Wondered how everyone felt about the current rip off at Arundel Gate car park.

A 5 day parking ticket usually costs £17.50 (although it goes up to 20 notes very soon!!) this works out cheaper than paying £11 quid a day to park

Because of the snooker at The Crucible NCP have suspended the 5 day ticket as they want to 'support this prestigous event' for the next two weeks

This means that to park in Arundel Gate for this two week period will cost £110 rather than the usual £35

Ive parked in Arundel for a number of years now and cannot help feeling more than a little abused. I have sought alternative parking and plan to remain there once the snooker is done.

Ive wrote to their hard office to complain and would encourage anyone else being ripped off to do the same

Thankyou I feel better already.....

Ive wrote to their hard office

Guess NCP aint softies then?! (sorry couldn't resist) :P

NCP is a commercial company at the end of the day, and they can charge what they like when they like, just like FSY/Mainline aren't regulated on their fares. They have to make a profit to satisfy shareholders at the end of the day.

In Manchester we were given a "discounted" rate of £5.50 to park 1 mile from work in a dodgy open-air car park over the river Irwell in Salford. Public rate was £8-12 per day. Despite the costs, it was jam packed each weekday. It's all about supply and demand. I did get my own back (unlike others, who often came back to find their window smashed in and stereo gone, despite being part-time manned!!) by squeezing out of the exit for free! Unfortunately, they cottoned on and got CCTV put up!

Charley
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Yup, dont like it? dont park there simple - lot less stress than blowing a gasket complaining about something not worth complaining about.

Where the heck are you travelling from to make those sort of parking charges worthwhile? :suspect:

Personally, I can't get my head around the fact that Sheffield thinks it exists in isolation (vis: 'Sheffield women don't want posh frock shops'), and does not understand the knock on-effects each business has on another.

The snooker championships bring a huge amount of business/money into Sheffield, and with the Crucible under threat of losing the tournament, it could be something as obvious as lack of parking for organisers and coat-tail-hangers that sees this prestigious event relocated miles away from here.

In conclusion - for this week, either try car sharing, or get the bus :rant:

Ever heard of park and ride? You'll save a pretty penny over the year. Or if you live in Sheffield and work solely in the city centre it's much more environmentally friendly, and cheaper, to get the bus or tram.

I don't understand why so many people drive to work in Shef either, there's lots of bus services.

I manage to get in from Chesterfield everyday by train and walking...it's much cheaper than driving and parking....does that bit for the environment too :)

Let me explain why I personally don't use the bus to get to work.

On the bus it takes 50 minutes. I can do it in the car in 20 minutes. Thats an hour of my day saved.

In the car I can dictate what music is played meaning I don't need to listen to people playing rubbish at full blast on their mobile phone.

In the car I have access to fresh air that doesn't carry the scent of Tobacco, Urine, Alcohol or any Illegal Substances.

Its costs £20 a week to park the car and around £15 on the bus. The time I save (5 Hours a week) more than makes up for the extra petrol costs of the car.

Tough choice really isn't it! Not!

Tough choice really isn't it! Not!

You forgot to mention infection, - since I stopped using public transport I haven't suffered a single chest or head cold. I used to dread the tram with all those people packed like sardines in a tin, - coughing and sneezing and no attempt made to keep their germs to themselves.

Or some nutter with a can of cider screaming at everyone

The snooker championships bring a huge amount of business/money into Sheffield, and with the Crucible under threat of losing the tournament, it could be something as obvious as lack of parking for organisers and coat-tail-hangers that sees this prestigious event relocated miles away from here.

In conclusion - for this week, either try car sharing, or get the bus :rant:
I agree :thumbsup:

or park in a park and ride and get the tram??

I think NCP are a total rip off anyway and normally try to avoid them at all costs. A friend of mine told me that at Christmas time when they put a tip box out, that NCP emptied it and it didn't go to the employees and she should know because her dad worked for them.

Let me explain why I personally don't use the bus to get to work.

On the bus it takes 50 minutes. I can do it in the car in 20 minutes. Thats an hour of my day saved.

In the car I can dictate what music is played meaning I don't need to listen to people playing rubbish at full blast on their mobile phone.

In the car I have access to fresh air that doesn't carry the scent of Tobacco, Urine, Alcohol or any Illegal Substances.

Its costs £20 a week to park the car and around £15 on the bus. The time I save (5 Hours a week) more than makes up for the extra petrol costs of the car.

Tough choice really isn't it! Not!

I've never understood this rush to get places. A colleague of mine justifies her needless car use on the basis of it saving time. And what does she do with that extra time? She goes home and watches Sally Jesse Raphael :hihi:

BTW - in a car you are actually being exposed to worse air conditions that in public transport as you are sat directly behind another car's exhaust fumes, and at the same level as them. It may not smell that way, but really the air is full of dangerous emissions that are at much higher concentrations than public transport users, pedestrians and even cyclists are exposed to.

I use the tram to get to work and have my own music on as well - it's called an MP3 player. I can also read the paper - bet you can't do that!!

A monthly bus ticket would cost you £54, a tram ticket £35. You're currently paying £80 a month, plus petrol - not much contest there.

Using a car when more than adequate public transport is available is simply lazy, selfish and irresponsible IMHO. Don't you ever think of the damage you're doing to the environment?

I use the tram to get to work and have my own music on as well - it's called an MP3 player. I can also read the paper - bet you can't do that!!

Not so!

I like to get through business section of the Telegraph while I drive to work most mornings. I find it an useful and interesting distraction from the pile ups that everyone else seems to have every few minutes these days.

I use the tram to get to work and have my own music on as well - it's called an MP3 player. I can also read the paper - bet you can't do that!! If You put the paper on the dashboard you can read it through the reflection in the windscreen and still see where i'm going

I've never understood this rush to get places. A colleague of mine justifies her needless car use on the basis of it saving time. And what does she do with that extra time? She goes home and watches Sally Jesse Raphael I have much better things to do and time is money.

A monthly bus ticket would cost you £54, a tram ticket £35. You're currently paying £80 a month, plus petrol - not much contest there.
I don't actually park on Arundel Gate but use contract parking. Plus my employer refunds me for 75% of time as I'm in and out of the office frequently.

Even if it cost me three or four time as much as the bus or tram I still wouldn't use public transport. I utterly detest it in every way. As for the environment, i'm pretty sure my car is a lot more efficient emmisions whise than a half empty, 20 year old diesel bus.

If You put the paper on the dashboard you can read it through the reflection in the windscreen and still see where i'm going
I wondered why the print in the rags favoured by tradesmen had bigger print :roll:

Its funny how '1985' started by moaning about car park prices and now all motorists are copping an earfull for using their cars. I'm lucky enough to be able to walk to work, but when I had to drive I found NCP to be a rip off.

A rip off?

If the land had been utilised to build offices, how much rent do you think could be generated from that site?

£1.72 ?

Get your point. Its still alot of money to park a car (for me) and thats why I walk. People must be prepared to pay it becasue they're often full.

If You put the paper on the dashboard you can read it through the reflection in the windscreen and still see where i'm going.

Good to know your full concentration is on the road...



As for the environment, i'm pretty sure my car is a lot more efficient emmisions whise than a half empty, 20 year old diesel bus.

But a diesel bus is capable of carrying around 40-50 people. How much pollution do 40-50 cars of your type add? All drivers think their one car won't make a difference - but it does.

The idea that we all have hours of our time to spare every week so that we could use the bus is for most people (and certainly for myself) complete nonsense.
Even if I choose to use that extra hour every day to sit and pick my nose (I don't, it's an example), that would obviously be an activity that is valuable to me. Time spent travelling is wasted time, if we could teleport everywhere then I would.

Or some nutter with a can of cider screaming at everyone there's one in my car :) (joking)

The idea that we all have hours of our time to spare every week so that we could use the bus is for most people (and certainly for myself) complete nonsense.
Even if I choose to use that extra hour every day to sit and pick my nose (I don't, it's an example), that would obviously be an activity that is valuable to me. Time spent travelling is wasted time, if we could teleport everywhere then I would.


So most people say sod what we're doing to the world, our own individual time is MUCH more precious than that...:loopy:

Even if I choose to use that extra hour every day to sit and pick my nose (I don't, it's an example)

You do really don't you Cyclone, go on, admit it :hihi:

Could anyone pick their nose for an hour, surely that wouldn't be possible.

BM - I wasn't arguing from the environmental perspective, I was arguing with the fact that you seem to think everyone has oodles of spare time, as characterised by your colleague rushing home to watch trash on tv. It simply isn't the case, most people lead busy lives and their time is probably the most precious commodity in them.
In theory I could get public transport to work, but I refuse to spend 1hr 30 making an unpleasant trip (including 20 mins walk in whatever weather) when it's a 20 min journey in my car and far more pleasant. That's each way of course, so that's over 10hrs a week difference. I only work for 37.5, so that would be an extra quarter of my working week spent commuting.
Even if it were costing me £100 extra a week, I'd probably consider that a good deal.

Could anyone pick their nose for an hour, surely that wouldn't be possible.

BM - I wasn't arguing from the environmental perspective, I was arguing with the fact that you seem to think everyone has oodles of spare time, as characterised by your colleague rushing home to watch trash on tv. It simply isn't the case, most people lead busy lives and their time is probably the most precious commodity in them.


Some things are more important than our own time though, and I think the massive impact the cars are having on the environment is one of them. To be honest I don't know anyone who is so busy in their spare time that they couldn't spare some extra to take longer getting to and from work. What exactly is it that everyone does with their time which means that travelling has to be as quick as possible? And why is that more important than our environment?

I don't know about you, but as it is, I spend 10 hrs of my day 5 days a week either getting ready for work, travelling too and from work or at work. That's 50hrs, out of 112 waking hours in the week.
You're talking about another 20% on top of time that is already dedicated to work, 16% of my leisure time every work! In order to arguably produce less pollution, unless of course I catch an old smelly bus, or one that's half empty, in which case i'm doing nothing to help at all.

The figures don't really tell it all either, of the rest of my time, lots is already taken up, so true leisure time might be only 20 hrs a week, and you want me to give it up...

Over my working lifetime, that 10hrs a week is 2.1 years! Or 3 years of being awake.

People will use public transport when it's as convenient or nearly so as using their own transport and when it's cost effective to do so.

If they improved public transport, and made it value for money, more people would use it.

I think the massive impact the cars are having on the environment is one of them.

I'll think you'll find its minute compared to the emissions from farm animals world wide and of course air travel. Funny you never see the environ-mentalists moaning about them. Can you imagine the support they would get protesting at Manchester Airport against families that have worked hard all year to save for their relaxation in the sun?


To be honest I don't know anyone who is so busy in their spare time that they couldn't spare some extra to take longer getting to and from work.

Me personally, spend time with my family. Would you rather spend that time with the people who mean the most to you or squashed in with strangers on public transport?

The fact that cows contribute more greenhouse gases than cars is funny, I stopped riding my cow to work and switched to the more enviromentally friendly car a long time ago, isnt it time everyone else followed

I don't know about you, but as it is, I spend 10 hrs of my day 5 days a week either getting ready for work, travelling too and from work or at work. That's 50hrs, out of 112 waking hours in the week.
You're talking about another 20% on top of time that is already dedicated to work, 16% of my leisure time every work! In order to arguably produce less pollution, unless of course I catch an old smelly bus, or one that's half empty, in which case i'm doing nothing to help at all.

The figures don't really tell it all either, of the rest of my time, lots is already taken up, so true leisure time might be only 20 hrs a week, and you want me to give it up...

Over my working lifetime, that 10hrs a week is 2.1 years! Or 3 years of being awake.

People will use public transport when it's as convenient or nearly so as using their own transport and when it's cost effective to do so.

So in other words, yes, your time is more important than the environment.

I'll think you'll find its minute compared to the emissions from farm animals world wide and of course air travel. Funny you never see the environ-mentalists moaning about them. Can you imagine the support they would get protesting at Manchester Airport against families that have worked hard all year to save for their relaxation in the sun?

Actually I believe that environmentalists do protest against excessive plane use.


Me personally, spend time with my family. Would you rather spend that time with the people who mean the most to you or squashed in with strangers on public transport?

I would rather do my utmost to ensure that the future generation have a decent world to live in. It's not about giving up all your spare time and never spending it with your family. It's about making an effort. Unfortunately for most people that's too much to ask and they take the easy option.

So in other words, yes, your time is more important than the environment.

A certain amount of time is more important than a certain amount of environmental effect. It's not a one or the other, there's always a balance point between the two.
But in this case, yes, 3 years of my conscious life is more important to me than the relatively small additional impact driving to work has.

How much of your life are you prepared to sacrifice to reduce your environmental impact? I suppose the ultimate green step is to (in an environmentally friendly way) kill yourself. That way you'll not be using any more resources and won't contribute any more carbon/nitrogen/greenhouse pollution at all. I bet not many environmentallists are that concerned though.

Try parking for free!

I'm compiling a list of all parking arrangements in the city centre (and in various other important and congested places, such as the Northern and Central hospitals), to enable those who want to park for free or at a reduced cost to do so.

It will be web-based with maps you can download as PDFs and print off for your own use.

I'm doing this because I'd always rather walk 500 yards further and park for free than pay for the privilege. It's just a question of finding the completely free spaces. They do exist and I have my favourite spots all 5-10 minutes walk from most parts of town.

I feel that people would use the free spaces if they only knew of them. All the signage is designed to sweep you into the central parking zone, where all on-street parking is metered before you even think of the privately-run multi-storeys. If you knew of the free spaces you'd save £££s.

Watch this, er, space!

I'm doing this because I'd always rather walk 500 yards further and park for free than pay for the privilege. It's just a question of finding the completely free spaces. They do exist and I have my favourite spots all 5-10 minutes walk from most parts of town.


Call me selfish, but I won't advertise the places where I park for free because if I did, they'd be full each day before I got there. :|

Call me selfish, but I won't advertise the places where I park for free because if I did, they'd be full each day before I got there. :|

I've already thought about that. I'll keep one back for myself... ;)

Why not use the multi storey car park next to Victoria quays. 3 quid for a day - no worries!!

(tip - if you are staying at hilton for more than one day then dont use the hilton car park, stick it in the multi storey, you only ever pay on exit so you can stay for a week for 3 quid)

Why not use the multi storey car park next to Victoria quays. 3 quid for a day - no worries!!

(tip - if you are staying at hilton for more than one day then dont use the hilton car park, stick it in the multi storey, you only ever pay on exit so you can stay for a week for 3 quid)

Or park just across the quays from VQ car park, on Blast Lane, for free all day. About 100 yards further to walk...