hello,

are you an unashamed smoker ? sick of being a pariah and think society should grow up ?

I want to do a photography project on people that smoke who have no intention of stopping. i'm envisaging a simple black and white portrait of a each of a variety of people, plus getting them to answer a couple of questions which will be used to caption the picture. I want to take some photos in my studio and some in pubs / outdoors / people's homes etc. Anyone who takes part will get a print of their portrait.
If you're interested, drop me an email or PM. You can see my work at
w w w dot envioustime dot co dot uk
cheers
Andy

that'll make you popular, implying that people who don't like smoking are somehow childish.

that'll make you popular, implying that people who don't like smoking are somehow childish.

I think he's done a good job of getting his target audience on-side. ;)

I'm a smoker and I'm not ashamed of it, but I will stop eventually. For the minute I enjoy it though.

Feel free to get in touch if you're struggling!!

:thumbsup:

i should have anticipated causing a stir !
i'm not particularly pro- or anti- smoking myself (i do smoke, but am trying to stop). I just think it would make a good project !

I think it's a great idea, I'm going to email you :)

Why would people be ashamed of smoking? Surely if there ashamed they would quit and have done?

erm ... some people find it really difficult to stop ?

But if your ashamed of doing something then what would you do? Hide round corners smoking? Its just a strange way to put it in my opinion.
trust me I know how hard it is to stop thats why I have no intention of stopping! (well trying to again)

Mm, I've got nothing against smokers as I smoked from the age of 12 to 35. tried everything and in the end the only thing that worked was hypnosis. You know those adverts for stopping smoking in an hour? Well, they work! It's been 3 and a half years since i've had a fag, and I have no desire for one whatsoever. I can get ****** in pubs and not think about smoking! It only takes about 3 days for the nicotine to leave your body, then after that it's psychological - which is why it's so hard to stop. But it can be done!

im a smoker, and really enjoy it with a drink.

but the habit itself is pretty foul, when you think about it.

be better all round the sooner the ban comes in...itll be hard as anything but eventually, no-one will smoke, and the world will be a better place.

i like smoking and wish people at work would stop giving me gip for it! lol

you have a pm

sophie
x

I'm gonna start smoking now just to take part. Which end do you light?

I love to smoke even though I know the perils of it. What really annoys me is people who put crisp and nut packets in the ashtrays in pubs. Its very ignorant :)

I love to smoke even though I know the perils of it. What really annoys me is people who put crisp and nut packets in the ashtrays in pubs. Its very ignorant :)

ice is the worst- although chewing gum comes a close second.

and its a bugger to clean out- urgh *shudders*

sophie
x

Lol, that is my biggest pet hate, people putting everything other than cigarette butts in the frikkin ashtray!

Crisp packets in ash trays is ignorance is it?

I think it's very ignorant that people smoke around others, in the long-term causing death in some instances.

THERE'S some real ignorance for you.

Crisp packets in ash trays is ignorance is it?

I think it's very ignorant that people smoke around others, in the long-term causing death in some instances.

THERE'S some real ignorance for you.
So your... not an unashamed smoker then?:confused:

hello,

are you an unashamed smoker ? sick of being a pariah and think society should grow up ?



I think you should go outside before saying this.

It has always been my rule never to smoke when asleep, and never to refrain when awake. ~Mark Twain
:)

I don't smoke, no. I can't wait for the ban to come in. People can smoke themselves to death for all I care, but not in a way that is affecting me.

thanks for the replies (and predictable range of opinions, given the controversy of the topic)

will be in touch with people soon !

Please be quick. I may smoke myself to death:gag:

Crisp packets in ash trays is ignorance is it?

I think it's very ignorant that people smoke around others, in the long-term causing death in some instances.

THERE'S some real ignorance for you.

Ooooooh! Handbag!

I tried to give up smoking today. I put a patch on this morning and lasted til 10.30am. I then smoked three fags over next 2 hours and felt proper ill.

I have no will power and am a proper berk.

I have now taken patch off and feel slighty less gippy.

(just thought I'd share)

Chicken Monkey x

Although I've been a happy and regular smoker for about 50 years [ and a part-time smoker before the age of 15 ] and have no intentions of giving up , I'm afraid I can't join your interesting scheme as I'm working in China .
Here, it's a smoker's paradise compared to the nanny-ish U.K and you'd get plenty of good material from the East . People smoke before and after meals and even in-between .You can smoke on trains in a special place in between the carriages [ inside , that is ! ] and of course in bars and cafes .
On our university campus , the only other foreign teacher who smokes is a Japanese man who is about 65 but who looks about 50 . The other teachers are American and the two older ones , who don't of course smoke , are always ill and off sick ! Just for the record I've only ever been in hospital once , for something not connected to smoking , and from what I can gather , they die younger in America than Japan , although smoking is pretty widespread in Japan .[ Must be the raw fish , perhaps ? ].
Incidentally , the man who discovered the alleged link between smoking and lung cancer , who died recently , in around 1998 , revealed he didn't think for one minute that passive smoking caused any medical problems . The anti-smokers almost had a fit trying to get round that one !
So , good luck with your project and let's hope more people will light - up , chill out , sit back and think about the meaning of life , instead of running round with clenched teeth telling us smokers how very wicked we are .

Incidentally , the man who discovered the alleged link between smoking and lung cancer , who died recently , in around 1998 , revealed he didn't think for one minute that passive smoking caused any medical problems . The anti-smokers almost had a fit trying to get round that one !

Really. So you believe that passive smoking has no effect on someone's health? Try telling Roy Castle's widow that.

Nekro138
Well , first of all I was quoting the expert who first discovered what he claimed was the link between smoking and lung cancer in the 1950's . From that point on until his retirement his work was devoted to studying the various effects of smoking and he concluded what I said re -passive smoking .
If you wish to check , his obituary was in the Daily Telegraph a few months ago .
No doubt Roy Castle and many others had also been exposed to traffic fumes and industrial waste polluting the air . Why not mention them ? People get knocked down and killed by people driving for pleasure but no-one seems to want an outright ban on driving for pleasure in areas where we could all be injured or killed .What about all the pollution caused by the unnecessary production of vehicles ? Has that been responsible for no deaths ?
The anti-smoking brigade seem intent on stamping out smoking altogether , regardless of what other things may be affecting our nation's health . Strangely enough , whilst smoking has decreased in the U.K over the past few years , the number of people wobbling in and out of hospitals and the cost of our hospitals seems to be inexorably rising . Could something besides the dreaded smoking be responsible ? Hypertension ? High blood pressure ?

Oh here we go again - same old argument! We're talking SMOKING!! :rolleyes:

Smoke if you like - just dont try to justify it with "well what about ******? That kills more people than smoking does" argument.

SMOKING KILLS. End of story. :rant:

Ellybum------no , Nekro138 , was saying that passive smoking kills and I was pointing out that the world's [ or one of the world's ] top experts on the effects of smoking concluded that there was no evidence between passive smoking and lung cancer .
It's strange that all the anti-smokers accepted the man's arguments about smoking but wouldn't accept his conclusions about passive smoking ! No surprise ,really , I suppose ? ; once you jump on a band-wagon , no reasoned argument will change one's view ---no need to listen to any contrary evidence !
You are probably quite right , " smoking kills ---end of story ". Well , big deal ! that doesn't carry things much further -------lots of things get us to the end of our little stories . Is one much worse than another ?

hello,

are you an unashamed smoker ? sick of being a pariah and think society should grow up ?

I want to do a photography project on people that smoke who have no intention of stopping. i'm envisaging a simple black and white portrait of a each of a variety of people, plus getting them to answer a couple of questions which will be used to caption the picture. I want to take some photos in my studio and some in pubs / outdoors / people's homes etc. Anyone who takes part will get a print of their portrait.
If you're interested, drop me an email or PM. You can see my work at
w w w dot envioustime dot co dot uk
cheers
Andy

You can do the link correctly you know! www.envioustime.co.uk :rolleyes:

I don't smoke, no. I can't wait for the ban to come in. People can smoke themselves to death for all I care, but not in a way that is affecting me.
typical comment for a non smoker.it may not be clever to smoke and it may be bad for you.but please keep your comments to yourself.you dont know what its like to be addicted to this anti social passtime.we should be given proper help like addicts do.but we are singled out everywhere,nd get smart alec comments from everyone who is either a non smoker,or a reformed smoker.

Ellybum------no , Nekro138 , was saying that passive smoking kills and I was pointing out that the world's [ or one of the world's ] top experts on the effects of smoking concluded that there was no evidence between passive smoking and lung cancer .
It's strange that all the anti-smokers accepted the man's arguments about smoking but wouldn't accept his conclusions about passive smoking ! No surprise ,really , I suppose ? ; once you jump on a band-wagon , no reasoned argument will change one's view ---no need to listen to any contrary evidence !
You are probably quite right , " smoking kills ---end of story ". Well , big deal ! that doesn't carry things much further -------lots of things get us to the end of our little stories . Is one much worse than another ?

Perhaps we should all meet up and discuss over a wee nip and a cigarette?

Perhaps we should all meet up and discuss over a wee nip and a cigarette?

hmmm, now theres an idea- the alternative unofficial meet.

personally, i nominate the red lion on charles street. one of the few places where you can still smoke at the bar, let alone sit at the chuffin bar all night to kipper yourself and the bar staff (me included- i like it, it means i dont get knocked off for taking a cig break :D)

any takers?

sophie
x

ps, for all you anti/reformed smokers/whatever your issue is- did you see an invite to slag off us addicts- no. right then, so hows about leaving us alone to conduct our business and you get on with your own so high and mighty threads instead of crashing ours?

hmmm, now theres an idea- the alternative unofficial meet.

personally, i nominate the red lion on charles street. one of the few places where you can still smoke at the bar, let alone sit at the chuffin bar all night to kipper yourself and the bar staff (me included- i like it, it means i dont get knocked off for taking a cig break :D)

any takers?

sophie
x

ps, for all you anti/reformed smokers/whatever your issue is- did you see an invite to slag off us addicts- no. right then, so hows about leaving us alone to conduct our business and you get on with your own so high and mighty threads instead of crashing ours? Well said:thumbsup:

I social smoke. I know its an excuse to just have a fag, but it hits me like a bus when i'm out and i've had a drink. I can't settle until i have a fag. Sad i know. :(

smokers should be applauded they are the keeping the tax rates low and they basically pay for the health service.

the smoking ban is ridiculous and draconian and it preys on peoples intolerance and pettyness. smoking and drinking is inextricably linked and that sacred partnership shouldn't be broken. there are smoke free areas in virtually all pubs and that should be enough.

don't hypocritically whine about the effects on your health as you stand in a bar and down alcohol all night then stagger off for a kebab. its all about tolerance and frankly it scares me. we start by banning smoking because its bad for you where do we stop? it seems people won't be happy until we live in a sterile, clean, homogenised, pasturised, risk free world, by which point it won't matter if anybody smokes because we'll all be bored to death.

and before anyone asks i'm a non-smoker

smoke free areas - what a load of all nonesense, smoke doesn't respect a no smoking sign stuck over in the corner.

I've been up in Edinburgh this weekend and the complete smoking ban in all pubs and clubs seems to work very well.
It was so nice this morning to wake up without stinking of other peoples habit.

The fact is, pubs which have "courtyards" i.e areas where no non-smoker will come into contact unless they so wish are installing complete heating devices for all the seasons.

Doncaster has several pubs which have courtyards in the town centre alone, thanks to the history of the Great North Road and the coaches. I wouldn't bet against outside drink bars, only with heating for all seasons, being erected again in such outdoor enclosed areas. (they've already done that in the past) Leave all the whingers to drink in empty pubs, as non-smoking pubs tend to be in England.

Unfortunately, if anyone objects to it, then it will prove it is do to with leftist facism as there's no way in a courtyard any non-smoker will be exposed to smoke if they don't so wish.

It's object-free anyway - it'll happen and long shall outdoor areas reign.

I suspect, like the situation is now, where non-smokers prefer smoking pubs (proven by fact) there'll be whinging but they won't be taken away when the ban comes in.

proven by a fact made up in your head at a guess?

The pub we were at in scotland had an outdoor area that allowed smoking, the inside was even more crowded though than the outside.

And speaking to the people who live in edinburgh they've seen people quitting smoking because they can't be bothered with having to go outside to do it when out in an evening.

I shall never quit I smoke pipes, rolling baccy and sometimes I even chew tobacco the blacker the chewing baccy the better and that reminds me I will have to empty my spitoons as they are getting a bit full. I smoke my pipe when I am on the sheffield forum and when I am also playing on my ps2 as it helps me to relax but I will have to stop biting on the mouth piece when I cant win on my ps2 games as I have had to replace all the mouth pieces on my pipes. they only time I feel ashamed is when I am around anybody who doesnt smoke or they have just packed it in and finding it hard going, also I have smoked a pipe since I was 14 years old so I have been doing it now for 38 years so somehow I dont think I will stop not now.

I smoke my pipe when I am on the sheffield forum ..... I have smoked a pipe since I was 14 years old so I have been doing it now for 38 years so somehow I dont think I will stop not now.

Would it help if we made Sheffield Forum non-smoking?

typical comment for a non smoker.it may not be clever to smoke and it may be bad for you.but please keep your comments to yourself.you dont know what its like to be addicted to this anti social passtime.we should be given proper help like addicts do.but we are singled out everywhere,nd get smart alec comments from everyone who is either a non smoker,or a reformed smoker.

There is a lot of government help to give up smoking cigarettes, more than for most addictions as far as I can see. Thats how I stopped with the help of my (NHS) doctor and the stop smoking helpline.

http://www.givingupsmoking.co.uk/nhs_sss/find/?radiochoice=64&postcodesearch=1

Theres no excuse now chick so Good luck :)

SMOKING KILLS.

Actually, it's life that kills:D.

I want to do a photography project on people that smoke who have no intention of stopping. i'm envisaging a simple black and white portrait of a each of a variety of people....

Black & white? thats classy, aren't lung X rays black and white too?

proven by a fact made up in your head at a guess?

The pub we were at in scotland had an outdoor area that allowed smoking, the inside was even more crowded though than the outside.

And speaking to the people who live in edinburgh they've seen people quitting smoking because they can't be bothered with having to go outside to do it when out in an evening.

It's like everything - "speaking to the people of Edinburgh" - you mean speaking to people inside your own circle of views.

The leftist media does the same - the Guardian readership, all 300,000 of them think they know it all, yet their views only go with and are shared between themselves. The rest of the nation knows different.

I'm a smoker, however I am ashamed to admit it.
When I am getting a ticking off about it I can always think of a good excuse & can make anyone feel how dare they try & stop me, but thats all part of an addiction.
I was gonna start a thread on advice on how to stop but was too ashamed incase I was judged.
I am determined to stop this year when I have surgery on my ankle.
I know I will be the absolute worse anti-smoker about.

Fact is you will be judged, that's the way the brainwashed liberals are.

Buy a hypnotherapy CD by Glenn Harrold off Amazon (and a cheap personal CD player if you don't have one) - won't be any more than £20 for all of them.

You'll find yourself cutting down a little bit.

After that, try a NHS so-called smoking cessation officer, though only if you really want to quit as they go on and on and on with very little benefits for the cost to the NHS. Don't think you'll be able to just get some patches from the GP within a 5 minute appointment, which would make sense and do it yourself... not in this leftist Britain.

At the end of the day, by smoking, you've built up a massive pro- payment war chest with payment to the public sector and hence to the NHS so if you don't want to quit then don't bother. Let freedom of choice reign supreme rather than facsists trying to control everything a once free nation did.

It's like everything - "speaking to the people of Edinburgh" - you mean speaking to people inside your own circle of views.

The leftist media does the same - the Guardian readership, all 300,000 of them think they know it all, yet their views only go with and are shared between themselves. The rest of the nation knows different.

clearly I didn't poll everyone in edinburgh, I talked to a few of my friends who live there.
My main point was that you appeared to be wrong, the pubs were absolutely packed, far busier than the courtyards where people could smoke.

I did notice more people smoking on the street, which my local friends agreed was a side effect they'd noticed, but they also thought that the numbers of that were falling already.

Its cold in Edinburgh, and the landlords don't pay for outdoor heating, and the hardiness of the Scot's is a bit of a Myth.
I am 65 ish, have smoked since I was 9 ish - - due to working around the world, tobacco was cheap, and often free. Now, back in UK, I roll my own, and use the internet to support my lifetime habit.
I am a regular poster on the forum, in support of the free thinking smokers. I don't go to cinemas, restaurants, shopping malls, or other anti smoking places. My little haven is definitely a smoking heaven. My coffee table is a shrine. Tobacco - papers - filters, very well used ashtray (Large). Old couch, burns in the carpet, ash all over the place. I have lighters all over the place (Roll-ups often go out). In the kitchen, in the loo, by the computer, but not in the bedroom. Strange, I chain smoke, usualy with a glass of scotch to hand, but the moment I decide to sleep, (Or collapse), I don't find the need for a fag.
I would welcome the offer of a portrait of myself for posterity, sat at my post, rolling a fag, and smiling at the thought of all you "Little miss pritchies" trying to spoil other peoples pleasure.
Definitely the last smoke I have, will be up the cremetorium chimney, if I don't get refused as a hazard due to the alcohol content.
Sheff

The pub we were at had patio heaters, and the bank holiday weekend was nice and warm, I didn't even take a coat out with me Saturday night it was that nice.

Ellybum------no , Nekro138 , was saying that passive smoking kills and I was pointing out that the world's [ or one of the world's ] top experts on the effects of smoking concluded that there was no evidence between passive smoking and lung cancer .
It's strange that all the anti-smokers accepted the man's arguments about smoking but wouldn't accept his conclusions about passive smoking ! No surprise ,really , I suppose ? ; once you jump on a band-wagon , no reasoned argument will change one's view ---no need to listen to any contrary evidence !
You are probably quite right , " smoking kills ---end of story ". Well , big deal ! that doesn't carry things much further -------lots of things get us to the end of our little stories . Is one much worse than another ?

If what you're doing by way of enjoyment for yourself, then yes - much worse. :rant:

im a smoker & i do enjoy it even though it can cause lots of problems.I cant have a drink without smoking!im not ashamed at all,let people say or think what they like :D :)

Maybe you should take your camera and visit NGH or hallamshire Hospital and take pics of the peeps in there with smoking related diseases and see what sort of captions they are likely to give you!!

this is *exactly* why i want to do this project, because everyone has an opinion on it and it's controversial !

i'm not seeking to glamourise smoking, just take some portraits of people that enjoy smoking because they interest me. the last time i checked, enjoying smoking had not been outlawed.

and spare me the emotive arguments - i'm not trying to argue that smoking is good for you, i just want to document that in 2006 some people still choose to do it.

and for the record - i don't think that x-rays *are* black and white, i think that there are shades of blue in there too :)
oh, and i couldn't post a link to my website because i hadn't posted enough to be able to do so.

thanks to all those who pmed or emailed, i will be in touch in the next couple of weeks.

and for the record - i don't think that x-rays *are* black and white, i think that there are shades of blue in there too :)


For the real record

Properties of radiographic film and formation of the radiographic image

1. X-Rays will produce a pattern of varying depths of blackness on the film.
2. The incident photons are attenuated to varying degrees by the patient's tissues.
3. The emerging pattern of photons of differing energies affect the film emulsion to produce the latent image.
4. Developing the film allows this image to become visible.
5. The film emulsion consists of gelatin containing finely dispersed grains of silver bromide.
6. The absorption of X-Rays by the silver bromide grains renders them developable.
7. Silver bromide grains which have been exposed to X-Rays will be turned black by the developer.
8. Unexposed grains are dissolved and removed and leave a white area on the film.

Good luck with your project.