at the roundabout at the bottom of ecclesall road, when wanting to turn right on to st marys gate, i get in the right hand lane early on. why though, do so many people intending to go right, queue up in the middle lane, and then at the last minute suddenly barge in to the right hand lane, usually without indicating? they know they're in the wrong lane, but the middle lane tends to move faster, so they think that they should be able to barge in infront of people like me who queue up properly. its so annoying, and is a move usually carried out by 4x4s and white vans.

....The fun of too many cars being on the road.....it has caused impatience amongst people to the point where its "Everyone to their own"

I had an old woman cut me up once...I got that angry I chased after her and she nearly crapped herself because I went right up her jacksy....not proud of it as I should not have let it get to me......but I totally understand your frustration here

try the m1 on a friday night near the m18... hooo boy, reps overtaking using the hard shoulder to scream onto the m18 sliproad, great fun.

or the associated dual carriageways near meadowhell, they're fun...

Originally posted by "AJCrowley"

reps overtaking using the hard shoulder ..

ROFL

I think that is a bit jobist (made up word, used when someone is pigeon holing someone because of their profession)

Just because someone is driving a car on a motorway with a suit on, doesn't mean they are a rep.

BTW I am not one either.

Anyway back on topic, you wanna see the school run where I live. Bedlam!!

4X4's mounting the kerb, parking on grass verges, its the only time these cars go off road. :D

This is the mentality
Must get as close as possible to the school to pick up little Johnny.
These cars are so big they wouldn't even see a toddler if there was one in front of the car.

Back to the roundabout at Ecclesall Road. I'm crap with road names so please be patient.

Imagine you are coming from the university, you go down the dual carriageway past the merc garage yes? Ok this is my absolute pet hate!

I get into the middle lane because I am going to come off the roundabout at safeway, I want to turn left into safeway. I HATE people who are in the right hand lane and then just as you're about to come off the roundabout, they just blatently cut you up. GET IN THE RIGHT LANE!!!

um, if it wears a suit, has a suit jacket on a hanger in the back. it's a Rep.

and if it isn't it's a turd burgling psycho who deserves to accidentally run into the back on a pantechnicon at 90 clicks.

boy racers who drive 6 inches off my plate, doddering old dears driving 35 in a 60 limit, dimwitted mothers with 6 kids in the car who probably don't have a licence, and obviously don't have any working wiring in their car coz they've never indicated in their lives, eejits with their headlights on sidelight setting, but have blazing bright fogs on, eejits who don't know what a dip switch is, or do know but have adjusted their dip beam so it *still* blinds everyone looking into it.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rant rant rant

oh, roundabouts, yes, i love roundabouts.

i'm going right, so i'll drive all the way round the roundabout in the *left* hand lane. that way the lorry trying to go straight on will wipe me out in a red hot ball of firey metal DEATH

i'm going straight on, so i'll use the middle or right hand lanes so i can skin the slowcoaches in the left. that way when i get to the exit i end up running over the keep left bollard and into the oncoming traffic. if i'm lucky.

the only ******** which can't get a roundabout wrong are those turning left.

Nuff said

Wouldn't like to cut you up mate. Probably finish up in some cauldron :D

Originally posted by "AJCrowley"

oh, roundabouts, yes, i love roundabouts.

[snip]
the only ******** which can't get a roundabout wrong are those turning left.

What about the drivers that go up the right hand lane (because it's moving faster) then do a 360 in order to go left.
:?:

Nomme

Must admit I have done that, the 360 trick. Its all legal and following the highway code isn't!

Please forgive me!

Originally posted by "nommedenet"


What about the drivers that go up the right hand lane (because it's moving faster) then do a 360 in order to go left.
:?:

Nomme

And your problem with them is? They're speeding up the flow of traffic, aren't they?

the most annoying ones are those who cut you up at roundabouts just to skip a few car lengths ahead of you. hardly anyone seems to be able to stay in the correct lane when using roundabouts, and the one at the bottom of ecclesall rd seems to be the worst. also, some roundabouts where the left hand lane is straight on and left, people queue up to go straight on, where the exit is 2 lanes merging into 1, and idiots use the right hand lane to go straight on so they can skip a few cars by barging in where the lanes merge. you have no choice but to let them in otherwise they're stranded, nearly on the wrong side of the road.

Apply these rule and you will be OK


1. If you are in front, you have right of way. (this is the unwritten rule in competative car racing)

if all else fails

2. He who dares, wins.

Leaving the Classic Rock Bar and going down Ecclesall Rd to the Roundabout in my 4x4 (God, I hope this post isn't aimed at me), if I want to go right, the middle lane is signposted for going straight on or turning right and the right lane is for turning right.

Due to the SHEER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC (don't you just love that expression?), this roundabout can often be a free for all. I tend to pick the middle lane as once I've got past the queue on Moor Street - all trying to get past the narrowing of the road roadworks (another gripe - why narrow a busy dual carriageway causing congestion at an even busier roundabout?) then I'm safely in the left hand lane to go off safely at the next turning.

I find that if I pick the right lane to turn right then someone from the queue to get onto Moor street changes their mind, pops out and tries to go round, undertake or whatever.

Fortunately I've not seen any tell tale signs of accidents on the tarmac (little twinkly piles of glass) so it looks like the motorists do tend to find their way through the whole messed up system.

Originally posted by "t020"

at the roundabout at the bottom of ecclesall road, when wanting to turn right on to st marys gate, i get in the right hand lane early on. why though, do so many people intending to go right, queue up in the middle lane,

Probably because they know the highway code :lol: From the middle lane you can go straight on or turn right - I always use the middle lane in my white 4x4 :twisted:

Originally posted by "Party Boy"

at the roundabout at the bottom of ecclesall road, when wanting to turn right on to st marys gate, i get in the right hand lane early on. why though, do so many people intending to go right, queue up in the middle lane,

Probably because they know the highway code :lol: From the middle lane you can go straight on or turn right - I always use the middle lane in my white 4x4 :twisted:

Nice one! do you have your Sun Newspaper and 20 Bensons on the Dashboard in your white 4x4 :lol:

He's quite right though, if there's road markings that say you can turn right using the middle lane, why queue up for longer in the right hand lane?

How can there be a middle lane, when at the roundabout, there are 4 lanes?

I don't know because I've never driven in Sheffield, but I'm sure you get what I mean.

Originally posted by "steelblade"

Back to the roundabout at Ecclesall Road. I'm crap with road names so please be patient.

Imagine you are coming from the university, you go down the dual carriageway past the merc garage yes? Ok this is my absolute pet hate!

I get into the middle lane because I am going to come off the roundabout at safeway, I want to turn left into safeway. I HATE people who are in the right hand lane and then just as you're about to come off the roundabout, they just blatently cut you up. GET IN THE RIGHT LANE!!!
Bit of contradiction there SB? LOL :lol:

LET ME CLARIFY THIS A LITTLE. at the bottom of eccy road there are FOUR lanes, thus no middle lane. before you reach the end there are three. the far right lane turns into 2 lanes - 1 straight on & right, and 1 just right. the left hand lane turns into just left turn, and the middle lane (of the 3 before they turn to 4) becomes straight on or left. knowing i'll be turning right, i stay in the right hand lane early on, and opt for the straight on & right lane when the lane splits into 2. however, this lane is often barged into without indication by people from the old middle lane, which is now 2nd from left lane. this happens without fail, and frequently.

ps. if u STILL dont understand what i mean, below is an attempted lane lay out when u reach the bottom of eccy road near the roundabout:

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3 lanes turn into 4. only the right hand lane from the 3 becomes 2 options for turning right, but middle lane drivers barge into the 2nd from left lane.

Originally posted by "nommedenet"

What about the drivers that go up the right hand lane (because it's moving faster) then do a 360 in order to go left.

Don't you mean 450 degree?

Hey.. everyone makes mistakes from time to time. :oops:

is it 450 degrees or 270 degrees?

if I am facing forward(12 o clock position) and do a turn to 9pm position in a clockwise direction this is 270 degree turn.

Anyway I dont think its a problem the drivers who do this.

is it 450 degrees or 270 degrees?

if I am facing forward(12 o clock position) and do a turn to 9pm position in a clockwise direction this is 270 degree turn.


incorrect. turning right all the way round a roundabout to take the 1st exit that was originally left is actually going through a 450 degree turn, assuming 4 exits all approximately 90 degrees apart. once round the roundabout would be the full 360 degrees, and then the extra 90 degrees to get to what was originally the 1st exit makes it 450 degrees.

i dont have a major problem with drivers doing this either, its better than going down the right hand lane and then at the roundabout forcing themselves into the left hand lane and holding people up who are forced to let them in.

Originally posted by "t020"

is it 450 degrees or 270 degrees?

if I am facing forward(12 o clock position) and do a turn to 9pm position in a clockwise direction this is 270 degree turn.


incorrect. turning right all the way round a roundabout to take the 1st exit that was originally left is actually going through a 450 degree turn, assuming 4 exits all approximately 90 degrees apart. once round the roundabout would be the full 360 degrees, and then the extra 90 degrees to get to what was originally the 1st exit makes it 450 degrees.

i dont have a major problem with drivers doing this either, its better than going down the right hand lane and then at the roundabout forcing themselves into the left hand lane and holding people up who are forced to let them in.


Still disagree t020
If I do a u turn on a roundabout its 180 degrees, therfore to go to the next exit is 270 degrees :D

Originally posted by "mikey"

is it 450 degrees or 270 degrees?

if I am facing forward(12 o clock position) and do a turn to 9pm position in a clockwise direction this is 270 degree turn.


incorrect. turning right all the way round a roundabout to take the 1st exit that was originally left is actually going through a 450 degree turn, assuming 4 exits all approximately 90 degrees apart. once round the roundabout would be the full 360 degrees, and then the extra 90 degrees to get to what was originally the 1st exit makes it 450 degrees.

i dont have a major problem with drivers doing this either, its better than going down the right hand lane and then at the roundabout forcing themselves into the left hand lane and holding people up who are forced to let them in.


Still disagree t020
If I do a u turn on a roundabout its 180 degrees, therfore to go to the next exit is 270 degrees :D

*snore*...................*snore*

:lol: :lol:

Originally posted by "mikey"

Still disagree t020
If I do a u turn on a roundabout its 180 degrees, therfore to go to the next exit is 270 degrees :D

pedantic git :lol: j/k (i know what you mean though :wink: ...)

only having a bit of fun Dabouncer.

Better than your private chat with Steelblade the other day in a post :D

That was double snore :wink:

Ganging up on me now eh

a bouncer and a web monkey, may need some support here :D

Sidla where are you!!!

Originally posted by "mikey"

only having a bit of fun Dabouncer.

Better than your private chat with Steelblade the other day in a post :D

That was double snore :wink:
At least ours was casual flirting... you guys are on about bloody degrees of turning! OMG! :lol:

You carry on, and mine was in General chit-chat too! :P

mikey, dont want to keep going on about it but you're wrong.

going round a full circle is 360 degrees, 180 degrees is half a circle, thus straight on. 450 degrees is going fully round and then another quarter.

You are both right, you have driven 450 degrees around, but are only
90 degrees from your starting point.

Only men could have this kind of conversation!

>Only men could have this kind of conversation!<

How true!

I'm saying nothing :wink:

How do you know I am a man, this is the internet :?

Originally posted by "steelblade"

>Only men could have this kind of conversation!<

How true!
What about when 2 or more women are in room together.... a man can't get a wordin for the 'constant' noise that's emanating from the mouths of the female of species.
It's like back n forth, back n forth, without coming up for air!

Astonishing!

Only men could have this kind of conversation!

if a man said something like that about women, they'd be hung, drawn and quartered by now....

>if a man said something like that about women, they'd be hung, drawn and quartered by now....<

Bring it on, I'm sure we can fight back, right Louise?

Of course we can :D

But it is supposedly true that men are better at spacial awareness than women, hence the debate you were having about degrees in a circle which us girlies found rather unappetising

(The correct answer IS 450 degrees though. If you are talking about going all round once plus an extra quarter.)

I'm gonna have to respond now a female is now in on the discussion.


Follow this experiment
1.Take something that resembles a car (mobile phone will do)
2. Face it forward so that the front is pointing to 12,o clock
3. Pretend you are at bottom of eccy rd
4. Now turn the car/object around in a clockwise direction until the front of the car is facing the 9 o clock point (left turn at the roundabout at eccy rd)

Question - How many degrees did the car/object rotate?

Originally posted by "mikey"

I'm gonna have to respond now a female is now in on the discussion.


Follow this experiment
1.Take something that resembles a car (mobile phone will do)
2. Face it forward so that the front is pointing to 12,o clock
3. Pretend you are at bottom of eccy rd
4. Now turn the car/object around in a clockwise direction until the front of the car is facing the 9 o clock point (left turn at the roundabout at eccy rd)

Question - How many degrees did the car/object rotate?
I make that 270 degrees! Am I wrong?

In your example that would be 270 degrees

But in actual fact you didnt start at 12 oclock, you started at 6 oclock

12 oclock is the straight on exit, two exits after yours, assuming the roundabout has only four exits

Sorry pal

yeah but going round a roundabout is not physically possible by flipping the car through 180 degrees. you have to drive around a circle = 360 degrees the full way around. get an angle measurer with a turnable circle. spin it the whole way round = 360 degrees.

a 4 exit round about:

exit one - 90 degrees.
exit 2 - straight on - 180 degrees.
exit 3 - right - 270 degrees.
exit 4 - back on urself - 360 degree full cycle.

by ur logic, what would straight on be? 90 degrees?!

ARGGGHHHHHHHHH STOP! :D It's hurting my brain all this angle/degrees stuff.

Originally posted by "steelblade"

ARGGGHHHHHHHHH STOP! :D It's hurting my brain all this angle/degrees stuff.
Glad a woman said that first! :lol: :lol:

Nice talking with you all

Now I am going home (via that big roundabout at the bottom of the University *VBG*)

Have a great weekend

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You too Louise.

count the degrees as you go round!

Exit 1 (Left) = 90 deg
Exit 2 (Straight On) = 0 deg
Exit 3 (Right) = 90 deg
Full turn of roundabout = 180 deg
Spin your car on the spot to face your original position = 360 deg

Originally posted by "Michael_W"

Exit 1 (Left) = 90 deg
Exit 2 (Straight On) = 0 deg
Exit 3 (Right) = 90 deg
Full turn of roundabout = 180 deg
Spin your car on the spot to face your original position = 360 deg
Lookin at it like that! I see your point! But do I care? NOPE :wink:

you're considering the rotation of the cars direction, not its movement around a circle.

get a protractor. point ur finger (the car) on 0 degrees (the start of the roundabout. move it round to 90 degrees (the first exit, left). move it round further to 180 degrees (straight on).

It's all relative DB :wink:

What can I say... do the mods ever close topics on here? :lol:

LMAO

You right t020, but so am I 8)

i suppose. 2 different ANGLES of looking at the same problem.

Yeah nuff said

You must have been pretty annoyed t020 to still be fuming about the road incident to post your original post at the time you did :shock:

hmmm. for some reason this forum shows a time thats one hour ahead to normal.... e.g. im posting this at 7pm but i'll bet it says posted at 8pm

I'd wished I hadn't pointed out the 360 degree flaw now. :roll:

The other day on Prince O.W.RD. I was in the right hand lane when a young girl driver in the left lane suddenly decided to move over. She put her ****** on and swerved immediately in front of me, not mirror, signal and manoeu'vre if it is safe, oh no, not her, she carried on oblivious to the fact she very nearly caused an accident. people like her should have an intelligence test before a driving test to see if there is anything up top.

There are a good few people still don't follow round the lines on the roundabout when going straight ahead. They use the right lane, cut across to the outside lane whilst on the round about and end up on the right-hand lane at the end and by doing so they hardly used the steering at all. I suppose it fine when no one is around, but some people just don’t realize that they are doing it when people are there. Part of the blame is that many roundabout lines are so worn out that they are not existent – Bochum roundabout near Jordanthorpe is the worst I’ve seen.

Another problem with people on Roundabout is that they indicate far too early giving you the impression that they are turning in at the exit before you but they are really indicating for the exit after you.

Right then, what's going on with the roundabout near Waitrose. I know it's been like it for ages, I keep expecting them to change the markings but they have not.
Heading up the ringroad (with Waitrose on your left), the middle lane is marked straight across or round, so I always use the middle lane to go along Charter Row as the road markins direct you that way. Most people get in the outside lane (closest to the central reservation), then they have to cut accross in front or into the side of you if you don't accelerate or break! These people then give you evil stares as if you are in the wrong! Is it just me? Who here uses the inside lane and is forced to cut people up?? Come on, own up!

Lol I know exactly what you mean Neeeeeek!
I use this roundabout tons of times everyday and have avoided SEVERAL near-misses from people using the inside lane incorrectly... Just cos I know what the fools are going to do!

Drives me potty I tell ya... Are flashing lights and horns not enough to make people wonder if they've just taken the wrong lane and almost caused a serious accident? Oooooh don't get me started!

the very left hand lane of this roundabout at the point which youre talking about is a left only lane isnt it? to go along ecclesall road. its plain to see to me ...straight on is middle lane .charter row is the far rightlane.maybe..:confused:

I think you've confused that a bit sunflower!
According to the signs, and the roadmarkings... The left hand lane (closest to waitrose) will take you left, onto ecclesall rd... Or straight on, in the outer lane, to hanover way... The middle lane will take you onto hanoverway also, but you'll end up in the right hand lane on hanover way, AND it also takes you right, towards atkinsons at the bottom of the moor... The right hand lane is to go all the way back around towards waitrose...

I think we may have a right hand lane cutter-acrosser here!

Sunflower may have got confused as I put inside lane not outside lane! I have edited my original post it to clear up any confusion. And for sunflowers benefit, I was refering to the lane closest to the central reservation that directs you all the way around the roundabout. (Hey Caprice, I bet your right but don't tell sunflower) ;)

ahem ! eee bye eck, now c'mon you lot just cos im a woman ! lol i never go all the way around that roundabout as i work on ecclesall road.and i go home via whirlow :hihi:

Originally posted by sunflower_gb
ahem ! i never go all the way around that roundabout as i work on ecclesall road.and i go home via whirlow :hihi:

Good! (By the sounds of it!) Sorry! lol

i might just let ya off lol ..all forgiven :D

I still think your guilty!

never in a million years........:nono:

Originally posted by caprice
I think you've confused that a bit sunflower!
According to the signs, and the roadmarkings... The left hand lane (closest to waitrose) will take you left, onto ecclesall rd... Or straight on, in the outer lane, to hanover way... The middle lane will take you onto hanoverway also, but you'll end up in the right hand lane on hanover way, AND it also takes you right, towards atkinsons at the bottom of the moor... The right hand lane is to go all the way back around towards waitrose...

I think we may have a right hand lane cutter-acrosser here!

Forgive me 'cus I don't use this r'about often..........

But are there not 2 exit lanes towards Atkinson's??

If so approaching from Bumall Lane, is it not correct to approach from centre of three lanes (for RHS exit of Hanover Way / or LHS exit towards Atkinsons) or RHS lane to exit towards A'kins in RHS exit (i.e. offside lane) ?

If the road towards Atkinsons has only one lane to exit......continue the discussion!!!

You would expect it to have 2 exits Charter row but it only has one. It seems that caprice and me are the only people who pay attention!! Your as bad as Sunflower!! ;)

lol now look ere , i use the left lane to turn left and go straight on and all the way round.whats wrong with that? cant any of you drive? lol ;) (of course i am jesting ):o

I suggest a mini forum meet outside Waitrose...

Neeeek and I shall wait with clipboards, with diagrams attached... Then we can show you the signs, the roadmarkings... Then fill out your sheet on your clipboard and we'll check you've got it right lol!

Good plan, we can pop in and get some Waitrose extra strong english cider while were there :D

well the curiosity has got the better of me i might go and look now while its quiet! lol:P

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
You would expect it to have 2 exits Charter row but it only has one. It seems that caprice and me are the only people who pay attention!! Your as bad as Sunflower!! ;)

Like I said I rarely use this roundabout and NEVER Charter Row - but has it only ONE exit lane??

Always thought this road had 2 lanes each way.

Enough of thid idle chit chat. I wan't to know who the numpties are that keep cutting us clever people up. OK to do it once as the roundabout is a bit strange, but until they correct it people should use the middle lane!

Ahhh, Fore has the courage to admit it! Yes, it only has one lane going onto charter row! Next time you nearly cause an accident cutting people up, DON'T GIVE THEM EVIL STARES!
:D

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Ahhh, Fore has the courage to admit it! Yes, it only has one lane going onto charter row! Next time you nearly cause an accident cutting people up, DON'T GIVE THEN EVIL STARES!
:D

Not admitted cutting anyone up at all - if however I did I probably see it coming to avoid rather than wearing blinkers.

However not using this exit at all I am ABSOLUTELY AMAZED it has only one exit lane and every other has two from the same roundabout.

What times the meeting!!!!!!!

I have a solution
The one exit on to Charter Row should be made a buses only then all the car drivers can go around to go towards St mary's roundabout and then up Arundel gate.
If you head up towards the uinversity roundabout just remember the road markings on that one have car drivers swapping lane with little or no warning at all.

I know what you mean, but from a different pespective..... heading into town on Ecclesall Rd when reaching the big roundabout at Waitrose, the lanes are set out clearly - from left to right they are: left only, straight ahead only, straight ahead or right, and right only. For some reason, people seem to think the middle lane when there's 3 (before it reaches the 4 lanes above) gives them the divine right to barge into the straight ahead or right lane, when in actual fact if they followed their lane properly they'd be in the straight ahead only lane. They usually do it to cut traffic but rarely bother to indicate and just barge in. If they don't manage to barge in before the roundabout they do so ON the roundabout and almost cause accidents.

I think the problem with that roundabout is that there are loads of lanes, and people seem to get easily confused at non-motorway roundabouts with more than 2 lanes. The markings are not perfectly aligned either. Coming down the A61 and turning right onto Ecclesall Road, the middle lane (of the three) could become the left or middle as you turn right ... the white lines just ... stop.

I do think Bramall Lane roundabout is worse though. Coming down and turning right into Bramall Lane, three lanes turn into one in the space of about 20 yards. That's just madness!

the problem with this roundabout isn't the lanes onto the roundabout next to waitrose, it's the 'off lane' at Charter Row.
The arrow outside Waitrose says right. on the roundabout sign, the 'right' is shown as Charter Row, so you can't really blame people for going in the right hand lane to turn right.
However, what is shown on sigposts and road markings as a two lane exit, is in fact a one lane exit.
Yes it's poor, but it's not really the fault of idiot drivers. More idiotic road markings.

Originally posted by Pook
Yes it's poor, but it's not really the fault of idiot drivers. More idiotic road markings.

There is a theory that the sheffield planning department designed the inner city road system by spilling noodles on a map and building roads where the stains were. Sounds about right to me ...

i have to admit, i never look at road markings on roundabouts, i just go by what i learned during my test and from the highway code..

if you're going left it's the left lane, right it's the right lane, and centre lane for anything else.. ergo, if i'm turning right at the waitrose roundabout i'll use the right lane..

regardless, i'm always concscious of other drivers when i'm on a roundabout, keeping a close eye on them in my mirrors.. i also indicate nice and early; even if this makes people think i'm coming off an exit early at least they'll get out of my way quick sharpish!

Originally posted by dirtybobby
i have to admit, i never look at road markings on roundabouts, i just go by what i learned during my test and from the highway code..

When did driving lessons stop telling you to observe road markings?!? :)

Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Enough of thid idle chit chat. I wan't to know who the numpties are that keep cutting us clever people up. OK to do it once as the roundabout is a bit strange, but until they correct it people should use the middle lane!

I might be an occasional cutter upper, but i do have a white van so it's ok. :D

Sheffield does have appalling road markings though.


It's the only city I can think of that doesn't have overhead gantry signs telling you which lane goes where. Road markings are no good when traffic is on top pf them.

Leeds (yep, them again) has gantry signs everywhere and as a result it's quite easy to get around. It's easy for locals to get lost in Sheffield these days, visitors must find it a nightmare.

Glad this has been mentioned because I've always wondered if it was marked wrongly or if I was missing something!

Not been driving long and at first I used left hand lane, thinking this would be correct but then had to cut into next lane over to go onto Charter...

Now I've realised the only way to do it is from the middle lane, but now have to dodge people cutting across from the left like I used to and like you're saying... I hate using that roundabout when it's busy!!

Let's go re-mark the lanes ourselves, hehe :)

Originally posted by spiffymonkey
When did driving lessons stop telling you to observe road markings?!? :)

that's how they teach you in the west midlands lol.. they also have an extensive exam on modifying your car with ridiculous bits of plastic and oversized wheels ;)

seriously, i'm sure cannock is boy racer capital of the world..

i tend to do what i consider the sensible option, which is to follow the flow of traffic.. whilst you are correct about the road markings, you are also correct in saying that most people are not aware of them/do not heed them.. therefore, i think it's safer to adopt a more "standard" approach to the roundabout and drive more in line with the other road users, regardless of the road markings..

Originally posted by dirtybobby
you are also correct in saying that most people are not aware of them/do not heed them.. therefore, i think it's safer to adopt a more "standard" approach to the roundabout and drive more in line with the other road users, regardless of the road markings..

Quite agree; when you can't even see the road markings, a bit of common sense never goes amiss. And that should especially go for the driver of the white Nissan who approached Eccy Road roundabout to turn left in the right hand lane, cutting up 3 lanes of traffic without batting an eyelid...

Originally posted by Pook
the problem with this roundabout isn't the lanes onto the roundabout next to waitrose, it's the 'off lane' at Charter Row.
The arrow outside Waitrose says right. on the roundabout sign, the 'right' is shown as Charter Row, so you can't really blame people for going in the right hand lane to turn right.
However, what is shown on sigposts and road markings as a two lane exit, is in fact a one lane exit.
Yes it's poor, but it's not really the fault of idiot drivers. More idiotic road markings.

Having had a look at this island today whilst using the ring road in both directions, I think Pook has hit the nail on the head.

I just had to look because (not using it myself) I could not believe Moore St / Charter Row had only one exit lane.

DID THE COUNCIL GET WHITE PAINT ON 'BUY ONE GET ONE FREE' AND DECIDE TO HATCH IT OFF INTO ONE?????????

Oh and Neek the topic says it all - the roundabout IS wrong.

I always think the 'bleeding' sort of lines they have are the best way of marking roundabouts.

You might not understand my description, but you'll have seen them. They're the ones where there are broken lines to show you where to change lane etc.

they have those bleeding lines on Park Sq if anybody's not sure what you mean

I use this roundabout every morning, and I also use the middle lane to turn on to charter row (as the white line says). I have noticed people i work with also use this roundabout and they used to use the right hand lane but are now using the middle lane.
I must admit it is a little confusing. :loopy: :)

Originally posted by owlsman
I use this roundabout every morning, and I also use the middle lane to turn on to charter row (as the white line says). I have noticed people i work with also use this roundabout and they used to use the right hand lane but are now using the middle lane.
I must admit it is a little confusing. :loopy: :)

Good good, spread the word!

caprice, it's not the drivers who are wrong, it's the road markings as you head on to the roundabout.

Originally posted by Pook
caprice, it's not the drivers who are wrong, it's the road markings as you head on to the roundabout.

I know that!!! The signs are ridiculous, trust me I may aswell make up a bed on the central reservation cos I use that roundabout so much!

But if everyone told a friend who uses the roundabout...and they told another friend... well there'd be less potential collisions... :thumbsup:

aye fair enough!

I don't think the line 'It's the road markings that are wrong' will help you keep your no claims bonus as you drive into the side of someone!!

if you can prove that the markings onto the rounabout show a two lane exit, and the markings off it are a one lane exit I think you may have an argument.

Wouldn't it be better if people used the right hand lane for turning right and the middle lane for going straight on? It would only take a bit of black paint to sort it out...

Anyway what about the lanes at the end of Ecclesall Road. There are two lanes for turning right towards Bramall Lane and two lanes to receive you as you leave the roundabout - so far so logical. However, if you use the left of the two options as you approach the roundabout and follow the markings round, you end up in the right of the two exit lanes. Therefore anyone who is using the right lane to turn right (fancy that) gets cut up.

This would be the same if Moore St. towards town exit had two lanes rather than one. So we either need lanes like at Park Square that feed you out to the left as you follow them or maybe if the roundabout was only 2 lanes wide... You would have longer tailbacks as you approach the roundabout, but I suspect the traffic would move quicker as you wouldn't need such a big gap to get across the lanes safely.

Has anyone checked out the lane situation for the new section of the ring road? I think forumers should use their collective common sense to go through the design with a fine-tooth comb. It's on the SCC website if you've got a spare hour or two. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by NicholasB
Wouldn't it be better if people used the right hand lane for turning right and the middle lane for going straight on? It would only take a bit of black paint to sort it out...

Anyway what about the lanes at the end of Ecclesall Road. There are two lanes for turning right towards Bramall Lane and two lanes to receive you as you leave the roundabout - so far so logical. However, if you use the left of the two options as you approach the roundabout and follow the markings round, you end up in the right of the two exit lanes. Therefore anyone who is using the right lane to turn right (fancy that) gets cut up.

This would be the same if Moore St. towards town exit had two lanes rather than one. So we either need lanes like at Park Square that feed you out to the left as you follow them or maybe if the roundabout was only 2 lanes wide... You would have longer tailbacks as you approach the roundabout, but I suspect the traffic would move quicker as you wouldn't need such a big gap to get across the lanes safely.

Has anyone checked out the lane situation for the new section of the ring road? I think forumers should use their collective common sense to go through the design with a fine-tooth comb. It's on the SCC website if you've got a spare hour or two. :thumbsup:

I've noticed that too, as well as my previous mention of drivers in a last ditch effort to barge into the right hand lane at the bottom of Ecclesall Rd. I think the council should take a good read of this thread and do something about it. I've had a few near misses on that roundabout (none my own fault, of course..).

Edit - in fact, I made a thread about it over 2 years ago here: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1086

Originally posted by t020
I've noticed that too, as well as my previous mention of drivers in a last ditch effort to barge into the right hand lane at the bottom of Ecclesall Rd. I think the council should take a good read of this thread and do something about it. I've had a few near misses on that roundabout (none my own fault, of course..).

Edit - in fact, I made a thread about it over 2 years ago here: http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1086

Why not ask the Mods to merge that thread with this one? It would make sense as it's the same subject matter.

Originally posted by Rich
Why not ask the Mods to merge that thread with this one? It would make sense as it's the same subject matter.

That's the moderators' call.

Personally, I find a lot of roundabouts to be a problem where lane/signpost markings are concerned.

Example 1: In Rotherham there is a roundabout at the end of Centenary Way. There are five roads onto it. As you approach from Tinsley direction you are confronted with three lanes. There are four possible exits for you to take off the roundabout - one at 90 degrees to your left (so that'll be the left hand lane you want:thumbsup: ), one at 90 degrees to your right (so that'll be the right hand lane you want :thumbsup: ), and two exits which go off almost directly opposite - one slightly left and one slightly right - none go straight across. Now if I want to take one of these roads, do I take the middle lane? NO!!!! The road which goes off slightly to the left can only be accessed from the left hand lane:loopy: Of course, we are all mind-readers aren't we? Do these road marking painters only know how to paint straight lines and right angles?

Example 2: At Meadowhall there is a roundabout where you join Sheffield Rd by the Sainsbury Garage. It is at the end of a dual carriageway. There is a left lane signed to turn left only by road and signpost markings. No problem there:thumbsup: . However, there are two other lanes telling you that they are for right turners. The problem is, if you take the centre lane to go right you end up in the right hand lane of Sheffield Rd heading to town......but if you take the right hand lane to turn right you end up doing a 'U' turn and heading back towards where you just came from:confused:

Of course, once you've made the mistake you learn and take the proper lane next time.:clap: Problem is - and you can bet your next lottery win - that the driver who has just cut you up / given you the finger / tooted their horn /punched you, is taking that roundabout for the first time and like you before them hasn't got a clue what bloody lane they are supposed to be in because the geezer with the paint can only do straight lines and right angles.:rant: :loopy:

Mod: Threads merged. Thanks for the link!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guest
....The fun of too many cars being on the road.....it has caused impatience amongst people to the point where its "Everyone to their own"[QUOTE]

No it isnt, it's shocking road markings.

Originally posted by Sidla
He's quite right though, if there's road markings that say you can turn right using the middle lane, why queue up for longer in the right hand lane?

because the right hand lane splits into 2 for right turners, the middle lane should allow right turners, as half of the people going down Ecclesall Rd/Moore St turn right.

Originally posted by djash1000
because the right hand lane splits into 2 for right turners, the middle lane should allow right turners, as half of the people going down Ecclesall Rd/Moore St turn right.

But it doesn't, so people shouldn't just take it upon themselves to barge their way into the right lane near the roundabout at the traffic lights, as is the case.

Originally posted by t020
But it doesn't, so people shouldn't just take it upon themselves to barge their way into the right lane near the roundabout at the traffic lights, as is the case.

I know they shouldnt but, it is badly marked, and badly arranged, so people will..

i agree, they shouldnt, it does my head in too, but if it was remarked, it would speed traffic up, lessen problems of road rage (on a small scale) and reduce near misses. Why do they have 2 lanes designated to going straight ahead, when there is now only one lane entry to it (charter row)??

Originally posted by djash1000
Why do they have 2 lanes designated to going straight ahead, when there is now only one lane entry to it (charter row)??

They don't do they? From left to right I thought it was left only, straight ahead or left, right, right?

Originally posted by t020
They don't do they? From left to right I thought it was left only, straight ahead or left, right, right?

nope.

at the four lanes

left left only
next left left and ahead
next one ahead and right
right right only

Originally posted by djash1000
nope.

at the four lanes

left left only
next left left and ahead
next one ahead and right
right right only

No, the 2 right lanes of the 4 that stem from the right lane of the 3 are both right only now. They changed the markings on them about a year or so ago.

Originally posted by t020
No, the 2 right lanes of the 4 that stem from the right lane of the 3 are both right only now. They changed the markings on them about a year or so ago.

oh ok, ive havent seen the road markings in the last year, cause there always covered by cars, or i'm watching for people trying to cut me up.

Originally posted by djash1000
oh ok, ive havent seen the road markings in the last year, cause there always covered by cars, or i'm watching for people trying to cut me up.

Yes - it definitely requires soom good sign posts to indicate the lanes since it's nearly always bumper to bumper covering the road markings.

Also the lanes on the roundabout need to be more carefully thought out - as pointed out previously, if you follow the lanes on the roundabout, the left most of the 2 right lanes guides you into the right lane of 2 lanes on St Mary's gate. Suffice to say this means that the right most of the 2 right lanes doesn't actually lead to St Mary's gate at all. Seasoned Sheffield drivers realise this and adapt accordingly, but it's definitely dangerous for newcomers. Sheffield Council take note.

Has anybody else noticed the little arrow in the middle lane (for turning right on to charter row) has been removed and is now just an arrow for going straight on(hanover way)??

I only noticed this the other day, i dont know when it was changed.
So now we have to use the right hand lane to go on to charter row? :confused: :loopy:

I hope not. :(

Ecclesall Rd roundabout is a gyratory that works well if people use it correctly, ie get in the right lane and it will spin you off in the right place. Unfortunately, few people seem to realise this which causes all sorts of problems.

The root cause of this IMO is the total lack of overhead gantry signs on any of Sheffield's roads. The Council know this, but well, there we go.

If that arrow has gone it sounds like the traffic planners may have resigned themselves to road users being stupid.

Originally posted by owlsman
Has anybody else noticed the little arrow in the middle lane (for turning right on to charter row) has been removed and is now just an arrow for going straight on(hanover way)??

I only noticed this the other day, i dont know when it was changed.
So now we have to use the right hand lane to go on to charter row? :confused: :loopy:


No, you use the lane second from the left of the 4 lanes, which is clearly arrowed as straight on.

just to completely change the subject of ecc rd r'bout....

this is more important!!(well identicaly similar actually)


ok.... your driving up brook hill (from west bar) towards r'bout....
(indian on the right, old jessops on the left)

you want to go up winter street....(3rd exit)

why do people get in the right hand lane, then cut across.... and then beep you, when you turn down netherthorpe rd/ or winter st , thinking your in the wrong!!!

the 2nd right lane indicates, that you can turn right (netherthrpe rd) but you get cut across from these people!!!

sounds compicated, but im sure every sheffield driver, will understand me, if after reading a couple of times!

ash

Well said djash1000. That annoys me too.

The problem is that people don't look at road markings or use any common sense - they just assume.

And I'm suer that you've heard the saying 'to assume make an ass out of you and me' (ASS/U/ME for the uninitiated!)

Originally posted by t020
No, you use the lane second from the left of the 4 lanes, which is clearly arrowed as straight on.
4 lanes :confused: Im sure its 3!:)

Originally posted by owlsman
4 lanes :confused: Im sure its 3!:)

No, there are 3 lanes along the road until it reaches the traffic lights just before the roundabout, at which point the right hand lane splits into 2 right-turn lanes, the middle lane is straight on, and the left hand lane is left-turn. Everyone from the middle lane tends to barge in infront of people who have been queueing up properly in the right hand lane to go right at this point.

Originally posted by djash1000
just to completely change the subject of ecc rd r'bout....

this is more important!!(well identicaly similar actually)


ok.... your driving up brook hill (from west bar) towards r'bout....
(indian on the right, old jessops on the left)

you want to go up winter street....(3rd exit)

why do people get in the right hand lane, then cut across.... and then beep you, when you turn down netherthorpe rd/ or winter st , thinking your in the wrong!!!

the 2nd right lane indicates, that you can turn right (netherthrpe rd) but you get cut across from these people!!!

sounds compicated, but im sure every sheffield driver, will understand me, if after reading a couple of times!

ash


Brook Hill is a so and so when approached from Broad Lane.

First of all there are five exits.

Second about 75% of the traffic at busy times seems to exit towards Broomhill.

Winter Hill exit from is 3rd when roundabout is approached from Broad Lane and therefore can legitimately be approached from RH (3rd) lane IMHO. Especially if you don't want to queue back on to the roundabout when Broomhill exit is jammed (as frequently happens). If use the St Philip's exit eg if I'm going to Tesco on the way home, I always use the right hand lane - I would never dream of approaching in the middle lane - that is just going to cause problems.

Yes the road markings allow you turn down St Philips from the middle lane approach, but for everybody elses sake use a bit of common and use the rh lane please.

...........i dont drive :)

Originally posted by owlsman
Has anybody else noticed the little arrow in the middle lane (for turning right on to charter row) has been removed and is now just an arrow for going straight on(hanover way)??

I only noticed this the other day, i dont know when it was changed.
So now we have to use the right hand lane to go on to charter row? :confused: :loopy:

T020 - Read this post again - owlsman is talking about the St Marys Gate approach to this roundabout, where you would turn right into Charter Row. This is a three-lane approach which, the last time I used it, was as follows:

Lane One: Left (into Ecc Road) and Straight On (Hanover Way)

Lane Two: Straight on (Hanover Way) and Right (Charter Row)

Lane Three: Right only (Charter Row and U-turns back onto St Marys Gate for those joining the ring road from London Road.

Now the problem there is that Charter Row is only one lane when you come off the roundabout, but from the St Marys Gate approach, there are two lanes of traffic directed onto it, which is a woeful mistake.

What I think owlman is saying is that Lane Two is now STRAIGHT ON ONLY, so now there is only the right hand lane for right and u-turning traffic - which is a good idea - and about bloody time!

Originally posted by dinp
T020 - Read this post again - owlsman is talking about the St Marys Gate approach to this roundabout, where you would turn right into Charter Row. This is a three-lane approach which, the last time I used it, was as follows:

Lane One: Left (into Ecc Road) and Straight On (Hanover Way)

Lane Two: Straight on (Hanover Way) and Right (Charter Row)

Lane Three: Right only (Charter Row and U-turns back onto St Marys Gate for those joining the ring road from London Road.

Now the problem there is that Charter Row is only one lane when you come off the roundabout, but from the St Marys Gate approach, there are two lanes of traffic directed onto it, which is a woeful mistake.

What I think owlman is saying is that Lane Two is now STRAIGHT ON ONLY, so now there is only the right hand lane for right and u-turning traffic - which is a good idea - and about bloody time!

You're quite right - I thought he was referring to the bottom of Ecclesall Rd.