From BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4942886.stm

Charles Clarke has apologised for the release of more than 1,000 foreign prisoners who should have been deported at the end of their sentence.
The number includes three murderers and nine rapists, Home Office figures show.

Mr Clarke said he could not say "hand on heart" that they would all be tracked down, "but we are working on that very energetically".

Just what we need!

this country beggers belief. & who is responsible for this little fiasco will thier job be under threat i doubt it f*** up britian

From BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4942886.stm

Charles Clarke has apologised for the release of more than 1,000 foreign prisoners who should have been deported at the end of their sentence.
The number includes three murderers and nine rapists, Home Office figures show.

Mr Clarke said he could not say "hand on heart" that they would all be tracked down, "but we are working on that very energetically".

Just what we need!

This is utterly unacceptable incompetence - I knew the government were pretty incompetent, but this is beyond ridiculous. This is criminal negligence on the government's part.

There is simply no excuse for this in a modern country.

At the VERY LEAST Charles Clarke must resign. I find it disgraceful he's not done so already.

StarSparkle

As much as I dislike the odious Clarke most of these releases were prior to him getting the Home Secretary job unlike the Civil Servant heads of the department whose job it is to actually implement the policies of the elected Govt. Some of them should get the sack instead the Knighthoods and Peerages that are usually bestowed upon them. No doubt they could find some underling to pass the buck to though.

Sacking Clarke would only mean some other blundering Blairite would take over, mouth strong words about tackling crime and disorder but in the end do nothing.

This is a cock up of the first order compounded by the fact that the sleeze ball politicans who are responsable won't resign.
Still with all the cash available to the sleezy gits, who would ?

Anti sleeze new labour. Do you still believe this pile of old horse do do ?

Very often we cant deport them because they dont tell us where they come from...............the little rascals.

:roll: this would never happen with the BNP in controll :mrgreen:

On saying that we ought to have an agreement with somalia and deport them all there........most say they come from there anyway....so we would be just sending them home to mummy.....arnt we kind.

Assuming mummy is not already here of course.

I suppose we can all just hope that they have cars and do 35 in a 30 zone. Plod is bound to catch em then.

Another thing I can't get my head round. There are plans to build Centres to house, and I quote, 'dangerous criminals on their release from prison'. Can someone tell me why, if they are dangerous, are they being released.:loopy:

Another thing I can't get my head round. There are plans to build Centres to house, and I quote, 'dangerous criminals on their release from prison'. Can someone tell me why, if they are dangerous, are they being released.:loopy:

Probably because there's not enough room in the prisons for all the prisoners.

It seems to me that the point of prison is to keep dangerous people away from being able to harm members of the public - I really don't understand the point of jailing petty criminals, white collar criminals and the like. It's a mad situation when dangerous criminals are being released early from prison because the space is needed for other prisoners. :loopy:

StarSparkle

Another thing I can't get my head round. There are plans to build Centres to house, and I quote, 'dangerous criminals on their release from prison'. Can someone tell me why, if they are dangerous, are they being released.:loopy:

Because 'Life' means 15 years. and if they behave themselves in jail they can get out on parole in 7 years ? I think it is what the govt. call 'being tough on crime'.

In Trinidad recently a rapist was jailed for twenty years and was to be birched every month for the first year of his sentence. Even if he gets out early I doubt he'll re-offend ;)

Very often we cant deport them because they dont tell us where they come from...............the little rascals.

It is racist and against their human rights to send them back to a country where they may not be safe.
I would support them staying under UK protection as long as they wish.

The falklands have a large UK military force and loads of spare land. :D

It is racist and against their human rights to send them back to a country where they may not be safe.
I would support them staying under UK protection as long as they wish.

The falklands have a large UK military force and loads of spare land. :D

Problem is that you'd send the bunch of misfits to a island which would in turn become a dangerous place to live so they flee and are welcomed in the UK.

I watched this on the news last night. Interestingly 1 in 8 (quoted by the BBC) criminals in our prisons are from foreign land. But for some reason :suspect: no one wants to ask any questions about this.

Total balls up springs to mind, the dangerous criminals will either be committing more crime or claiming benefits :D

Well with the local elections going on that's a few more votes for the BNP.

The worst part of this fiasco is that out of the 300+ foreign illegals freed, over 160 of them were supposed to have been deported upon release, given that these are murderers, rapists and people convicted of serious violent crime and they have simply been released into society beggars belief.

Surely there must be some criteria to releasing people like this back into the mainstream...ie, parole, sex offenders register and so on and that is for the average UK citizen.... so what exactly went on here when an illegal immigrant can commit serious crime here, get banged up and then put back where they commited the original act.... bit like releasing a junkie and giving him a fix after telling him to go straight. This is all barmy.

Latest is that the Govt. are refusing to name the people they desperately want to recapture.... heaven knows why.... could it be something to do with their human rights?

The situation is just lauhgable.

Latest is that the Govt. are refusing to name the people they desperately want to recapture.... heaven knows why.... could it be something to do with their human rights?

The situation is just lauhgable.

Do you know what jake. You have that spot on IMO. There's a bunch of left wing misfits who will do anything to get these released and brought back into society. I'm sure they also believe that we are to blame for the prerson committing the crime.

:rant:

The surprising thing about this story is that most people regard it as a new disclosure. In fact, the laxity of the public authorities with regard to the deportation of foreign felons has been known about for some considerable time and certainly pre-dates Clarke's tenure as Home Secretary.

I remember mentioning this scandalous state of affairs on an immigration thread several months ago. Moreover, Migrationwatch published an exposure of this scandal last January (see url below) and also pointed out that around 9000 out of the 75000 prisoners in our jails were foreign nationals (i.e. about 1 in 8, which is an appallingly high figure and one which raises pressing questions about our immigration controls (or lack of them).

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/frameset.asp?menu=publications&page=publications.asp

Do i take it that you are not too keen on the somalians then bartfarst....... not too many are to be honest........but most say they come from there...Even though they cant speek the language or point to it on a map

I watched this on the news last night. Interestingly 1 in 8 (quoted by the BBC) criminals in our prisons are from foreign land. But for some reason :suspect: no one wants to ask any questions about this.

So where the 10 ''most wanted'' on Crimewatch 2/3 months ago.

I watched this on the news last night. Interestingly 1 in 8 (quoted by the BBC) criminals in our prisons are from foreign land. But for some reason :suspect: no one wants to ask any questions about this.

So where the 10 ''most wanted'' on Crimewatch 2/3 months ago.

TOOO UN PC... now don't mention it again!...

seeing as charles clark is saying i accept all responsability as though thats enough. should any person who god forbids gets attacked by any of these
who have been set free instead of kicked out the country be able to sue the govt ? i think they should

seeing as charles clark is saying i accept all responsability as though thats enough. should any person who god forbids gets attacked by any of these
who have been set free instead of kicked out the country be able to sue the govt ? i think they should


I agree, but it will mean more money for the lawyers. Even if the government rounds up these felons, no doubt they will seek legal representation to prevent deportation, which will mean more money for the lawyers.

Whichever way up you look at it, the lawyers will be the beneficiaries.

seeing as charles clark is saying i accept all responsability as though thats enough. should any person who god forbids gets attacked by any of these
who have been set free instead of kicked out the country be able to sue the govt ? i think they should

If he accepts responsibility does that mean he'll do the prison time for anyone who has reoffended since being released?

One point worth making on this is that some of these convict cannot be deported. 13% of them are ineligible for deportation by virtue of their EU citizenship.

Surely it is the duty of the Home Secretary is to protect the British people from potentially dangerous criminals. It is now clear that because of the powers signed away by the Government, Mr Clarke is incapable of doing this.

Not only are we unable to control our own borders because we are saddled with common European policies on immigration and asylum, we are also unable to deport criminals from other EU states, even those convicted of the most serious crimes.

Given the rates of re-offending amongst released prisoners, how will Mr Clarke explain their presence in the UK to the victims of any subsequent crimes they commit?

Is this one of the benefits of EU membership, Mr Blair?

I suppose we can all just hope that they have cars and do 35 in a 30 zone. Plod is bound to catch em then.

Charles Clarke said something similar on the news last night...wait for them to commit a crime and there DNA will be on a database. Lets hope its not a violent crime.

Charles Clarke said something similar on the news last night...wait for them to commit a crime and there DNA will be on a database. Lets hope its not a violent crime.

Look on the positive side, if one of them murders or rapes another child at least we will know its one of them and when they are finally caught again we can give them food and shelter for a few more years before we send them on their merry way again. Don't be so pessamistic.... there's always a silver lining..lol. especially if you are an illegal immigrant.

this once great country a good place to live & bring up your families has been turned into a cess pit by importing everybody else,s s***. they dont want them in thier country so they ship em here, like gil favour said,
head em up move em out. or like elvis said return to sender

this once great country a good place to live & bring up your families has been turned into a cess pit by importing everybody else,s s***. they dont want them in thier country so they ship em here, like gil favour said,
head em up move em out. or like elvis said return to sender

Well pk, nice to know you watched "Rawhide" and listened to Elvis (when you still had hair)...................:hihi:

It beggars belief that the Home Secretary and at least 20 of his top staff are still in jobs this evening................mind you, one can speculate on many things relating to Blair's staunch support of individuals at the top of government circles.

They are glued to their desk and chairs with the type of glue we just can't buy in B&Q.............

If they were deported does anybody think it would be that difficult for them to find their way back in again....? :?

Do i take it that you are not too keen on the somalians then bartfarst....... not too many are to be honest........but most say they come from there...Even though they cant speek the language or point to it on a map

waffer im afraid i dont think fartfirst will be answering your question as he over stepped the line on that subject yesterday... the thread got locked, and pruned and fartfirst aint been heard of since

maybe the norty somalis got him :)

brand em across thier forheads

If they were deported does anybody think it would be that difficult for them to find their way back in again....? :?

This may be of interest to everyone....the police report that "Fake Passport and Identity Forging Gangs" are out of Control


The Times Today (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2152219.html)

One point worth making on this is that some of these convict cannot be deported. 13% of them are ineligible for deportation by virtue of their EU citizenship.

Surely it is the duty of the Home Secretary is to protect the British people from potentially dangerous criminals. It is now clear that because of the powers signed away by the Government, Mr Clarke is incapable of doing this.

Not only are we unable to control our own borders because we are saddled with common European policies on immigration and asylum, we are also unable to deport criminals from other EU states, even those convicted of the most serious crimes.

Given the rates of re-offending amongst released prisoners, how will Mr Clarke explain their presence in the UK to the victims of any subsequent crimes they commit?

Is this one of the benefits of EU membership, Mr Blair?


NO NO NO

No Hopman you are wrong anyone that serves 2 years in prison within the eu can be deported..(1 year non eu).....anyway germany are refusing known trouble makers in for the world cup...and will deport anyone singing disrespectfull songs....or out of tune

Heard Michael Howard on the radio earlier saying he thinks Mr Clarke should resign :hihi: that would make things easier for him wouldn't it.

The thing is there is no will to send them back....No one cares.....No ones Boverd....

Again, sorry for reviving a thread which has seen its way out of the Front Page here, but one of the prisoners let out through the incompetency of the Home Office in 2004 has commited a very serious crime in Sheffield recently


Sheffield Star (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1473118)

just why should we have to put up with these people who have no intention of conforming to our laws. if the break the law send them back asap,&dont listen to that same old s*** about being persecuted. let their country of origin deal with them not the uk were to soft

NO NO NO

No Hopman you are wrong anyone that serves 2 years in prison within the eu can be deported..(1 year non eu).....anyway germany are refusing known trouble makers in for the world cup...and will deport anyone singing disrespectfull songs....or out of tune

Although it has rarely been applied, deportation of EU citizens to another member state is a possibility. EU citizens can be refused entry into another EU state under certain circumstances, i.e. on grounds of public policy or security. Thus a large group of English football 'hooligans' were refused entry to Belgium some years ago. The UK refused entry to a group of German neo-Nazis, awhile ago. If you had a potentially dangerous infectious disease, you might also be refused entry to another member state (again on the grounds of public security).

You see .....I told yer....

All the media hysteria has got my gran absolutely convinced that shes going to be stabbed by a Nigerian, shes petrified :shakes:

Again, sorry for reviving a thread which has seen its way out of the Front Page here, but one of the prisoners let out through the incompetency of the Home Office in 2004 has commited a very serious crime in Sheffield recently


Sheffield Star (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=1473118)

I bleieve at that time David Blunkett was Home Secretary ? Someone on a BBC report today claimed the 70% of those who should have been deported were allowed back into the jungle they inhabit during Blunkett's tenancy of the Home Office.