watching the tv they were debating why people buy dodgy goods costing the treasury 1 billion pounds why would anybody buy these fake items as many of them fall to bits after a week i would rather buy the genuine item

Because they are either idiots who believe that the Rolex watch being sold by some spiv from a suitcase is genuine or they believe "real" prices are too high and so will look for a bargain despite the fact it will be tat.

A Rolex will not keep time any better than a £20 Timex.

Buying a Rolex is an act of conspicuous consumption - i.e. you are announcing to the world that you are rich enough to buy a very expensive watch. As fake Rolexes look as good as the real thing from a distance, you are passing yourself of as being richer than you are. Its a form of egotism.

A Rolex will not keep time any better than a £20 Timex.

Buying a Rolex is an act of conspicuous consumption - i.e. you are announcing to the world that you are rich enough to buy a very expensive watch. As fake Rolexes look as good as the real thing from a distance, you are passing yourself of as being richer than you are. Its a form of egotism.



spot on Lord Chav.

I think other factors are peer pressure/media influences on people who just simply cannot afford the genuine article.

Todays society basically follows the cycle of: Go to work > Get Paid > Shop.

It's almost as if people have forgotten how to enjoy free things in life (but thats another thread maybe)

People are so taken in by what they see on TV and magazines that they feel inadequate if they don't follow suit - sadly not everyone can afford to do this legally I guess, but still have such a strong urge to 'fit in' with the Jones' (or Beckhams) that they will by fake instead.

It would be such a nicer place if people followed their own hearts more and wore/purchased what made them happy.

It's also blatently obvious the majority of the time as the wearer doesn't change their lifestyle/personality to suit the items in question ( Gucci in the Cannon, for example)

A Rolex will not keep time any better than a £20 Timex.

Buying a Rolex is an act of conspicuous consumption - i.e. you are announcing to the world that you are rich enough to buy a very expensive watch. As fake Rolexes look as good as the real thing from a distance, you are passing yourself of as being richer than you are. Its a form of egotism.
Not all Rolex models look flash; I would agree that some are garish (the stuff of footballers and scrap dealers done good), but many are just beautifully crafted and understated.

Why buy a well-engineered car when a banger gets you from A to B?
Why buy a quality stereo when there's plenty of functional stuff in Curry's for a hundred quid?
Why have a nice pair of shoes?

The answer to all is that we appreciate the aesthetics and quality of goods, and all have varying interests, so in some areas we are prepared to pay for what we see as 'quality', while in other areas we're not interested. A Rolex is beautifully made, and tough as old boots. The crystal front doesn't scratch the way a glass cover does on most watches, and while they don't keep time as well as quartz watch, that's not the idea – and they are very accurate for a mechanical watch. The strap clicks shut like a quality car doors clunks shut, the second hand sweeps beautifully, and it lasts a lifetime. The same cannot be said either for a fake Rolex or another cheap watch.

Otherside of the argument, why fund the government if you don't have too ?

I know this might sound as far-fetched as a bucket of **** from China, but I’ve never knowingly seen or bought anything faked, although at times I’ve been tempted to buy copies of software for my computers. I never have, because (a) it would lead to problems if anything went wrong, and (b) it’s against my principles. As you all know, software is a big rip-off as are the upgrades!

I remember a guy who was a bit of a spiv and frequented a pub that I used donkeys years ago. He used to buy cheap watches and try to sell them in the pub but didn't do that well until he started to whisper into prospective buyers ears 'don't tell anyone that they have been nicked'.

Why do people buy dodgy goods?
Because they are cheaper than the original, and you save a lot of cash in doing so.

Watches
Anyone who wants to buy a Rolex are either a) very rich b) have egotism as stated above- why anyone would go out dressed in a £20k watch is beyond me- who is going to see it when its up your sleeve?

DVD's/Software/Games
This is where I agree with the pirates and dodgy copies.
For the price of packet of fags usually - you can own the latest copy of a movie, software like windows, or a game for a console- and usually most pirates produce them so they are EXACTLY like the original- they do the same thing although in the case of windows copies you dont have a legal license key- although the pirates I have seen use valid keys more than once to supply with windows.

So the argument could be- why pay £90+for windows when you can get it for under £5?
Why pay £30 for a console game when you can get it for less than £5

Perfumes
This is a weird one for me because arent perfume's being copied still and put into bottles where they are given a different name? I remember a stall in crystal peaks market where a woman used to advertise the perfumes as having different names but having the sticker on them saying CK One or whatever- isnt this illegal?
Yet people still buy them in droves?

T-Shirts and Clothing
I've had a few manufactured copied clothing over the years, all have been produced to a decent quality - especially the Ralph Lauren clones.

watching the tv they were debating why people buy dodgy goods costing the treasury 1 billion pounds why would anybody buy these fake items as many of them fall to bits after a week i would rather buy the genuine item

maybe because they cant afford the real thing.

watching the tv they were debating why people buy dodgy goods costing the treasury 1 billion pounds why would anybody buy these fake items as many of them fall to bits after a week i would rather buy the genuine item

i'm puzzled as to how someone buying a fake rolex costs the government anything? Unless we mean the lost vat on the £5 watch.

maybe because they cant afford the real thing.

thats a big part of it, a lot of fashionable labels price themselves far above what "normal" people can afford in an attempt to generate some feel of exclusivety. But what happens is that people see their idols in these clothes/watches/trainers etc. and, not having superstar money to spend, go out and buy fakes, this drags the labels reputation down into the gutter and has the opposite effect to the one the label wanted. Think what happened to Burberry. What they should do is charge a reasonable amount for the clothes in the first place, £100 for a Dior T-shirt (for example) is just mad, it can't possibly be worth that much, then all the people who want to wear them could afford the real thing, the designer gets their cut, the shops make money and everyone is happy.

If they charged less then they wouldn't be as fashionable...

If they charged less then they wouldn't be as fashionable...

In other words, exclusivity is all. In this case, I'm happy to be excluded. One one side you've got stupid, vain people with more money than sense wearing the 'genuine' stuff, and on the other sad inadequate wannabees aping them with the ersatz crap.

stupid, vain people with more money than sense

green is such an unpleasant colour.

I guess you guys don't have the pirated goods mentality ? :P
Ah well... let me educate you.

It depends on what you mean by dodgy goods. Not all of them are fake. Some are fake to the extent that you know it's not real, but whereas others are a lower quality good which did not past the QA test.

The ones that do not past the QA test sometimes find themselves on the market. They're sold as the ones that did past the test, and sometimes you cannot even tell. If you go to HK, you'll realise this whenever you buy any electrical products. I think the government is trying to clamp down on this now. The prices *are* much cheaper, and it drives down the cost for other buyers overseas !

I've got a fake designer handbag which someone bought for me from oversea. The point in having such a handbag is not just purely cos it's designer. The quality of this bag still has a higher standard than just the tat I find in the UK. Which is the irony (!)

As much as others like to think that expensive goods are worth its money. It sometimes isn't. Not all luxury goods are made to a high standard. So it's not even worth the money. You're just buying the brand name. Egotism ? Maybe. Won't you feel like a mug if this was the case ?

Then again, if there is no demand in the market for any goods, dodgy or otherwise, there would not be a generated supply on it.

It's like DVDs and music. Companies think that they lost in sales due to piracy, but then again, would the consumers have increased their sales anyway if they didn't buy the pirated goods ? i.e. more interest in movies etc.

I remember buying some Royal Worster plates in the Sheffield markets. The guy said it was seconds, and I believed him. It was from the same manufacturer but of a slight lower quality, and you can tell. To me, it's still of a higher quality than say plates in Ikea.

One one side you've got stupid, vain people with more money than sense wearing the 'genuine' stuff, and on the other sad inadequate wannabees aping them with the ersatz crap.
I suppose it all depends on what you class as a waste of money? Is a £6 t-shirt from Asda a waste of money when you can get a perfectly functional £3 one from Primark?

green is such an unpleasant colour.

Why would you assume I'm jealous?

If they charged less then they wouldn't be as fashionable...

I don't know, G-Star is quite fashionable at the moment, but it's not expensive, so people who want to wear it can afford to, there is no point in faking it.

I won't but fake or stolen good (the same thing IMO). I do occasionally splash out on something nice for myself - it's what money is for :D

I do believe that the first time you buy something that's fake with the intention to impress you are immediately call into question anything else that you own as being the same.

I know a girl who has a mixture of fake and real designer stuff (especially handbags) and as far as I'm concerned it might as well all be knock off.

Why would you assume I'm jealous?

the characterisation of all people who buy expensive luxury goods as vain and stupid... possibly.

People are usually after a bargain. But some people look a little too far, as already said it's generally daft people who think they can get something for nothing.

Price is sometimes related to quality, Rolex will use much better components than Timex so it will keep better time, but not so much as you'd really nice or care about. They're just a rip off really. But different people see different things as worth a certain amount of money.

I'm happy spending lots of money on my canal phones but most of my friends think I'm slightly mad.

I don't know, G-Star is quite fashionable at the moment, but it's not expensive, so people who want to wear it can afford to, there is no point in faking it.

fashionable not amongst the high spenders though (i'd guess), i've personally no idea what g-star is or what products they make.

I guess it's a choice between lower high value sales, and higher low value sales, and each designer/label/whatever makes their own choice as to how to pitch their brand.

People are usually after a bargain. But some people look a little too far, as already said it's generally daft people who think they can get something for nothing.

Price is sometimes related to quality, Rolex will use much better components than Timex so it will keep better time, but not so much as you'd really nice or care about. They're just a rip off really. But different people see different things as worth a certain amount of money.

I'm happy spending lots of money on my canal phones but most of my friends think I'm slightly mad.

Timex probably uses a quartz crystal, so a rolex should be less accurate.
A rip off though... in that you don't get a product worth what you are paying, I don't think so or no one would buy them.

the characterisation of all people who buy expensive luxury goods as vain and stupid... possibly.

Where in my post did I say that? If you're going to engage in debate, pay a bit more attention to what is said!

fashionable not amongst the high spenders though (i'd guess), i've personally no idea what g-star is or what products they make.


LOL - they have a shop on Divison Street and just about every menswear shop stocks their stuff at the moment, when did you last buy clothes 1985 ?

p.s. There is another new brand you might want to look out for - Levis.

LOL - they have a shop on Divison Street and just about every menswear shop stocks their stuff at the moment, when did you last buy clothes 1985 ?

p.s. There is another new brand you might want to look out for - Levis.
ROFL!!

Choose your fake Louis Vuittons, gentleman. :hihi:

Where in my post did I say that? If you're going to engage in debate, pay a bit more attention to what is said!

I think it was roughly here;

One one side you've got stupid, vain people with more money than sense wearing the 'genuine' stuff

LOL - they have a shop on Divison Street and just about every menswear shop stocks their stuff at the moment, when did you last buy clothes 1985 ?

p.s. There is another new brand you might want to look out for - Levis.

yes nick, all my clothes are 11 years old, you rumbled me. :loopy:

A rip off though... in that you don't get a product worth what you are paying, I don't think so or no one would buy them.

Very true :) It's amazing what brand names can do!

I think it was roughly here;

You're not very bright, are you? I was referring to 'designer' clothing; I made no mention of any other luxury goods.

Why do people buy dodgy goods?
Because they are cheaper than the original, and you save a lot of cash in doing so.

[u]DVD's/Software/Games
This is where I agree with the pirates and dodgy copies.
For the price of packet of fags usually - you can own the latest copy of a movie, software like windows, or a game for a console- and usually most pirates produce them so they are EXACTLY like the original- they do the same thing although in the case of windows copies you dont have a legal license key- although the pirates I have seen use valid keys more than once to supply with windows.

So the argument could be- why pay £90+for windows when you can get it for under £5?
Why pay £30 for a console game when you can get it for less than £5

[U] ?

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probably 'cos the company developing them pay peoples wages to design & build the games.the others just nick & sell it .
no effort just like stealing from your handbag IMHO.
buying froma criminal makes you a criminal.

Very true :) It's amazing what brand names can do!

And not just with watches or clothes, what about Mercedes, BMW, Audi or Porsche ?

I noticed on an advert last night the new Proton was engineered by Porsche, I bet most Porsche owners wouldn't even consider it a car.

As Edina said - "Names, names, names darling."

most real porsche owners wouldnt consider a boxster never mind a proton.

Yes, I've heard of G-star. But then again, can it not be another Joe Blogg brand (?) It becomes popular, but then it dies down. Not sure about others, but when I buy things, or when my family buy things, we always look at where it is made. The quality of the item etc.

If you work in manufacturing, you know the quality Vs price chart. Call me stingy, but I'd always go for that high quality, low price mark. Always.

A friend that works in the clothing industry never buy any clothing items for full price, knowing how much it takes to make the item. The mark-up are sometimes incredibly high ! So much for fashion, eh ?

When it comes to designer bags, sometimes it's not a case of, 'I want to own an expensive bag' but a case of, 'guess whether this is a real bag or not'. ;) Only the trained eye knows whether it is... Actually, the friend who works in the fashion industry said that, no clothing can be the same as another, but the design would be varied cos of copyrights/patents. So a fake designer bag is never ever the same as the real one. There would be a slight flaw that allow it be different. It's pirated and the government clamps down on it because they use the real name of the company, which meant lawsuits. That's all.

Well, I don't always buy fake things. Maybe seconds, like the plates mentioned. I've yet to buy a fake designer bag myself. Though, I don't get why there are a lot of fake things out on the market. In HK, even soy sauce is fake ! Which is scary, but then again, I don't think the buyers know. It's been tested to say that batches do make their way through, and QA are not tested stringently... :rolleyes:

I don't know, G-Star is quite fashionable at the moment, but it's not expensive, so people who want to wear it can afford to, there is no point in faking it.

Ok i may have missed something here, and apologies if i have :thumbsup: but i don't think "everyone" will find G-Star jeans affordable. What are they? about £110 for a pair of jeans or something?
Were you comparing them to versace etc? if so then fair enough. im not having a go, im just asking.

Id pay that much for jeans, but not everyone would.

Ok i may have missed something here, and apologies if i have :thumbsup: but i don't think "everyone" will find G-Star jeans affordable. What are they? about £110 for a pair of jeans or something?
Were you comparing them to versace etc? if so then fair enough. im not having a go, im just asking.


Yes, I was comparing prices to "proper" designer stuff, like Dior, Versace, Donna Karen, Chanel etc, I don't consider G-star to be designer wear as such.

What are they? about £110 for a pair of jeans or something?

Please tell me this is in jest. Over £100 for a pair of jeans?:o

You're not very bright, are you? I was referring to 'designer' clothing; I made no mention of any other luxury goods.

Ah, the old, 'your not bright' comeback, I must be loosing the argument now :hihi:

Please tell me this is in jest. Over £100 for a pair of jeans?:o

What about this : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HERMES-30CM-GOLD-TOGO-LEATHER-BIRKIN-BAG-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ6879501645QQcategoryZ63852QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

Some Hermes bags cost £20,000+

probably 'cos the company developing them pay peoples wages to design & build the games.the others just nick & sell it .
no effort just like stealing from your handbag IMHO.
buying froma criminal makes you a criminal.

But it has not been proven has it at all that piracy is losing gaming companies money- check out EA for that matter.

It sells bucket loads of FIFA's and all the other rehashes year after year and piracy is not making a dent in its figures at all.

So I disagree with you.

Pirates I wouldnt class as criminals- to me the word criminal should be used by someone who has broken a major law ie: Murder, Rape, Burglary, Mugging anything like that I would class as a Class A criminal .. piracy - wouldnt even get into my C or D list- it does not hurt joe public in any way.

And to be honest if it means supporting someone I know has kids and a family to pay for- I would quite gladly give them my money for a DVD rather than £15 to some money grabbing company any day.

What about this : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HERMES-30CM-GOLD-TOGO-LEATHER-BIRKIN-BAG-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ6879501645QQcategoryZ63852QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

Some Hermes bags cost £20,000+

A fool and his money springs to mind;).

Why not buy a £50 handbag, and give the other £19,950(+) to a charity (or me:hihi:).

That's probably why i've never heard of them, I think £50 for a pair of jeans is extortion, i'd never even consider paying >£100.

A fool and his money springs to mind;).

Why not buy a £50 handbag, and give the other £19,950(+) to a charity (or me:hihi:).

Totally agreed!

They both do the same thing whether £50 or £20k... you still put the same stuff into them- yet one has a designer label on it....

Its madness!!

Pirates I wouldnt class as criminals- ..... - it does not hurt joe public in any way.

Does it not?

That's why the number of original games has been on the decline for years, or the constant "re-hashes" of older games (ie prettification of - say the games produced be EA Games, that you seem to favour as an example). Not good for the GP at all.

do any of you remember those people selling playstation game's on the moor anybody know happend to them?

That's probably why i've never heard of them, I think £50 for a pair of jeans is extortion, i'd never even consider paying >£100.

But the sports car you were planning to buy is equally over priced because of it's name, you must realise that ?

It's down to each person what they think is worth blowing large sums of money on, I'd buy trainers, you'd buy a sports car, Timo would buy expensive brandy (I'm guessing) and Diamondrava would buy hoop earings, each to their own.

That's probably why i've never heard of them

Me too. Doesn't sound like I'm missing much (other than the chance to get ripped off).


I think £50 for a pair of jeans is extortion

20 quid, tops:D.

Me too. Doesn't sound like I'm missing much (other than the chance to get ripped off).

20 quid, tops:D.

why stop there, ASDA sells pairs for £3

But it has not been proven has it at all that piracy is losing gaming companies money- check out EA for that matter.

It sells bucket loads of FIFA's and all the other rehashes year after year and piracy is not making a dent in its figures at all.

So I disagree with you.

Pirates I wouldnt class as criminals- to me the word criminal should be used by someone who has broken a major law ie: Murder, Rape, Burglary, Mugging anything like that I would class as a Class A criminal .. piracy - wouldnt even get into my C or D list- it does not hurt joe public in any way.

And to be honest if it means supporting someone I know has kids and a family to pay for- I would quite gladly give them my money for a DVD rather than £15 to some money grabbing company any day.


just 'cos you disagree doesn't make it right.
the law classes it as theft - so that makes you a criminal.
wot about movies if no one buys the dvd's the celeb's don't get the millions.

i know people who support kids by nicking stuff from cars? exactly the same to me.
theft.

just 'cos you disagree doesn't make it right.
Agreed :thumbsup:


the law classes it as theft - so that makes you a criminal.

I've bought something illegal - I dont think the police would be rushing to beat down my door to arrest me in a hurry... they have more pressing matters on their hands with real criminals.

wot about movies if no one buys the dvd's the celeb's don't get the millions.

They would still get their money from all the royalties as well.

i know people who support kids by nicking stuff from cars? exactly the same to me theft.

I agree to some extent- but this is stealing from a person in the public- pirates are not thieving from the public, they are ripping off companies.

But the sports car you were planning to buy is equally over priced because of it's name, you must realise that ?

It's down to each person what they think is worth blowing large sums of money on, I'd buy trainers, you'd buy a sports car, Timo would buy expensive brandy (I'm guessing) and Diamondrava would buy hoop earings, each to their own.

That's okay, I didn't critisice people for buying expensive things. I just felt like I had to defend my clothing purchasing habits as you seemed to think that everyone should have heard of g-shock.

I think my original contribution to the thread was to question the calculation that knock offs cost the governemnt £6 billion/year.

I bought the sports car Nick, it's no longer planning :D

do any of you remember those people selling playstation game's on the moor anybody know happend to them?

Why you after some :hihi:

Agreed :thumbsup:



I've bought something illegal - I dont think the police would be rushing to beat down my door to arrest me in a hurry... they have more pressing matters on their hands with real criminals.



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but if you let me have your name & address & that of your supplier i know someone who would pop round.FACT are extremely interested in the local supply chains.

i do agree it is a victimless crime which is why many "normal" people feel no regrets about doing it, but apart from that i still can't condone it.

Why you after some :hihi:

I used to buy games off them when i had a playstation

i do agree it is a victimless crime which is why many "normal" people feel no regrets about doing it, but apart from that i still can't condone it.
I'd disagree with it being victimless - everybody who pays for original products is the victim, because the prices reflect a percentage of lost revenue due to piracy, and the cost of pursuing piracy.

i do agree it is a victimless crime which is why many "normal" people feel no regrets about doing it, but apart from that i still can't condone it.

It's anything but a victimless crime. For instance, it's one of the major sources of income for terrorist groups around the world.

That dodgy DVD you buy today may well be funding the bomb attack on the UK tomorrow.

One day people will wake up and smell the cheese.

It's anything but a victimless crime. For instance, it's one of the major sources of income for terrorist groups around the world.

That dodgy DVD you buy today may well be funding the bomb attack on the UK tomorrow.

One day people will wake up and smell the cheese.

Not neccesarily. All it takes is one illegal filming in a US cinema, send it over and then copy it in an illegal copying studio. It can't be a particuarly foreign thing when all it needs in one American, one illegal copy press in Britain and then car boot sellers - who tend to be white.


Drugs, they are funding terrorism. Not fake DVDs.

I'm afraid that's sticking your head well and truly in the sand Doncastrian.

I'm afraid that's sticking your head well and truly in the sand Doncastrian.

Just can't see that much of a profit margin like in drugs. Epsecially as anyone can download a film and the prices of fake DVDs are cheap.

Suppose there could be some sort of underground terrorist movement in fake DVDs but surely only to widen the US trade deficet with the rest of the world and hamper GDP where movies are so vital in America. Don't see how they'd garner enough profits to wage a terrorist campaign.

Just can't see that much of a profit margin like in drugs. Epsecially as anyone can download a film and the prices of fake DVDs are cheap.

Suppose there could be some sort of underground terrorist movement in fake DVDs but surely only to widen the US trade deficet with the rest of the world and hamper GDP where movies are so vital in America. Don't see how they'd garner enough profits to wage a terrorist campaign.

Theres a huge profit to be had with pirated music and films. Massive.

It's anything but a victimless crime. For instance, it's one of the major sources of income for terrorist groups around the world.

That dodgy DVD you buy today may well be funding the bomb attack on the UK tomorrow.

One day people will wake up and smell the cheese.

On this occasion, I'm forced to agree with Tony.

I believe it is pretty well established that counterfeit goods/piracy have been a source of terrorist funding.

StarSparkle

Here's a few examples for you...

The former leader of the Vietnamese ‘Born to Kill’ gang, serving life for murder, claimed to have made US$13 million from the sale of Rolex and Cartier watches in New York’s Chinatown in the late 1990s.

The bombing of the World Trade Centre in 1993 is now thought to have been partly funded by the sale of counterfeit t-shirts on Broadway.

Known terrorist groups such as paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland have been connected with the use of the proceeds of counterfeiting and piracy to fund their activities.

Still no victim?

A DVD copying machine costs hundreds of thousands. This is BIG business for BIG criminals who are making BIG money at the expense of others.

The examples go on...

192,000 dead in China 2001 (fake drugs)
60 dead in Estonia 2001 (fake vodka)
thousands of dead babies worldwide each year (fake milk formula)

Fair enough, didn't realise it was so big.

Will think twice before getting a copy of the Da Vinci Code for £3 on Sunday at the racecourse car boot.

A DVD copying machine costs hundreds of thousands. This is BIG business for BIG criminals who are making BIG money at the expense of others.



I've got one in my pc that cost £30...

I've never seen any credible evidence that buying a dodgy dvd at the market funds anything other than the stall holders beer purchasing.

Of course most piracy takes place these days over the net and no body makes any money...

Here's a few examples for you...

The former leader of the Vietnamese ‘Born to Kill’ gang, serving life for murder, claimed to have made US$13 million from the sale of Rolex and Cartier watches in New York’s Chinatown in the late 1990s.

The bombing of the World Trade Centre in 1993 is now thought to have been partly funded by the sale of counterfeit t-shirts on Broadway.

Known terrorist groups such as paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland have been connected with the use of the proceeds of counterfeiting and piracy to fund their activities.

Still no victim?


A DVD copying machine costs hundreds of thousands. This is BIG business for BIG criminals who are making BIG money at the expense of others.

The examples go on...

192,000 dead in China 2001 (fake drugs)
60 dead in Estonia 2001 (fake vodka)
thousands of dead babies worldwide each year (fake milk formula)


Nothing relating to dodgy DVDs though (other than the IRA - who are no longer considered terrorists):D.

It's anything but a victimless crime. For instance, it's one of the major sources of income for terrorist groups around the world.

That dodgy DVD you buy today may well be funding the bomb attack on the UK tomorrow.

One day people will wake up and smell the cheese.


i think you got the wrong end of the stick Angelus & i were disputing the similarities to burglary. he thinks its not, i think its the same.
burglary is a more visible crime affecting people close to home, was the point i think he was making,which i couls appreciate.(although not agree on)

Fair enough willman :)

Cyclone, the one in your PC doesn't do it on an industrial scale. Neither does it print inserts, labels, etc. You know what I'm getting at without me having to go on. ;)

sccsux - the thread title is dodgy goods. Counterfeiters don't tend to choose a DVD career path rather than a fake baby formula career path. They just do whatever gets them the money that they want for drugs, houses, cars, guns, bombs, etc. :(

I find it incredible that people stick their head in the sand and justify it because it suits them to save a few bob.

People just want something for nothing. People are cheap SOB's - me included on occassion.

If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is, that means some poor schmuck is taking a hit somewhere down the line.

Cyclone, the one in your PC doesn't do it on an industrial scale. Neither does it print inserts, labels, etc. You know what I'm getting at without me having to go on. ;)

sccsux - the thread title is dodgy goods. Counterfeiters don't tend to choose a DVD career path rather than a fake baby formula career path. They just do whatever gets them the money that they want for drugs, houses, cars, guns, bombs, etc. :(

I find it incredible that people stick their head in the sand and justify it because it suits them to save a few bob.
Ouch. Going back to the point about DVDs. If one does it on a small scale for home use to one of a large scale which reaches the mass audience. Is it the same crime ?

Everyone say that counterfeits feed the terrorists, or drug barons, and whatnots, but who's to say that it doesn't feed individuals ?

If there were no pirated softwares, then I doubt that there'd be many IT 'consultants' out there... ;)

In an odd way, it's getting used to such softwares from closet coders which instilled a sense of loyalty to the brand. It's also why MS can reach such a large audience than any marketing plans would.

always buy of a respectable dealer

Everyone say that counterfeits feed the terrorists, or drug barons, and whatnots, but who's to say that it doesn't feed individuals ?
I just came across another thread elsewhere about a business using unlicensed softwares to resell the PCs. Is this kind of thing classed as criminal activity and should they be punished too ? Are they feeding the terrorists ? The buyer doesn't even know whether what she bought was legitimate. Can the PC be then classed as 'dodgy goods' ?

Also, what about the numerous companies that forget to renew their licenses, or find alternative way to 'make do' ? Is that classed as criminal behaviours ?

I just came across another thread elsewhere about a business using unlicensed softwares to resell the PCs. Is this kind of thing classed as criminal activity and should they be punished too ? Are they feeding the terrorists ? The buyer doesn't even know whether what she bought was legitimate. Can the PC be then classed as 'dodgy goods' ?

Also, what about the numerous companies that forget to renew their licenses, or find alternative way to 'make do' ? Is that classed as criminal behaviours ?


the answer to all your questions is yes.


a guy in london has just had £582,000 confiscated for selling fake reebok,gucci,louis vitton stuff.

But the sports car you were planning to buy is equally over priced because of it's name, you must realise that ?

It's down to each person what they think is worth blowing large sums of money on, I'd buy trainers, you'd buy a sports car, Timo would buy expensive brandy (I'm guessing) and Diamondrava would buy hoop earings, each to their own.

NICK2- if you have got a problem/ obsession with me then please PM me otherwise- stop bitchin' about me please. If its ''down to each person'' what they blow their money on- then why do u take each and every opportunity to call me a chav and slate me :confused: . and for the record- yes i am wearing hooped earings today :hihi:

and for the record- yes i am wearing hooped earings today :hihi:

I guessed you'd buy hooped earings, and you have, and your wearing them, so whats your problem exactly ?

I guessed you'd buy hooped earings, and you have, and your wearing them, so whats your problem exactly ?

i havent got a problem- i think you have. why even mention me in a thread i hadnt contributed to previously? i think you have a sexual obsession with chavs :suspect:

And let's all take a deeeeeep breath!

Now let's move on ;)

why even mention me in a thread i hadnt contributed to previously?

I don't know, why do you ?

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1147174&highlight=nick2#post1147174

On the subject of pirate disks etc, one of the biggest labels is such as Sony who also sell dvd/cd writers so they have kind of shot themselves in the foot so to speak.

Couple of Question for those against pirate disks!

When you bought your PC did you try to save money by asking just for a dvd reader rather than writer? same with cdrom?

If a friend of yours took you to the airport and you gave them a few quid, would that constitute to having taken a fake taxi?