Could anyone tell me why sheffield has two prof teams?
What makes a fan support w/day rather than united?
Is it cos Dad did, Post code, class etc?

No turning this thread into a war of words :thumbsup:

My dad was a blade and I am but I dont really think that is the reason as his dad was an owl!

My brother is also an owl :( I cant believe I just admitted to havin one in my family!!!

He started supporting wedneday because his friends did and we live at hillsborough, I lived in hillsborough all my life but still support united! :huh:

As Frank Skinner once said, there's only one criteria to use when deciding which football team to supprt: get a map and a ruler, and measure the distance from your place of birth to the nearest football ground.

I lived close to the "Lane" as a child and my Dad supported United. The kicker however was that Jimmy Hagan played for them at that time.

all my family for generations have been Wednesday, so me too. I'm glad I didn't stray to the dark side. Years gone by I think it used to be more or less which you were born nearest to. There is still evidence of this, the north is mainly Owls and the south Blades. :)

Family for me, all my family are Owls and i bleed blue too. My kids will also be Owls and the missus knows any hint of red/white could result in divorce. :thumbsup: (I'm not joking BTW :D)

As my mate Eddie whos 84 and a season ticket holder at the lane said His wife (shes dead )said to him once you love Sheffield United more than me to which he replied Sheffield United I love Sheffield Bleeding Wednesday more than i love thee. I think that sums it up

Mate of mine Mick O Malley a big swfc fan had been living with his girlfriend for many years.She told him it was either her or the owls , mick replied"ill pick me records up sunday, were away".:thumbsup:

I grew up a stone's throw from Hillsborough... the only reason we lived at Hillsborough was because mi dad wanted to be near the ground... he took me to my first match when i was 3.... Bought me my first season ticket when i was 13 and ive had one ever since... Ive been A Young owl-Ball boy...all my family are belong to the Blue n white side of sheffield..... Its true.. I was Born on a wednesday!!!
why do we/sheffield have 2 teams?? cos were big enough to support 2 teams!

I grew up a stone's throw from Hillsborough... the only reason we lived at Hillsborough was because mi dad wanted to be near the ground... he took me to my first match when i was 3.... Bought me my first season ticket when i was 13 and ive had one ever since... all my family are belong to the Blue n white side of sheffield..... Its true.. I was Born on a wednesday!!!
why do we/sheffield have 2 teams?? cos were big enough to support 2 teams!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Listen it can get worse, my dad took me along to sheff U as a kid and I've been a lifelong fan, even a ball boy for them for a time but never good enough to play.
This is it, my sister supports Man U :-(

Mate of mine Mick O Malley a big swfc fan had been living with his girlfriend for many years.She told him it was either her or the owls , mick replied"ill pick me records up sunday, were away".:thumbsup:I know Mick. Nice lad :)

Family for me, lived closer to millmoor as a kid but never even considered supporting them as i was blue and white for as long as i remember.
We have two teams because sheffield is a big city, look most other big cities (apart from Leeds and maybe Newcastle) they have two or more teams.

My dad was a blade and so am i!!!

MY kids will be blades (altho the g/f thinks they can support blackburn too-thats not happening!) and there kids will be blades!

I lived close to the "Lane" as a child and my Dad supported United. The kicker however was that Jimmy Hagan played for them at that time.
And Jimmy had a sports shop on London Road!

i like the colours red and white :D

i like the colours red and white :D


When they mix they make pink which is robbies FAVOURITE colour!

:hihi: :hihi:

i wanted to support a decent team so became an Owl.
actually i was taken to see wednesday @ a young age,worked in that neck of the woods for years, through the really bad second divison years.
daughter devleoped into an Owl supporter as well.

all the rest of family are blades & i mean everyone,sorry except the aunt who took me to my first match @ hillsborough.

The very first match I ever attended was at the Lane - now theres an admission:D - but there was never much chance of me supporting the blades.My dad's a Wednesday fan, as was his dad before him, and we've always lived within walking distance of Hillsborough...

Could anyone tell me why sheffield has two prof teams?
What makes a fan support w/day rather than united?
Is it cos Dad did, Post code, class etc?

No turning this thread into a war of words :thumbsup:

if i remember correctly - wednesday were made up of shopkeepers etc who could only play on a wednesday . they couldnt therefore play for the dark side.

allegedly.
there is some dispute as to the introduction of the blades,it was alleged it was related to the cutlery,little mesters & even the hamlet (scythes etc)

When they mix they make pink which is robbies FAVOURITE colour!

:hihi: :hihi:

im only trying to be like you :love:

i was born in Hillsborough,all my family are Wednesdayites and I'm used to the finer things in life.The hole in the road was my city boundary and if i had to go beyond it it didn't feel like Sheffield to me.
The reason there is 2 clubs is because Wednesday need a reserve side.

So the reserve side is playing in the premiership next year, and the first team just scraped survival in the championship for one more season?

So the reserve side is playing in the premiership next year, and the first team just scraped survival in the championship for one more season until they too are promoted next year?

Yep :D


:hihi:

So the reserve side is playing in the premiership next year, and the first team just scraped survival in the championship for one more season?
It was a joke.

I wasn't meaning that United was our reserves.It was that they don't exist.

i was born in Hillsborough,all my family are Wednesdayites and I'm used to the finer things in life.The hole in the road was my city boundary and if i had to go beyond it it didn't feel like Sheffield to me.
The reason there is 2 clubs is because Wednesday need a reserve side.

the best team in yorkshire has 2 reserve sides.......

[QUOTE=davyboy]Could anyone tell me why sheffield has two prof teams?


3 teams if you include sheffield fc.


ps- if sheffield fc are the worlds oldest club then why is it they are where they are without a fanbase?

sorry, had a bit to drink tonight & just realised it says two professional teams.

my mistake

So that there is an opportunity to follow a team that Canadablade doesn't support.

I know that Sheffield United was formed as a way to get money into Bramall Lane as the crowds from the cricket season alone weren't enough to pay the bills. They therefore needed a winter sport to keep money coming in throughout the year and football was chosen.

So that there is an opportunity to follow a team that Canadablade doesn't support.

Yep Sheffield CREWEdnesday ..LOL

Yep Sheffield CREWEdnesday ..LOL

As United have three ex Wednesday players on their books your daft logic would suggest a change of name to say, Sheffield Wednited?

Sheffield Wednited????

So would that have been the New teams Name if ? ? :loopy:
Both teams merge.....

Dear canadablade sir....? Quote:
"Premiership WERE having a laugh"....... Dont start braggin until you have earned the right .....:rolleyes:

Sheffield Wednited????

So would that have been the New teams Name if ? ? :loopy:
Both teams merge.....

Dear canadablade sir....? Quote:
"Premiership WERE having a laugh"....... Dont start braggin until you have earned the right .....:rolleyes:

If the teams merged and God forbid they ever did I would think they would drop both United and Wendy and the new team would be called SHEFFIELD CITY :thumbsup:

Dear mad owl sir ... ?
Not bragging m8 , But we did earn the right to be in the Premiership when we finished 2nd after 46 games and didnt lots of teams sing to the Blades fans " PREMIERSHIP YOUR HAVING A LAUGH" ? Thats why i have that signature ;)
It might only be for one year but, what a fun year its going to be my wise friend :thumbsup:
Got the wife convinced that a European holiday should include a saturday in Sunny Sheffield :P

Regards CB
UP THE BLADES

If the teams merged and God forbid they ever did I would think they would drop both United and Wendy and the new team would be called SHEFFIELD CITY :thumbsup:

Dear mad owl sir ... ?
Not bragging m8 , But we did earn the right to be in the Premiership when we finished 2nd after 46 games and didnt lots of teams sing to the Blades fans " PREMIERSHIP YOUR HAVING A LAUGH" ? Thats why i have that signature ;)
It might only be for one year but, what a fun year its going to be my wise friend :thumbsup:
Got the wife convinced that a European holiday should include a saturday in Sunny Sheffield :P
Regards CB
UP THE BLADES

You should be able to get in on the day as sell outs will never happen, even in the Premier League.

CanadaBlade, you should save your humour for people who can recognize it. Don't forget that Owls supporters haven't had a lot to laugh about lately and their humour factor is quite low.
UTB
P.S Stay away from the Hillsborough area during your vacation, seems to be a permanent black cloud parked there.

i was born in Hillsborough,all my family are Wednesdayites and I'm used to the finer things in life.The hole in the road was my city boundary and if i had to go beyond it it didn't feel like Sheffield to me.
The reason there is 2 clubs is because Wednesday need a reserve side.


I think you have got that the wrong way round, Wednesday are the reserve side, just look at how many ex- Wednesday players have moved to the red and white half of the city. :thumbsup:

Family for me, all my family are Owls and i bleed blue too. My kids will also be Owls and the missus knows any hint of red/white could result in divorce. :thumbsup: (I'm not joking BTW :D)

No bacon on a Sunday morning then?

it only has one -the blunts just pretend to be

been an owl since 1963,lived on shirecliffe and my dad was a wednesdayite,once got my arse tanned for going to watch swansea town in the fa cup at the lane....my brother though picked the blades what is it with younger siblings going against the grain...wife and daughter are season ticket holders and my youngest brother takes his three lads along with my sisters two to hillsborough when they can afford it...bloody prices....that's what makes this city so special having two football teams...just think if we were like leeds eveybody in the country would hate us.....

Well I'm a Blade probably because my dad is, and his dad before him. My grandparents on my mum's side are Wednesday as they used to live at that end when they were growing up.

But my first ever match was United and, living in the southern half of the city, I'm closest to the Lane, so they're the factors as to why I am a Blade, I reckon anyway.

And Jimmy had a sports shop on London Road!

He was in partnership with Harold Brook, I got my first cricket bat there and Jimmy served me. He asked me who my favourite footballer was and I answered Derek Dooley, I can still hear him laughing. :hihi:

Everyone in my family supports Wednesday, even though most of us live at the opposite end of Sheffield.

Everyone in my family supports Wednesday, even though most of us live at the opposite end of Sheffield.

your familly get togethers must be like "one flew over the cuckoo's nest".

Could anyone tell me why sheffield has two prof teams?
What makes a fan support w/day rather than united?
Is it cos Dad did, Post code, class etc?

No turning this thread into a war of words :thumbsup:

In answer to your first question both teams started as armature clubs and were formed to keep the Cricket Clubs together in winter and also provide a source of extra income. When the cricket and football clubs split professionalism was inevitable. Under the Sheffield and Hallamshire rules professionalism was not allowed.

However many players were rebelling and threatened to form their own club called Sheffield Rovers in fact many had already played for a club called the Zulus who were raising money for soldiers and their families injured in the Zulu wars (things don't change much do they?)

This threat of starting a separate professional club forced Wednesday to turn professional in April 1887. United weren't formed until 1889 so I imagine they employed professionals at their formation.

Wiki quote:
"The creep of professionalism began in 1876 when Wednesday brought down James Lang from Glasgow. He was officially hired by the club but received a job with no formal duties from one of the members of the club board. The association subsequently had to deal with open professionalism when members of The Zulus received payment for matches. A number of players were banned, so many in fact that it led to the abandonment of the 1882 Sheffield Challenge Cup final. In 1885, professionalism was made legal but the Sheffield Association, led by Charles Clegg and William Pierce-Dix remained firm opponents of professionalism in football."

In answer to your last question in the 50s and 60s I believe there was less rivalry between supporters for instance my dad and his mates as well as thousands of others used to go to both grounds on alternative Saturdays (those who are still living do).

The bitter rivalry which is portrayed and cultivated by the media is a poor stab at making Sheffield seem like Glasgow Ranger and Celtic which is divided along religious grounds and not football.

I believe that the rivalry which the media is trying to stir up doesn't help either club, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rivalry but when it becomes a bitter hatred then it tarnishes the proud history of Sheffield Football.

In answer to your first question both teams started as armature clubs and were formed to keep the Cricket Clubs together in winter and also provide a source of extra income. Where the cricket and football clubs split professionalism was inevitable. Under the Sheffield and Hallamshire rules professionalism was not allowed.

However many players were rebelling and threatened to form their own club called Sheffield Rovers in fact many had already played for a club called the Zulus who were raising money for soldiers and their families injured in the Zulu wars (thing don't change much do they?)

This threat of starting a separate professional club forced Wednesday to turn professional in April 1887. United weren't formed until 1989 so I imagine they employed professionals at their formation.

Wiki quote:
"The creep of professionalism began in 1876 when Wednesday brought down James Lang from Glasgow. He was officially hired by the club but received a job with no formal duties from one of the members of the club board. The association subsequently had to deal with open professionalism when members of The Zulus received payment for matches. A number of players were banned, so many in fact that it led to the abandonment of the 1882 Sheffield Challenge Cup final. In 1885, professionalism was made legal but the Sheffield Association, led by Charles Clegg and William Pierce-Dix remained firm opponents of professionalism in football."

In answer to your last question in the 50s and 60s I believe there was less rivalry between supporters for instance my dad and his mates as well as thousands of others used to go to both grounds on alternative Saturdays (those who are still living do).

The bitter rivalry which is portrayed and cultivated by the media is a poor stab at making Sheffield seem like Glasgow Ranger and Celtic which is divided along religious grounds and not football.

I believe that the rivalry which the media is trying to stir up doesn't help either club, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rivalry but when it becomes a bitter hatred then it tarnishes the proud history of Sheffield Football.

think you mean united formed in 1889 . just a missprint .

Soz. Yes 1889

in the words of run DMC- "its like that, cos thats the way it is"

in the words of run DMC- "its like that, cos thats the way it is"

Well that's that then...pointless asking the quesiton in the first place:hihi:

my old man said be a wednesday fan , i said..............f.o.b.s.c ..all the blades on here will know the song up the blades cum on !!!!!!!

being a blade is !!!! well you have to be a blade to know what it means but in all honesty my dad bless him was an owl and he took me to see them in the late sixties did nothing for me then me uncle , a blade took me to buitifull down town bramall lane now that was special loved him for that loved me dad to but when it came to footie talk i always sided wi me uncle mi dad wernt to pleased but he got used to it bless him

i just asked my friend in junior school who he supported, thats how i ended up supporting wednesday. my mum is a wednesday fan though so it was a good shout by my mate. my dad cant stand football so never ended up playing in any teams, my younger brother supports wednesday and can play football better than me:rant:, older brother is an owl when they have somehting to shout about, so once in a blue moon:roll:
we have 2 teams because all great citys have 2 teams, thats what separates us from the likes of leeds:D

Reasons why i became a Wednesday fan is the first memory of my dad going to Wembley for the 1966 F.A. Cup final i would be about 6 and thought they must be a good side to play at Wembley so i became a fan, first game F.A. Cup v Plymouth we won 3-0 in 1968ish. Had a season ticket for the last 15 years and before that on and off

As someone has said Sheffield is big enough to have two teams with good support

Really wouldn't want it any other way.
As long as they're both relativity healthy.
God bless Sheffield football. :thumbsup:

As my dad's not from up here, and I had no allegiance, I wasn't bothered about either Sheffield team in the 70s and early 80s, as, let's face it, they were pretty rubbish!

My best mate is a blade, and we went to see the England under 21s against Turkey around '87 at the lane... at the time, United were still pretty rubbish, but Owls were up there in the top flight, and all of the Owls fans at school were just so up themselves, you'd think they were Man United the way they went on! The blades fans there I knew just seemed more realistic and down to earth...

So I sided with the underdogs at the time, United... and started going regularly just in time for the start of Dave Bassett's era, and never looked back since! Since then, I converted my folks to the blades, and we're all long term season ticket holders now :)

my old man never really bothered following either side. by all accounts he was a pretty decent player. captain of the R A F side he was in during national service. then captain of several local pub sides in sheffield including one derek dooley played in before he made it big. i started following united when i was 10 and a pupil of burngreave school back in 1970. we used to play football at play time united v wendy. it used to be about 40 v 4 in uniteds favour so half of us had to play for wendy to even it out.

saturday home games we all used to meet at the abc cinema in the morning for the minors club then straight to the lane pretending we were all flash gordon as we walked down the moor towards the ground. used to get in ground at 1.00 to take our place on the kop ready to greet currie and the boys. back in those days it was very rare we came out disapointed. even when we lost we'd be talking about something currie had done. great great days.

Mate of mine Mick O Malley a big swfc fan had been living with his girlfriend for many years.She told him it was either her or the owls , mick replied"ill pick me records up sunday, were away".:thumbsup:

Bust a rib wi that one .WHAT ABOUT THAT DEBT YOU OWE:D

[QUOTE=canadablade;1225128]If the teams merged and God forbid they ever did I would think they would drop both United and Wendy and the new team would be called SHEFFIELD CITY :thumbsup:

I'm sure there is a Sheffield City that still plays in the midland league. Their home ground is in Tinsley and their shirts were light bue and whites stripes.

my old man never really bothered following either side. by all accounts he was a pretty decent player. captain of the R A F side he was in during national service. then captain of several local pub sides in sheffield including one derek dooley played in before he made it big. i started following united when i was 10 and a pupil of burngreave school back in 1970. we used to play football at play time united v wendy. it used to be about 40 v 4 in uniteds favour so half of us had to play for wendy to even it out.

saturday home games we all used to meet at the abc cinema in the morning for the minors club then straight to the lane pretending we were all flash gordon as we walked down the moor towards the ground. used to get in ground at 1.00 to take our place on the kop ready to greet currie and the boys. back in those days it was very rare we came out disapointed. even when we lost we'd be talking about something currie had done. great great days.

well flash i'll pick thee up 1.00ish then its off to saturday matanee at the crown for a few earn sherberts :roll::roll:

my old man said be a wednesday fan , i said..............f.o.b.s.c ..all the blades on here will know the song up the blades cum on !!!!!!!

Yeah, obviously, cos that song is unique to the blunts!!

Yeah, obviously, cos that song is unique to the blunts!!

Yeah Frank the blades nicked most of their songs from Wednesday.
Looked on Owlstalk the other week at list of old Wednesday songs.
One of them was,
"and that is Hillsboro kop, where it is magnifique
where all unitedites lay dead at our feet"
We nicked it and sang
"And that is Shoreham Street where it is magnifique where all the Wednesdayites lay dead at our feet.
Made it ryhme like, get the idea?

Yeah Frank the blades nicked most of their songs from Wednesday.
Looked on Owlstalk the other week at list of old Wednesday songs.
One of them was,
"and that is Hillsboro kop, where it is magnifique
where all unitedites lay dead at our feet"
We nicked it and sang
"And that is Shoreham Street where it is magnifique where all the Wednesdayites lay dead at our feet.
Made it ryhme like, get the idea?

Each club says each other nicked there songs off them no-one will ever be proved right/wrong.

Each club says each other nicked there songs off them no-one will ever be proved right/wrong.
I think that little ditty proves who's song it was.

Sorry if im being daft but how does it prove that?

Sorry if im being daft but how does it prove that?
The clue is in the rhyme.

The clue is in the rhyme.

Magnifique does rhyme with feet.

Yeah Frank the blades nicked most of their songs from Wednesday.
Looked on Owlstalk the other week at list of old Wednesday songs.
One of them was,
"and that is Hillsboro kop, where it is magnifique
where all unitedites lay dead at our feet"
We nicked it and sang
"And that is Shoreham Street where it is magnifique where all the Wednesdayites lay dead at our feet.
Made it ryhme like, get the idea?

Pathebaldelde posted (in reference to 'My old man......etc.') 'all the blades on here will know the song'.

My response was that every team knows that song as everyone has adopted it for their team. It isn't unique to the blunts, they didn't invent it and you don't have to be a blunt to understand it.

Or are you claiming it is only a blunts song?

You can have the 'Greasy chip on our shoulders song'.

And the songs you sing in your car park when you protest.

Oh, and you can have Brian 'moss chops' Blunt's droaning rambles on Praise or Grumble.

But that's all.

Magnifique does rhyme with feet.

It rhymes with kop then?

It rhymes with kop then?

Right.

I get you.

It's a 4 line song where all lines rhyme.

So:

And that is Hillsborough Kop
Where it is magnifique
where all the unitedites
lay dead at our feet

I see what you mean, lines 1 and 3 don't rhyme with 2 and 4.

It should be:

And that is Shoreham Street
where it is magnifique
where all the Wednesdayites
lay dead at our feet

Because now all the lines rhyme.

What? Line 3 doesn't rhyme? That can't be true!?! That just makes a mockery of you!

DAMN IT!!!!! IT'S SO WRONG!!!!! BLAME UNSWORTH!!!! BLAME BROOKING!!! IT'S THE FA!!!!

DAMN IT!!!!! IT'S SO WRONG!!!!! BLAME UNSWORTH!!!! BLAME BROOKING!!! IT'S THE FA!!!!

haahaa- brilliant :D D

Right.

I get you.

It's a 4 line song where all lines rhyme.

So:

And that is Hillsborough Kop
Where it is magnifique
where all the unitedites
lay dead at our feet

I see what you mean, lines 1 and 3 don't rhyme with 2 and 4.

It should be:

And that is Shoreham Street
where it is magnifique
where all the Wednesdayites
lay dead at our feet

Because now all the lines rhyme.

What? Line 3 doesn't rhyme? That can't be true!?! That just makes a mockery of you!

DAMN IT!!!!! IT'S SO WRONG!!!!! BLAME UNSWORTH!!!! BLAME BROOKING!!! IT'S THE FA!!!!

Quick edit there lad, nearly had ya.
It's a wednesday song int it? we nicked it and made it nearly rhyme.
Like that other one we swiped off you.
You must remember when you beat us on Boxing day and because you did you sang
'We will fight forevermore because of boxing day'
Thats rather relevant to us getting beat we thought,
so we nicked that one as well.

There is a downside to pinching Wednesday songs though
and it can back-fire on you.
I once started singing that der-der-der-der (that go's on for half an hour) song
with Wens-dee at the end on the kop at the Lane. I changed the Wens-dee bit to United
but somebody embeded an hatchet in my head, i never sang that song again i can tell you.

Quick edit there lad, nearly had ya.
It's a wednesday song int it? we nicked it and made it nearly rhyme.


I don't know what it's origins are.

What I do know is that (to my knowledge) you don't hear that song at Hillsborough anymore.

We've moved on a bit. We're passed Magnet and snuff etc.

There is a downside to pinching Wednesday songs though
and it can back-fire on you.
I once started singing that der-der-der-der (that go's on for half an hour) song
with Wens-dee at the end on the kop at the Lane. I changed the Wens-dee bit to United
but somebody embeded an hatchet in my head, i never sang that song again i can tell you.

I believe you.




(about the hatchet).

I believe you.




(about the hatchet).
Why would i lie?
If you want to talk about songs and not car parks and praise and grumble I'll happily rabbit all day.
Come on then tell me an original Wednesday song thats any good?

If you wish to discuss the origins of football songs, can you please open a thread and do so rather than taking this off topic.

THANKS

Well i'm new to this forum and Frank started replying about songs, with 8 million posts to his name he should maybe know better.
Surley discussing the two Sheffield teams includes banter about songs?

well flash i'll pick thee up 1.00ish then its off to saturday matanee at the crown for a few earn sherberts :roll::roll:

got tkts today pal. got my wendy tkts too front row (well row d 1st 3 closed off) lane end upper. see you at 1.

got tkts today pal. got my wendy tkts too front row (well row d 1st 3 closed off) lane end upper. see you at 1.
Arze it gooin Doley me old smidgeon of dust?, thought i'd come here to join the banter but you don't need any help winding the Wednesdayites up.
My work on here is done.

Well i'm new to this forum and Frank started replying about songs, with 8 million posts to his name he should maybe know better.

My apologies if it sounded abrupt.

Surley discussing the two Sheffield teams includes banter about songs?

The original posting were about why Sheffield has two professional teams... for me that doesn't go on to who invented songs - or perhaps I'm being naive.....?

Anyways, by all means start a thread about songs.