Do you remember the Kosovan refugees that came to Sheffield a couple of years ago. What happened to the spirit of goodwill that abounded at the time? Why are people with the same troubles now branded dirty asylum seekers?

could it be something to do with the fact that there are too many racists around?

Originally posted by Tony
Do you remember the Kosovan refugees that came to Sheffield a couple of years ago. What happened to the spirit of goodwill that abounded at the time? Why are people with the same troubles now branded dirty asylum seekers?
They are branded Asylum Seekers because too many people believe what they read in The Sun and The Daily Mail. They can sell more papers that way. Lets face it The Sun brainwashed people into voting Tory for 18 years. People will always brand them in that way even though from 1st of May 2004 they are free to come to this country. I heard on TV this morning that more people leave the UK each year than come into the UK.

Originally posted by kevah
They are branded Asylum Seekers because too many people believe what they read in The Sun and The Daily Mail. They can sell more papers that way. Lets face it The Sun brainwashed people into voting Tory for 18 years. People will always brand them in that way even though from 1st of May 2004 they are free to come to this country. I heard on TV this morning that more people leave the UK each year than come into the UK.
crazy crazy how can a paper brainwash anyone for 18 years ? why do we have to assume that if its in the sun or the mail its not true:loopy:

Originally posted by panda79
crazy crazy how can a paper brainwash anyone for 18 years ? why do we have to assume that if its in the sun or the mail its not true:loopy:

I don't assume that everything in the sun or the mail is untrue... but I do take what they print with a pinch of salt because they are very sensationalist

like all papers;)

yes to a certain extent. But some are more sensationalist than others

Originally posted by Tony
Do you remember the Kosovan refugees that came to Sheffield a couple of years ago. What happened to the spirit of goodwill that abounded at the time? Why are people with the same troubles now branded dirty asylum seekers?

That was more than a couple of years ago, and I think therein lies the key - September 11th, 2001.

Cant blame them, think me and my familly will be selling up soon . Leave it all to the scroungers. (what they gonna do when there is no one paying taxes anymore?)

Originally posted by panda79
crazy crazy how can a paper brainwash anyone for 18 years ? why do we have to assume that if its in the sun or the mail its not true:loopy:
Ok, perhaps not brainwash, but too many people believe the rubbish some of the papers print and this rubbish does influence some people in a big way. I do feel that The Sun played a big part in keeping the Tories in power for so (too) long. It may seem crazy to you, but then we live in a crazy world! Shame Labour didn't get their act together earlier. Once they did The Sun decided they would back them.

Originally posted by kevah
Ok, perhaps not brainwash, but too many people believe the rubbish some of the papers print and this rubbish does influence some people in a big way. I do feel that The Sun played a big part in keeping the Tories in power for so (too) long. It may seem crazy to you, but then we live in a crazy world!

but look at who was in charge for labour at that time they where unelectable..plain and simple:loopy:

Originally posted by t020
That was more than a couple of years ago, and I think therein lies the key - September 11th, 2001.
That doesn't explain anything whatsoever :confused:

Originally posted by dragonsoup
Cant blame them, think me and my familly will be selling up soon . Leave it all to the scroungers. (what they gonna do when there is no one paying taxes anymore?)

Yes, please leave and do us all a favour! Go be miserable somewhere else!

i do think that people get obsessed with stories in the paper. I think everyone should start paying attention to the real news, not just the odd article about some flag burning dude. There really is far more important things to worry about. Bit of a shame that not many people see it.

Originally posted by Tony
That doesn't explain anything whatsoever :confused:

I think it does. The terrorist attacks have caused a lot of people to be more wary of people coming into this country, particularly from certain parts of the world. I'm not saying whether or not this is justified, just one of the reasons why people may be more hostile towards asylum seekers.

I think these people contribute so much to our country.

After all. who else is going to wash our windscreens at traffic lights and then aggressively demand payment for a service we didn't need in the first place?

And the sullen refugee ladies sitting on the footpath breastfeeding their emaciated babies, while holding out their hands begging for money, do so much to liven up our high streets I always feel.

Originally posted by mojoworking
I think these people contribute so much to our country.

After all. who else is going to wash our windscreens at traffic lights and then aggressively demand payment for a service we didn't need in the first place?

And the sullen refugee ladies sitting on the footpath breastfeeding their emaciated babies, while holding out their hand for money does so much to liven up our high streets I always feel.

Interesting description of refugees. Certainly doesn't describe the refugees I know though.

Originally posted by Patchy
Interesting description of refugees. Certainly doesn't describe the refugees I know though.

Before we go off once again down the tired and well-worn "racist" path, can I suggest you type the following four words into Google: Kosovo, refugees, organised, begging.

It'll take you all day to read the results - and they're not all from The Sun's homepage either.

And just what is that supposed to prove?

Google search... kosovo refugee organised begging = 589 results
Google search... mojo working organised begging = 52 results

Interestingly though...

Google search... white man organised begging = 8,460 results
Google search... mojo working racist = 2,990 results

Google is a search engine - not evidence of social issues. Mass stereotypes are for idiots.

What happened to the kindness originally shown by Sheffielders?

Of course there are exceptions that prove the rule - that's why steroetypes exist, but like Patchy, I haven't really seen Sheffield or anywhere else being taken over by that stereotype.

I do believe that you tend to notice the exceptions if they support your predjudice though, especially if they sell column inches.

Originally posted by Tony
And just what is that supposed to prove?

Google search... kosovo refugee organised begging = 589 results
Google search... mojo working organised begging = 52 results

Interestingly though...

Google search... white man organised begging = 8,460 results
Google search... mojo working racist = 2,990 results

Google is a search engine - not evidence of social issues. Mass stereotypes are for idiots.

What happened to the kindness originally shown by Sheffielders?

Of course there are exceptions that prove the rule - that's why steroetypes exist, but like Patchy, I haven't really seen Sheffield or anywhere else being taken over by that stereotype.

I do believe that you tend to notice the exceptions if they support your predjudice though, especially if they sell column inches.

Ah Tony, I've been expecting you.

Yes, you're correct as usual. It proves nothing. There are no organised gangs of East European beggars moving around the country targeting different areas from day to day.

All those reports on Google are made up by racists (although, as usual, your definition of "race" is a bit tenuous. East Europeans are, as far as I recall, white)

Best of all though...

Google search... Tony self righteous ****** = 3,700 results

just run Yahoo search for you Mojo....

Mojo Working Racist = 13,600 results! Yes it will take a long time to read through them all if you want to bother!

Originally posted by Patchy
just run Yahoo search for you Mojo....

Mojo Working Racist = 13,600 results! Yes it will take a long time to read through them all if you want to bother!

Yes, but you're missing the point. Those are random words that don't relate to anything. I could do the same for "Patchy the mouthy tw*t" and find just as many bogus results.

The point is, If you enter these words:

Kosovo, refugees, organised, begging,

you'll find very many REAL news stories about a REAL subject. I didn't make it up. Like it nor not, they are genuine news stories.

Originally posted by mojoworking
Ah Tony, I've been expecting you.

Yes, you're correct as usual. It proves nothing. There are no organised gangs of East European beggars moving around the country targeting different areas from day to day.

Ah mojo - I anticipated your response when I made my post! That's why I put my early response in my original post... which of course you couldn't be bothered to read properly before getting your little dig in.

Here's a thought - isn't it amazing how racists always seem to feel the need to attack everyone that isn't like them - even non-racists? I wonder why?

Here it is again for you...

Originally posted by Tony
What happened to the kindness originally shown by Sheffielders?

Of course there are exceptions that prove the rule - that's why steroetypes exist, but like Patchy, I haven't really seen Sheffield or anywhere else being taken over by that stereotype.

But racists can do any search they like and come up with results to please themselves. I don't deny that there are some Kosovans who beg... but there are white English women that beg too, just as there are some white English men that wash cars!

But I don't see your point... are you trying to say that all refugees are bad just become some beg or wash cars?

You're obsessed Tony. Before we go any further with this, please explain one thing. How can it be racist to point out that some Europeans have been involved in organised begging?

Better be careful what we say about the French and Germans in future. We wouldn't want to be guilty of racism.

Originally posted by Patchy
But racists can do any search they like and come up with results to please themselves. I don't deny that there are some Kosovans who beg... but there are white English women that beg too, just as there are some white English men that wash cars!

But I don't see your point... are you trying to say that all refugees are bad just become some beg or wash cars?

Why do you insist on using the term "white English women" and "white English men"? East Europeans are white also. You're getting as obsessed with race as Tony.

This has absolutely nothing to do with race. It's about petty crime, benefit fraud and harrassment (among other things)

And of course not all refugees are bad. I was pointing out that organised gangs of East European beggars operate in the UK

Mojo, I won't get into a flame war with you - in spite of your goading. Please check who used the race term in this thread first. Yup... it was you, so how can I be obsessed?

I started this thread because I was genuinely perplexed how the change came about unless it's through the media.

You see, it's like I said before... I am quite happy to say that there are refugees / asylum seekers that abuse the system, but you just want to tar them all with the same brush.

Even now, you haven't acknowledged that you simply and needlessly perpetuated an inaccurate stereotype after two or three chances. Again... I wonder why?

Originally posted by t020
The terrorist attacks have caused a lot of people to be more wary of people coming into this country, particularly from certain parts of the world. I'm not saying whether or not this is justified, just one of the reasons why people may be more hostile towards asylum seekers. Hmmm, ok then... so how do you think you could educate people to think differently? After all... I for one was bowled over at the Kosovan Refugee Appeal that ran throughout Sheffield at the time. Folk obviously had no problem to start with.

How do we get people back to free thinking again?

Originally posted by Tony
Mojo, I won't get into a flame war with you - in spite of your goading. Please check who used the race term in this thread first. Yup... it was you, so how can I be obsessed?

I started this thread because I was genuinely perplexed how the change came about unless it's through the media.

You see, it's like I said before... I am quite happy to say that there are refugees / asylum seekers that abuse the system, but you just want to tar them all with the same brush.

Even now, you haven't acknowledged that you simply and needlessly perpetuated an inaccurate stereotype after two or three chances. Again... I wonder why?

To save you the trouble of scrolling back, my original reference to race was simply this: "Before we go off once again down the tired and well-worn "racist" path".

That means I was trying to AVOID a racist slanging match, even though somehow I knew you'd play the racist card eventually (despite the fact the refugees in question are obviously white).

Originally posted by mojoworking
(despite the fact the refugees in question are obviously white). You need to update your definitions.

Originally posted by Tony
You need to update your definitions.

Don't understand that one. Last time I looked Kosova was part of the old Yugoslavia.

Think the point is that the definition of "race" is not limited to skin colour or ethnicity - it can be linked to nationality, too.

Anyway, the point is that papers like the Mail, Express and Sun will always feed off people's irrational fear of the "other", and all it takes is a bit of intelligence and "common sense" (to use one of thise ilk of newspaper's favourite phrases) to see through all the rubbish they spout.

The vast majority of asylum seekers are here to better their lives and to contribute to society, so why not take all this loathing and project it onto a more deserving candidate (hello Mr Bush).

To tony and mojoworking

since you seem to be interested on Kosovan people, I thought I might give you some information that might change your view and perception about Kosovan.
I can only talk for myself, but yes I was one of the refugee who came to Sheffield in 1999 not through my choice but i was forced to leave my home, anyway, yeah thanks to people of sheffield who supported us so much when we first came over, life has changes since then, I have worked and contributed to UK society and paid taxes just like you two ( if you are working), never been on benefit or "begged" and now after 9 years of working hard, I am studying medicine at University.
Furthermore, regarding Kosova as a country, it is an indipendent country now, not anymore part of Yougoslavia.
Please if you want to read more about Kosova or any other country , don't trust Daily mail or the Sun, read proper newspaper, read the Times.
Good luck with your searches.

Hello med_student and welcome to the Forum :)

You'll notice that this thread is more than four years old, so let's not revive old arguments, eh? There's plenty of opportunity to start new ones!

It's very good to hear that you're doing so well for yourself now. I'd like to hear about your experience of Sheffield when you first came to live here (and since). Maybe you could start a new thread about it, and let this one lapse back into the archives where it belongs.

Why does post 20 by mojoworking have at the end of it

"Last edited by Tony : 04-05-2004 at 08:24 AM."

Now either mojoworking is a pseudonym of Tony, or Tony has a secret identity or Tony still has his mod/admin powers that he should have given up

Why does post 20 by mojoworking have at the end of it

"Last edited by Tony : 04-05-2004 at 08:24 AM."

Now either mojoworking is a pseudonym of Tony, or Tony has a secret identity or Tony still has his mod/admin powers that he should have given up

Why do you conclude, because he edited a post four years ago, that he still has his powers? :huh:


This thread is no more. It has ceased to be. It's defunct. It's extinct. It has shuffled off its mortal coil and joined the bleedin' choir invisible. Let it go!

Why do you conclude, because he edited a post four years ago, that he still has his powers? :huh:


This thread is no more. It has ceased to be. It's defunct. It's extinct. It has shuffled off its mortal coil and joined the bleedin' choir invisible. Let it go!

D'oh....not looking at the posting date again :rolleyes:

Why does post 20 by mojoworking have at the end of it

"Last edited by Tony : 04-05-2004 at 08:24 AM."

Now either mojoworking is a pseudonym of Tony, or Tony has a secret identity or Tony still has his mod/admin powers that he should have given up

Lovin the CID work........:thumbsup:.......Could one of the mods help us with this enquiry.

Why does post 20 by mojoworking have at the end of it

"Last edited by Tony : 04-05-2004 at 08:24 AM."

Now either mojoworking is a pseudonym of Tony, or Tony has a secret identity or Tony still has his mod/admin powers that he should have given up

Working from memory this is probably when mojoworking got a long ban from SF - followed a bit later by a lifetime ban (or a long ban and decided to go into "exile").

Do you remember the Kosovan refugees that came to Sheffield a couple of years ago. What happened to the spirit of goodwill that abounded at the time? Why are people with the same troubles now branded dirty asylum seekers?

It was more than a couple of years ago wasn't it. I think it was 1999, maybe 2000.

They were put up at the disused school opposite Ringinglow Fire Station (both now demolished for housing developments). I remember the first nights after they arrived they would wander up and down as far as Hunters Bar, looking very foreign and happy to be here away from the problems at home.

They were then rehoused in Hyde Park and Park Hill. Some weny back, others became the legendary forum "cheesy men".

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=44145&highlight=cheesy+men

It was more than a couple of years ago wasn't it.


Given that you're posting an answer to a question that was asked four years ago, I think that's a safe assumption.





STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD, PEOPLE!!

Given that you're posting an answer to a question that was asked four years ago, I think that's a safe assumption.

STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD, PEOPLE!!

I thought that before starting a thread we were supposed to use the search engine... Isn't this the inevitable result... I don't see the problem.

I thought that before starting a thread we were supposed to use the search engine... Isn't this the inevitable result... I don't see the problem.

Mod note: When someone starts a new thread on a topic that is already under discussion, or is very recent, then it is often reported by other forummers. The request to search usually relates to threads like those, which are then merged with new ones. Threads that haven't been posted on for years are often irrelevent and, like this one, lead to confusion.

On that basis, this one is now closed.