up till recently i thought the younger generation were given a hard time by the likes of me a 43 year old with kids and a granddaughter i got on a bus yesterday coming from the match and saw an old lady getting on the bus with her shopping she was quite wobbly on her feet and as i got up 2 helpher 2 lads about 15 or16 pushed her aside as i approached them and asked what they thought they were doing they just sniggered so foolishly i grabbed one with the scruff of the neck and made him apolagise 2 the old dear then i didnt mince my words in telling him wot would happen if he did it again i probably shoudnt have done this but a lot of this age group seem 2 be little ****s who think there tough and have no respect 4 anyone

although this is not everyone that age i know what you mean but most of them seem to be lads (who think there hard cos they have nike trainers and tracksuits)

personally i think that anyone wearing the typical scally uniform should be shot:


Nike SHOX trainers or Rockport shoes, tracky bottoms tucked into white sport socks, ben sherman or teddy smith stripey jumpers and stupid two tone Nike caps...

oh and usually a bit of crappy imitation gold jewellery....

i wudnt P**s on em if they were burning...

If U are a parent, i beg of you, make sure ur kids dont end up like this...

thank god i thought it was only me what thought like that ive noticed aswell they all seem 2 be pasty and spotty little gits who look like theyd pinch your grannies wooden leg

It's not fair to tar all teenagers with the same brush, I agree there are plenty of "little ****s" out there, but it's not the majority.

Yeah, I agree with rosie. Its the minority who spoil it for the majority in this case.

Sometimes it seems that the problem is that no-one considers the other side of the coin...

"Young kids... GET no respect"...

It's a two way street...

Originally posted by Martin_s
Sometimes it seems that the problem is that no-one considers the other side of the coin...

"Young kids... GET no respect"...

It's a two way street...

respect has to be earned:loopy: :loopy: :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:

respect has to be earned

Yes, it does I agree. But surely the more mature should be the ones setting the example where respect is concerned... If they give a little they may get some back.
You can't expect a "scally" disrespectful teen to start dishing out the respect when s/he has never received any and doesn't know the meaning of the word. Unfortunately, some kids are dragged up and don't get taught things that the rest of us know about, like respect, value of community etc...

I think there have been some changes in the last 20 years generally. I'm not sure if it's down to respect or not. Certainly as a small child I don't remember people offering me lots of respect, afterall I was a child. But i'm pretty sure I never made smart comments or even spoke to random adults...

In the last few weeks children between the ages of 5 and 12 have made random comments to me... Nothing particularly offensive, it just surprised me that they said anything. Once as I washed my car and a random group walked past someone shouted 'nice car mister' and the second time, gone 11 in the evening when they should surely have been in bed as I walked my parents dog up the field "evenin'".

i think the generall trend nowadays with a certain % is 2 get as much as u can with the minimum amout of effort which lends itself 2 theft ete therfore shwing no resoect for anybody or there property

Originally posted by bandit
personally i think that anyone wearing the typical scally uniform should be shot:


Nike SHOX trainers or Rockport shoes, tracky bottoms tucked into white sport socks, ben sherman or teddy smith stripey jumpers and stupid two tone Nike caps...

oh and usually a bit of crappy imitation gold jewellery....

i wudnt P**s on em if they were burning...

If U are a parent, i beg of you, make sure ur kids dont end up like this...

do you mean people like this http://www.chavscum.co.uk/ ?

Originally posted by brooksy
i think the generall trend nowadays with a certain % is 2 get as much as u can with the minimum amout of effort which lends itself 2 theft ete therfore shwing no resoect for anybody or there property

is there something wrong with your keyboard?

no theres something wrong with me im not your typical intellectual who frequents this site ok pal

i don't think i call most of the people here all that intellectual. Some of them, but not most, pal.

I think the problem is that the badly behaved minority are the ones most people tend to notice, and then people start thinking all kids or teenagers are badly behaved.

The minority who like to stand outside drinking and swearing and chucking glass bottles all evening keeping my kids awake are obviously more noticeable than the majority who aren't doing that!

Well done Brooksy, too many of as suffer in silence.

I don't suffer in silence! I have a very good aiming position from bedroom window with my mega-blaster water-gun! lol

Originally posted by brooksy
foolishly i grabbed one with the scruff of the neck and made him apolagise 2 the old dear then i didnt mince my words in telling him wot would happen if he did it again i probably shoudnt have done this but a lot of this age group seem 2 be little ****s who think there tough and have no respect 4 anyone
Well done mate, this is exactly what some of the badly behaved kids need these days; discipline.

Originally posted by f_g
although this is not everyone that age i know what you mean but most of them seem to be lads (who think there hard cos they have nike trainers and tracksuits)
Nah, I disagree. I was on a bus a couple of months ago, and there were some girls sitting at the back of the bus. Some of the language they were coming out with was absolutely dispicable, especially for their age. Some girls can be just as bad as boys, if not worse.

Originally posted by brooksy
up till recently i thought the younger generation were given a hard time by the likes of me a 43 year old with kids and a granddaughter i got on a bus yesterday coming from the match and saw an old lady getting on the bus with her shopping she was quite wobbly on her feet and as i got up 2 helpher 2 lads about 15 or16 pushed her aside as i approached them and asked what they thought they were doing they just sniggered so foolishly i grabbed one with the scruff of the neck and made him apolagise 2 the old dear then i didnt mince my words in telling him wot would happen if he did it again i probably shoudnt have done this but a lot of this age group seem 2 be little ****s who think there tough and have no respect 4 anyone

A lot of children today are dead ignorant, arrogant, selfish, rude, bigheaded and totally out of control. This is the fault of parents, because they don't use any disclipine or teach them any standards of behavoir, also, the law is an ass for not allowing them to be controlled at school, when is the law going to realise that all children have to be corrected at times?

It's all this PC malarkey, at one time they'd give a naughty kid a clip round the lugholes and nobody would bat so much as an eyelid, these days a teacher's only got to look at a kid funny and the parents are straight round bitching to the Chief Sir or Miss about teachers bullying their kids...

All cos the human rights people have banned smacking... Pfft, I'd hardly call a quick scutch round the ear a smack :loopy:

Couple of questions...

- Are any of you parents?

- Are any of you quite happily contemplating the thought of YOUR child being manhandled or thwapped by someone who takes offense?

- If you are a parent are you telling me your child NEVER backchatted or acted out in public...


C'mon... this whole passing the buck thing is just unreal in the extreme... it's society as a whole to blame.. you, me, the whole kit and kaboodle...

Even this whole topic argues quite effectively that we don't value kids or even give them a chance at all... This instant "they're all scrotes" bandwagon jumping immediately reinforces the impression that they have nothing to offer so why bother even trying... uphill struggle from the start...

were not all that bad are we?! :(

Originally posted by SatanInHeels
were not all that bad are we?! :(
Nope... which is my whole point...

This whole brush -> tar thing just does my head in...

Let's just introduce a policy of shooting anyone seen wearing/buying a Burberry baseball cap :twisted:

Originally posted by JonnyBoy
Let's just introduce a policy of shooting anyone seen wearing/buying a Burberry baseball cap :twisted:

No... anyone wearing/buying ANY baseball cap! :idea:

Yeah, that sems fair come to think of it! :D

just 2 reply 2 martin s yes iam aparent, 4 kids 25 down 2 13 so i think i mighnt have some idea of what im on about. first of all my kids have given me the usuall probs, boyfriends, girlfriends ,money . the one thing i have never had aproblem with is behavour , never no probs with police,ie stealing , drugs ete idont take credit 4 that because they are all basically fairly intelligent kids who no right from wrong. they respect there parents, family and friends . as 2 your comment on a clip round the earole let me tell u when i grew up on attercliffe in the late 60s if u and your mates were out off order u were likely 2 get a clip of the local copper and if u were daft enough 2 tell your parents u got another one 4 good measure. the generall problem as i see it is theres 2 many dogooders and not enough people ready 2 stand up 2 this element however small . its very easy 4 sum of these people 2 go around doing what they want , its only when they get dropped on they start winging and crying and all these soft centerd dogooders start sticking up 4 them

Originally posted by f_g
although this is not everyone that age i know what you mean but most of them seem to be lads (who think there hard cos they have nike trainers and tracksuits)

also known as chavs or Townies

im a 15 yr old and i know what everyone means. there are some right t**ts about, most of em 14, which is a shame. we (at school) have to put up with them and we get privliges taken off us all the time.

the problem is in the schools they get more privliges and lee way then any other kid because they are 'hard' and dont want to learn!

there is a kid in my class who walks in 10 mins late for a lesson and the teacher asks no questions on where he has been or anything she just tells him to sit down and do work, which he doesnt do then if she challanges him to do it he swears at her and walks off! oh and geuss what, nothing is done because he is a thick hard kid!

one of my mates go started on a few weeks ago and he stood there and said "look mate, i dont want a fight but if your insisting ill give you a mental fight ok?" the guy stood there dumbstruck and just stood there. my mate carried on ,"what is being hard going to do for you mate? its not gonna get you a job is it? no, so F*** off over there and get somne brains" the kid still dumbstruck said "dont get cheeky with me!" turned around and buggered off!! was weel funny

Originally posted by Martin_s
- Are any of you quite happily contemplating the thought of YOUR child being manhandled or thwapped by someone who takes offense?

- If you are a parent are you telling me your child NEVER backchatted or acted out in public...
Are you telling me you never received a smack when you were a child? In hindsight do you not think you benefitted from it?

Originally posted by brooksy
just 2 reply 2 martin s yes iam aparent,
Believe it or not my comments were aimed more at the general thread than any one person.. The prevailing attitude of a lot of people on here has been one of "young kids are all little sh*ts" irrespective of their behaviour...

as i see it is theres 2 many dogooders and not enough people ready 2 stand up 2 this element however small . its very easy 4 sum of these people 2 go around doing what they want , its only when they get dropped on they start winging and crying and all these soft centerd dogooders start sticking up 4 them
Given your comments on the news thread I'm assuming you've popped me in the "do-gooder" category which suits me fine... At the end of the day I'm pragmatic about things... If you were sitting there hearing about a social worker who was slapping kids around, the screams of abuse would be heard for miles... there are rules to be followed so whether it's common sense respect or laws, I'm pretty sure that's what most parents want their own kids to do...

... and for the record I've worked with kids, people with special needs, mental health patients and old people... Above all else I've had to learn patience and to try to look beyond the immediate surface BS... You'd be amazed what you'd find if you actually take the time... and yes I know full well that there are some people who are completely beyond help...

That's my opinion...



Sidla...

Got one wack across the head... simply didn't get into trouble or more to the point, get caught... I tended to learn from my mistakes the hard way... Get drunk -> get a hangover, stay out too late -> get grounded... Not everyone needs to be beaten to stay in line.

Originally posted by Martin_s
stay out too late -> get grounded... Not everyone needs to be beaten to stay in line.
But other forms of discipline don't always work. You may be able to ground children, but how do you enforce it?

Originally posted by Sidla
But other forms of discipline don't always work. You may be able to ground children, but how do you enforce it?
True.. but we're drifting off into a whole other topic... ie: "why has corporal punishment been banned?"

Potted version... domestic/physical abuse and to a certain extent the push of the horror at sexual abuse too...

A line was drawn and then it became really difficult to say what was and wasn't acceptable so now any form of striking is out... So, what's the alternative? bring back corporal punishment and then start letting abusers (and I mean the REAL abusers here) off because it could be argued away as coporal punishment...

The word "minefield" springs to mind... and there's no easy answers...

do you think that banning corporal punishment (do you mean in scotland, it isn't illegal for parents to smack children over 3 in england) has actually made people who abuse children stop?

Did they see the change in the law and think "Oh, I realise that what i'm doing is wrong now, so i'll stop". Or did they think "I was already breaking the law before, this new law changes nothing".

It's like the stupid knee jerk reaction of banning handguns, it has done nothing except punish some people who hadn't done anything.

Parents should have the right to physically punish their child. Otherwise what tools do they have to enforce discipline, it's the ultimate sanction to apply to your offspring.

(I'm not a parent, I was smacked when I was naughty as a child. And I'm glad I was).

Originally posted by Cyclone
do you think that banning corporal punishment (do you mean in scotland, it isn't illegal for parents to smack children over 3 in england) has actually made people who abuse children stop?

Did they see the change in the law and think "Oh, I realise that what i'm doing is wrong now, so i'll stop". Or did they think "I was already breaking the law before, this new law changes nothing".
Did you actually stop to think this through?

The reasoning behind such a law is simply to make it easier to identify and therefore prosecute those that continue to physically abuse children... It probably doesn't make them stop to think anymore than it did... but it certainly stops some nifty lawyer turning round and saying "it was a punishment for something bad the child did your honour, now set my client free", when they've been caught doing it.

Aside from anything else you're assuming I'm against corporal punishment in any form... erm.. wrong.. but I can at least appreciate why perhaps the line's been drawn..

All kids are given the opportunity to show themselves in a good light by all reasonable adults, however, there are the ones out there who broadcast their position with their attitudes and dress code. When making that statement they should be aware that they will incurr the immediate suspicion of all reasonable adults when ever problems arise within their immediate locale.Most of these whinging youths complain about being picked on by society and the police but they are the one's asking for it!
It's not hard to vandalise someone's property, it's not hard to swear at some one who's just asked them to shut up, it's not hard to give some lip to a policeman, what is hard is having the nerve and bravery to aplogise to someone who they've harmed and never to do it again.
What is harder is taking responsibility for themselves and their futures, unfortunately some of the youth out there haven't got the guts to do it!

Originally posted by Martin_s
Did you actually stop to think this through?

The reasoning behind such a law is simply to make it easier to identify and therefore prosecute those that continue to physically abuse children... It probably doesn't make them stop to think anymore than it did... but it certainly stops some nifty lawyer turning round and saying "it was a punishment for something bad the child did your honour, now set my client free", when they've been caught doing it.

Aside from anything else you're assuming I'm against corporal punishment in any form... erm.. wrong.. but I can at least appreciate why perhaps the line's been drawn..

Did this ever really happen. I've heard the argument before, and logically it's sound. But I think it's a fallacy. Normally abuse that is prosecuted is so far across this 'line' that has been drawn that no defense of reasonable chastisement would have ever held up in court. All it's achieved is another step towards the nanny state and removal of some authority and power from parents.
I'm sure it's worried more parents and caused discipline to slip a hell of lot more than it's secured convictions for abuse.

This seems a bit off topic to me! Possibly should be moved to another thread? I dunno.

Well I still feel that teenagers get a very bad press, and although I'm not really in the age range you're talking about, it's only a few wee years since I was, being at the top-ish end of the teenager spectrum.

I would be the first to agree that there are a large number of irritating, abusive, disrespectful 'scallies', but the rest, who keep their heads down (relatively!), don't get much respect either. The amount of times I have seen an older person 'tut' at me on the bus for asking someone to move their bag so I could sit down, for example, or been shouted at by a driver because 'you kids are all the same' when I didn't have the exact change (as you can tell, I also have an issue with buses!), it drives me mad.

It seems Ok for people to be blatently agist and discriminatory against younger people, but if I said 'old people are all rude and spit when you walk past', it would recognised in a different way.

Originally posted by noseyrosie
I would be the first to agree that there are a large number of irritating, abusive, disrespectful 'scallies', but the rest, who keep their heads down (relatively!), don't get much respect either. The amount of times I have seen an older person 'tut' at me on the bus for asking someone to move their bag so I could sit down, for example, or been shouted at by a driver because 'you kids are all the same' when I didn't have the exact change (as you can tell, I also have an issue with buses!), it drives me mad.
In all honesty that's the point I've been trying to make the whole time but you put it a heck of a lot better..

Just to prove not all kids are trouble:)
I was walking home with my young daughter the other day and we passed a group of teenage boys, one of them using pretty bad language - his friend turned round to hime and told him not to swear in front of a little kid - I was mighty impressed, no adult has ever had the courtesy to watch their language in front of us before. So heres a woo and a yay to all the forgotten teenagers who do have respect for other people:)

Originally posted by Martin_s
In all honesty that's the point I've been trying to make the whole time but you put it a heck of a lot better..

Yep, I was just really backing you up from a first hand p.o.v.

:)

Originally posted by Sidla
But other forms of discipline don't always work. You may be able to ground children, but how do you enforce it?
You've provided your own question and answer. Disciplined children (generally) don't need enforcing.

Carrot & stick - it works.