does anybody think another war will kick off with iran ?

Probably, but not quite yet.

Z

I really hope not pk0 - wars are a pretty poor thing in my opinion. I found this quote from the Duke of Wellington the other day;

"Take my word for it, if you had seen but one day of war you would pray to Almighty God that you might never see such a thing again "

yes fraid so
often think that with all the billions governments spend on military budgets the poor people of the world are already fighting a/the third world war
hey idea, maybe the multinationals that pull government strings could stop hiding and maybe openly advertise via warfare: macoil inc proud sponsors of war on terror since (always)...
and dont you think spreading poverty and p.t.s.d. will make the world a happier safer place?

yes fraid so
and dont you think spreading poverty and p.t.s.d. will make the world a happier safer place?

No but i dont think that letting Iran obtain the technology to make Nuclear weapons will make it a happier safer place either!! Prevention is better than cure.

lets hope not

Iran is not Iraq and just because it was necessary to remove Saddam (oh yes it was) does not mean war is always the best option. Iran (unlike Saddam's Iraq) is a democracy of sorts and before this current nutcase got elected they did appear to be moderating a little.

Now that is clearly no longer the case and thus military action of some sort (perhaps strategic air strikes) may at least be considered an option. I am not sure an all out ground war and occupation Iraq style is a good idea as we are still having lots of problems in the aftermath of the Iraq war. That said something needs to be done to prevent Iran aquiring nuclear weapons because their president is just the sort of nutter to fire off a few at will.

read 'The Mooses' testimomy at his trail in the USA and you will see that it is inevitable. Not from the West but from Al Qeida

Mmmmm another war - anyone else see a load of dollar signs??? $$$$ kerching!

I'll tell you something. Ahmadinejad has repoeatedly broadcast his intentions to create another holocaust and wipe Israel off the map. There can be little doubt that his evil regime needs taking down - even if it will be 27 years overdue. Like Hitler who told us what he would do in Mein Kampf a full eight years before coming to power and 14 years before World War II - Ahmadinejad doesn't disguise his aims of wiping millions more Jews out and holding the West to ransom. We didn't win the Cold War against the Soviet Union to one day have Islamic nukes pointing in our direction and able to reach our cities (they're currently boasting about having missiles with a 4,500 km range - sufficient to hit all of Europe's capital cities bar Lisbon) and have our fate decided by mad mullahs in Tehran. Our grandads and great grandads didn't endure two World Wars and see 1.3 million of their fellow servicemen slaughtered and a further 3 million wounded to see their descendants live in a land totally at the mercy of Islamic fanatics. Thats why we should take the Iranian regime out - NOW - while we can still do it and at not too unacceptable a cost. Sod what Kofi Annan - the worst UN General Secretary in living memory says (remember his son Koji in the $21 billion Oil for Food scandal), and we should never forget the wise words of a Holocaust survivor when asked for his advice for future generations - "When somebody says they're going to kill you, believe them. Take them at their word", nor should we forget these words from Winston Churchill "Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves.".

Iran is not Iraq and just because it was necessary to remove Saddam (oh yes it was) does not mean war is always the best option. Iran (unlike Saddam's Iraq) is a democracy of sorts and before this current nutcase got elected they did appear to be moderating a little.

Now that is clearly no longer the case and thus military action of some sort (perhaps strategic air strikes) may at least be considered an option. I am not sure an all out ground war and occupation Iraq style is a good idea as we are still having lots of problems in the aftermath of the Iraq war. That said something needs to be done to prevent Iran aquiring nuclear weapons because their president is just the sort of nutter to fire off a few at will.
Iran is NOT a democracy of any kind. Ahmadinejad was put on an 'approved list' by the mullahs and simply beat another rabid US and Israel hating maniac. There aren't any alternative parties in Iran. Just hand picked candidates approved by the mullahs - and the one who wins is the one considered by the 'voters' or rather the local clerics to be the most anti-Western, the most rabidly antisemitic and the most anti-female.

Mmmmm another war - anyone else see a load of dollar signs??? $$$$ kerching!It wouldn't be such a bad thing to grab that oil for ourselves as compensation for all the wicked deeds carried out by that evil regime and the terrorists they sponsor. We want all the jizya we've paid out to Islamic regimes without any gratitude reciprocated back in our pockets - AND NOW. Its payback time.

Have known two Iranians, one a neighbour and the other a work colleague, both decent likeable guys just getting on with their lives and bringing up their families. I guess they were both in this country because things weren't much good at home. If we 'ordinary bods' can find so much in common with other nationalities then how come the politicians cant? :loopy:

Have known two Iranians, one a neighbour and the other a work colleague, both decent likeable guys just getting on with their lives and bringing up their families. I guess they were both in this country because things weren't much good at home. If we 'ordinary bods' can find so much in common with other nationalities then how come the politicians cant? :loopy:
Those Iranians may be decent likeable guys, but so were those who carried out the 7/7 atrocity in London, according to the folks who knew them. And here's something else which Churchill said in 1933 which is highly relevant for the times we face today:

"The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage-earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country, who, if they add something to its culture, take much from its strength. Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large proportion of our politicians....Nothing can save England if she will not save herself. If we lose faith in ourselves, in our capacity to guide and govern, if we lose our will to live, then indeed our story is told."

Many analysts say that this war is not only inevitable, but that the likelihood of it going nuclear is extremely high.
The Bush administration has more than suggested its willingness to use tactical nuclear weapons even though Iran does not at the moment possess nuclear weapons themselves.
If this happens then America will be trouncing the nuclear non-proliferation treaty forcing its 182 signatories to acquire nuclear weapons in order to deter attacks by other nuclear nations.
Using nuclear weapons against a non nuclear target will render the US outcasts, remembered as a pariah state that lay down the foundations for a world where nuclear weapon use is no longer taboo.

Well whatever happens, it needs to be UN backed and not just US led. I think the USA/Uk have had too much mud-slinging thrown its way over the Afghan/Iraq war that to move onto Iran would prove a step too far IMO. However, the UN have stated that Iran is not playing ball so they should decide what they are going to do about it.

Well whatever happens, it needs to be UN backed and not just US led. I think the USA/Uk have had too much mud-slinging thrown its way over the Afghan/Iraq war that to move onto Iran would prove a step too far IMO. However, the UN have stated that Iran is not playing ball so they should decide what they are going to do about it.

Surely the UN is redundant there are to many nations with self interests to make any worthwhile decisions

Surely the UN is redundant there are to many nations with self interests to make any worthwhile decisions
You're right about that. The two biggest being China and Russia. The U.N. as it stands now is totally useless and could do with some revamping. I mean, Libya as chair of the human rights commission, give us a break. The U.N. totally failed in Rwanda and is doing nothing about Darfur in the Sudan.

:shakes: That's hardly fair.
I think people underestimate how much it costs the people of America when we go to war. I don't think America will incite a war with Iran, but do think it inevitable if they continue the way they have been.

Mmmmm another war - anyone else see a load of dollar signs??? $$$$ kerching!