ironic, because in the end it leaves us with no choice at all.

Ironically I used to work for Tesco.

The point is that this social glue holds communities together, provides support, ensures a good upbringing for kids. I am not saying that supermarkets are the reason there are youths hanging round on London road, I am raising it as a possible factor.


that is such a different view on things, thanks for that !

TwoFour, maybe you can explain something to me. If a member of an ethnic minority group is attacked by a white british person(s), why do people accept this as a racially motivated attack, without question, when, if it happens the other way round, race is not mentioned? I detest racism of any form but I think it's dangerous to ignore that white british people can also be victims of racism in Britain as well as the perpetrators.

This is the most important quote that i have read on this thread thus far speaking from experience i do think that there are more attacks on white people by asians than come to light or are published in the police's crime figures, political correctness is a law made up to protect the minorities from racial bigots but i'm starting to think that the people who came up with this term are the bigots themselves

I wonder if one day there will be a civil war in this country if the minority might seize control of our establishments and become in effect the majority, i think then some will say enough is enough, people are entitled to free speech down with those who say we can't voice our own opinions, it is our right and perogative to differ that is what makes us human why should we like every person in our community i know i don't

These low life need strong discipline from their families maybe they are just rebelling against them or maybe it is evidence of the hatred which is taught from one generation to the next to hate white people something to ponder, i know what i believe.

It is time to stop seeing ethnic tension as purely white on 'brown'. There are tensions between many communities, and inter-ethnic hostility is not talked about openly enough. Racism travels in all directions (and I'm including religious prejudices in that though it's technically a different category). It's human nature to consolidate against 'other' groups.

The more we turn a blind eye to tribal loyalties and hatreds, the more entrenched each community will become, the more segregated, isolated and defensive. We should be more open to discussing simmering rivalries, not more terrified of mentioning them. And I am in no way endorsing the extreme right. If we live in a multicultural society we should be able to discuss it reasonably as a fact, warts and all. Integration seems to have become a dirty word among many who prefer to ignore the resulting problems. Even Trevor Philips, head of the CRE, admits we are 'sleepwalking to segregation'. My patch is the most ethnically diverse in the city but it seems to be becoming polarised rather than integrated. Incidents do seem to be escalating, and I am very worried.

No! What I am saying is that all these kids see on TV is adverts for beer, they see new bars and clubs opening in town. But these are for 18+ only, there is nothing for them. These kids want to be part of a group, there is a natural human need to feel wanted and belong to a team.

My point is that many years ago there was more of a community feel, people shoppped locally, everyone knew everyone. now these days some parents know no one, and feel the need to go out and get drunk to go and make friends, leaving their kids to do what they want

I believe this particular topic is about the asian youths, so to blame parents 'who go out and get drunk' doesnt really apply to this topic, i dont think as the asian community dont drink.

As for the supermarket theory, i just dont buy it at all, yes, things have changed, but to blame (in part) tescos/etc for kids throwing missiles is simply madness.

If you deal with kids at your school with similar problems, give them all a copy of the book 'wi'ers me dad?' , what poverty and boredom was like in the 50s/60s would make anyone with any sort of humanity think.

It is time to stop seeing ethnic tension as purely white on 'brown'. There are tensions between many communities, and inter-ethnic hostility is not talked about openly enough. Racism travels in all directions (and I'm including religious prejudices in that though it's technically a different category). It's human nature to consolidate against 'other' groups.

The more we turn a blind eye to tribal loyalties and hatreds, the more entrenched each community will become, the more segregated, isolated and defensive. We should be more open to discussing simmering rivalries, not more terrified of mentioning them. And I am in no way endorsing the extreme right. If we live in a multicultural society we should be able to discuss it reasonably as a fact, warts and all. Integration seems to have become a dirty word among many who prefer to ignore the resulting problems. Even Trevor Philips, head of the CRE, admits we are 'sleepwalking to segregation'. My patch is the most ethnically diverse in the city but it seems to be becoming polarised rather than integrated. Incidents do seem to be escalating, and I am very worried.

Top post purdyamos :thumbsup:. You summary is generally spot on and you are correct in that incidents are escalating. I also agree with you that it is only snatural for different groups to segregate. We woudl do the same in another country.

Unfortuntaly though many will just add you to the BNP list. Rather than listening they just scream racist. I fear many of these have their heads in the clouds or simply do not get out and about enough to see what many of us see.

And you know this how? I made this post specifically to warn people about this event, and a key part of this was to give the best description I could. As I said in a previous reply, I would have mentioned if the guys were white.

As someone who has a lot of scorn for tabloid newspapers (note the Brasseye avatar), I'm usually of the opinion that political correctness is a cynically-constructed tabloid bogeyman. However, if there is such a thing as "political correctness gone mad", you're exhibiting it here.

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Well Daley, if ever there was a justified case of 'the biter bit', this is surely it. There is an exquisite irony in someone rapping you over the knuckles for breaching pc boundaries by daring to mention the race of the suspects. Anyone familiar with your posts will know how easily accusations of 'racism', 'stirring up' racial hatred or of being 'the worst type of racist' trip from your keyboard onto this forum, often on the flimsiest of pretexts, or even no rational pretext at all. You even, if I remember rightly, accused someone of MacCarthyite smears at one point, whereas the reality is that your posts are littered with false accusations based on your inferences and paranoid suspicions rather than any evidence (ironically again, exactly the same tactic MacCarthy used). Perhaps TwoFour's admonition will be a salutary lesson for you of the absurdity of spraying false accusations and innuendos so liberally on this forum.

How about staying on topic for once? I thought this was about problems on Londond Rd, not 'who's a racist, who's PC and who's getting an ironic come-uppance?'

I'm more concerned about the tales of knife-point attempted robbery than what someone's thoughts on racial tensions are - me and my girlfriend both have to walk through this area on a daily basis. If we keep to the facts, maybe we can all help each other out, eh?

And you know this how? I made this post specifically to warn people about this event, and a key part of this was to give the best description I could. As I said in a previous reply, I would have mentioned if the guys were white.

As someone who has a lot of scorn for tabloid newspapers (note the Brasseye avatar), I'm usually of the opinion that political correctness is a cynically-constructed tabloid bogeyman. However, if there is such a thing as "political correctness gone mad", you're exhibiting it here.

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I take and accept your point on this one Daley, but it would be interesting, wouldn't it, if every time people posted about anti-social behaviour in solidly white areas like Intake and Hackenthorpe, others made comments like "I see the whites are at it again" and "no surprise to see that they're white"? Imagine the reaction!! I've considered doing it myself, just to see what level of double standard exists (because these sorts of comments get applied to non-white people elsewhere on this forum), but a) I'd get banned for trolling, and b) even I can't take that amount of flaming.

On a related (anti-social behaviour) note, I read in the Burngreave Messenger that an 18 year old lad, along with some other young people in Burngreave, have set up a proper group and applied for and got funding for a "chill-out" space, where young people can meet, hang out, watch films, play X-box and the like. He did it to prevent people from just hanging out on the street and getting ASBOs, criminal records etc. He seemed to be of the opinion that hanging out in the street leads to temptation to get up to no good, leads to trouble with police etc. Good on him, I say, we could do with a few more like him.

On a related (anti-social behaviour) note, I read in the Burngreave Messenger that an 18 year old lad, along with some other young people in Burngreave, have set up a proper group and applied for and got funding for a "chill-out" space, where young people can meet, hang out, watch films, play X-box and the like. He did it to prevent people from just hanging out on the street and getting ASBOs, criminal records etc. He seemed to be of the opinion that hanging out in the street leads to temptation to get up to no good, leads to trouble with police etc. Good on him, I say, we could do with a few more like him.

Good on him! This just proves what young people can put their minds to, without just using excuses or just going down that route of anti-social behaviour. .Do you know where he got the funding?
So Go4it, would you suggest something like this to any of your pupils?

Good on him! This just proves what young people can put their minds to, without just using excuses or just going down that route of anti-social behaviour. .Do you know where he got the funding?
So Go4it, would you suggest something like this to any of your pupils?

Not sure where he got the funding from, funkymiss. South Yorkshire Funding Advice Bureau can normally help people find out where they might get funding from http://www.syfab.org.uk/