a while back my son was attacked by three youths outside is school simply because he was on is own. i went up 2 the school and was basically fobed of by the head master who told me he would speak 2 the lads parents. they were suspended 4 a week and then let back 2 school apparently joking about it. unknown 2 me my son and 2 of his pals confronted these lads outside school and gave them a good hiding, me and his mom only finding out of a friend of one of the lads. i coudnt help but think justice had been done but my main point is why are schools so blasay about this ; any attack in generall is assault in schools its bullying, wots going on

'Two wrongs don't make a right'

On a related note: http://www.itv.com/news/926665.html

three lads on 2 one isnt right either, iwasnt being ignorant about what my son did but when the system the kids are put in fails them what do they do. just a further point as a young lad growing up on attercliffe in the early 70s there were quite a lot of kids who were draggedup for a better word, alot of kids were picked on but i remember my dad saying "if so and so picks on u give him a whack and hel leave u alone" 2 be honest this worked because u stood up 2 them and they moved on 2 the next poor soul. then what happened was if they didnt stand up 2 them they carried on bullying and steeling of these kids. ithink the main point im making is if u show weekness 2 these p..... then they wont leave u alone.

If he was being bullied and got his own back, good on him I say.
In this day and age kids need to some form of protection.

Well done to your lad!

Originally posted by Skatiechik
'Two wrongs don't make a right'

Easy to say from an outsider.
I agree with DB. Good on him. I was bullied many years ago at school and I am personally scarred not by the bullying itself but the fact I didn't stand up for myself as often as I should. I can take a beating but at least I would have shown them that however big or however many of them there are I wouldn't have taken it. I would happily make the same judgement if my kids were being bullied. Its an unfortunate circumstance of this day and age but the only way to make these people listen is to stand up to them..relying on other people gets you nowhere

'Two wrongs don't make a right'??
Seems to me there was no alternative. Too many school's pay lips service to bullying policy. The paperwork's there for inspection but it's action that's required. There's too many kids being physically and mentally abused. All this about getting victim and perpetrator together for a chat is so much b******s...that's when they can be bothered to take it that far.
Look at that Dad the yesterday in court, his lad had been pasted for 2years and when the guy grabs one of the yobs by his collar he finds himself in court and found guilty of assault.
Meanwhile the bully who has committed numerous physical assaults over a period get's off scot free and the victim has to move to a new school. It stinks.

If the school won't respond to an actual assault, a formal complaint should be made ditrectly to the police who should be told that the school aren't treating it seriously. There's too many kids suffering and too many taking their own lives over bulling

Originally posted by Skatiechik
'Two wrongs don't make a right'

I dont think he was trying to 'make a right'. Just get his own back.
Respect to the kid!

just another point on this bullying subject is when u have kids this is a real problem, if u havnt your point of view is fair enough but thats allit is cheers

My son was subjected to bullying at his school and thankfully the problem has been sorted.
It helps when the school and parents concerned are comitted to stopping the problem.
On the other hand a child has just left the school because they failed to stop his bullying and the mother wasn't interested in stopping her child.

However the whole process can take so long to get to anypoint where something is being done that it is distressing to the child concerned.
I threatened to blast the school name all over the net and across the star...worked like a charm :)

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
My son was subjected to bullying at his school and thankfully the problem has been sorted.
It helps when the school and parents concerned are comitted to stopping the problem.
On the other hand a child has just left the school because they failed to stop his bullying and the mother wasn't interested in stopping her child.

However the whole process can take so long to get to anypoint where something is being done that it is distressing to the child concerned.
I threatened to blast the school name all over the net and across the star...worked like a charm :)

To save time, why didn't you just put a curse on the kids involved or turn them into toads, or something? :)

Originally posted by mojoworking
To save time, why didn't you just put a curse on the kids involved or turn them into toads, or something? :)

Because it wouldn't help my son would it, he would depend on me for the rest of his life to sort out his problems? I don't honestly see him following in my footsteps, football has a much firmer hold of his attention.
Also the boy concerned had a few problems of his own which are now sorted and not only is he happier but so is his family.

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
Because it wouldn't help my son would it, he would depend on me for the rest of his life to sort out his problems? I don't honestly see him following in my footsteps, football has a much firmer hold of his attention.
Also the boy concerned had a few problems of his own which are now sorted and not only is he happier but so is his family.

That's fair enough, I suppose.

Originally posted by brooksy
just another point on this bullying subject is when u have kids this is a real problem, if u havnt your point of view is fair enough but thats allit is cheers

Would you mind elaborating on this a bit? :confused:

I don't see how encouraging your kids to be violent is a good thing? There are other ways of sorting out matters.

what i was trying 2 say was that when u find yourself in this situation as i did , ie having kids its a differant situation when u have none. emotions run high and u can if u let it cause u a lot of grieve. i wasnt meaning that people without kids shoudnt have a view on this but i think its not quite the same thing until u have expierenced this.

Schools ultimately have little or no power these days when it comes to punishing the bullies. Teachers are not allowed to punish kids for anything, and aren't allowed to expell pupils easily due to the new laws about forcing people to stay in education (part of the same group as the law punishing parents for their kid's truancy).

My daughter was bullied mercilessly at her junior school. It was a catholic school and the response I got to numerous complaints was that it was a 'loving, caring school' where bullying did not happen!! Her health suffered as did her work. It got so bad that I removed her from school and didn't send her for 3 weeks. The school had half a draft anti-bullying policy!! I met with the Governors and the head but they never really took it seriously, making my daughter in to the problem and not the victim.

She now at senior school and is very happy. Her work has improved and so has her health.

I feel very bitter that the school just fobbed us off time and time again and that she had to suffer years of unhappiness. Belive me I confronted the school on numerous occasions but they just weren't interested.

if someone uses violence towards you, generally the only effective immediate response is in kind. This will hold true through most of your life, so you may as well learn it young.

Saying that, i've not been in a physical confrontation that actually ended in violence in 8 years. I probably would have done though if I'd had a victim mentality and not been prepared to defend myself if necessary.

Originally posted by Skatiechik
I don't see how encouraging your kids to be violent is a good thing? There are other ways of sorting out matters.

Encouraging your child to be violent? :loopy: Oh right I get it, so whilst a gang of kids is kicking the living daylights out of my son I should tell him to lie there and take it and when they have finished he can ask them why they did it and invite them round for tea.

I think most parents are fully aware that there are other ways to sort it, however in many cases the child is at risk and in order to sort it other ways you have to get thru the red tape and procedures as set out by the school.
If this child has managed to put an end to it on his own, then it is more preferable than being led on a merry dance by the schools whilst he endures physcial and verbal abuse that may well affect his school work and ultimately his future.

Moon Maiden

I'd like to refer the lot of you to my above post. Schools do not decide how to deal with bullies. They have no choice, no power and no authority. Blaming the school is totally pointless. Blame the parents of the kids who are bullying or, better yet, try to find out why the kids are bullying others in the first place.

Originally posted by Agent Dan
I'd like to refer the lot of you to my above post. Schools do not decide how to deal with bullies. They have no choice, no power and no authority. Blaming the school is totally pointless. Blame the parents of the kids who are bullying or, better yet, try to find out why the kids are bullying others in the first place.

It's political correctness gone mad IMO.

Just because the government won't let teachers or parents give problematic kids a quick scutch round the chops... That'd sort 'em.

Schools don't decide how to deal with bullies? So why do schools write up bully charters and ways to deal with it?
Of course they have authority, whilst the children are at school they have certain responsibilities which they must uphold and that includes ensuring our childrens health and safety. Now if bullying doesn't not come up as a risk to a childs health and safety then I don't know what does.

Schools can expel bullies. Let someone else sort it out afterwards.
I'd like to see school's prosecuted for inaction. If it cost Education Authorities pots of money in compensation they'd soon learn to do more than trot out platitudes.
Many bullying policies mean as much as a tobacco company's customer care charter