Its a strange world we live in when people quite willingly vote for a group that promotes underage lesbian sex and has a paedophile manager yet can't bring themselves to vote for a group whos government chose to go to war on a dictator. OK, so our song wasn't brilliant, but lets face it, all the songs were crap. If people in Europe are this fickle, why on earth do we want anything to do with them at all, let alone sharing the same currency as them.

to be the only country to have got 0... DEFINITELY something dodgy going on, plus you could just about guess which country would give whom the 12 or 10 points, eg, Greece & Cyprus, France & Belgium it may aswell be renamed the Eurovision least offensive country contest, cos the songs may aswell not even have been shown. I say lets move the UK over to america.

sorry i wasn't that sad to watch it so...........who won?

Originally posted by "t020"

Its a strange world we live in when people quite willingly vote for a group that promotes underage lesbian sex and has a paedophile manager...

Eh? How is the group promoting underage lesbian sex?

The girls are 17 and 18 - the age of consent for lesbian sex in Russia is 16, and here there isn't one (presumably the government can't believe such "deviant" practices actually take place or something).

So how is their manager a paedophile?

Originally posted by "Jon"

sorry i wasn't that sad to watch it so...........who won?
Come on jon you know you did.........admit it, theres no shame in it. :wink:

The Winners were Turkey ( I just heard from somewhere, honest)

The whole thing is a joke, countries just vote for the neighbours and make a mockery of the whole scoring system.

Example Greece gave Cyprus 12 points and guess what Cyprus gave Greece 12 points.

Bring back Bucks Fizz and whipping those skirts off :)

I heard Tatu were managed by Trevor Horn? is this true

The Eurovision Song Contest is a joke, the songs and singers are generally very cheesy and the voting has always took on a political slant, if thats the mentality of Europeans in some poxy song competition then can their mentality be trusted politically ?

Originally posted by "The Cycleracer"

sorry i wasn't that sad to watch it so...........who won?
Come on jon you know you did.........admit it, theres no shame in it. :wink:: :oops: Honest never saw any of it lol

This contest is a load of bilge and always has been, the songs, the artists, the noise, where do they dig them up from? outer siberia? where is the talent? it sounds as if they are all in pain. I would not pay them out in buttons, it is an onslaught on the ears, call that rubbish entertainment? no way, no sir, I have heard cats making a better noise in the early hours.

If anyone is young today and have got the confidence to stand on stage and make dreadfull noises, they will be clapped and cheered and finish up with multimillion pound contracts, there should be a law against it.

Sounds to me like a lot of sour grapes. If we had won, I bet none of these negative comments would have been bandied about.

Our song was pathetic, pure and simple. It was a shock when it was chosen, as a ballad was expected to be the winner. Then its performed very badly and the writer and performers have the cheek to start making lots of excuses, claiming they could not hear themselves (lucky them!) and the Gulf War is to blame.

Besides this, our name is mud in Europe at the moment. There is negative feeling towards us due to our farce about whether to adopt the Euro and our stance in the Gulf War. We will not be able to justify our actions until Hussein is apprehended and the weapons of mass destruction are found.

Love or hate Europe, they are our closest neighbours and we should be doing more to work with them. We are part of the EU and should take a more active role in it's operation rather than taking a back seat and be dictated to.

Besides this, our name is mud in Europe at the moment. There is negative feeling towards us due to our farce about whether to adopt the Euro and our stance in the Gulf War. We will not be able to justify our actions until Hussein is apprehended and the weapons of mass destruction are found.

so our group, ok, the song was poor, but not 0 points poor, and because our government chose to do something, the group gets punished. whereas TATU, the russian group, also a terrible song badly sung, get rewarded with lots of points for promoting underage lesbian sex and being managed by a paedophile currently in trouble with russian authorities. europe? you can keep it.

Greece voted Cyprus
France voted Belgium
Ukrane voted Russia

Maybe becuase they understood their native speaking songs as appose to an English speaking one and it what got them the votes.

Terry wogan is partly to blame in influenting the TV viewers that it is entirely political, maybe it is but I personally think the words of a song is as important as the musical notes being played.

Terry wogan was more intrested in getting a free holiday in Turkey next year and was begging the second placed belgium to lose because it isn't sunny - they should drop him, in fact put him on that bus going over the cliff.

Originally posted by "t020"

[quote]so our group, ok, the song was poor, but not 0 points poor, and because our government chose to do something, the group gets punished. whereas TATU, the russian group, also a terrible song badly sung, get rewarded with lots of points for promoting underage lesbian sex and being managed by a paedophile currently in trouble with russian authorities. europe? you can keep it.

Russia isn't actually IN Europe. I think someone else in this topic has also asked you to provide evidence of how tatu promotes underage lesbian sex and why their manager is a paedophile.

Russia isn't actually IN Europe. I think someone else in this topic has also asked you to provide evidence of how tatu promotes underage lesbian sex and why their manager is a paedophile

im sorry, i was assuming people read newspapers and kept up to date with the news. i'd have thought 2 girls dressed in school uniforms kissing was self explanatory, and although russia arent in the EU, many countries that voted for their entry but not ours ARE in the EU. you want some proof hes a pedo? try some of the following links:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003221936,00.html

http://www.kidscape.org.uk/press/170203taTu.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/news/chartnews/030516_tatu.shtml

also:

Richard and Judy have accused Polydor Records - the label behind lesbian pop duo Tatu of promoting paedophilia.

Tatu, two Russian teenagers Julia Volkova, 16, and Lena Katina, 17, topped the charts with their single All The Things She Said.

In their video they kiss and fondle each other while dressed in school uniforms. Their manager Ivan Shapovalov says Tatu are an "underage sex project" designed to appeal to men in search of "underage entertainment".

Channel 4 presenter Richard Madeley branded them "sick" and attacked Polydor for supporting their "open paedophile message".

He said: "We are being told that these girls actually have underage lesbian sex in real life and we are being told by their manager that he spotted a gap in the market - a paedophile gap in the market."

"I think they should ban it, I think radio stations should take it upon themselves to ban it."

A spokesman for Polydor was unavailable for comment.



is that enough evidence? that was from a few mins searching the web. there are hundreds of articles out there if u could be arsed to search urself instead of blindly disputing anything i say. but if EU citizens would rather vote for TATU than our group just because our groups government did something they don't agree with, yet their groups MANAGER is a pedo promoting underage lesbian sex, i think that says a lot about the people in the EU. they're blindly anti-britain and anti-american. bring on a referendum President Blair. luckily TATU didn't win on the night, but they still came 3rd. our song was not good but 0 points isnt a true reflection of it in comparison with other entries. satisfied?

Perhaps you'd like to go further and have everyone in Europe who voted for tatu to be arrested? I believe that quite a few people in Britain also voted for them. These people must obviously be paedophiles and we must surely round them up and arrest them too.

What about Britney Spears and when she dressed up as a schoolgirl for the video for 'baby one more time'? Shall we arrest her and her video director?

A popular theme for nightclubs in this country at the moment is 'school discos' where people are encouraged to dress in school uniform. Would you like this banned too?

Lesbians or not, Tatu are of legal age, as was mentioned earlier on this post and are free to wear what they like.

And what they do and wear has absolutely nothing to do with European politics.

The points which I wanted to address was that Russian culture and their entry into the Eurovision Song contest has nothing to do with the EU and you started off this Xenophobic post making accusations about paedophiles. A guy called Mike made a post three after yours and made some valid points about your post which you never even replied to.

Originally posted by "t020"

you want some proof hes a pedo? try some of the following links:
Nope, sorry but there's no proof in any of those links - you're just spouting the same alarmist crap peddled by the tabloids to make a story.

Originally posted by "t020"

Richard and Judy have accused Polydor Records - the label behind lesbian pop duo Tatu of promoting paedophilia.
Wow, those well known investigative journalists Richard and Judy. We'd better believe them, just like we should believe everything we read in the Sun.

Originally posted by "t020"

He said: "We are being told that these girls actually have underage lesbian sex in real life and we are being told by their manager that he spotted a gap in the market - a paedophile gap in the market."
As I said in my earlier reply - the girls are above the legal age of consent for lesbian sex in Russia, and in this country there's no such thing as underage lesbian sex.

Originally posted by "t020"

is that enough evidence? that was from a few mins searching the web. there are hundreds of articles out there if u could be arsed to search urself instead of blindly disputing anything i say.
No it's not - there's no evidence there at all, and perhaps if you spent a bit more time doing your research you could come up with some hard facts.

Making a pop-video with school kids in it doesn't mean that that person [edited] children, does it?

I,ve never heard our song so can,t comment on how bad it really was , i can,t comment on the others as i did not watch it but 0 points well, its to do with the Iraq confrontation thats for sure.

He has admitted using the casting ploy to seduce girls as young as 14, the age of consent in Russia.

Many of the girls — all wearing the Tatu “uniform” of short skirts — were as young as seven.

Their manager Ivan Shapovalov says Tatu are an "underage sex project" designed to appeal to men in search of "underage entertainment".


note: he actually SAID this, he admits it.

We object to their manager allegedly saying that he has visited child pornography sites and that he is marketing Tatu as an 'underage sex fantasy' and that he thinks it is funny.

fact is: the guy is immoral at best, and directly linked to the group. our groups government is not directly linked to the group. people in europe voted more for the russians than for the UK, we managed 0 points. you talk about xenophobia - what does that make people in the EU? they can't vote for the UK, they dislike us, simpy because our government went to war. but they have no qualms however in voting for Russia, with a manager that admits to exploiting young girls and catering for the paedophile market. he slept with girls of 14. but hey, you defend him. at least i know what level your moral standards are on. as long as you can appear all PC, who cares ay?

Of course tATu have been created with a paedophilic, sexual nature , or else why would they even bother kissing and groping each other during their performances, why not just sing, its music not porn. Why would ivan Stevawhatever, their manager have chosen to put them in school uniforms in the first UK video and underwear in the other video. Also, they may be that age now, but when they started out they were 15. He chose them young for a reason and he made them lesbians for a reason. He also chose well, as the girls look quite young for their age and act quite childish from what ive read, although the age of the girls may not be anything new cos we already have young people in the charts, but hes given tatu sexual connotations by making them pretend to be lesbians, constantly kissing and feeling each other wearing not many clothes. It has become less about the music and more about how shocking they are. Weve got kids in the charts (S-club juniors or whatever theyre called these days etc) so thats not very shocking, Weve got lesbians in the charts (Skin from S.A etc) so thats nothing new either, but we dont have lesbian kids. Hes seen a gap in the market and filled it, and if you dont think putting 2 young (pretend) lesbians on the scene will cater to paedophiles, you must be damn stupid.

Next year we should get Geoff and The mods to sing Andys Sheffield Forum Song in the Eurovision song contest :D

Our friend Geoff Bowen is the host,
Of Sheffield Forum, where we post.
It's a place where we can talk, chat and boast,
About out city, which isn't on the coast. (got stuck here!)

Click on Sheffield Forum dot co dot uk,
and you will find that it's a great way
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it beats working, anyway!

Originally posted by "t020"

He has admitted using the casting ploy to seduce girls as young as 14, the age of consent in Russia.
So, if that's the case, then it's not underage sex, is it?

Originally posted by "t020"

Many of the girls — all wearing the Tatu “uniform” of short skirts — were as young as seven.
What, oh no, not schoolgirls wearing school uniforms? Surely not!

Originally posted by "t020"

that he is marketing Tatu as an 'underage sex fantasy' and that he thinks it is funny.
It's marketing. Marketing sells records. He probably thinks it's funny because it's all worked a treat, thanks to the outrage of people like yourself and "newspapers" like the Sun.

Originally posted by "kittykat"

and if you dont think putting 2 young (pretend) lesbians on the scene will cater to paedophiles, you must be damn stupid.
The "naughty schoolgirl" image seems to be a perfectly acceptable one in our society - you see it all the time in the tabloids, you can get schoolgirl strippergrams, etc, etc. This has been going on for years and in my mind is quite a dubious image in the first place. Funny though, that nobody minds about that, but as soon as there's a lesbian element, people are up in arms. That strikes me purely as homophobia. Why aren't you on here complaining about Britney, et al?

britney didnt have a direct sexual element. i think kissing and fondling each other classes as that. and although 14 is legal over there, how many 14 year olds look old enough for sex? the guys sick. and yes a lot of it is in the name of marketing, im not stupid. but ur jumping the gun thinking im homophobic and its all about them being lesbians. i'd have thought most people in this country find the idea of a 14 and 15 year old (the ages they were when signed) kissing each other in school uniforms as part of their written contract to some sick b***** of a manager is morally questionable. but still, each to their own. its obviously more acceptable than a persons government going to war on a dictator. strange world.

No its not homophobic! Britney wasnt kissing and feeling anyone in the video where she dressed as a schoolgirl. I dont think there was any need to her to choose that particular attire really, but the lesbian element of tATu has been chosen for a reason. He could have just got a girl and a boy to kiss each other on stage, but he got 2 girls instead, knowing this would appeal to paedophiles more and create more of a fuss, and it probably does. t020 isnt being homophobic! How can he be? Theyre not even real lesbians, theyve got boyfriends for a start!

Originally posted by "kittykat"

but he got 2 girls instead, knowing this would appeal to paedophiles more
What the hell are you on about? Why would two girls kissing appeal any more to paedophiles than a boy and a girl kissing? Are you suggesting that paedophiles are driven by watching lesbians? Do you even know what a paedophile is?
Originally posted by "kittykat"

t020 isnt being homophobic! How can he be? Theyre not even real lesbians, theyve got boyfriends for a start!
Let me explain again - my point is that nobody bats an eyelid when heterosexual "schoolgirl" imagery is rife in the media, but as soon as there's a lesbian element, people kick up a fuss. Why do *you* think that is then?

Originally posted by "t020"

britney didnt have a direct sexual element.

If you're talking about paedophilia, it's irrelavent whether it's directly sexual or not paedophilia isn't just about the direct sexual act, it's about being sexually attracted to children.

Anyway, does anyone really think that a paedophile is going to sit watching TOTP to get their thrills? I really doubt it. If your going for that angle then you'd better start banning the showing of children on TV at all.

It's things such as this TaTu fiasco that detract from the real issues of child abuse, all for tabloid sales, and people just swallow it like dummies.

ok Mike. the Tatu project is perfectly moral. signing young girls up for a contract that makes them kiss each other on stage and then shagging them at 14 - that guy sounds like a great guy, obviously someone u'd not mind having a drink with. Tatu deserved more 100 and odd points more than us - afterall, our government went to war on a dictator, and their band manager shags little girls. as for DUMMIES swallowing anything the tabloids say, i dont read the tabloids, as i explained i searched the web and it just happened that 1 story was from the sun. im a times reader myself. anyway, this thread stops here, because as far as i'm concerned, anyone who can't see the immorality of the Tatu project is not worth talking with as their moral standards are clearly misaligned. :x

Originally posted by "t020"

signing young girls up for a contract that makes them kiss each other on stage
You've seen their contract then, I take it?
Originally posted by "t020"

and then shagging them at 14
Where exactly has this been proven?
Originally posted by "t020"

as for DUMMIES swallowing anything the tabloids say, i dont read the tabloids...
I don't care which paper *you* read - the tabloids started the whole outrage, and yes, most people do swallow what they say without any further thought
Originally posted by "t020"

this thread stops here, because as far as i'm concerned, anyone who can't see the immorality of the Tatu project is not worth talking with as their moral standards are clearly misaligned.
Nah, it's because you can't have a coherent argument. And sorry, but you don't know anything about my moral standards.

To continue...

Which one do you fancy more? The dark haired pixie-minx, or the ginger? Hmm, decisions.
















(PS Joke.)

I'd rather see Britney in a school uniform!!

Yes 2 girls WOULD appeal to paedophiles than a boy and a girl. A boy and a girl is 'NORMAL', 2 girls isnt as 'normal' and paedophiles are definitely NOT normal. Plus ask most men if theyd like to see 2 girls kissing over a girl kissing a boy and i can bet the majority would say the first. Dont even BOTHER denying it cos i KNOW youd be lying. I know this, and so does the manager of tATu and most other people with a sense of reality.

Originally posted by "kittykat"

Yes 2 girls WOULD appeal to paedophiles than a boy and a girl. A boy and a girl is 'NORMAL', 2 girls isnt as 'normal' and paedophiles are definitely NOT normal.

Oh yeah, great logic. That really makes sense. What about those paedophiles who only like boys? Bet they'd just love tatu. Another one who can't present any facts, but just the same old ill-informed rubbish.

Thanks, glad you agree.

leave it kittykat he's not worth it. i'm surprised he can read on here, his heads so far up his own [edited]

Same old story - when people can't argue with any form on intelligence any more, they resort to insults.

Perhaps you should think of a proper line of reasoning before coming out with the sweeping statements of your first post.

Originally posted by "t020"

leave it kittykat he's not worth it. i'm surprised he can read on here, his heads so far up his own a$$
I realise people get frustrated by other members posts, but circumventing the swear filter isn't going to add to your cause!

Well, anyone who thinks an old man who blatently uses two underpriveledged young girls for money is OK isnt really worth bothering with. He obviously enjoys their wonderfully out of tune screeching too much to care about it being a sick marketing ploy.

Originally posted by "kittykat"

Well, anyone who thinks an old man who blatently uses two underpriveledged young girls for money is OK isnt really worth bothering with. He obviously enjoys their wonderfully out of tune screeching too much to care about it being a sick marketing ploy.

Ha ha! Great, we're off again!

Why do you think the two girls are/were underpriveledged?

All pop-promoters use their artists for money - that's the way it works I'm afraid.

i did but u dismiss anything i say. the guy admitted he shagged 14 year olds, yet ur selective amnesia managed to forget this fact earlier. the girls themselves have said whats in their contract and ive given a link but again, u choose to dismiss it. and finally, to my original post, was UKs entry 100 and odd points worse than russias and worthy of 0 points? it was bad but not THAT bad. anti britain people of europe chose to not vote of this. "PROVE IT PROVE IT". what do u want me to do, go round every person in the EU and ask their opinion of britain? at the moment im sure it would not be very good due to the war and our reluctancy to join the euro. and before u ask me to prove this, i cant alright? its an educated guess given the fact that the UK nearly always finishes top 5, has never finished with 0 points, and all this coinciding with a time where we chose to back US foreign policy rather than that of most EU countries and our on going reluctancy to join the euro. as for the tatu project, can u honestly say the marketing strategy and the manager himself aren't, at best, morally suspect? my point is, people of the EU seemed happy to take the moral high ground in not voting for the UK as they think the war was immoral, yet have no qualms about voting for russias entry, which in most peoples eyes (though obviously not urs), is a very immoral music project.

Cant you just believe me. I read a biographical piece on them in a magazine showing their childhood homes, lives etc. I dont make things up thankyou. As for proof, i cant provide it im afraid as i was a few months ago, you'll just have to take my word for it, something that by the looks of it you find very hard to do.

From the Sun website:
He has admitted using the casting ploy to seduce girls as young as 14, the age of consent in Russia.
The Sun revealed in February that Shapovalov’s ex-lover Elena Kipper accused him of sleeping with Julia Volkova when she was only 14


I would be very wary of believing anything that the Sun write - they have a long history of printing lies and rumour. So, in my mind that's not a fact.
Also, if the age of consent is 14 in Russia, then you can't blame people of that age from having sex, odd as it might seem to us in the UK.
The age of consent is (I believe) 13 in Japan - does that make all Japanese men paedophiles?
I can't see anything in those links that mentions that they have to kiss on stage as part of their contract, but might have just missed it.

Originally posted by "kittykat"

Cant you just believe me. .

You well may be right, but I don't see the issue there - all pop-promoters make money this way. Look at a manufactured band like Hearsay - they came from ordinary lives and made good money from their brief stardom - I don't think that makes the management wrong, does it?

its in their biographies on their official website. http://www.tatu.ru/eng
click biographies on the left hand side. i never intended to provoke a big argument, my original post was simply to question the ethics and political dimensions to the joke of a song contest that is the eurovision song contest. enough, i have work to do

He didnt make them pretend to be lesbians though did he.

oops the bio's arent on that page. somewhere on their official site though, although its just another sick marketing ploy to appeal to a certain kind of person. like i said, work to do, bye

Ok, I just get fed up with the paedophile hysteria that this country is gripped in, and how people are being labelled as such for not doing anything actually deserving of this. Take the Southampton riots for example, where people attacked the house of a paedeotrician and forced completely innocent people to move out of the area.

Why does this rile me? Because the tabloids (and others) obsession with the image of the predatory paedophile clouds the real issues that are at stake. That is, that most sexual abuse is caused by family members, in the privacy of the family home.

My girlfriend works with abused youngsters and not one of them has been abused by a stranger, but usually by a family member. This obsession with "stranger danger" imho is a backwards step in the fight against child abuse, and takes the focus away from the real issues. It also means we get so used to seeing the paedophile headlines that in the end we switch off and stop taking notice. It dilutes the issue so that in the end, people just don't care anymore.

Also, the fact that we watch violent films is not necessarily going to make us behave in a violent way, so I don't believe that watching such a group as Tatu is really going to encourage anyone to abuse children.

The main thing about TATU that bothers me is their "music" It's awful!

I have to say I am not keen on seeing them dress as school girls, but this goes for Brittany Spears aswell.

I find it slighty disturbing that as a society we are totally obsessed with peadophiles yet we are happy to see young girls dress as school girls and behave in a sexual way to please men.

It's really quite strange that say Bob down the pub will shoot his mouth off about how he hates peados but he'll happily get aroused by looking at pictures/videos of "school girls".

Also on the same sort of topic, I find it disgusting that the music industry are totally embracing R Kelly, and his song is at number 1, when it is proven he has a penchant for young girls shall we say. He married Aaliyah when she was 15!! and has been known to star in videos having sex with girls as young as 12!

Steelblade you hit the proverbial thing on the flat bit at the top.

The last few years have seen several media spectaculars on the subject of
Paedophilia, and pictures of Angry Mobs in Paulsgrove, witch hunts and flying accustations all followed.

Imagine, however, that the media reported it like it is. You can imagine the Stun or the News of the Screws headline.

Shocking truth about Uncles and Nieces revealed. Is your brother a kiddy fiddler?

Hardly likely to sell newspapers.

Simultaneously we have a media culture that uses sex to sell, and the market - being equally exploitative in all things - has discovered that using sexy younger girls sells better than sexy older women.

What this says about men is obvious, especially from a completely mechanistic darwinian viewpoint.

This is all about money and sex. Sex sells. Sexier sex sells more. Young girls are sexier than toothless harridans, ergo more nude, nubile young girls on TV, magazines, mobile phones, billboards, in films, draped over items of industrial machinery and singing crap europoop.

theyre certainly not sexy. ones a ginger, the other looks like a,,,, well, a lez

but is the ginger sexier than an OLD ginger and the (funny looking) lez sexier then an OLD (funny looking) lez?

Originally posted by "t020"

theyre certainly not sexy. ones a ginger, the other looks like a,,,, well, a lez
But surely not, don't all lesbians have short cropped hair and wear dungarees? Just like all gay men have 'taches, talk with an effeminate voice and wear leather caps when they go out.

Originally posted by "kittykat"

but is the ginger sexier than an OLD ginger and the (funny looking) lez sexier then an OLD (funny looking) lez?
How old are TATU?

17 and 18.

Originally posted by "kittykat"

but is the ginger sexier than an OLD ginger and the (funny looking) lez sexier then an OLD (funny looking) lez?
And I suppose you look like miss world then, huh?

Originally posted by "Mike"

17 and 18.
I can understand the argument from both sides of the coin and that some people feel that TATU dressing up in school uniforms and skimpy clothes as perverted and wrong. But I hardly feel that if a man likes the look of a 'consenting adult' in school uniform is going to make him go and be a pedo' then some people are scare mongering or just being paranoid for no reason. In that sentence you'd need to say the majority of Japanese men are pedo's becuase the school girl look is very big over there.
I don't beleive that the nation is a big bunch of pedo's just because of it.
How many times as a doorman have I seen women (bog goups of em) walking roung town in school uniforms? LOADS! I mean for crying out loud loads of night clubs promote school uniform nights. Not because the owners are perv pedo's, far from it. It's to make money and they know that young men like to see women in little skirts.

As for the lipstick lesbian thing, thats all they are "lipstick lesbians". And if that sells records then why not. They are over the age of consent and old enough to make there own decisions.
I don't think the image of that is going to make young girls go out and start getting off with each other. Credit the kids of today with a little more inteligence than that!

As I drove back from the gym last night, I passed a group of about 5 girls, all dressed as schoolgirls (it made me **** myself after all the stuff on this thread :) ).

But anyway, there they all were, dressed in tiny skirts, with bunches and loose ties, etc.....but......amazingly, none of them were locked together with tongues down each other's throats, and perhaps even more amazingly there weren't loads of slavering paedophiles in macs whacking off across the road either.

Strange, perhaps they'd never listened to Tatu - lucky really I suppose.

Originally posted by "Mike"

As I drove back from the gym last night, I passed a group of about 5 girls, all dressed as schoolgirls (it made me **** myself after all the stuff on this thread :) ).

But anyway, there they all were, dressed in tiny skirts, with bunches and loose ties, etc.....but......amazingly, none of them were locked together with tongues down each other's throats, and perhaps even more amazingly there weren't loads of slavering paedophiles in macs whacking off across the road either.

Strange, perhaps they'd never listened to Tatu - lucky really I suppose.
They weren't actually school girls by any chance were they? We are in fact talking about women/adults in school uniform?

No, this was about 10pm and they were definitely *not* schoolgirls - they were just waiting for a cab by the looks of it.

I was just being facetious anyway, it just made me laugh after all the stuff on here.

i think its a popular theme night thing at the clubs called "skool dizko" or summat, wher they play all the music from the 80's

Originally posted by "RPG"

i think its a popular theme night thing at the clubs called "skool dizko" or summat, wher they play all the music from the 80's
Exactly, and I think that TATU have just found a way to exploit that in there first video, just as britney spears did.
I think this OTT on Pedo's getting there kicks from this stuff is too much IMHO.
If they were in fact school girls in school uniform doing this stuff then I'd be the first person shouting on the boards about it being wrong.

mike, TATU r actually both 18.

DaBouncer.. its fine now but what i have a problem with is that they started off at 14 and 15, kissing and fondling on stage... is this right?

also Mike, i said they're NOT sexy... just like real life lesbians really. OH NO SHOOT ME COME ON. that wasn't 100% PC was it?

Originally posted by "Mike"

but is the ginger sexier than an OLD ginger and the (funny looking) lez sexier then an OLD (funny looking) lez?
And I suppose you look like miss world then, huh?

You'd be surprised. Not everyone who uses computers are ugly freaks with jam jar specs and a side parting you know.

Anyway anybody see The song contest?

Originally posted by "t020"

also Mike, i said they're NOT sexy... just like real life lesbians really. OH NO SHOOT ME COME ON. that wasn't 100% PC was it?

I don't expect you to find lesbians sexy if you're straight but I think the comment "looks like a,,,, well, a lez" is a bit ridiculous because what the hell does a "lez" look like? There are ugly and beautiful lesbians, and there are plenty of gay men who don't act like Graham Norton, etc, etc....

Originally posted by "mikey"

Anyway anybody see The song contest?

yep, and to be fair, they were all horrendously crap!

Originally posted by "kittykat"

You'd be surprised. Not everyone who uses computers are ugly freaks with jam jar specs and a side parting you know.
Well of course not - I am obviously absolutely perfect looking...but anyway, describing someone as a "funny looking lez" is pretty offensive imho, but there we go.

Originally posted by "t020"



DaBouncer.. its fine now but what i have a problem with is that they started off at 14 and 15, kissing and fondling on stage... is this right?



HEEEEEEEELLLLLLL NO! 14 n 15 Deffo not! I'd be happy with it at 18+ @ 16 I'd be very iffy with it!

Originally posted by "kittykat"

but is the ginger sexier than an OLD ginger and the (funny looking) lez sexier then an OLD (funny looking) lez?
And I suppose you look like miss world then, huh?

You'd be surprised. Not everyone who uses computers are ugly freaks with jam jar specs and a side parting you know.
LMAO go KittyKat! :lol:

Originally posted by "Mike"

also Mike, i said they're NOT sexy... just like real life lesbians really. OH NO SHOOT ME COME ON. that wasn't 100% PC was it?

I don't expect you to find lesbians sexy if you're straight but I think the comment "looks like a,,,, well, a lez" is a bit ridiculous because what the hell does a "lez" look like? There are ugly and beautiful lesbians, and there are plenty of gay men who don't act like Graham Norton, etc, etc....

and it is precisely over political correctness like that which goes way, way too far, to such an extent that no one dare make a joke without fear of persecution from so called do gooders.

Originally posted by "t020"

and it is precisely over political correctness like that which goes way, way too far, to such an extent that no one dare make a joke without fear of persecution from so called do gooders.

yeah, it depends on the context though doesn't it, and on an internet forum it's quite hard to establish whether anyone's joking or not. We all make non-pc jokes but on a board where people from all walks of life read it, then I tend to be a bit more tactful, given that if you take the standard "1 in 10" statistic (whether that is absolutely correct is debateable) then approx 70 users of this board are gay.

Originally posted by "Mike"

and it is precisely over political correctness like that which goes way, way too far, to such an extent that no one dare make a joke without fear of persecution from so called do gooders.

yeah, it depends on the context though doesn't it, and on an internet forum it's quite hard to establish whether anyone's joking or not. We all make non-pc jokes but on a board where people from all walks of life read it, then I tend to be a bit more tactful, given that if you take the standard "1 in 10" statistic (whether that is absolutely correct is debateable) then approx 70 users of this board are gay.


i also called the other one "a ginger", why didnt u jump on me for that too while u were at it? ginger haired people might read this forum and be scarred for life

Originally posted by "t020"

i also called the other one "a ginger", why didnt u jump on me for that too while u were at it? ginger haired people might read this forum and be scarred for life

Well you said it........

.....but that's a bit different - people generally aren't persecuted for having ginger hair, are they?

Originally posted by "t020"

and it is precisely over political correctness like that which goes way, way too far, to such an extent that no one dare make a joke without fear of persecution from so called do gooders.

yeah, it depends on the context though doesn't it, and on an internet forum it's quite hard to establish whether anyone's joking or not. We all make non-pc jokes but on a board where people from all walks of life read it, then I tend to be a bit more tactful, given that if you take the standard "1 in 10" statistic (whether that is absolutely correct is debateable) then approx 70 users of this board are gay.


i also called the other one "a ginger", why didnt u jump on me for that too while u were at it? ginger haired people might read this forum and be scarred for life
Because Ginger is the colour as it's recognised in the UK. Someone has Ginger hair!
If you were to have said *Carrot Top or something like that then someone may have jumped on you for it!

*Comment made as an example and not a direct insult of people with Ginger Coloured Hair :wink:[/siz]

Originally posted by "Mike"

i also called the other one "a ginger", why didnt u jump on me for that too while u were at it? ginger haired people might read this forum and be scarred for life

Well you said it........

.....but that's a bit different - people generally aren't persecuted for having ginger hair, are they?

but u can't be selectively PC, applying PC logic where its seen as fashionable and "modern", but not elsewhere. besides, ginger haired people are often given a tough time - i remember kids at school that were, so yes they are persecuted in a way.

Originally posted by "t020"

but u can't be selectively PC, applying PC logic where its seen as fashionable and "modern", but not elsewhere. besides, ginger haired people are often given a tough time - i remember kids at school that were, so yes they are persecuted in a way.

It's nothing to do with fashion, well, not for me anyway.

Come on, ginger people may be given a hard time, but it's hardly in the same league is it? You don't get "ginger bashers" or people who wait oustide "ginger clubs" (if there were such a thing) to rape gingers, do you?

Anyway, I'm off home so will have to pick this up later.....

LOL LOL LOL LOL :lol:

and who'd have thought this thread would have caused such an on going, heated debate

Anybody think the Turkish entry was a copy of the Holly Valance tune?

Not that I want to put an end to all this Lezzy stuff.

What about a group like Frankie Goes to Hollywood - They were all a bunch of gays and I guess they were promoting gay sex.

umm, holly valance ripped off their tune.

holly vallance used a turkish national folk song for her song, and the turkish entry just did an upbeat version of the classic turkish version

"What about a group like Frankie Goes to Hollywood - They were all a bunch of gays and I guess they were promoting gay sex."

Yeah and their single 'Relax' got banned and went straight to Number One.

Originally posted by "RPG"

umm, holly valance ripped off their tune.

holly vallance used a turkish national folk song for her song, and the turkish entry just did an upbeat version of the classic turkish version

So you wacthed it then RPG, I think it was a Tunision or Algerian song actually that Holly Vallance did.

It dont matter where the original came from, it had already been done by someone.

Originally posted by "mikey"

Anybody think the Turkish entry was a copy of the Holly Valance tune?

Not that I want to put an end to all this Lezzy stuff.

What about a group like Frankie Goes to Hollywood - They were all a bunch of gays and I guess they were promoting gay sex.

not that i want to start the whole debate again, but they weren't promoting paedophilia and underage sex

Originally posted by "mikey"

umm, holly valance ripped off their tune.

holly vallance used a turkish national folk song for her song, and the turkish entry just did an upbeat version of the classic turkish version

So you wacthed it then RPG, I think it was a Tunision or Algerian song actually that Holly Vallance did.

It dont matter where the original came from, it had already been done by someone.

and it'd been done by someone (a turk) before that! :lol: :wink:

The tune was different though wasnt it? It sounded different to me, still turkish sounding though, as was the talented miss valances cover version of some turkish song from years ago.
I bet holly probably released her kiss kiss thing over there and they realised it was popular so decided to actually do a turkish sounding song rather than try and fit in with the usual crap ballad or cheesy dancy types.