I have to say that i find it rather disturbing that a couple of people on their Faceparty profile say they take drugs.

What sort of people run Faceparty wherre they seem to imply that drug taking is normal?

Anyway, I was just wondering if any of the people who said they did have clicked on the wrong button or something by mistake.

I suspect the police may be interested in these confessions if they are accurate.

i doubt they are interested actually :)

If this is true it is even sadder than the origional confessions.

A statement on a website is hardly legally binding. If people want to admit they take drugs, publicly, that's up to them.

Who are we to judge others?

I don't think the police are at all interested in what individuals get up to in the privacy of their own homes (re: taking drugs).

Thank goodness ... they probably have much more serious matters to attend to.

I for one am happy for them to spend their time and energy elsewhere ...

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I have to say that i find it rather disturbing that a couple of people on their Faceparty profile say they take drugs.
Good God. What planet have you been living on? I in no way advocate drug use, but i'm fully aware it happens and fully aware that most people do have their own intelligent and justified reasons for doing so. Climb down off your high horse.

Chris.

slimsid u need to get out more mate. judging by mosty of your posts actually. dont you take drugs?? dont you drink alcohol? ever? what about paracetamol?
lol

Originally posted by mimicraze
slimsid u need to get out more mate. judging by mosty of your posts actually. dont you take drugs?? dont you drink alcohol? ever? what about paracetamol?
lol

No of course I don't take (illegal) drugs. Most people don't. Perhaps I don't move in the right (or should that be wrong) circles but I don't know anyone that does. I wasn't brought up that way.

At the risk of stating the obvious, it is a crime in this country to take drugs, and a pretty serious one at that. I get the impression that some people think it is no big deal; which I think is pretty shameful.

What is also shameful is if (as some people say) the police have effectively given up on fighting crime - at least drug crime anyway.

Shameful because it is against the law, or shameful because it is drugs?


Susie, reserving judgement

I think you're being quite naive Slimsid.

Not that that's a bad thing.

Whilst I don't do any drugs myself, aside from smoking cannabis very rarely due to peer pressure, my experience with harder drug users is that they're either addicts, or losers who think they're being really cool but in fact are... well, losers.

but from your profile.....



need i say more?!?!?!?!?




:loopy:






ps. mods gona delete this, but i haven't actually put anything on it!

Slim faceparty is meant to be a kind of dating website, henz why people have their details on there etc. Height, eyes, hair, build etc. When certain people like yourself may search for others like you the people that state they take drugs will not be brought up in their search.

just to add Slim, I take drugs and no police are knockin on my door coz I said so on a website.

Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
Whilst I don't do any drugs myself, aside from smoking cannabis very rarely due to peer pressure, my experience with harder drug users is that they're either addicts, or losers who think they're being really cool but in fact are... well, losers.


From the 'losers' experience I'm sure they think in actual fact 'you' may be the 'loser.'

Define a loser? Someone in a professional position on a high salary who likes to party? Or those dirty rats u see on the street begging you for that 10pence?

As you don't take drugs yourself, it may be you have a very narrow social circle. You don't realise your banker, dentist, lawyer, milkman etc etc could all be taking as you put it 'hard drugs.' Yet they are not losers are they?

Just a thought.

Depends how you define loser, and what you think is necessary to 'party'.

Mod edit: Removed personal insult.

Quote from your Faceparty profile:

" I don't judge people"

So what were you doing in that last post of yours then?

First post, I said how in my experience people who take drugs are losers.
Second post, I was happily insulting steelcitybabs who was lamely trying to be witty by using smileys instead of her own intelligence (understandable)

I guess I should update my profile though, as I don't judge people, jsut in a specific sense that I'm too tired to explain, though I can see why it gets taken the wrong way.

Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
Depends how you define loser, and what you think is necessary to 'party'.

Mod edit: Removed personal insult.

You really don't know the rules of this forum yet do you. Prepare to be silenced. ;)

Great. That'll be right after she is, I assume. Do I need to put a smiley after that?

Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
I don't judge people
Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
people who take drugs are losers.

:loopy:

:lol: Have to admit that's funny sidla!

Originally posted by Sidla
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
I don't judge people

Quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
people who take drugs are losers.

:loopy:

That's not really judging people, it's just stating the obvious

Great! Now how about quoting the entire sentence, the part where the 'in my experience' is included? Hey I can quote out of context too. I'm sure you've said the words, 'I', 'am', 'an', and 'idiot' in your posting history that I can quote together to form a reply, but I'm sure you'd dispute the result.
The part where I said I should update my profile with the 'i dont judge people' also seemed to escape your notice, perhaps when reading it your brain just switched off. I guess trying to crack a joke after the moment passed ten minutes ago is just your thing, eh?

It doesn't matter if it's in your experience or not; by defining someone as a 'loser' you are judging them.

He's got a point there too.

I think most drug users are losers but I realise that many "normal" people use drugs these days, though I don't agree with it. I freely admit to judging people - its human nature and to deny that you don't judge people on first appearances/impressions is only lying to yourself.

Are you feeling alright t020?

Originally posted by Sidla
It doesn't matter if it's in your experience or not; by defining someone as a 'loser' you are judging them.

If you say so. We have different opinions, but before you leapt on the opportunity to display your wit with smileys I had conceeded the point that I should change my profile. As t020 says, it's human nature to jduge people. What I should have said is that I'm open minded about people, in that I'll talk to a prostitute or a CEO as equals if they have a good personality. The things you do as choices, such as taking drugs, are things that I judge on, rather than the person that you are and the things that you can't help. And in my experience, the choice of taking drugs makes the people into idiots, and it also often results from them thinking it makes them look cool and hard when in fact they look like idiots.

Yep - nice to be not right in the epicentre of an argument for once, though I've a feeling I'm about to be drawn into it.

Originally posted by t020
Yep - nice to be not right in the epicentre of an argument for once, though I've a feeling I'm about to be drawn into it.

Come on admit it t020 .. you just can't bear anyone else being at the epicentre of an argument of an argument can you !?

:p

Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
...in my experience

I guess any experience has to be considered vaid but at your age you can't really expect to be taken seriously....IMO. :)

Originally posted by t020
though I've a feeling I'm about to be drawn into it.
And I bet you're rubbing your hands with glee at the anticipation of it! :P

Originally posted by Pauly
I guess any experience has to be considered vaid but at your age you can't really expect to be taken seriously....IMO. :)

Ahh. So since you don't have a good counter argument, you come up with an excuse. Very clever (that was sarcastic!), also transparent and a bit lame. Haven't you got anything better?

Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
If you say so. We have different opinions, but before you leapt on the opportunity to display your wit with smileys I had conceeded the point that I should change my profile. As t020 says, it's human nature to jduge people. What I should have said is that I'm open minded about people, in that I'll talk to a prostitute or a CEO as equals if they have a good personality. The things you do as choices, such as taking drugs, are things that I judge on, rather than the person that you are and the things that you can't help. And in my experience, the choice of taking drugs makes the people into idiots, and it also often results from them thinking it makes them look cool and hard when in fact they look like idiots.

Surely becoming a prostitute is an example of a "choice" though. Plenty of people have financial difficulties and get by with low paid, hard working jobs like cleaning without resorting to selling their body. IMO someone willing to sell their body is someone who I don't want to know.

Originally posted by t020
Surely becoming a prostitute is an example of a "choice" though. Plenty of people have financial difficulties and get by with low paid, hard working jobs like cleaning without resorting to selling their body. IMO someone willing to sell their body is someone who I don't want to know.

Yep I think this is often true. There are also a few exceptions, I think. But it was just an example, not a great one though. I don't judge on things like colour, sexuality, and so on.

Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
Ahh. So since you don't have a good counter argument, you come up with an excuse. Very clever (that was sarcastic!), also very transparent.

Well he is a WHOLE 6 years older than you so has every right to use that patronising excuse for an argument :rolleyes:


NB. sarcasm

BTW Mr. Teatime, I can't believe you're a 22 year old student, and don't know anyone who takes drugs. I suggest that you either don't have any friends, or you don't know them very well.

I think I'll leave this topic now. Our newcomer is clearly trying to invent himself as the new t020 although unlike t020 he's chosen to show his face on a profile.......and looks like a Hanson reject. Sorry but I just can't take those posts seriously when they're connected to that face. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Won't be posting on this subject again as I'm bored and it's gone off topic. This post will most likely be deleted very soon as it's got personal so enjoy it while you can :D

Originally posted by Sidla
BTW Mr. Teatime, I can't believe you're a 22 year old student, and don't know anyone who takes drugs. I suggest that you either don't have any friends, or you don't know them very well.

Yeah, i agree.

I know people who take drugs, thankfully two of them have stopped partically due to me telling them that its bad etc. I dont agree with drug-use and its something id certainly not even consider. its just not worth it TBH

Originally posted by Pauly
I think I'll leave this topic now. Our newcomer is clearly trying to invent himself as the new t020 although unlike t020 he's chosen to show his face on a profile.......and looks like a Hanson reject. Sorry but I just can't take those posts seriously when they're connected to that face. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Won't be posting on this subject again as I'm bored and it's gone off topic. This post will most likely be deleted very soon as it's got personal so enjoy it while you can :D

Again you show your intelligence by failing to have anything of merit to say, instead making excuses whilst hoping no one notices. Generally these sorts of tactics come down to jealousy of some form, and I can't really be bothered to work out what the jealousy is directed at. I can't take your posts seriously either, but not because I've decided to insult the way you look and the face you were born with, rather because you come across as an idiot trying to be a bully.

Back to topic: yes I know some students who take drugs, and as I said before, generally they're losers. Though I'm a strange student as I pretty much hate the student life style and the things we're 'supposed' to do as students. I tried to live as students are supposed to live, and absolutely hated it, then realised it's just an image that's marketed, and became much more comfortable when I realised, and accepted, that it had nothing to do with me, regardless of whether I was a student or not.

Actually, I take it back, it wasn't Mr. Teatime that said he doesn't know anyone that takes drugs, it was slimsid. Got the two confused for a second there.

While I don't take illegal drugs (apart from the occasional toke on a spliff if I'm offered), I know a few people that do. I would certainly not describe them as losers, and I can understand why they do it.

I think to say that you only judge people on their choices is a little shallow (see my sig). You have to accept that had you made different choices in the past, or had a different upbringing, you would probably think about things differently and behave in different ways.

Originally posted by Sidla
Actually, I take it back, it wasn't Mr. Teatime that said he doesn't know anyone that takes drugs, it was slimsid. Got the two confused for a second there.

While I don't take illegal drugs (apart from the occasional toke on a spliff if I'm offered), I know a few people that do. I would certainly not describe them as losers, and I can understand why they do it.

I think to say that you only judge people on their choices is a little shallow (see my sig). You have to accept that had you made different choices in the past, or had a different upbringing, you would probably think about things differently and behave in different ways.

It obviously was a generalisation to say I 'only' judge people on their choices, as it's more complex than that for anyone and of course there are so many factors to take into account. But yes it's their choices that I go on, the people that they are now, and so on. As youve seen I DO judge people and often quite harshly but I always try and make sure I'm OK with it. I'm not making much sense now but I'm happy with the way I do it.
And about your sig... unfortunately it's from Harry Potter and I find those books offensive and extremely overrated... ugh

Originally posted by Pauly
I think I'll leave this topic now. Our newcomer is clearly trying to invent himself as the new t020 although unlike t020 he's chosen to show his face on a profile.......and looks like a Hanson reject. Sorry but I just can't take those posts seriously when they're connected to that face. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Won't be posting on this subject again as I'm bored and it's gone off topic. This post will most likely be deleted very soon as it's got personal so enjoy it while you can :D


Not really fair or relevant to bring in someones appearance to the debate. He's a braver man than I for putting up his photo but I'm sure after the first death threat or 2 for daring to express opinions on a message board he'll soon change his mind.

Originally posted by t020
Not really fair or relevant to bring in someones appearance to the debate. He's a braver man than I for putting up his photo but I'm sure after the first death threat or 2 for daring to express opinions on a message board he'll soon change his mind.

I just got my first PM. I don't think it counts as a death threat but it could definately go that way if I replied...

Originally posted by Mr. Teatime
And about your sig... unfortunately it's from Harry Potter and I find those books horribly offensive and extremely overrated... ugh
It's not really where it came from which is relavent. I just think that statement is a very true reflection of life.

Just to add, most people I know who despise Harry Potter have never read the books.


This is all very off topic now, I might look into a split in the morning.

Originally posted by Sidla
Just to add, most people I know who despise Harry Potter have never read the books.


This is all very off topic now, I might look into a split in the morning.

I read two of the books, realised how much they sucked, saw some interviews with the author, realised how annoying she was, saw the trailers for the movie and instantly hated the kid actors, and decided not to persue the series any further.

read two of the books, realised how much they sucked, saw some interviews with the author, realised how annoying she was, saw the trailers for the movie and instantly hated the kid actors, and decided not to persue the series any further.


A bit of light hearted escapism designed and written for children??
Well Mr teatime, a nice balanced view you hold... Sorry to get involved like this but IMO the world really would be a nicer place with out people like you in it, you seem awfully old and bitter for someone so young.. Unless I am mistaken you do not fit into the age bracket those books were written for, the fact that many adults, some of which may not have read a book, (apart from the TV guide) in ten years, (if ever) have opted to read these book can only be a good thing..
I would find it a worry if many of today's students are as narrow minded as you are. As for the drugs issue, I would guess that a quite a high percentage of lecturers have at some point in their lives taken drugs, possibly even some of the people you may respect as they are helping to shape your future.

Some people on here need to chill out a bit and stop being so prissy and judgmental! The whole 'drugs are evil' shtick has been done to death, and it's as misleading now as it ever was. And the Potter: rubbish/good debate is equally as tiresome - if you don't like it, don't watch or read it (and just to stir the pot a little, is there that much difference between Rowling and Pratchett, other than one's for kids and one's for adults? It's all just escapism, isn't it?)

Live and let live, and all that...

Im pretty sure the majority of the population have indulged in a little bit of drug taking at some point - dont mean everyones heroin addicts, but who hasnt had the odd spliff at some stage?

As for it making you a loser, well thats just name calling, so I call you a loser - ya big baby.
I've got a well paid job, nice house, car, girlfriend, good circle of friends, never been in trouble with the police, never had anything repossesed, dont smoke or drink excessively - all in all things that would make me quite normal, and not make someone describe me as a loser - now if I tell you that I enjoy a joint of an evening does that make me a loser all of a sudden?

Originally posted by floyd77
Im pretty sure the majority of the population have indulged in a little bit of drug taking at some point - dont mean everyones heroin addicts, but who hasnt had the odd spliff at some stage?

Well me for one, and I've had all the opportunity to try whatever drugs I like.

I'm hardly puritanical (that really would be stretching it), but I've just never had the desire to use anything but alchohol - which works very nicely thank you very much.

And for those who think that getting all loved up to music is the only way to go, well you should have been there on 1986 - 89 when we were having full-on raves on airfields and warehouses in the middle of nowhere complete with Police busts. Hehe... and people think that dropping E's in Gatecrasher is sooo cool.. not! ;)

It wasn't neccessary to experience it then - it's not now! It's just an excuse.

I can honestly say that I have never taken any illegal drugs and have no desire to do so.

I see drugs as part of criminal culture not youth culture. They are something which is outside mainstream society and should remain so.

It is also worth pointing out that most people have never taken illegal drugs. Perhaps if more politicians thought like I do there would be much less of a drug problem in society.

Also why do people insist on saying 'use' drugs or even worse 'do' drugs. Surley the correct term is take drugs.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
It is also worth pointing out that most people have never taken illegal drugs. Perhaps if more politicians thought like I do there would be much less of a drug problem in society.
I think you're kidding yourself. I reckon the majority of people have at least tried marijuana. And I don't think drugs are outside of mainstream society, I think there's many people who use drugs regularly, especially among the working classes and maybe more so in the upper classes.

Originally posted by Sidla
Actually, I take it back, it wasn't Mr. Teatime that said he doesn't know anyone that takes drugs, it was slimsid. Got the two confused for a second there.

While I don't take illegal drugs (apart from the occasional toke on a spliff if I'm offered), I know a few people that do. I would certainly not describe them as losers, and I can understand why they do it.

I think to say that you only judge people on their choices is a little shallow (see my sig). You have to accept that had you made different choices in the past, or had a different upbringing, you would probably think about things differently and behave in different ways.

Has the drugs problem really got that bad that some people can say they don't take drugs and then in the very next sentence say "apart from......".

You either take drugs or you don't.

I can only speak from personal experience. Neither I nor any members of my family take or have ever taken drugs.

Obviously you move in different circles to me. Personally I choose not to assosiate with drug takers or other criminal elements.

By the way, I am by no means a prude or trying to be 'holier than thou'. For example I like pretty girls in short skirts very much and no doubt I eat a fair amount of food which isn't that healthy. Neither am I religious. However, some things are beyond the pale and I believe drugs are one of them.

I disagree Sid. I don't think that the majority of people have. In fact, lets have a poll. It might not be totally representitive, being internet based n all, but its a start :)

awww mods can you put that other post back on?? pleae, you've put rest of them up!!!

pm please if wont!!

thanx :)

This is a purely anonymous poll purely for research purposes you understand :)

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I can only speak from personal experience. Neither I nor any members of my family take or have ever taken drugs.

Obviously you move in different circles to me. Personally I choose not to assosiate with drug takers or other criminal elements.


How do you know who is or isn't a drug taker?

Do you do this for all illegal drugs, or just some?

How about legal drug, like alcohol?

Susie

Originally posted by SusieP
How do you know who is or isn't a drug taker?

Do you do this for all illegal drugs, or just some?

How about legal drug, like alcohol?

Susie

Yes of course I mean all illegal drugs. Some may be more dangerous than others but they are all dangerous to some extent and all illegal. I believe that drugs can carry a lenghty prison sentence. This really is quite a serious crime you appear to be advocating.

I don't really drink alcohol (although I will have the odd liqeur chocolate at christmas). The reason I don't drink it is because I don't like the taste, not on moral grounds. However, I don't like gangs of young men getting drunk in the city centre at weekends. This i believe is anti-social.

Mod: We have posted a poll into the thread

Have you tried illegal drugs?

slim, I asked:

How do you know who is or isn't a drug taker?

and

[do you associate with people who tak a] legal drug, like alcohol?


Which you politicianed your way around answering.


Susie

Originally posted by SusieP
slim, I asked:

How do you know who is or isn't a drug taker?

and

[do you associate with people who tak a] legal drug, like alcohol?


Which you politicianed your way around answering.


Susie

To the best of my knowledge I don't assosiate with drug takers. I don't go around everyone I know and ask them as you should be able to assume most decent people do not. Neither do I ak people if they molest children or rob banks. You have to assume people are innocent unless there is reason to believe them guilty.
I have certainly never been offered drugs by anyone I know.

Yes I assosiate with people who drink alcohol. Alcohol is not illegal and so I am not assosiating with criminals by doing so.

If you look at one of my earlier posts I pointed out that I am not a prude. I hope I don't come accross as such - just a law abiding citizen trying to make his way in a world with unfortunately some bad people in it.

If marijuana was declared legal (or alcohol illegal), would that affect the way you associate with people that take those two?

Basically: Is your set of morals defined by law?


Susie

Well yes, I think it important to obey the law. I still would not sit with people who smoke marajana even if it were legal because of the passive smoking issue.

I have to say Susie I think it a shame that you take drugs as you look like a nice girl in your photos on Face Party (especially the last one). I think you could do better for yourself than that and that you will regret it when you are either ill, addicted or in jail.

I doubt anyone's going to get ill or banged up for smoking the occasional joint.

I've never taken illegal drugs either. I was offered weed a few times during college and I chose not to bother. I'm very intolerant of people smoking cigarettes around me due to the stink but funnily enough I have no problem with people smoking weed around me as long as it doesn't blow directly in my face. The smell is much more pleasant than normal fag smoke.

I don't have a problem with people smoking weed as alot of my college pals did it, none of them went on to become heroin/cocaine addicts and it's pretty much harmless in small doses. None of these lads were criminals, just normal college students (being a bit naughty) in the privacy of their own personal space. I don't see a problem and I'd be willing to bet that a certain number of the police officers smoke it in their own homes when off duty. There are more important things to worry about.

Sid, are you saying you've never taken a risk that might've landed you in trouble with someone? Granted I don't take many law-fracturing risks myself (aside from going 40mph in a 30mph)but I don't begrudge those who do. Life would be so boring if we didn't.

I think you could do better for yourself than that and that you will regret it when you are either ill, addicted or in jail.

That really made me laugh, perhaps it should not have but it did! It seems a very narrow minded and ill informed opinion. You may think it's a sad reflection on society that people take drugs, what I think is sad is the fact that people are not given the right to choose, and that people such as yourself, would hold a lower opinion of someone who you were informed may have taken some substance that this government has deemed illegal.
Your opinion of an individual seems to be dictated by they legal system, I think that's shame. Similar to what Susie said but would you have a different opinion of someone if you lived in a country where drugs were all legal?

Neither I nor any members of my family take or have ever taken drugs.

You have children?? Congratulations then for you and your family. I would guess that most Parents with an attitude similar to yours would insist that their children have never taken drugs, I hope you are correct but the statistics don't really ring true.. According to statistics, over 50% of teenagers have experimented with drugs by the age of 15. I would guess that statistics quoting parents who are sure that their children have never taken drugs would be considerably higher. Would Leah Betts' parents not have produced a similar quote to yourself when asked?

I do not take take illegal drugs.

What I really take exception to is that the government is telling me what I can and cannot do with my own body / life.

Further more ... what the government tells me I can and cannot put in my body ... IS NOT based on what is good / bad for me.

It seems to have more to do with the amount of revenue (taxes etc) that it will generate for the government to spend on illegal wars etc...

A Bill Hicks quote always goes down well when talking about drugs:

"Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit... paranoid? You know what I mean? It's nature. How do you make nature against the ****ing law?" -Bill Hicks

Chris.

The thing I have always wondered is why certain drugs are illegal and others are not.

Social stigma, fashion, lots of reasons really. I just find it very strange how alcohol is openly promoted, worshipped on occasion, but anyone who owns up to smoking a little weed is classed as "criminal". The world makes very little sense really. :)

Chris.

I could be wrong but would imagine that Slimsid grew up in the same era as myself. Yes drugs have been around for years but they were on the periphery of youth culture 20/30 years ago whereas judging by your comments on here drugs now seem to be central to todays youth culture. I find this really worrying.

You want to take drugs and you are over 18 then fine by me, assuming of course that you are actually EARNING the money used to buy drugs and are not stealing it or using Social Security to pay for them.

The problem with this though is how do you protect children under 18? How do you protect the unborn baby, who at birth is already addicted being carried by a junkie mum?

A few things really on this topic.

Not all drug takers are losers, although quite a few are who talk gobs*ite to you all night in a bar/club.

Jamie - you stated that the government have no right in telling you what and what not you can put into your body. I agree with you to a certain extent where you can cope with it. Howeverr the govt does have the right to say these things as the govt represents us (tax payers) on dishing out the money to the NHS for drug rehab and associated remedies with drug addiction. So they have a message to give out to the community about laws and standards to keep the population as a whole in control. Although drug addicts do need help, I kind of get miffed when people who have illnesses that they have had no direct influence on can not get treatment on the NHS because of funding.

Its all about personal experience and keeping it in control.


Please note that my first statement did not indicate which drugs - because alcohol is a drug!

If alcohol was found today - do you think world governments and health bodies would legalize it!?

PS I do drink but not high amounts.

Originally posted by Chris_Sleeps
...anyone who owns up to smoking a little weed is classed as "criminal". The world makes very little sense really. :)


If the world makes little sense now, I doubt it would become clearer when you're high on something :D

More seriously though, thanks to everyone for all your posts in this matter. I find it interesting to read other peoples' opinions, regardless of whether I agree with them or not.

It'll help me in understanding youth culture a little more.

I always thought drugs were for people who couldn't / didn't want to face reality.

Originally posted by Mo
How do you protect the unborn baby, who at birth is already addicted being carried by a junkie mum?
Your playing with extremes. There is a very big difference between drug use and heroin addiction, just like there is a big difference between the average pub goer and an alcoholic.

Originally posted by ZEDEX48K
Howeverr the govt does have the right to say these things as the govt represents us (tax payers) on dishing out the money to the NHS for drug rehab and associated remedies with drug addiction.
Alcohol use costs the government more per year than drug rehabilitian, through social consequences (vandalism, policing streets, hospital treatment for drunks and people who have been fighting) and through rehabilitation. Why say drugs are bad but let everyone drink? It still makes no sense.

Chris.

Originally posted by Chris_Sleeps
Alcohol use costs the government more per year than drug rehabilitian, through social consequences (vandalism, policing streets, hospital treatment for drunks and people who have been fighting) and through rehabilitation. Why say drugs are bad but let everyone drink? It still makes no sense.
So maybe it should be banned then? But then the government is telling you what you can and can't do. It doesn't cut both ways.

I never said it should be banned.

Chris.

i was only having this conversation 10 minutes ago. Everyone takes drugs these days.

illegal ones that is.

Booze is the worse drug i have ever come across by far. sid you obviously know nothing about the kinds of drugs out there and the effects.

Originally posted by Red 2
i was only having this conversation 10 minutes ago. Everyone takes drugs these days.

illegal ones that is.



Then God help us

I think everyone should just chill out.

If I was so intolerant about drug taking among my friends as slimsid I wouldnt have met and have the brilliant friendships I do now and would have missed out meeting some really fantastic people.

I just dont think you can be so judgemental, so many things are illegal yet we still do them. If we judged everything that way our lives would be very boring!

hey the odd spliff never hurt anyone!!!!

:thumbsup:

Depends on how 'odd' that spliff is. ;)

well mine was about 2 years ago, when i was 16 n in corporation, just trying it!

Originally posted by Mo
Then God help us

You make it sound like we're all doomed and the end of the world is nigh.

The world has never been 'pure and heavenly' and probably never will be. So dramatic. :rolleyes:

I personally feel that the reason that marijuana isn't legal is because it's been classified as a DRUG and some narrow-minded people are dead against DRUGS in any form. They hear the word DRUG and they think needles, AIDS, disease and death. However they conveniently forget that alcohol and cigarettes are also drugs and most likely cause more deaths than illegal drugs every year. ;)

PS. I am going on assumption because I can't be bothered to go fact-hunting. :)

Originally posted by Pauly
I've never taken illegal drugs either. I was offered weed a few times during college and I chose not to bother. I'm very intolerant of people smoking cigarettes around me due to the stink but funnily enough I have no problem with people smoking weed around me as long as it doesn't blow directly in my face. The smell is much more pleasant than normal fag smoke.

I don't have a problem with people smoking weed as alot of my college pals did it, none of them went on to become heroin/cocaine addicts and it's pretty much harmless in small doses. None of these lads were criminals, just normal college students (being a bit naughty) in the privacy of their own personal space. I don't see a problem and I'd be willing to bet that a certain number of the police officers smoke it in their own homes when off duty. There are more important things to worry about.

Sid, are you saying you've never taken a risk that might've landed you in trouble with someone? Granted I don't take many law-fracturing risks myself (aside from going 40mph in a 30mph)but I don't begrudge those who do. Life would be so boring if we didn't.

I suspect life would be a lot better if people didn't. It is selfish people who disregard rules who cause so many problems for others.

I don't think that people taking drugs is causing a massive problem for society. The people i know that have taken drugs (including myself), have not ended up on the streets shooting up heroin. They have in fact, carried on with their lives without any major problems. Of course there are people who end up destroying their lives with drug use, but i don't think that is the drugs as much as their own self destructive personality.

A large percentage of the population use drugs from time to time, but don't cause problems for the rest of society. As long as our choices don't affect others around us, then I don't think it's anyones place to comment or judge. Everyone to their own

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
That really made me laugh, perhaps it should not have but it did! It seems a very narrow minded and ill informed opinion. You may think it's a sad reflection on society that people take drugs, what I think is sad is the fact that people are not given the right to choose, and that people such as yourself, would hold a lower opinion of someone who you were informed may have taken some substance that this government has deemed illegal.
Your opinion of an individual seems to be dictated by they legal system, I think that's shame. Similar to what Susie said but would you have a different opinion of someone if you lived in a country where drugs were all legal?



You have children?? Congratulations then for you and your family. I would guess that most Parents with an attitude similar to yours would insist that their children have never taken drugs, I hope you are correct but the statistics don't really ring true.. According to statistics, over 50% of teenagers have experimented with drugs by the age of 15. I would guess that statistics quoting parents who are sure that their children have never taken drugs would be considerably higher. Would Leah Betts' parents not have produced a similar quote to yourself when asked?

No I don't have children. I was refering to parents, grandparents, aunts etc. I don't come from a druggie background

In my home, I have a quantity of marijuana, and several bottles of wine. I'm enjoying a relaxing day off, and in a moment, I will either smoke the weed, or drink the wine. Can you tell me how doing one over the other is "caus[ing] so many problems for others"?


Susie, who hasn't really got marijuana, if the police are reading.

Originally posted by Pauly
Life would be so boring if we didn't.

exactly, life is full of risks, otherwise its not worth living at all!

you only live once, and i personally intend to live it to the full!!! :D

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I suspect life would be a lot better if people didn't. It is selfish people who disregard rules who cause so many problems for others.

As i said above, the majority of people don't cause problems for others. I can definately say that for friends of mine that are drug users. it's their choice and it doesn't affect anyone else, so i don't see the problem.

Originally posted by Mo
I could be wrong but would imagine that Slimsid grew up in the same era as myself. Yes drugs have been around for years but they were on the periphery of youth culture 20/30 years ago whereas judging by your comments on here drugs now seem to be central to todays youth culture. I find this really worrying.

You want to take drugs and you are over 18 then fine by me, assuming of course that you are actually EARNING the money used to buy drugs and are not stealing it or using Social Security to pay for them.

The problem with this though is how do you protect children under 18? How do you protect the unborn baby, who at birth is already addicted being carried by a junkie mum?

I was born in 1970 if that makes a difference.

Originally posted by Mo
You want to take drugs and you are over 18 then fine by me, assuming of course that you are actually EARNING the money used to buy drugs and are not stealing it or using Social Security to pay for them.

The problem with this though is how do you protect children under 18? How do you protect the unborn baby, who at birth is already addicted being carried by a junkie mum?

That is a problem, but not a new one. we've always had the responsibility to guard children from drugs, alcohol, smoking etc... and i really don't think that we're heading for a society full of junkie mums. that kind of situation has more to do with the individuals involved and the background they have grown up in. Most responsible people would not take such risks while pregnant, in the same way they wouldn't drink loads, smoke or eat unhealthy food.

Hey slim - lighten up! You might have more fun.

Dont take this badly, but it could be these very strict and high brow rules and views that are the reason you've never had a girlfriend. Good on you for having strong opinions and morals, but maybe take a bit longer thinking about them and how much they mean to you and their implications before you live so strictly by them - but do as you will and good luck to you.

Consider this, If the government banned coca-cola tomorrow - would you still have such a low opinion of a 'coca-cola taker'? Of course not as that would be ridiculous.
Remeber there is a huge void between someone who smokes hash and a heroin addict, and one does not lead to the other. I have been a smoker for years, and know many professionals (teachers, doctors, lawyers, accountants, policemen, RAF officers - not to mention butchers, bakers and candlestick makers) who indulge in smoking weed, with no detrimental effects - and it doesnt make them 'bad people'.

All im saying is broaden your horizons a little and you might have more fun - not go out and start taking drugs, I have many friends who dont smoke and thats fine because they choose not to but they dont feel they cant associate with those of us who do as we are the 'bad element' of society.

Never taken the hard stuff myself, but known lots of people at college or through work and found that the 'ganja', 'weed', 'whacky backy' smokers have always been cheerful, laid-back weirdos who I got on quite well with. Their fags were certainly more fun than my fags.

Good luck to the weed!

:thumbsup:

I'm not even gonna bother arguing in this thread. Glad some people are in the 21st that's all I can say.

I can't add anything to this other than to say: why bother with illegal drugs when

O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
aka Psilocybin
is 100% free and 100% legal

Is a world class psychedelic entheogen with remarkable properties. It is essentially identical in structure to n,n dimethyltryptamine (an endogenous neurotransmitter closely associated with OOBEs and NDEs). As a tryptamine psychedlic, it is of the same ilk as Lysergic Acid Diethylamide 25 (also originating from fungus).

As luck would have it, it is found in sizeable quantities in the common british mushroom Psilocybe Semilanceata aka the liberty cap.

A number of enterprising entrepreneurs have also started cultivating exotic strains of amazonian and north american fungi, each with their own distinctive psychedelic bouquet. Having dabbled in this myself, I can say that raising fungi is an extraordinarily satisfying experience, particularly the harvest of fresh 2oz specimens!

Originally posted by J-Blaze
I'm not even gonna bother arguing in this thread. Glad some people are in the 21st that's all I can say.

yup same here! some farcical comments posted in this thread

i will be going out this weekend and like most other weekends will be getting absolutely t*atted and then i'll return to my very responsible job (the letters after my name come with (BA (Hons) Dip/TP MRTPI - yes i am a loser!?) and happy in the knowledge that my weekend was mostly spent with a big pHat grin on my face far far away from the maddening crowd or townies and muppets who seem intent on kicking the ****e outta each other, if you like. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Pauly
You make it sound like we're all doomed and the end of the world is nigh.

The world has never been 'pure and heavenly' and probably never will be. So dramatic. :rolleyes:

I personally feel that the reason that marijuana isn't legal is because it's been classified as a DRUG and some narrow-minded people are dead against DRUGS in any form. They hear the word DRUG and they think needles, AIDS, disease and death. However they conveniently forget that alcohol and cigarettes are also drugs and most likely cause more deaths than illegal drugs every year. ;)

PS. I am going on assumption because I can't be bothered to go fact-hunting. :)

you're damn right mate. I have in the past indulged in different chemicals and a bit of weed... it was all part of growing up i think. people forget that this generation is exposed to it so readily in the media and by peers.

some drugs have different effects - professionals such as artists, academics, writers may use a little skunk, or cocaine for inspiration sometimes. The keyword here is moderation. Look at bands like the Beatles, Cream etc.. they made some of the greatest rock music on acid trips and smoking weed.

Some drugs can help open up the other 65% or so of your brain that you don't use. On the flip side this can cause bad things like someone with a vivid imagination could get flashbacks or scare themselves.

Different drugs have different uses.. from a recreational aspect for example. Ecstacy is used by clubbers because 1. it is so much cheaper than drinking and 2. because it has a much better effect - it gives you more energy and allows you to feel the music instead or just listening to it. It can also bring a loved up feeling making everyone on the dancefloor really happy and a sense of togetherness like they are on the same waveform.

Drugs like Coke can be good in moderation but it's all about self control. This kind of drug can totally change a person though and turn them into a completely different person. Nasty and withdrawn.

Heroin frees the mind, but is severely addictive and will **** you up. Some people use drugs to escape reality, some use them to enhance reality, and some just use them recreationally like i have described.

Ketamin can take you usually to places you don't want to go.

I think it is totally wrong that people have this perception that all drugs are in the same category and tarred with the same brush. Although i don't do any of them anymore i am glad to say i have tried some of them and wouldnt take those experiences (some of the best i have ever had) away.

Cigarettes and Alcohol are the worst drugs FACT. and they are legal?! It just shows you what the government knows about these things.. or how much they can be bought for!

If drugs like weed and E became legal and produced by the government however the culture would collapse... dealers not working, then people like drug units and drug police would be out of jobs.. (exaggerations perhaps)

In then end.. if bush, blair and other world leaders had a spliff every once in a while there'd be no fighting... and they'd get more done... (providing they didn't smoke it too much!!)

:D

Originally posted by Bedhead

i will be going out this weekend and like most other weekends will be getting absolutely t*atted and then i'll return to my very responsible job (the letters after my name come with (BA (Hons) Dip/TP MRTPI - yes i am a loser!?) :thumbsup:

That goes a long way towards explaining the half baked planning decisions that are made by the Council ;)

You have no idea what you are doing to your body long-term. When you are ill with drug use will you use some of your super duper salary to buy private treatment or will you do as I suspect and be a drain on the good old National Health Service and in doing so deprive somebody of a hip replacement or cancer therapy? You are so selfish.

Any more or less selfish than people who smoke, or go out on the lash a few times a week?

Originally posted by Sidla
Any more or less selfish than people who smoke, or go out on the lash a few times a week?

Agreed on the smoking part but don't see how you can compare a moderate amount of alcohol with illegal substances. For astart we are told that not too much alcohol can actually be good for us.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I can't add anything to this other than to say: why bother with illegal drugs when

O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
aka Psilocybin
is 100% free and 100% legal

Is a world class psychedelic entheogen with remarkable properties. It is essentially identical in structure to n,n dimethyltryptamine (an endogenous neurotransmitter closely associated with OOBEs and NDEs). As a tryptamine psychedlic, it is of the same ilk as Lysergic Acid Diethylamide 25 (also originating from fungus).

As luck would have it, it is found in sizeable quantities in the common british mushroom Psilocybe Semilanceata aka the liberty cap.

A number of enterprising entrepreneurs have also started cultivating exotic strains of amazonian and north american fungi, each with their own distinctive psychedelic bouquet. Having dabbled in this myself, I can say that raising fungi is an extraordinarily satisfying experience, particularly the harvest of fresh 2oz specimens!

An example of subjective moderating if ever I've seen any. I have seen posts deleted/altered/closed within minutes for far less controversial content than this.

I have deliberately not used the report post link here because I wanted to illustrate how biased moderating sometimes is.

I'm sorry Mo but you are a d*** h***

Originally posted by Mo
An example of subjective moderating if ever I've seen any. I have seen posts deleted/altered/closed within minutes for far less controversial content than this.

I have deliberately not used the report post link here because I wanted to illustrate how biased moderating sometimes is.

Why would you report this post? What is there that is controversial? It is merely advocating using a perfectly legal substance.

Originally posted by Red 2
I'm sorry Mo but you are a d*** h***

Is that the best you can offer?

Originally posted by max
Why would you report this post? What is there that is controversial? It is merely advocating using a perfectly legal substance.

It may be but do you think that you are behaving reponsibly by allowing it to be 'promoted' on here.

would you still say that something grown wild like mushrooms is as bad as something like E?

Originally posted by Mo
It may be but do you think that you are behaving reponsibly by allowing it to be 'promoted' on here.
We've had threads about the BNP in the past. I wouldn't really say that 'promoting' them is responsible either.

Originally posted by Bedhead
yup same here! some farcical comments posted in this thread

i will be going out this weekend and like most other weekends will be getting absolutely t*atted and then i'll return to my very responsible job (the letters after my name come with (BA (Hons) Dip/TP MRTPI - yes i am a loser!?) and happy in the knowledge that my weekend was mostly spent with a big pHat grin on my face far far away from the maddening crowd or townies and muppets who seem intent on kicking the ****e outta each other, if you like. :thumbsup:

Least someone enjoys life. Those slating drugs/us are just those who are jealous. We are not harming them in anyway whatsoever. I just wish they'd grow up and realise times are different and not everyone spends their entire life on the internet in lame chatrooms never getting out and having a life.

so whens the forum drug uses meet!

Originally posted by Mo
Is that the best you can offer?

Oh i'm sorry.. Was my previous post not enough?

You obviously have no real contact with youth culture and the generation of today Mo. I'm sorry for being offensive but you are posting like a gormless idiot.

Originally posted by J-Blaze
Least someone enjoys life. Those slating drugs/us are just those who are jealous. We are not harming them in anyway whatsoever. I just wish they'd grow up and realise times are different and not everyone spends their entire life on the internet in lame chatrooms never getting out and having a life.

I live a full, varied and interesting life. I do not have to escape from reality as you obviously do by taking illegal substances.

For somebody who had made 191 posts in 2 months compared to my 899 in 15 months I think it is plain to see who is the chatroom/internet bore.

Originally posted by Red 2
Oh i'm sorry.. Was my previous post not enough?

You obviously have no real contact with youth culture and the generation of today Mo. I'm sorry for being offensive but you are posting like a gormless idiot.

and you are such an eloquent, articulate and well educated person I see.

You see you as a person are so vague I can't even see if you are being sarcastic or plain complimentary there.

If you read my post on the previous page you would see the mere snippet of my thoughts on the subject.

Do you know what the differences are between say E and Cannabis?

And as for using drugs as an escape from reality, that may be true for some people with some drugs, but I think if you looked into the subject in greater detail you would see that the vast majority of recreational drug users do not.

You Mo are the one who does not seem to have much of a positive contribution to add to the debate.

Each to their own and all that :)

LOL LOL LOL.......... I wouldn't bother - I have discovered that if you dissagree with certain people on here you are branded a liar & uneducated

Red 2 why dont you invite mo to yours to chill out with a spliff

Originally posted by Lindseyw
LOL LOL LOL.......... I wouldn't bother - I have discovered that if you dissagree with certain people on here you are branded a liar & uneducated

You talking from a more open minded view or perspective on this situation or supporting Mo and Sid's views etc?

f_g i don't particularly do any drugs mate!

Originally posted by Mo
I live a full, varied and interesting life. I do not have to escape from reality as you obviously do by taking illegal substances.

For somebody who had made 191 posts in 2 months compared to my 899 in 15 months I think it is plain to see who is the chatroom/internet bore.

Or maybe I have a great job that requires me to sit on my arse from 9 to 4 surfing the internet?

Your life sounds about as thrilling as a party in a sewer. No really I'm sure your a rayt laugh on the town... honest.

Originally posted by f_g
so whens the forum drug uses meet!

Well the last one was at the Harley. I think the next one is Saturday at Devonshire Green.

Originally posted by Red 2
You talking from a more open minded view or perspective on this situation or supporting Mo and Sid's views etc?

f_g i don't particularly do any drugs mate!

This situation and the fact that certain members of this forum do not like to be wrong.... not YOU..... others :)

Originally posted by Abdul
If the world makes little sense now, I doubt it would become clearer when you're high on something :D

More seriously though, thanks to everyone for all your posts in this matter. I find it interesting to read other peoples' opinions, regardless of whether I agree with them or not.

It'll help me in understanding youth culture a little more.

I always thought drugs were for people who couldn't / didn't want to face reality.

Drugs are not youth culture they are criminal culture. Maybe when people understand that (and stop labeling all young people as druggies) things will be better.

I don't delude myself that we can ever eradicate drugs from society but I do believe they can be pushed much more to the periphary if there was a general will to do so.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Drugs are not youth culture they are criminal culture.
Drugs would not be criminal culture if they were legalised. Swings and roundabouts my man, swings and roundabouts.

Chris.

Just call me a criminal then. To be honest when I'm having a smoke in town I don't worry about being sent to jail. Why's that you think?

Drugs are more accepted in society and as long as your not bothering people why should they bother you?

You can't label drug users whoever they are.

Originally posted by magicgem
I think everyone should just chill out.

If I was so intolerant about drug taking among my friends as slimsid I wouldnt have met and have the brilliant friendships I do now and would have missed out meeting some really fantastic people.

I just dont think you can be so judgemental, so many things are illegal yet we still do them. If we judged everything that way our lives would be very boring!

With respect though Magicgem everybody has their own idea of what is and is not a reasonable law. No doubt a peodophile would regard many of the current laws on sex as restrictive and unresonable. Does that mean he should be allowed to break those laws to satisfy his own cravings.

You get the idea?

Are you telling me that you have NEVER broken the law SlimSid? Not even once???

Originally posted by Pauly
You make it sound like we're all doomed and the end of the world is nigh.

The world has never been 'pure and heavenly' and probably never will be. So dramatic. :rolleyes:

I personally feel that the reason that marijuana isn't legal is because it's been classified as a DRUG and some narrow-minded people are dead against DRUGS in any form. They hear the word DRUG and they think needles, AIDS, disease and death. However they conveniently forget that alcohol and cigarettes are also drugs and most likely cause more deaths than illegal drugs every year. ;)

PS. I am going on assumption because I can't be bothered to go fact-hunting. :)

I would happily ban cigarettes and introduce much stricter limits on alcohol consumption in town centre bars/pubs so I'm not being hypocritical. To me there is a strong case for saying society needs civilising to protect people from others' excesses.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
No doubt a peodophile would regard many of the current laws on sex as restrictive and unresonable. Does that mean he should be allowed to break those laws to satisfy his own cravings.
You cannot even begin to compare pedophilia and drug use. Thats just making you look silly.

Chris.

Originally posted by Red 2
Oh i'm sorry.. Was my previous post not enough?

You obviously have no real contact with youth culture and the generation of today Mo. I'm sorry for being offensive but you are posting like a gormless idiot.

As someone who is only 33 (hardy geriatric) I really feel obliged to point out that not all young people (and I mean younger than me) take drugs. It really is insulting to the decent majority (and I think it is a majority) who don't. Why try and tar everyone with the same brush. You personally might take drugs but don't assume that you speak for an entire generation. It's no wonder young people often get a bad reputation if people make unfair generalisations.

Originally posted by Chris_Sleeps
Drugs would not be criminal culture if they were legalised. Swings and roundabouts my man, swings and roundabouts.

Chris.

Murder would not be criminal if it were legalised. Is that an argument for legalising it?

Originally posted by J-Blaze
Are you telling me that you have NEVER broken the law SlimSid? Not even once???

Not that I am aware of, no. I also have a bit more respect for my own health than to take drugs.

I'll give you a clue, Sid: We know drugs are illegal, (some of us) just don't care.

Yet again you look silly. Social maths, here we go:

Murder: 1 criminal and 1 person dead.
Pedophilia: 1 criminal and 1 person sexually abused.
Drug use: 1 criminal, nobody is dead or hurt.

You're using very clever arguments but you cannot dance around what everyone is saying. Drugs in moderate use hurt nobody. Stop trying to be clever and admit it.

Chris.

Originally posted by Chris_Sleeps
You cannot even begin to compare pedophilia and drug use. Thats just making you look silly.

Chris.

I don't know whether or not you speak as a drug taker, a peodophile or both. The point is that there are always laws which individuals regard as unreasonable because they prevent them from doing something they wish. I think it true that most peodophiles genuinely believe they are doing nothing wrong, as do many drug takers.

You can't have a situation where people break those laws which they disagree with yet still expect others to obey the laws which they do agree with. That is the road to anarchy.

One final point, drug abuse does hurt other people in lots of ways. apart from the obvious ones like stealing to get money for drugs there are also more subtle social harms. Drugs (and other things too) have done a lot to give nightclubs a bad name. That discourages decent men from going to them and meeting the girls that are there. In fact I'll be honest, I think that for me personally that is my major objection to them.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I don't know whether or not you speak as a drug taker, a peodophile or both.
Now you're just insulting, so i shall take my leave. Good day with you.

Chris.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
As someone who is only 33 (hardy geriatric) I really feel obliged to point out that not all young people (and I mean younger than me) take drugs. It really is insulting to the decent majority (and I think it is a majority) who don't. Why try and tar everyone with the same brush. You personally might take drugs but don't assume that you speak for an entire generation. It's no wonder young people often get a bad reputation if people make unfair generalisations. Agreed. Also, it's a common myth that not taking drugs is unacceptable in youth culture. That's completely false in all but the most extreme cases, and the opposite is usually true with substances except tobacco, cannabis or alcohol.

Me? Wherever I travel I only take drugs legally, although I have taken drugs that would be illegal under UK law. (For example, the only place I have taken cannabis has been in Amsterdam coffee shops.) Also, I've got this thing about smoking... it's my one pet hate. I've never smoked anything ever, just on principle.

this has got you all fiesty hasn't it.

No-one has drawn much of a distinction between less addictive 'soft' drugs and far more dangerous (to individuals and society) 'hard' very addictive drugs, why is that?

I personally have never taken an illegal drug, nor smoked. I do drink, sometimes silly amounts.

I don't know many people that take drugs, i have known a few, I know a few (I mean 1) at the moment who smokes cannabis. There may be a few other friends who do and I just don't know about it.

It doesn't make them a horrible person or a hardened criminal. It's not something i'll ever join in with, but each to there own.
Personally i'd like to see the government legalise canabis.

Many pages earlier someone made a half-assed comment about the government and why alchohol and tobacco is legal whilst other drugs aren't. It's nothing to do with tax revenue, they could get more tax revenue by legalising it all and taxing it.
It's because alchohol has been part of society for thounsands of years and tobacco for hundreds. it's too late to criminalise them, the best they can do is keep it legal and make it as expensive as they reasonably can through tax.

Lets not be naeve though, some drugs do cause problems for society, people do get addicted, and they commit crime to feed that addiction whilst at the same time stopping being a productive member of society.

I doubt the veracity of claims that the majority of the population has tried drugs, i doubt even less that the majority are active users.

You can be prosecuted for taking drugs, although once you've taken them it's a bit difficult to prove. You would definitely be prosecuted for possession or intent to supply if you happen to be caught with any in your possession (apart from canabis, where you'll just have it confiscated and maybe a caution for small amounts).

A finally, I doubt there are many off duty policeman having a spliff as someone suggested, they have random drug tests, they would definitely loose their job and career and it stays in your system for some considerable time.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
As someone who is only 33 (hardy geriatric) I really feel obliged to point out that not all young people (and I mean younger than me) take drugs. It really is insulting to the decent majority (and I think it is a majority) who don't. Why try and tar everyone with the same brush. You personally might take drugs but don't assume that you speak for an entire generation. It's no wonder young people often get a bad reputation if people make unfair generalisations.

I agree with this as well, id say that the majority of my friends wouldnt take drugs, even if offered. Some might, and some already do.

I dont need mind-altering (external) chemicals to have a good time, and for the people who do then you should either take a good long look at yourself and what you are doing, and I suggest doing something not so obviously crap you have to make it better via drugs.

Drugs are too often peddled as being harmless, but ive seen people go from so called "soft" drugs and progress further onto harder stuffs!

edit: I agree with the above post!

I don't think it is true, I think a majority (>50%) of people have tried an illegal drug (even if it's only cannabis) at least once, and looking at the poll it backs this statement up. I think that people who believe it's a minority of people who've tried drugs are clearly being naîve.

I don't think the majority of people use drugs on a regular basis, and I'd be concerned for anyone who does.

Originally posted by Mo
An example of subjective moderating if ever I've seen any. I have seen posts deleted/altered/closed within minutes for far less controversial content than this.

I have deliberately not used the report post link here because I wanted to illustrate how biased moderating sometimes is.

I love magic mushrooms.

Mother Nature has provided us with a nutritious snack, full of protein with a pleasant, nutty flavour and it reconnects you to the planetery entelechy from which we have become estranged.

And of course it is 100% legal, so it can't be bad - as studies have shown the most damaging effects of drugs come from the penalties in law for using them; rather than the effects of the substances themselves.

Since very few people have taken the time to distinguish between drugs here, lumping them all together as if diamorphine intrinsically has something in common with ibogaine, for example.

All drugs are different. All have different usage profiles, legal statuses, LD50:ED50 ratios, addiction potentials etc. etc. To even talk about 'drugs' is meaningless beyond being a shorthand for prohibited substances - in which case Magic Mushrooms are not drugs but food.

Let me reiterate - Magic Mushrooms are Wonderful - if you have even the slightest doubt that they are bad for you, then I seriously suggest that you go and munch a handful, maybe five or ten liberty caps. What you will experience is the lightest touch of the entheogenic properties of this splendid fungus, which will give what you need to know if you are going to take it further.

To paraphrase someone or other -
"if you have never taken mushrooms then you don't know what you are talking about, and if you have taken them, then you are biased."



caveat. know what you are picking. know about psilocybin and the risks. dont eat mushrooms that someone else has picked for you - they may have no idea.

don't dry the mushrooms, eat them fresh. They are much better this way.

If you do dry them, dry them whole. As soon as you grind them up, or in any way 'make a preparation' of them, you will be in possession of a Class A drug, carrying a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison and/or an unlimited fine.

I don't think the police have ramdom drug tests, I think high up they are too scared of the possible results. If anyone could clarify I would like to know.

Originally posted by slimsid2000

One final point, drug abuse does hurt other people in lots of ways. apart from the obvious ones like stealing to get money for drugs there are also more subtle social harms. Drugs (and other things too) have done a lot to give nightclubs a bad name. That discourages decent men from going to them and meeting the girls that are there. In fact I'll be honest, I think that for me personally that is my major objection to them.

As mentioned earlier, those that have to steal for their addiction are in the minority. ie those that are addicted to heroin. I'm pretty sure that no one involved in this discussion is a heroin junkie. So if we're discussing the use of cannabis, LSD, or e for example, The stealing money doesn't come into it as these are not addictive substances. Especially considered that most of the people i know who use cannabis, grow it themselves. there's no real problems i can see there. they're smoking a plant that they have grown. big deal! I don't see how that causes anymore problems than eating a lettuce that you have grown.

People don't have to take drugs to enjoy themselves (including me), they often choose to, in the same way as people choose to have a pint or 2 in the pub. We chose to do these things to enhance the experience we are having, not to make it. To be honest i'd prefer to go to a club where people are stoned or on pills as they're are generally a lot safer and there is less chance of any violence, compared to a club full of drunk people.

Sid I get the impression that your ideal club would be one, where no one drinks or take drugs, and is full of girls to oggle at?
Unfortunately, this is not the everyone's idea of a good time. hence why such clubs are rare.

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
I don't think the police have ramdom drug tests, I think high up they are too scared of the possible results. If anyone could clarify I would like to know.

All the armed forces, including the police have random CDTs (compulsory drugs tests). Though i have a friend in the police who smokes a fair bit of canabis and has never been found out. curious.

Slim - get a grip. After reviewing all your posts I am now forced to conclude you must be some kind of simpleton.

Society is not full of druggies, as I said there is a huge gap between hash and heroin. I've smoked hash for about 10 years, and never been tempted to move on to coke or heroin. You would brand me a criminal, but if I went on holiday to Amsterdam I wouldnt be, what does that tell you?
Neither I, nor friends I have that smoke hash force it upon others, like I said I have some friends who prefer not to smoke, so they dont. I dont rob people to pay for my habit, just like you wouldnt rob someone to pay for a beer or a packet of fags.

Im not trying to get you to start taking drugs, but get off your high horse - you dont like it, we understand. Good point and well laboured. Just widen your horizons (not just about this particular issue) or prepare to grow old and die a lonely virgin who has missed out on the best life has to offer. Again, im not saying you have to start taking drugs, you just need to re-asses your attitude.

P.S. Ive enjoyed a spliff on a few occasions with a couple of policemen - they had no fear of being tested.

P.P.S Slim, please call the cops and tell them I've admitted taking drugs to you, then come back and tell us what they said - I could do with a good laugh!

Originally posted by J-Blaze
From the 'losers' experience I'm sure they think in actual fact 'you' may be the 'loser.'

Define a loser? Someone in a professional position on a high salary who likes to party? Or those dirty rats u see on the street begging you for that 10pence?

As you don't take drugs yourself, it may be you have a very narrow social circle. You don't realise your banker, dentist, lawyer, milkman etc etc could all be taking as you put it 'hard drugs.' Yet they are not losers are they?

Just a thought.

I'm sorry J-Blaze I have to dispute what you are saying. I myself have first hand experience of what you are talking about. I ended up seeing a drugs counsellor for a year. I dabbled slightly after that. I then became totally clean. It took me at least 2 years to rid my body of the damage I had done. I suffered depression a year after stopping and various other problems. I now would not and do not touch anything. I don't drink either as I learnt the hard way.
I know it's all good fun and seems light hearted at the time, trust me. The facts are there though. I have seen too much in Nether edge hospital to think that even Marijuana is ok.

I can now appreciate a natural high and feel quite smug about this.

You know that this isn't total bull either as you can check what I am saying through your friends. One of your friends in particular will probably verify all this in respect of her father.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I love magic mushrooms.
Me and my friends had magic mushrooms last summer and we went and picked up litter in the woods. Its criminal, it really is.

Chris.

Originally posted by floyd77
P.S. Ive enjoyed a spliff on a few occasions with a couple of policemen - they had no fear of being tested.

Well keep that under your hat.

A police officer would lose their job if found to be using illegal drugs. In fact, even being in the company of people who are is a disciplinary offence.

Just because you know the exception to the rule it doesn't make it a rule.

here here floyd77 and andy78..

Bonny... what kind of drugs did you take?

Originally posted by Red 2
here here floyd77 and andy78..

Bonny... what kind of drugs did you take? well it wasn't just hash and speed. Although I have known of people who are sectioned just through smoking hash.

Were you a user or an abuser?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Were you a user or an abuser?

I'm not sure as to what term you would have used for me, as there would probably be a difference of perception. If you mean was I addicted to heroin, then no I wasn't. If you mean did drugs eventually make a negative impact on my life, then yes.

it's exactly what planero's saying though bonny.

i'm trying to be nice here but i imagine you got to the point where you abused drugs and let them abuse you...rather than just being a user.
if you get what i mean.

there is a difference.

No, I suppose what I meant was

- which drugs did you ingest? Since drugs are so different I find it a meaningless term.

and

-what were you reasons and methods of taking it -

a)did you use your drugs, but setting out your 'objectives' before taking a known amount in ideal surroundings, with help and support available and plenty of information about what you were taking?

b)were you necking as many different things as you could in a self destructive frenzy of getting as wrecked as possible?

Or did you fall somewhere in between, like most people, and if so where?I'm not sure as to what term you would have used for me, as there would probably be a difference of perception. If you mean was I addicted to heroin, then no I wasn't. If you mean did drugs eventually make a negative impact on my life, then yes.

Originally posted by Andy78


Sid I get the impression that your ideal club would be one, where no one drinks or take drugs, and is full of girls to oggle at?
Unfortunately, this is not the everyone's idea of a good time. hence why such clubs are rare.

You hit the naill right on the head there, although I'd like to get to know the girls rather than just oggle them as you put it.

I've decided not to post further on this topic so I'll just leave people with this thought: the world of drugs is a pretty sleazy one and at least some of the people who inhabit it are very dangerous and violent. I think a lot of young people are getting into something which is totally out of their depth and coming into contact with some very dangerous people indeed. It is not unknown for people to be killed in rivalry between drugs gangs.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
I've decided not to post further on this topic so I'll just leave people with this thought: the world of drugs is a pretty sleazy one and at least some of the people who inhabit it are very dangerous and violent. I think a lot of young people are getting into something which is totally out of their depth and coming into contact with some very dangerous people indeed. It is not unknown for people to be killed in rivalry between drugs gangs.
Oh give it a rest! Open your eyes and look at the bigger picture! 'Drugs' are not all like crack cocaine and heroin which seems to be confusing you. There's nothing wrong or particularly harmful in having a spliff with mates on the odd occasion. These people are not dangerous, nor are they liable to be killed in any form of gang warfare. And if they grow the drug themselves they don't even need to go anywhere near any drug dealers.

im glad there are some ppl with my views on this subject, mainly red2, phan, j, chris_sleeps. its like everything, you gotta be careful and take things in moderation, know your limits kinda thing. and as long as your not pushing ppl then its perfectly acceptable imo
mimi
xx

Slim - you say you care about your health i bet cheese does more damage than a spliff its certainly linked to 11 health problems

Originally posted by Sidla
Oh give it a rest! Open your eyes and look at the bigger picture! 'Drugs' are not all like crack cocaine and heroin which seems to be confusing you. There's nothing wrong or particularly harmful in having a spliff with mates on the odd occasion. These people are not dangerous, nor are they liable to be killed in any form of gang warfare. And if they grow the drug themselves they don't even need to go anywhere near any drug dealers.

I agree that drugs are not all alike, that is the reason for classifications.

I do think that you need to understand that some people are predisposed to reacting badly to certains toxins etc. Drug induced physcosis, which sometimes cannot be cured completely, can be very dangerous to the sufferer and others. You don't need to take large amounts of anything if your genetic make-up makes you vunerable to these toxins. So it's not just about drug wars being dangerous. I have had lighter fluid sprayed onto me and been seriously threatened after having my door broken into by someone who suffered this from a glass of Tequila. It was the most frightening experience of my life to look into that persons eyes. They had no sense of right or wrong.

Now to you this may sound like I was living in some drug den and associating with "druggies". This was not the case at all. I had no contact with drugs the person involved was someone very close to me and I was caring for at the time.

If you are predisposed, how can you tell until it is too late? I have known people to react this way through marijuana.

Maybe it is safe to dabble for short periods. I personally think that at some point problems will arise.. Marijuana is a depressant as is alcohol. So what is a safe limit?

Source: EXPATICA

27 October 2003

AMSTERDAM — Cannabis doubles the risk of schizophrenia and other psychiatric conditions, an expert at the Trimbos addiction institute has claimed.

The Institute's Harald Wychgel told current affairs programme Nova claimed that cannabis use leads to 200 additional cases of schizophrenia each year in the Netherlands. He said that about 400,000 young Dutch people regularly smoke cannabis and of these 400 fall victim to psychiatric difficulties or schizophrenia.

[zombienote: Schizophrenia affects a solid 1% of the human population. What percent of 400,000 is 400? Anyone?]

About half of young Dutch males come into contact with cannabis as do about 30 percent of young women. This group more frequently suffers from mental conditions due to daily cannabis use, Wychgel claimed.

Sorry to keep posting on this thread. I don't want to be thought of as some "I hate drug use of all kinds" type. It's just something I feel quite strongly about having been on both sides of the debate at various times.

I have friends who have taken illegal drugs of varying categories, and I believe that even "moderate" cannabis use has a bad effect on the brain.

Also, a lot of people use the argument "we should legalise cannabis because alcohol is bad too and that is legal". Well i don't consider that a valid reason for legalisation... America tried to ban alcohol early last century and it proved impossible. It is much harder to ban something like that that has been legal for generations, than it is to keep something illegal that is already illegal!

Originally posted by bonny
Source: EXPATICA

27 October 2003

AMSTERDAM ? Cannabis doubles the risk of schizophrenia and other psychiatric conditions, an expert at the Trimbos addiction institute has claimed.

The Institute's Harald Wychgel told current affairs programme Nova claimed that cannabis use leads to 200 additional cases of schizophrenia each year in the Netherlands. He said that about 400,000 young Dutch people regularly smoke cannabis and of these 400 fall victim to psychiatric difficulties or schizophrenia.

[zombienote: Schizophrenia affects a solid 1% of the human population. What percent of 400,000 is 400? Anyone?]

It is 0.1%

i.e a tenth of the world flat rate. Seems that cannabis may have a protective effect.

Having an older father also significantly increases the chances of developing schizophrenia in a male child.

Also up to 50% of men have some form of schizophrenic episode (sometimes very minor) during the years 16-25

Although other studies have done so, with slightly different results, Wychgel's study does not take into account the tendency for patients with mental illness to self medicate with cannabis, if they have picked up the habit.

Also no-one has mentioned that Schizophrenia is a syndrome not a disease, i.e a set of indicators, rather than a definite pathology (lots of theorise, sure) - so saying anything *is* schizophrenia is decidely dodgy, let alone speculating the on aetiology of it.

None of that changes the fact that even Marijuana increases the risk of mental illness, whatever label the illness is given.

You may want to argue the point that people with M.S. take marijuana to help their symptoms, and that doctors don't disagree with this. The reason for this is the same as the reason that terminally ill peple are given large doses of morphine. It helps make life more bearable as there isn't much more that can be done.

Originally posted by f_g
Slim - you say you care about your health i bet cheese does more damage than a spliff its certainly linked to 11 health problems

Yes, all that lovely smoke going into your lungs has to be healthier than a bit of cheese. :loopy:

Originally posted by bonny
You may want to argue the point that people with M.S. take marijuana to help their symptoms, and that doctors don't disagree with this. The reason for this is the same as the reason that terminally ill peple are given large doses of morphine. It helps make life more bearable as there isn't much more that can be done.

As you have already pointed out some people have averse reactions to drugs.

Equally, some people have very positive reactions to drugs.

Hence the one size fits all approach does not work.

I find that Psilocybin catalyses my thoughts in ways that are simply not attainable otherwise, with the same reliability and consistency. You may find that psilocybin precipitates in you a scizophrenic episode. Everyone varies.

The point being that with prohibition, none of these drugs are adequately researched, thus their biological effect in human subjects is largely unknown (except to the people that take them).

Also with prohibition, the manufacture and sale is totally unlicensed and uncontrolled and untaxed (which should please the tories - a free market).

If we are going to have prohibited drugs then at least prohibit them on the basis of an actual 'harm' index rather than the witless class A B and C system that we have with the MDA. A real assessment of addiction potential combined with a short and long term risk assessment would be more appropriate.

That would see Tobacco at the top, followed by barbiturates, opiates, CNS stimulants, Alcohol, benzodiazepenes, some phenthylamines (MDMA, MDE), cannabis, other phenethylamines (2CB, Mescaline), and finally tryptamines (lsd, psilocybin, dmt)

Originally posted by Chris_Sleeps
Drugs in moderate use hurt nobody.

Here you have hit the main problem - lets take an example alcohol. A nice simple chemical known to be beneficial in moderate amounts - thins the blood and helps emulsify fats - legal, cheap and readily available. However think now about the amount of damage it does to society in terms of alcholism, car crashes, fights, liver sclerosis etc. Despite the knowledge of these damaging side effects the culture of binge drinking and drinking to get drunk doesnt seem to be abating.

If people can't use alcohol in moderation why should anyone expect them to use other drugs in moderation?

Thank you!
I am so pleased there has been intelligent info in this thread..phanerothyme, evildr, and others, counteracting great insecurity from some of the originators of the debate. I found the comments about keeping drug culture out of night clubs due to it's negative impact on sustaining the correct environment for meeting 'nice women' particularly objectionable but fascinating!!!

Originally posted by slimsid2000
No of course I don't take (illegal) drugs. Most people don't. Perhaps I don't move in the right (or should that be wrong) circles but I don't know anyone that does. I wasn't brought up that way.

????
i wasn't bought up that way either. however i don't think that has anything to do with it. my parents didnt take illegal drugs and never have done, i do but that has nothing to do with my parents.

:confused:

For all those who have answered yes to this, how did you start?

Not that I want to, I'm just interested how people take that first step, and where the drugs come from, excuse my ignorance.

Originally posted by evildrneil
If people can't use alcohol in moderation why should anyone expect them to use other drugs in moderation?


If marijuana is made legal, then it is showing the Government has sone degree of trust in people. The penalty for breaking that trust should be severe.

In fact, the penalty for drink driving should be more severe, as should all drinking related crimes. This would make people think twice - I mean, would you speed if the death penalty was introduced for all speeders?

Susie, who started at a party, to answer the randomly named zxczxc

Originally posted by zxczxc
For all those who have answered yes to this, how did you start?

Not that I want to, I'm just interested how people take that first step, and where the drugs come from, excuse my ignorance.

My first altered state was sniffing ether at school.

That was an eye opener.

probably smoking pot with friends when i was 16 or so, and taking the odd acid. i don't really do either anymore though. think my mind is still in a reasonable state too.

Originally posted by zxczxc
For all those who have answered yes to this, how did you start?

Not that I want to, I'm just interested how people take that first step, and where the drugs come from, excuse my ignorance.
You make it sound like a regular thing. I never 'started' taking illegal drugs (more specifically smoking weed) because it's not something I regularly do. If you want to know when I first tried weed then it was in my first year at uni, one of my flatmates was smoking it and offered me a puff, so I thought what the hell.

Originally posted by SusieP
If marijuana is made legal, then it is showing the Government has sone degree of trust in people. The penalty for breaking that trust should be severe.

In fact, the penalty for drink driving should be more severe, as should all drinking related crimes. This would make people think twice - I mean, would you speed if the death penalty was introduced for all speeders?

Susie, who started at a party, to answer the randomly named zxczxc

But the death penalty by no means is a deterent. If anything crime is more prevelant in states where the death penalty is a means of punishment.

Do you have any direct comparison of the crime rates between America and England, where the punishment in America is the death penalty?


Susie

Murder rates are certainly higher in the States than in the UK - though I'm not sure on a state by state breakdown as not all states have the death penalty. Also you have to remember the general proviso of their are lies, damn lies and statistics!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/153988.stm

Though I have to say that if the death penalty was an effective deterent it would never be used!

I started at smoking weed at a party at first year of uni but its never been a regular thing, and in fact I dont really do it anymore.

http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/texas/texas.html

Texas has the has one of the largest death row populations and the highest amount of crime.

As I've said before though (I think), if you're not afraid to kill another human being, then it's unlikely that you'll fear your own death.

Originally posted by bonny
http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/texas/texas.html

Texas has the has one of the largest death row populations and the highest amount of crime.

Perhaps the primary reason for people supporting the death penalty is that they think it's appropriate.

Originally posted by Sidla
As I've said before though (I think), if you're not afraid to kill another human being, then it's unlikely that you'll fear your own death.

http://www.justicedenied.org/executed.htm

But sometimes people kill out of self defense as in the first Eileen Wournos case. Also taking into account these peoples state of mind a lot of the time, surely some sort of long term help would be better. What does the death penalty teach? that it's ok to kill??

Anyway we are going of the subject

We've had similar discussions to all this before in the legalise cannabis thread, coffee shops thread etc etc which I got heavily involved with so I'm not going to repeat myself again.

What I want to bring up is the fact that some people on here keep objecting to 'illegal' drugs. How about objecting to some 'legal' drugs, which I most certainly do. Certain recreational drugs which are class A, B or C, and obviously, if class A can carry big penalties if caught, are in my opinion (but also in fact) less harmful to you than drugs that are prescribed to you by your good old doctor.

e.g. There are types of drugs for pain, which are extremely addictive and cause people to turn to violence, lie, steal and cheat to get prescribed more. Whereas, cannabis is very effective in pain relief and doesn't cause physiological addiction or the bad side effects in the CNS.
Certain, antidepressants and tranquilisers prescribed and perfectly legal cause much more damage in side effects, cause addition, dependancy and totally **** people up, but because a doctor prescribed it, it must be ok!! *sarcastic* yeah right!
This angers me, GPs anger me, I have, and sure some of you have, been in a situation were you've felt down/depressed/anxious and your GP has offered you drugs straight away. It's a slippery slope, your not even clinically depressed, you just need to talk to someone. I refuse such drugs but lets not forget, these are legal.

I've said it before, I'll say it again....Legalise all drugs

I don't believe in the legalise all drugs policy because, as evildrneil said, people cannot take responsibility for themselves. I definitely think that doctors should be a lot more careful about prescribing anti-depressants though. Counseling would be a much better option.

You can't just assume 'people can't take responsibility for themselves'

If they are grown adults, and recognised as such by the state, than they can take responsibility. Saying that they can't is rather patronising.

I may not have phrased my post very well - what I was trying to say was that a lot of the posts have compared moderate drug use with excessive alcohol use, which isn't a fair comparison. Moderate drug use of many kinds (caffiene, alcohol, canaboids) is fairly harmless, however as can be seen on any Friday/Saterday night alcohol is not used in moderation by a lot of people so why is there any reason to assume that other drugs would be used in moderation?

My own position on drug legilisation runs along the lines that a legal supply of drugs would have some good social effects - removing unclean sources on the streets and effectively putting drug traffickers out of business. However there are also fairly obvious negative effects from the over-use of any drugs. Perhaps we could legaise drugs but when you go buy them you have to sign a release basically saying that you take responsibility for what you are doing and if you ***** yourself up then its up to you to clean up after yourself. Draconian and possibly unworkable in the real world but at the moment its the best approach I can think off - as I've said before I'm not a social scientist!

Originally posted by Foxxx
I've said it before, I'll say it again....Legalise all drugs

I don't disagree with what you were saying about doctors. I myself do not take medication of any sort. That does not mean to say that if my life depended on it I wouldn't.

What I don't understand is why you would want to legalise all drugs having the opinions you do about prescribed drugs.

Originally posted by bonny
I don't disagree with what you were saying about doctors. I myself do not take medication of any sort. That does not mean to say that if my life depended on it I wouldn't.

What I don't understand is why you would want to legalise all drugs having the opinions you do about prescribed drugs.

I was merely using prescribed legal drugs as an example, because there are ignorant people on here who harp on about illegal drugs being illegal and bad, so I pointed out that there are legal drugs that are far worse than some illegal drugs. I'm trying to establish if these people disagree with recreational drugs because they are illegal or because they think they are bad for you and would still disagree with them if legalised. If it's because they think illegal drugs are bad for you then they're obviously ill informed and should in theory be campaigning for certain prescribed drugs to be made illegal.

My problem with doctors giving prescription drugs to Joe Public is that Joe Public assumes they must be OK because the doctor gave them to them. A lot of people do not question this. There is a huge number of people in the UK and worldwide reliant on e.g. prozac or similar when they didn't need it in the first place. The GP will prescribe it to get them out the surgery as they are busy. I think this is very wrong, it's abusing their power and trust.

However recreational drugs are usually taken through personal choice. I've already typed out my reasons for legalising all drugs in other threads, and I don't have time to repeat myself again.

In fact I was going to put a link to my posts on this, however the thread was removed and never put back....which is REALLY annoying!
Maybe when I have time I'll come back to this, or maybe I'll contact the mods and ask they put it back.

Originally posted by Foxxx
In fact I was going to put a link to my posts on this, however the thread was removed and never put back....which is REALLY annoying!
Maybe when I have time I'll come back to this, or maybe I'll contact the mods and ask they put it back.

Do you mean this one:

Should Cannabis be made legal (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=701)

Originally posted by max
Do you mean this one:

Should Cannabis be made legal (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=701)

No, it was a thread about banning smoking, something like that. Not the one on banning smoking in public places which is still on here.

I reported something to the mods and it got temporaily hidden but I don't think it ever got put back!

Thanks anyway

Originally posted by evildrneil
Perhaps we could legaise drugs but when you go buy them you have to sign a release basically saying that you take responsibility for what you are doing and if you ***** yourself up then its up to you to clean up after yourself. Draconian and possibly unworkable in the real world but at the moment its the best approach I can think off - as I've said before I'm not a social scientist!

What a fantastic idea... I'd vote for that for alcohol too!! Inspired.

Originally posted by oxbeast
You can't just assume 'people can't take responsibility for themselves'

If they are grown adults, and recognised as such by the state, than they can take responsibility. Saying that they can't is rather patronising.
I wasn't assuming that everyone can't take responsibility for themselves, I was saying there are some people who can't. I don't think it's patronising, being adult doesn't necessarily mean that you can automatically be responsible.

...However, some things are beyond the pale and I believe drugs are one of them.

Ok, you've wound me up with this one.

As far as I can tell, your argument goes: its ok for us to grow a plant, ferment it and then get high by drinking it. Yeah? But its "beyond the pale" to grow a plant then get high by smoking it (whereas smoking a plant that does nothing but slowly kill you is fine), and I guess its even worse to pick a mushroom from a field and eat that? What about chewing the leaves of a plant?

The problem is in the definition. What do you define a "drug" as??? How do you class Valium? Temazepam? They get you high. I guess you'd say Morphine is ok but Diamorphine isnt? (Despite them being part of the same family of chemicals and having similar structures and properties). Is it the legality that's the only issue? In that case what about the salvinorins? A family of chemicals present in some species on mint (esp Salvia divinorin) that are among the most powerful hallucinogens known to man! Is smoking salvia inherently wrong, despite being completely legal?

Look at the history of humankind and you'll see that every culture or society ever* has had some means of attaining an altered state of perception. For our culture its alcohol, in south America it was the Peyote cactus and the cocoa plant, in the east it was the smoking or eating of cannabis... the list goes on.

I'll get to the point (thank the gods!!)... Arbitrary lines have been drawn by the powers that be that tell you that some substances are acceptable and others arent. Then they pump this information into your head from a very early age in a very unbalanced way so that any arguement to the contrary is disregarded and anyone who doesnt tow the party line is a "loser". All this despite the fact that taking drugs is part of human nature. Does it not strike you as being a little odd???

Anyway, I'll shut up now...


*I might exaggerate - I was once told the aboriginies (sp?) are the only known exception, but cant verify this... Anyone?

woah, talk about flogging a dead horse! this thread is old skool! i notice from your reg date that you only just joined us.. did you just come on to search for threads about drugs and stick your ore in? lol..

please, for the love of god, don't drag up any more of sid's threads.. we have a bad enough time with his current ones!

Originally posted by slimsid2000
No of course I don't take (illegal) drugs. Most people don't. Perhaps I don't move in the right (or should that be wrong) circles but I don't know anyone that does. I wasn't brought up that way.

At the risk of stating the obvious, it is a crime in this country to take drugs, and a pretty serious one at that. I get the impression that some people think it is no big deal; which I think is pretty shameful.

What is also shameful is if (as some people say) the police have effectively given up on fighting crime - at least drug crime anyway. i am so sorry
i just had a vision of one of "the chaps" talking from " five go hiking" etc,any one who remembers these books ( the famous 5 ) will know what i mean.....sorry

Originally posted by dirtybobby
woah, talk about flogging a dead horse! this thread is old skool! i notice from your reg date that you only just joined us.. did you just come on to search for threads about drugs and stick your ore in? lol..

please, for the love of god, don't drag up any more of sid's threads.. we have a bad enough time with his current ones!

lol. Fair point. Sid seems to be making a name for himself outside of the forum and all...

I got sent an email from a mate with his opening gambit from this thread. One of those "check this guy out" jobbies. Got reading it, and completly failed to not get wound up, then had to stick my oar in...

Deleted coz I just realised how old this thread is.