Which party could win labour in Sheffield? i heard on the news some party only needed 2 more seats to win sheffield i thought labour had a very large majority?

Which party could win labour in Sheffield? i heard on the news some party only needed 2 more seats to win sheffield i thought labour had a very large majority?

The lib-dems are not too far behind.

Labour has 44 with the lib dems in second place on 35. Labour need to lose 2 to lose overall majority while the libs need to win 8 to gain overall majority.

I would like to win labour, please let me know where I buy a ticket and what other prizes are available.

I'm with Kenh, I'd like to win labour too, although not the type you go through in childbirth! Would this labour be free and could we use it as we wish, ie for digging up the garden, or cleaning the house?

Ok, I know I'm being facetious, but its been one of those days.

Labour has 44 with the lib dems in second place on 35. Labour need to lose 2 to lose overall majority while the libs need to win 8 to gain overall majority.

Whilst these calculations are correct, it also needs to be taken into account that in these elections the Lib-Dems are mostly defending seats. For example, the Conservatives are snapping at the heels of the Lib-Dems in Dore & Totley ward (where there was a recount at the last election), and Labour were only 9 votes behind in East Ecclesfield in 2004 (after 3 recounts!). In Central ward, the Lib-Dems are defending a small majority where both Labour and the Green party hold the other 2 seats.

Indeed, of the 10 most marginal seats in Sheffield, the Lib-Dems are defending 8.

Which party could win labour in Sheffield? i heard on the news some party only needed 2 more seats to win sheffield i thought labour had a very large majority?

There is of course nothing to say that Labour may not increase its majority on polling day.

Despite all the problems that had beset the Lib-Dems over their sacking of Charles Kennedy as leader, only to discover that one of their front runners for the leadership was cheating on his wife, the Lib-Dems went on to win the East Fife parliamentary by-election.

It's interesting to note that despite Labour's current national poor headlines, Labour has just won a seat off the Lib-Dems on East Lindsey District Council in Lincolnhire.

Let's hope the Tories do extremely well in the south west of Sheffield!

Let's hope the Tories do extremely well in the south west of Sheffield!

:shocked: I couldn't possibly comment on that suggestion! :blush:

:shocked: I couldn't possibly comment on that suggestion! :blush:

How strange - I've read an awful lot of your posts on the Forum and never found you to be so reticent in the past!

Let's hope the Tories do extremely well in the south west of Sheffield!



Its a two way fight in Sheffield

Labour or Lib Dem if the others take seats off the Lib Dems it helps Labour.Therefore it has to be Lib dems.
Redrobbo can spin all he wants 2 seats and they are out


I think, based on talking to people in the City ,Labour WILL lose and they deserve to

Rather than vote labour, you could always cover me in mushy peas and pour Chateauneuf du pape down my throat? OK. Bad idea.................:D

Labour has 44 with the lib dems in second place on 35. Labour need to lose 2 to lose overall majority while the libs need to win 8 to gain overall majority.

So the bottom line is that Labour only need to lose two seats to lose control of the Council. That would mean that they would'nt have a majority and could only win votes if they were supported by the other parties on the council.

Despite all the problems that had beset the Lib-Dems over their sacking of Charles Kennedy as leader, only to discover that one of their front runners for the leadership was cheating on his wife, the Lib-Dems went on to win the East Fife parliamentary by-election.

It's interesting to note that despite Labour's current national poor headlines, Labour has just won a seat off the Lib-Dems on East Lindsey District Council in Lincolnhire.

I don't think you can compare some Lib Dems personal problems to that of Labours problems. Labour letting out over 1000 foriegn prisoners who should have been considered for deportation is the sort of issue that loses votes. :gag:

Why not have a "rainbow" alliance, like in control of Leeds City Council?

Conservative, Lib Dems, Greens and Independents, working together to keep Labour out of power!

Charley
http://www.gmroads.co.uk

There is of course nothing to say that Labour may not increase its majority on polling day.

Actually, there're quite a lot of reason why Labour will not increase it's majority:D.

Indeed, of the 10 most marginal seats in Sheffield, the Lib-Dems are defending 8.
I think it's worth me pointing out to Cllr. Robson that "most marginal" doesn't necessarily mean "most vulnerable" ;)

Suffice it to say that there are enough winnable Lib Dem-Labour fights to deprive Labour of its majority - if that's what the voters of Sheffield want, then that's what will happen.

In certain areas of Rotherham where I live we have not even had so much as a flyer shoved through the letter box never mind a visit from the local labour councillor who sometimes at public meetings talks to people as if they are soemthing he has stepped in.:huh:

We have had a flyer in the form of a business card from some local christian alliance party and I think they were out canvassing last weekend.

That to me smacks of total arrogance from a totally arrogant party who seem to forget who put them there through the electoral system.
They are not bothered in this part of Rotherham as they know that no matter what they do and no matter how bad they do it, the local following will vote them back in power no matter what.

They do not have to come out canvassing and that really saddens me to think that no matter how bad a group of people can get, there are people who will still follow them blindly along :rant:

But why the hell should they bother about the people who put them there when the upper ecehlons of the same mob are out hiding the truth from the prime minister about a major cock up in the criminals who should have been deported fiasco and the deputy prime minister who has been hiding the truth from his missus for so long.

I cannot believe that Prescott has been daft enough to let the party use him as the biggest smoke screen I have ever seen used to save the career of another member of parliament because that is what is happening at the moment.
The Labour party are using John Prescott and his daliances away from home as the biggest sacrificial lamb I have ever seen to delay what should be the inevitable replacing of the current Home Secretary.

What chance have we as the voting electorate ever got of finding out the truth about the real reasons for the war in iraq, the state of the health service, the state of the education system in this country when the upper management of the political party that currently run this country as voted in by the people of this country cannot even tell the truth to each other. ??:help:

I've been having a bit of a think as to who I'm going to vote for on Thursday and have come up with this conclusion:

"Don't vote Labour"

I don't want this to be interpreted as being anti-Labour (though I'll admit it's easy to make that judgement from my conclusion!) but this is my logic.

Every other Northern city/area which has been through the grinder in the eighties and stopped automatically voting in Labour MPs and councillors are all doing much better than us. Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, Liverpool etc. All these cities have seen major regeneration to their centres and a vibrant cultural life which goes beyond student life. What have we got?????????

I've basically decided it's not worth wiping my behind with our elected local Labour representatives as they take our votes for granted and so they sit around and do nothing good. I want to see them work for us, sweat for us or lose their jobs. That's what democracy is supposed to be about isn't it? I can't find anything positive to say about the local council or MPs at the moment and I want them to stop taking advantage of us. Labour lost control of all the other major cities for at least a while and where that has happened they seem to be working far harder for people's votes.

So please go out and vote and make it count for something!

Although I agree with this, what's the alternative? Couldn't trust any of the others to run a you know what in a brewery.

Choose one of the others just in case they might manage it! The current lot can't that's for sure. I'm voting for the strongest anti-labour party in my ward. I'd suggest other fed up people do the same.

Every other Northern city/area which has been through the grinder in the eighties and stopped automatically voting in Labour MPs and councillors are all doing much better than us. Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, Liverpool etc.

3 of 4 Manchester MP's are Labour
4 of Leeds 5 MP's are Labour
All 5 Liverpool MP's are Labour
All 3 Newcastle Upon Tyne MP's are Labour

I've been having a bit of a think as to who I'm going to vote for on Thursday and have come up with this conclusion:

"Don't vote Labour"

I don't want this to be interpreted as being anti-Labour (though I'll admit it's easy to make that judgement from my conclusion!) but this is my logic.

Every other Northern city/area which has been through the grinder in the eighties and stopped automatically voting in Labour MPs and councillors are all doing much better than us. Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, Liverpool etc. All these cities have seen major regeneration to their centres and a vibrant cultural life which goes beyond student life. What have we got?????????

I've basically decided it's not worth wiping my behind with our elected local Labour representatives as they take our votes for granted and so they sit around and do nothing good. I want to see them work for us, sweat for us or lose their jobs. That's what democracy is supposed to be about isn't it? I can't find anything positive to say about the local council or MPs at the moment and I want them to stop taking advantage of us. Labour lost control of all the other major cities for at least a while and where that has happened they seem to be working far harder for people's votes.

So please go out and vote and make it count for something!

Don’t remember Manchester not being Labour controlled. When did it change?

You know what; I’ve seen some crap on this site, but your reason for not voting Labour take the biscuit.

By all means don’t vote for a party on ideological grounds but for the reasons you give are just stupid.

For starters Sheffield City Council is Council of the year, that’s right it is considered by many of the experts in this field to be the best in the country. That is not by a political party but by independent judges.

Secondly, Sheffield has one of the fastest growing economies in the country, again not a political point but a fact.

Thirdly the public realm in the city is regarded by many other cities as a beacon to aim for, for example the Winter gardens and Peace Gardens. Just ask people who visit Sheffield from other cities!

Fourthly, if you bother to look at things in more detail you would have realised the Lib Dems did control Sheffield for 3 short years. However, they in the opinion of the people of Sheffield made such a mess of things that they were got rid as soon as possible. For example the mess they made included, £25 million in overspends, they wanted to sell off peoples homes agianst their will, promised zero percent rises in council tax only to raise it by record amounts once in power etc etc etc.

And I have not even mentioned some of the night life the city is now famous for or many of the cities many other attractions.

So come on, at least think about the how about how you will vote, after all it was my great grand father and his like that fought for universal suffrage, they at least deserve that you should engage brain before deciding where you put your cross and not base your decision on ill informed half truths or no truth at all.

I'm with Kenh, I'd like to win labour too, although not the type you go through in childbirth! Would this labour be free and could we use it as we wish, ie for digging up the garden, or cleaning the house?

Ok, I know I'm being facetious, but its been one of those days.

yeah, lets have a prize draw - f_g can provide the labour for the winning party, maybe by doing something like digging their garden or cleaning their windows

So come on, at least think about the how about how you will vote, after all it was my great grand father and his like that fought for universal suffrage, they at least deserve that you should engage brain before deciding where you put your cross and not base your decision on ill informed half truths or no truth at all.

I have thought about how I'm going to vote and if you don't like it. Tough. You can spin it how you like but I'm not happy with the way the city is managed. It's nothing but a series of 'projects' with no strategy. Any third world country has a higher growth rate than the UK and so of course Sheffield has a high growth rate at the moment after decades of mismanagement.
I really can't see why the council is winning any awards myself and the nightlife is soley aimed at under 30's. I'm not advocating voting for the Lib Dems to take control but for Labour to get a bloody nose because I think they deserve it round here.

I know the other cities have mostly Labour control at the moment but the point is they have to fight for it at every election or lose it. That's not true here

There is of course nothing to say that Labour may not increase its majority on polling day.


Thanks for that, I needed cheering up.

It was a joke wasn't it? :)

Rather than vote labour, you could always cover me in mushy peas and pour Chateauneuf du pape down my throat? OK. Bad idea.................:D
I'm liking you style, but wouldn't you prefer Baked Beans??? (http://www.lostcarpark.com/aliensstolemyhandbag/photos/bakedbeans13.jpg.jpg) :love:


p.s. check out her right hand! :o :o :o

Don’t remember Manchester not being Labour controlled. When did it change?
Manchester is still Labour-controlled, although Labour has lost control of the other three in recent years. Leeds is in no overall control, while Newcastle and Liverpool are run by the Lib Dems.

Longcol is right about the MPs, although it's worth pointing out that they don't have as much say in directly running those cities as the city councils do. Also, those numbers may well change in the next election - for example I would be amazed if Labour hangs on to all 5 seats in Liverpool again.

Posted by Normal,
I've basically decided it's not worth wiping my behind with our elected local Labour representatives as they take our votes for granted and so they sit around and do nothing good. I want to see them work for us, sweat for us or lose their jobs. That's what democracy is supposed to be about isn't it? I can't find anything positive to say about the local council or MPs at the moment and I want them to stop taking advantage of us. Labour lost control of all the other major cities for at least a while and where that has happened they seem to be working far harder for people's votes.
So please go out and vote and make it count for something!



I'll agree with that.

Lib Dems ... promised zero percent rises in council tax only to raise it by record amounts once in power etc etc etc.

Top three Sheffield council tax rises:
Labour, 1995/96 10.25% rise
Labour, 1998/99 9.00% rise
Labour, 2003/04 8.30% rise

Its a two way fight in Sheffield

Labour or Lib Dem if the others take seats off the Lib Dems it helps Labour.Therefore it has to be Lib dems.
Redrobbo can spin all he wants 2 seats and they are out


I think, based on talking to people in the City ,Labour WILL lose and they deserve to

On the Radio 4 programme last night, even Sheffield Lib-Dems were acknowledging how unlikely it is that they will take control in Sheffield.

I can't see how facing the facts can be interpreted as spin. Unless isaidthat is jointly accusing both me and the local Lib-Dems of spin? :huh:

Even if Labour lost 2 seats, they could form a minority administration, as they did after the Lib-Dems lost control of the council. Please get your facts right isaidthat, and then you can avoid the spin you accuse me of using!

It is now the eve of poll, and by around midnight tomorrow, we will know the verdict of the electorate.

On the Radio 4 programme last night, even Sheffield Lib-Dems were acknowledging how unlikely it is that they will take control in Sheffield

I listened to that programme and thats not the impression i got. I know your a Labour councillor but please try to give a balanced view.

On the Radio 4 programme last night, even Sheffield Lib-Dems were acknowledging how unlikely it is that they will take control in Sheffield.

I can't see how facing the facts can be interpreted as spin. Unless isaidthat is jointly accusing both me and the local Lib-Dems of spin? :huh:

Even if Labour lost 2 seats, they could form a minority administration, as they did after the Lib-Dems lost control of the council. Please get your facts right isaidthat, and then you can avoid the spin you accuse me of using!

It is now the eve of poll, and by around midnight tomorrow, we will know the verdict of the electorate.


Cllr Red under the bed


You seem to have been listening to a different radio 4 programme to the one the rest of us listened to.


Paul Scriven made the comment that the Lib Dems are making progress in Sheffield and they expected to continue to make progress tomorrow.

The Labour party spokesman who wasn't a cllr ,I don't know who he was, admitted that the national issue were hitting Labour in Sheffield. You need to listen and remember better.

More telling was the voter who said that after being a life long Labour supporter she would not be voting Labour this time and many of her freinds where doing the same. Infact she even said that they"would be voting Liberal"


Finally, so if you are kicked out of power by us tomorrow you will stay in power!!! Very strange way of listening to the people of Sheffield.

As a serious question: For a while, wasn't your city under Liberal Democrat power pre-1997?

:)

Why not have a "rainbow" alliance, like in control of Leeds City Council?

Conservative, Lib Dems, Greens and Independents, working together to keep Labour out of power!

Charley
http://www.gmroads.co.uk

Is this the area where the lib dems and conservatives have formed a pact not to contest the others seats??

since when has that been fair? -if i was a lib dem voter and my area didnt have a lib dem candidate would i vote tory oh hell no. (and for the record my political opinion is exactly that, MY opinion)

Thats the problem with politics in my view, everyone in the parties is more involved with saying how crap the other parties are. I would much rather not vote then "not vote labour" as another thread has suggested. If you are going to vote then vote for the party you WANT TO WIN not just because you dont want the other party to win.

Failing that im working on the election and would much prefer no one to vote so i can have a nice easy day

Infact she even said that they"would be voting Liberal"
Are the Liberal Party standing in Sheffield? There's only Conservative, Green, Labour and LibDem where I live.

As a serious question: For a while, wasn't your city under Liberal Democrat power pre-1997?
The Liberals ran Sheffield until the 1920s or so. Then it was Labour, interupted by one year of Conservatives in the 1960s. Then the LibDems from 1999 to 2002.

Similar threads merged.

If you are going to vote then vote for the party you WANT TO WIN not just because you dont want the other party to win.



What I meant by that was I wanted to feel that all the councillors in the city were working as hard as they could for local people and not taking votes for granted. Basically if you're happy with your councillor, vote for them. If you're not or at best indifferent, vote for someone else and give them a chance to try and make you happy.
I had a similar frustration when living and working in Westminster when even the Tories corruption and vote fixing scandals still got them reelected with even bigger majorities! One would have thought after Donniegate etc that Labour would have lost seats there but no. I just hate the fact that this allows laziness, corruption and complaceny to sink in over a period of time and it's local people who suffer.

I think what you need to do to be totally honest is look at the facts locally. This is not a general election and the councillors represent the sheffield districts.

So what has changed? Any improvements? If not what needs improving (god right can of worms opened there :rolleyes: )

Its easy for us to see what could be better but I for one irrespective of the local government think Sheff is looking really quite shiny of late.

There are 5 parties standing in our ward, Labour, Lib Dem, Tory, UKIP and Green party and only one party ie Labour, has bothered to post a flyer through the door. So in my view the others really don't want my vote.

I only know which ones are standing as I bothered to go on the Sheffield Council website.

I was thinking of doing a protest vote against Labour as pretty fed up with them at the moment, but at least they have the decency to inform me they are actually interested in my vote.