St. Patricks day is a national holiday in Ireland, St. Davids Day is a national holiday in Wales.
I think that English people celebrate St. Patricks Day more than they do St. Georges Day. (By going out and drinking Guiness and the like)
Should St. Georges Day be made a National Holiday?

Yes definatly. It's about time English people showed some patriotism and pride in their heritage. We have no need to feel ashamed and if the minorities don't like it then they can stuff it where the sun don't shine, to be blunt!

because of the idiots in the BNP, i feel ashamed to wave a english or uk flag :(

That's just silly. I never feel ashamed. I'm extremely proud to be English and fly the flag whenever I can.

There is no need to feel ashamed, aslong as you know you aren't a BNP member that's all that matters and even if you were that would be your business and nobody elses.

Be proud of your heritage!

Sounds like a good idea to me, we certainly should not be ashamed to be English, we should be proud to wave the flag of St George just as other nationalities wave their flags and celebrate their history and take a holiday !

any holiday is good!!!! :D

I think it should certainly be a bank holiday and yes it should be celebrated. I just don't understand why it isn't already. It quite annoys me that Ireland and Wales etc have bank holidays for their specific days while we are expected to just work as normal and not celebrate.

Try a protest. Surely if people can walk out of work to protest at war.....we can walk out of work to protest for our heritage???

I would gladly wave the English flag despite not technically being English, and sod the flippin lot of em. They have a problem it is THEIR problem

Moon Maiden

Yes, fly the flag, Union jack, Saint Georges, be proud to be British shout it from the house tops. This is the best country in the world patriotism is a wonderfull thing, be glad that we live in a fine country( with all it's faults.)

I have two flags for my car and fly them when it is appropriate, let people know how you feel about Great Britain. :D :D :D

everyone seems to make a big deal over st.paddys day but nowt ever seems to go off on st georges.....i'm gonns stick loads of flags outside our place and sick on a B-B Q with some extremly loud tunes as we are in the town centre do you think the police would object to the BBQ on the paved area outside?

probably..wheres your place??
I'll be sticking my flag outside my window to celebrate...any other traditional English customs we could encourage??....lager swilling??, brick throwing??,

i'm @ the bar 101 opposite TJ hughes,formally the viva bar

Originally posted by kirky
....i'm gonns stick loads of flags outside our place and sick on a B-B Q

Urgh. You might want to edit that post.:P

Nomme

oops!!! oh well you now what i mean

will the council put a tent in fargate for st.georges day ???

i'll not hold my breath !!

go out down town every year for st.georges day,about 10 of us all dressed in england attire,........people always come up to us saying things like "well done,i wish more people got involved like you lot"........JOIN US THEN !!!!

APRIL 23RD BANKERS DRAFT 12.00 NOON (ISH)

Originally posted by deanprez
will the council put a tent in fargate for st.georges day ???


Why would they? The tent for St P's day was put there by a pub to make money. If there's money to made from St G's day then they'll do the same.

Originally posted by kirky
everyone seems to make a big deal over st.paddys day but nowt ever seems to go off on st georges.....i'm gonns stick loads of flags outside our place and sick on a B-B Q with some extremly loud tunes as we are in the town centre do you think the police would object to the BBQ on the paved area outside?

They are probably more likely to object to the English flags. Inciting racial hatred and all that. :loopy:

As I was looking in Clintons card shop yesterday I saw that they had a section, a small one at that, of the shop dedicated to St George's day cards, flags etc. A small step in right direction, I reckon!!!!

Inciting racial hatred and all that.

Tell them you're not being racist, rather nationalist and then while they're thinking about that, enjoy St. George's Day.:banana:

Ok, we've been here and done this one. And as we said last time, no one is going to moan about you flying a st georges flag. It's fine, there's no law against it. In regards to putting on a party and playing loud music, that's fine too as long as you get planning for it. The reason paddy's day does so well is purely because guinness are very good at marketing. England, may have lots of excellent ales, however none are really big enough to push a st georges day like guinness do.

Originally posted by deanprez
will the council put a tent in fargate for st.georges day ???

i'll not hold my breath !!

go out down town every year for st.georges day,about 10 of us all dressed in england attire,........people always come up to us saying things like "well done,i wish more people got involved like you lot"........JOIN US THEN !!!!

APRIL 23RD BANKERS DRAFT 12.00 NOON (ISH)

if your meeting in the bankers i'm just across the road..make sure you call in here,my missis is a proper dragon,you can give her a good kickin if you like.....:)

If one of the english breweries made a big thing of St.Georges day just like Guiness do with St.Patricks day it might be celebrated more widely....I know Guiness are in it for their own gain but look at how aware they make everyone of St.Pats day...

Lets be honest here, virtually nobody 'celebrates' St Patricks day, just like they dont 'celebrate' St Georges day.

It's just an excuse to go to the pub to get wasted!

So why are people so upset that its not 'celebrated' like St Patricks day? :loopy: Is anyone stopping you from setting up a maypole?

Sorry to ask, but when is St Georges day?

Personaly, i haven't celebretaed St Patricks, i ain't Irish, never been to Ireland, and don't have a particular affinity fo Irish (don't think of it in a negative way).
I am definitly interested in celebrating our country's saint !

It's all about wearing St George's crossed hats and shouting loudly in the streets.

Knowing me i've prolly missed it :(

Originally posted by Tony
So why are people so upset that its not 'celebrated' like St Patricks day? :loopy:
Because we feel cheated out of a bank-holiday! :mad:

Yep, that is what it is all about isn't it. The bank holiday.

Originally posted by Lickszz
Yep, that is what it is all about isn't it. The bank holiday.
We get the lowest amount in Europe.

Just to add insult to injury, Northern Ireland, who are suppose to be part of the UK, get 2 more than us!

I agree. For what it's worth do you think by joining forces with the rest of Europe we will see ours increased to be on a par with them? I don't.

In today's Sun: (Thought it might interest you!)

"PUBLICAN Tony Bennett has been told he cannot stay open until midnight for a St George’s Day party — because it is not a special occasion.

He says that after he applied for an extension a court official told him it was not a public holiday and his application was likely to be rejected.

Tony, 47, WAS allowed to mark the Chinese New Year at his pub The Otter in Norwich.

Now he plans to march to court with some of his regulars to demand a rethink.

He said: “It seems you aren’t allowed to be patriotic in this country."

As Starchild would say.............discuss
:D :D

I don't really see the relevance that one pub was turned down for a special hours certificate. We don't know any of the background, and like the article said - it isn't a public holiday.

Just an afterthought - it wouldn't be like the Sun to twist a story would it?

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
Sorry to ask, but when is St Georges day?

Personaly, i haven't celebretaed St Patricks, i ain't Irish, never been to Ireland, and don't have a particular affinity fo Irish (don't think of it in a negative way).
I am definitly interested in celebrating our country's saint !

It's all about wearing St George's crossed hats and shouting loudly in the streets.

Knowing me i've prolly missed it :(

23rd april :)

I'll be sticking my flag outside my window to celebrate...any other traditional English customs

LOL, when was St George part of British History? Here is some facts people on who he is:



The man himself...George is from Cappadocia (in modern Turkey) and was raised in Palestine, and held the important rank of tribune in the Roman army. He was beheaded by Diocletian for protesting against the Emperor's persecution of Christians. In some versions, George is identified as the soldier who tore down the posted proclamation suppressing the Christian religion and confronted the Emperor to condemn him for requiring soldiers to sacrifice to the pagan gods. Diocletian first had George tortured to make him sacrifice but when he still refused, sentenced him to death by beheading. The early sources give graphic descriptions of George's imprisonment and his successful endurance of a series of horrific tortures. He so impressed the Emperor's wife, Alexandria that she converted to Christianity, and was duly executed too. George's body was taken from Nicomedia to Lydda by his mother, who had estates there. Miracles of healing soon began to be claimed by many who had visited his tomb, and early pilgrims would take dust away to bring blessings on their families, flocks, herds and houses.

George rapidly became a saint in Palestine and was held on equal footing with Moses, Elijah and St. Michael. His cult was adopted as a martyr of exceptional bravery, defender of the poor and the defenceless and of the Christian faith. St George on his white horse came to be regarded as the quintessential Christian soldier, whose protection was increasingly invoked in the Near East as the Christian communities were attacked by the Saracens. George thus became the patron saint of the Crusades. Armies reported visions of St. George before victorious battles and he became more and more popular.

The first thing anybody thinks about in connection with St. George is dragons. Everybody has heard of "St. George and the dragon" and there are countless "George and Dragon" pubs, but when pushed, people are less certain about the actual details of the story.

The story, which first gained popularity in the 14th century, is set in Lybia (or Lydda, depending on which translation you read), where a dragon was terrorising the local populace who tried to appease it by feeding it all their flocks of sheep. When all the sheep had been eaten, they turned to human sacrifices but even so the beast continued to destroy the countryside. Finally, it was decided to sacrifice the princess in a last-ditch attempt to buy off the dragon. Fortunately for her, along came St. George on his trusty white charger and duly slew the offending dragon, freeing the princess in the process. It is said that the story is allegorical, with the dragon representing Satan and the princess representing the Christian church. It does not, however, take a major leap to connect the story of George and the Dragon with the equally well-known myth of Perseus and Andromeda, and so it could be another case of the Church adapting a good pagan story and using it for its own purposes.

Your subject knowledge is admirable but I think you miss the point.

The celebrating of St George's day isn't really about remembering the heroic deeds (or not) of St. George. It's about celebrating being English and having a p*ss up!

The Irish on St Paddy's day aren't actually remembering what a great job Patrick did at getting rid of all the snakes are they?

I think TheHook's post is all the more reason to celebrate - cultural and religious diversity that is England all over init?

Where is me pint?

Moon

Originally posted by Tony
I don't really see the relevance that one pub was turned down for a special hours certificate. We don't know any of the background, and like the article said - it isn't a public holiday.

Just an afterthought - it wouldn't be like the Sun to twist a story would it?

if someone books my function room for,lets say a 21st birthday i can apply for an extension so long as i do it 2 weeks before,so i didn't think there would be a problem for st georges day :~ but like you say it my be a dodgey boozer

Originally posted by kirky
but like you say it my be a dodgey boozer

My point exactly. Who knows - the Chinese New Year party *might* have ended in the mother of all punch ups! That wouldn't get in the way of a good Sun story tho. :)

Well Zamo, if I missed duh point then cool by me, but from what I see in UK, yah don't need St G. Day to get p****d. Everyday it seems is an opportunity to get ******.

Tell yah story shall I: time of slavery, the plantation, they'd get the slaves a place and then, they'd hammer em, with as much drink as possible, until they felt sick, and so sick, that they wish they were back in the plantation.

Just like work really with companies: work in a box, with yah number on yah shirt so if yah forget yah name, or on the door, then yah get plastered in weekend and wished ya didn't drink so much, and yah looking forward to not having a banging headahe and get back to work.

So Zamo, lol, enjoy the work in the plantation. :D

What has that got to do with St G. Day? Nothing whatsoever.. Same as making ST G Day as a reason for the p***** up. Yah do it anyway lol.

St. Patrick's Day is commercialised through Guiness.

like anyones bothered about that jessy.

Maybe i'm being cynical but won't every other nation just complain, call us racists, or insensitive to their cultures and call us all drunken yobs...like they do already?

I hope its cynicism :)

Trouble is, who here really cares about St George?

Originally posted by theHook
Well Zamo, if I missed duh point then cool by me, but from what I see in UK, yah don't need St G. Day to get p****d. Everyday it seems is an opportunity to get ******.

Tell yah story shall I: time of slavery, the plantation, they'd get the slaves a place and then, they'd hammer em, with as much drink as possible, until they felt sick, and so sick, that they wish they were back in the plantation.

Just like work really with companies: work in a box, with yah number on yah shirt so if yah forget yah name, or on the door, then yah get plastered in weekend and wished ya didn't drink so much, and yah looking forward to not having a banging headahe and get back to work.

So Zamo, lol, enjoy the work in the plantation. :D

What has that got to do with St G. Day? Nothing whatsoever.. Same as making ST G Day as a reason for the p***** up. Yah do it anyway lol.

excuse me, do you mind me asking what all this 'yah' business is all about. And what is the difference between 'yah' with an 'h' and 'ya' without one? just curious, that's all.

Does the Hook work or sign on I wonder

I know 2 people who would be happy to have our saint's day off as a bank holiday because it's there birthday. :D

The Lord Nelson (Matilda St) will also be celebrating St Georges Day.
They will be showing videos of various Englamd sporting victories:
World Cup 1996, The recent rugby world cup, England (5) v Germany (1) etc. and serving English 'Grub' (Roast beef etc.)

Maybe a movement to actually celebrate St Georges day has started...

Nomme

good stuff ! 3 nights left !

Originally posted by nomme
The Lord Nelson (Matilda St) will also be celebrating St Georges Day.
They will be showing videos of various Englamd sporting victories:
World Cup 1996, The recent rugby world cup, England (5) v Germany (1) etc. and serving English 'Grub' (Roast beef etc.)

Maybe a movement to actually celebrate St Georges day has started...

Nomme

Sounds like a terriffic idea. Should be a good day at fannies but I'll be away. :( :D

dragonsoup

Does the Hook work or sign on I wonder

Your reply to your question..

I work, 7 days a week, as a Managing and Music Director. Plus, consultancy firm too employing 12 artists who are in different countries at the moment and five artists in sheffield and four admin, and three photographers. And if that's not enough for you, I am also setting up business forums with Chambers of Commerce, the Artists forum and launching a conference next year for animators and all artists from different fields to attend in Sheffield. The Hook Magazine for January 05 and the Hip Hop Comic in July 04, the animation 1hour and 30min film completed for September 04 and my fashion show launching my own clothes design in London and paris.

And for more fun, I am a freelancer doing work for Sheffield Arts Education, Creative Burngreave designing all the marketing material to printing stage. So, no, I don't work, I do what I want to do because I worked hard in past to be where I am now.

so dragon soup, what is it you do? work?

And Killian

excuse me, do you mind me asking what all this 'yah' business is all about. And what is the difference between 'yah' with an 'h' and 'ya' without one? just curious, that's all.

Nothing whatsoever. It's me being lazy.

Yeah dragon likes to make wonderful assumptions about what people do and believe in. usually based on the stereotypes that he holds to be true. From experience, he's pretty much always wrong. Which is quite entertaining.

didn't get permission for the barbie but the cheap booze good tunes and a buffet style nosh up are still on the agenda

oh yes

ST GEORGES DAY IS MY BDAY WOO


im soooo patriotic

COME ON ENGLAND!!!

F.a.o. The HOOK,

Impressed with the c.v. love but.....Your reply to your question.. does not smack of managing director material as if that would impress anyone except andy pandy. P.s. if you really are interested in what I do as youve asked (or should it be arksed in your parlance) I am an electrical contractor, very busy and also have a small number of properties rented out.

p.s. in nice areas

Pardon me.. I thought this was a thread about st george not who has the most promising and satisfying career.

Stop bitching at eachother your like a couple of netto mothers scrapping over the out of date bread!

King Solomon all of a sudden eh? Mind yer own business .

Happy Saint Georges Day everyone, now where's that flag gone!

Yes happy St Georges day to one and all.

Now the Irish have a guiness for their tipple of choice... what's ours?

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Yes happy St Georges day to one and all.

Now the Irish have a guiness for their tipple of choice... what's ours?

Tea probably, or weak lager ;)

Happy St Georges day to you English types - and thats from a Scotsman too! :thumbsup:

Are we allowed to celebrate St. George's Day on this site?

Originally posted by mojoworking
Are we allowed to celebrate St. George's Day on this site?

You can celebrate it anywhere you like mojo, why would you think otherwise?:loopy:

Happy St George's day to one and all. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by max
You can celebrate it anywhere you like mojo, why would you think otherwise?:loopy:

Happy St George's day to one and all. :thumbsup:

It was another joke Max.

I don't particularly want to celebrate it, as it happens.

The far right parties have hijacked our national symbols to such an extent that I always think there's something slightly sinister about someone waving the cross of St George and the Union flags.

But that's my problem and I wouldn't dream of trying to stop anyone else celebrating the day.

Originally posted by floyd77
Tea probably, or weak lager ;)

Happy St Georges day to you English types - and thats from a Scotsman too! :thumbsup:

LAGER!!! egad sir! *splutters into tea*! surely you should know that a true Englishman drinks a fine dark ale - and enjoys that most traditional of English dishes, a curry!

Originally posted by evildrneil
[enjoys that most traditional of English dishes, a curry! [/B]

I was arguing about this last night - is it still curry thats britains most popular dish, a couple of friends were claiming that Chinese food has overtaken it :o

To be honest I don't know - but then again I like them both (I even enjoy the occasional lager too - but shhhh don't tell anyone ;) ) and as far as I'm concerned the more variety in food et al we have the better :) Perhaps someons should come up with a St Georges Day stir fried curry?

Surely Roast beef and yorkshire pud is still our traditional dish?

it really should be a proper Sunday roast if not then a full English breakfast the food of kings !!!

Hi all, If today is St. Georges day why aren't we all dressing up and getting ready for a festive night out?

St. George is supposed to be from Turkey so you cant cant say that the English are racist with an international patron saint.

So we conquered and let some blood in the past. We should celebrate the fact that we now have the most diverse communities in the world.

What say you dear sir/madam?

What about good old English fish and chips?

happy birthday to William Shakespeare!

Happy St Georges Day folks.

Planning on steak and Ale pie tonight! What about that for a trad dish?

Moon

Originally posted by Hadron
Hi all, If today is St. Georges day why aren't we all dressing up and getting ready for a festive night out?

St. George is supposed to be from Turkey so you cant cant say that the English are racist with an international patron saint.

So we conquered and let some blood in the past. We should celebrate the fact that we now have the most diverse communities in the world.

What say you dear sir/madam?

Merged with a thread which IS celebrating St George's day.

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
Happy St Georges Day folks.

Planning on steak and Ale pie tonite! What about that for a trad dish?


Very nice - are we all invited round ;)

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
Happy St Georges Day folks.

Planning on steak and Ale pie tonite! What about that for a trad dish?

Moon

You could have used the English spelling on today of all days.:mad:

Is the new version any better dear?

Moon Maiden

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
Is the new version any better dear?

Moon Maiden

Tons better.:thumbsup: Now don't do it again.:nono:

Yes, a happy St George's day to all the forum members.

Whilst driving through Holmesfield today, I noticed the church was proudly flying the St.Georges cross, anyone noticed the flag flying elsewhere ?

absoulute bangin day.....good time was had by all,no trouble whats so ever..oh and a big thankyou to the boys in blue for sitting across the road videoing the whole event for us.

all in all a cracking day

:)

Originally posted by kirky
a big thankyou to the boys in blue for sitting across the road videoing the whole event for us.

Any ideas why? Was it for Streetcrime UK?

Hope you did something worth recording :P

(Not that I condone illegal behaviour of course ;))

plod don't like people havin a good time end of.......but we had a few BBC lads in so i reckon they were just watching them.

If its not declared a bank holiday it should be at least 'promoted' more like St.Patricks day is.

i remember last st george's day...........

we brought some flags in, and was told to take them down as it may "offend" someone.........

i was absolutely fuming with this, as was a lotof people, we wanted explanations, yet the head people did not give us one.....

we had a st paddys day in our canteen, doing stuff green etc......

we had a st davids day with daffodils, different food etc.....

we even had a USA day the other day in the canteen serving hot dogs and so forth........

yet when it was st georges day, they dint do nothing, and it irritates me like u dont know, i hate this country at times cause there is no patriosm left

Robbie, could we know the name of your unenlightened employer? They deserve to be made known!
I'm not sure that the Welsh actually get a days bank holiday for St Davids Day?
Given that the UK has fewer bank holidays than any other EU country, it seems only right to have St Georges day and a few more. Unfortunately this won't wash with the CBI (which thinks we should all work to 70 before retirement.) Their friend Tony will make another tough choice (for us!) and rule that we can't have it. The reason will be economics and not about minorities being caused offence. As St George seems to have been either Turkish or a Palestinian (certainly not English), I'm sure that minority groups would not object.

I think everyone should celebrate St Georges day more and it should become a bank holiday aswell.

I heard on the radio this morning that it was proposed to increase the number of holidays in Britain to about 6 weeks a year, I hope this is introduced! If so St George's day could be included in this.

would love to expose mate, and u wud easiuly find out if u read some other threads by me, but i dont think i shud release such info ha ha



oh well.......... dixons contact centre

Of course we shoul'd celebrate st george but in these politically correct times it woul'd be frowned upon
As for the comment fron RPG I will treat that with the conpempt it deserves.

you treat it with compempt (sic) if you like, roy.

RPG makes a very valid point. The image of the flag waving Brit is unfortunately, the image of far right politics of football hooliganism (or often the two go hand-in-hand anyway - Chealsea Headhunters for instance)
Neither of which I have any desire to associate myself with.

They's only want to take Mayday off us if they made St George's day a national holiday. And mayday means more to me

I see that the bill to make this a public holiday failed in Parliament by 112 votes to 83. :mad:

Is it not celebrated in sheffield then?

My home town always had flags everywhere and events in the pubs and living in leed last year there were huge celebrations.

It's kind of hard to celebrate when your at work. huh?

Ned Ludd makes the point that St George's supposed Arab origins would ensure that "minority groups would not object". How could they possibly object anyway, unless they have a racist desire to smother an important part of English cultural identity. There has been a concerted attempt by various "left-wing" thinkers and groups to almost forbid expressions of Englishness [whilst at the same time engaging in systematic evasion and pretence over the effects of mass immigration] during the last thirty years or more. They are the "real" racists. The English are not the only people who have engaged in colonialism, imperialism etc. The association of the flag of St George with such things is absurd, and perpetuates the deeply racist idea of inherited racial guilt. Our Lord Protector, Tony Blair once apologised to the Irish for English intransigence at the time of the potato famine. I was not aware that our Prime Minister was alive in 1846. The English, for too long, have been seen as a dangerous, "guilty" little people who need nannying and bossing around. Fly the flag proudly, and let us hope that one day we get the day's holiday we deserve. There are millions of people throughout the world who would give their eye teeth to be English...

Sir John Peel day I say....

Originally posted by Lickszz
It's kind of hard to celebrate when your at work. huh?

24 hours shifts!!?? I do pity you.

Originally posted by boyface
Sir John Peel day I say....

Seconded!

Why don't we just give everyone an extra day's holiday. They can decide when they want to have it and who/what they want to have it in memory/recognition of?

Not a bad idea yodameister as we don't get any where near as much holidays as other european countries anyway.
But as for having a day to celebrate being English I think we should. The Irish have no problems with having St. Patricks day like everywhere!
But like I said, it may be a local issue as I have celebrated St. Georges day in other cities/towns and had a great time. Leeds last year was mental arround headingley. You couldn't get in some pubs for people waivng flags with painted faces etc. It looked like an england home game up there.

why do you need permission to celebrate St George,s Day ? just take a day off.....cant see as the world would come to an end,if you dont want the day off celebrate at night,but make a stand or lay down and be walked over

Originally posted by kilauea
24 hours shifts!!?? I do pity you.

Don't make silly assumptions.

I think you missed the point. Re-read the thread again!

It is about St Georges day been a PUBLIC holiday. That means you don't have to work.

Originally posted by Lickszz
Don't make silly assumptions.

I think you missed the point. Re-read the thread again!

It is about St Georges day been a PUBLIC holiday. That means you don't have to work.

Didn't miss the point - your just not making any sense. You can celebrate whether you have a day off or not.
Therefore your statement "its kind of hard to celebrate when your in work" is just ****** regardless of context.

The idea is that you celebrate the whole day, not part of it. Since the majority of people work during this day how can EVERYBODY possibly celebrate it?

Originally posted by Lickszz
The idea is that you celebrate the whole day, not part of it. Since the majority of people work during this day how can EVERYBODY possibly celebrate it?

We don't get Halloween or Bonfire night off work but lots of people celebrate those.
As they do St. Partricks day, even if they are not Irish!

Yes, I do think St George's Day should be a national holiday. In fact any chance to have the day off of work is fine by me.

Originally posted by kilauea
We don't get Halloween or Bonfire night off work but lots of people celebrate those.
As they do St. Partricks day, even if they are not Irish!

Bonfire 'night' and halloween are evening activities.

What is 17th March in Northern Ireland?

Next you will be telling me that you can work 9-6pm on Christmas day and not miss out.

when are people going to wake up,the government allegedly work for us, the people, if we want St Georges day as a national holiday we decide, enough people taking the day off sends the message to parliament,dont have to rally in regents park by the thousand,just make a stand and have a day off ! ok you will get the other side saying if the police,fire brigade,teachers,doctors decide to have the day off people will suffer,...but like i said earlier ,.work around it,do it later,admitted its not classed as a bank holiday if you work in one of the above careers and you really have to be at work for the good of the nation but people get round it at christmas,easter etc. just celebrate it in the best way you feel you want to,...like non christians still have easter and christmas off with pay,they arent forced into singing carols or buying easter eggs,they work round it but still enjoy there time off,......appoligies,long post , but why do we have to ask for a day off ? read somewhere a quote " if there were no slaves,there would be no masters " be your own person,do what you want to without hurting anybody else

The simple fact is that any form on patriotism is frowned upon by the establishment,you see this goes agaist the P C thinking in the coridors of power.
The house of traitors as we call them will never do anything which they THINK will upset the newcomers to this country so you can forget them allowing a celebration of this nature to take place.
As for flying the flag I myself have a very large union jack above my bed so I am never far from the symbols of this great country.
Finaly we in the BNP also celebrate trafalgar day and many more besides as we love our country and all its symbols.
Be proud of your country and never feel ashamed to show your love for this land.

Originally posted by RPG
because of the idiots in the BNP, i feel ashamed to wave a english or uk flag :( forgive me if im wrong but dont our troops wear the union jack on their right sleeve of their combat jackets,?.if its good enough for them then im blxxdy sure its only fair we should follow their example of patriotism bnp,hooligans or not.it is after all our national flag. mine is a lapel badge that i wear on a regular basis not through any association with sports fanatics or political parties just that i am british and very proud of it.i will as always be attending the armistice parade in barkers pool to show my appreciation for what our elder british people went through to provide me with the britain i live in today,perhaps it hasent turned out the way they expected it to but we still have our freedom and certain rights that we would not have had if not for their effort

Everyone shoul'd pay there respects on armicise day to those who fought and died for this country we do indeed owe them our gatitude and respect.
But back to the thread,have you never asked yourself why we dont celebrate st georges day?
Like someone said we celebrate st patricks day and numerous others but not our own,the trouble with the english is we are too soft we let ourselves be dictated to by the powers that be.
Well we in my party dont ,and we never will,no matter what ,we will stay proud and loyal to our country and respect what our forebares did for this country.
We have a lot to be proud of and we need to say it more often.

Originally posted by Lickszz
Bonfire 'night' and halloween are evening activities.

What is 17th March in Northern Ireland?

Next you will be telling me that you can work 9-6pm on Christmas day and not miss out.

Come on now - you don't need a whole day to celebrate something! I have managed to celebrate all the above inluding St Georges day with a good night out.

17th March in northern Ireland is St. Particks day the same as everywhere else. Not sure what you mean there?

But the point is you do need the day. That is why is it called St Georges 'day' not night - see?

So, I ask again - How can everybody who wants to celebrate the day do that when it is a working day?

For St Patricks day look up Public holidays in Northern Ireland.

Originally posted by Lickszz
But the point is you do need the day. That is why is it called St Georges 'day' not night - see?

So, I ask again - How can everybody who wants to celebrate the day do that when it is a working day?

For St Patricks day look up Public holidays in Northern Ireland.

I don't need to look anything up as I spent 2 years in Northern Ireland and saw with my own eyes St. Patricks being celebrated.
Think we are going round in circles here anyway - I believe that I am perfectly capable of celebrating a person/event in a single evening - you need all day.
You just must party harder than me or something.....

I was wondering if anyone plans to celebrate their englishness on St George day??
I will be getting togeather with some good friends and will celebrate our culture and identity,I am proud to be English as well as British.
I know that in this day and age its frowned upon to celebrate your race and identity but we will be celebrating.
I hope others will do the same.

well said roy james, i think quite a few will be doing the same. it seems people feel guilty about doing this, dont no why ?.:clap: :clap:

I would celebrate it, but I probably wont have recovered from Paddy's Day :D :D :D

seems people feel guilty about doing this, dont no why ?.

I always put it down to apathy myself, not guilt.

Originally posted by royjames
I know that in this day and age its frowned upon to celebrate your race and identity but we will be celebrating.
I hope others will do the same.

Only the English identity, it seems. Pubs are gearing up with all kinds of promotions and rubbish for St Patrick's day.

Well you are probably right,but I feel that now our very own David Blunkett has told us to celebrate our englishness then maybe more people will.
:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames
Well you are probably right,but I feel that now our very own David Blunkett has told us to celebrate our englishness then maybe more people will.
:thumbsup:

When people say "englishness" I instantly think of:

Our obsession with drinking tea.

Holding doors open for people.

The way we run for a train or bus but act like we're not really running for it - especially if we miss it.

The way we complain to our partners about an awful meal but when the waiter comes over and asks if everything was ok, we say "Yes, lovely"

Toilet humour.

The 'thank you' look that pedestrians give you when you stop at a Zebra crossing.

.... and countless others.

St George wasn't English I seem to remember being told at school; how odd he ended up being our patron saint! :huh:

K x

Originally posted by Kristian
St George wasn't English I seem to remember being told at school; how odd he ended up being our patron saint! :huh:

K x

Not as odd as a jew from the middle east ending up as our saviour though. ;)

I was in Barcelona for St Georges day once, one of the best days of my life, absolutely mind blowing how passionate they are about our St George.
I've never seen celebration like it anywhere in the world before or since.

Originally posted by royjames
I know that in this day and age its frowned upon to celebrate your race


If you are ever puzzled as to why some people feel uncomfortable celebrating St Georges day it is because a minority in this country use the day not to celebrate the nation but to celebrate the white race.

I'm going to an event were we will vote for the greatest ever sporting achievement by an English team, then watch the winning match. I'm plugging for the Rugby world cup to win. But if the day is about celebrating being white instead of being English this victory will have to be void due to the contribution from black players.

I just wish I could celebrate being English without people hijacking my nationalism into representing something I'm utterly opposed to, racism.

Originally posted by royjames
Well you are probably right,but I feel that now our very own David Blunkett has told us to celebrate our englishness then maybe more people will.
:thumbsup:
Amazing!.....it was when Blunkett was in charge in Sheffield that he wouldnt allow the union flag or St'George flag to fly outside the city Hall.....What made him change his mind....or did he not see the relevance?

Originally posted by Kristian
St George wasn't English I seem to remember being told at school; how odd he ended up being our patron saint! :huh:

K x


St Patrick was not Irish either. He was Welsh.

Its also odd how famous or infamous figures in history came from different backgrounds from the countries with which they are usually associated e.g. Napoleon was not 'French' (he was Corsican) Stalin was not a Russian (he was Georgian); Hitler was not German (he was Austrian); Saladin was not an arab (he was Kurdish); Cleopatra was not an 'Egyptian' (she was I believe Greek). I am sure there must be others of this kind, but can't think of any at the moment. .

I might have a traditional lager (or several) and a curry.

Originally posted by LordChaverly
St Patrick was not Irish either. He was Welsh.

Its also odd how famous or infamous figures in history came from different backgrounds from the countries with which they are usually associated e.g. Napoleon was not 'French' (he was Corsican) Stalin was not a Russian (he was Georgian); Hitler was not German (he was Austrian); Saladin was not an arab (he was Kurdish); Cleopatra was not an 'Egyptian' (she was I believe Greek). I am sure there must be others of this kind, but can't think of any at the moment. .

Cheers for that! Thats the most intelligent post i've seen on here for ages! Cheers!

Originally posted by LordChaverly
St Patrick was not Irish either. He was Welsh.

Its also odd how famous or infamous figures in history came from different backgrounds from the countries with which they are usually associated e.g. Napoleon was not 'French' (he was Corsican) Stalin was not a Russian (he was Georgian); Hitler was not German (he was Austrian); Saladin was not an arab (he was Kurdish); Cleopatra was not an 'Egyptian' (she was I believe Greek). I am sure there must be others of this kind, but can't think of any at the moment. .


Yes I have to say this is a good post,it just goes to show dont it?
I always thought cleopatra was egyptian,still those greek women are nice.:thumbsup:

Originally posted by LordChaverly
St Patrick was not Irish either. He was Welsh.
True, (although I think he was actually Scottish) but he did at least spend most of his life in Ireland, convert the Irish to Christianity, and apparently get rid of all their snakes. Unlike St George, who I believe came from somewhere around the Mediterranean (possibly Palestinian?) and never came within hundreds of miles of England.

(fascinating post BTW LordChav)

According to this page (http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintg05.htm), St George is also the patron saint of: Aragon; agricultural workers; archers; armourers; Beirut, Lebanon; Boy Scouts; butchers; Canada; Cappadocia; Catalonia; cavalry; chivalry; Constantinople; Crusaders; equestrians; farmers; Ferrara Italy; field hands; field workers; Genoa Italy; Georgia; Germany; Gozo; Greece; herpes; horsemen; horses; husbandmen; Istanbul; knights; lepers; leprosy; Lithuania; Malta; Moscow; Order of the Garter; Palestine; Palestinian Christians; plague; Portugal; riders; saddle makers; saddlers; skin diseases; skin rashes; soldiers; syphilis; Teutonic Knights; Venice;

I am very proud to be English, although I'm possibly more proud to have a grandmother who was one quarter English, one quarter Irish, one quarter Scottish and one quarter Welsh. Englishness is a strange beast: I think Jeremy Paxman tied it down best in his book on the subject. The fact that "England" is in many ways synonymous with "Britain" actually means that we have a far weaker national identity in many ways than the Welsh, Scots or Irish, who are all more fiercely proud of their minority status. But what I like most of all about England and Englishness is that this is such a land of moderation, acceptance and mild eccentricities.

I shan't be celebrating St George's but that's just because I don't really do things like that, I don't feel a need, but I certainly won't be begrudging anybody who does.

Raise a glass to the patron saint of herpes!

And just to disillusion the Bravehearts among us, William Wallace was not a Celt and he certainly never painted his face with woad.

Wallace was a lowland Scot and as far as we can tell was a descendant of Saxon settlers (of the same ilk as those who settled in England). The term Sassanach was originally used by Scottish Highlanders to describe the lowland Saxon settlers - so Wallace was actually a Sassanach!

........ and our royal family is German and the power in Westminster is with Scots!

Mod: St Georges threads merged

8) Nah Den Ace....

It's not about where ya from.........

............it's about where ya at!

Regards,

Seamus Winston Abdul O'Seamusson

O N E L O V E

Originally posted by LordChaverly
St Patrick was not Irish either. He was Welsh.

Its also odd how famous or infamous figures in history came from different backgrounds from the countries with which they are usually associated e.g. Napoleon was not 'French' (he was Corsican) Stalin was not a Russian (he was Georgian); Hitler was not German (he was Austrian); Saladin was not an arab (he was Kurdish); Cleopatra was not an 'Egyptian' (she was I believe Greek). I am sure there must be others of this kind, but can't think of any at the moment. .

Thanks LC, that's really informative! :thumbsup:

K x

Why is it...

That the world over, you can go into a bar or communal meeting place and say "I am Irish/Scottish/Welsh" and you will get people popping up saying "I am a quarter/eigth/fifth/ninety-ninth Irish/Welsh/Scottish" and yet if you mention you are English no-one seems proud enough to admit it? Are they ashamed?

Originally posted by Litotes
Why is it...

That the world over, you can go into a bar or communal meeting place and say "I am Irish/Scottish/Welsh" and you will get people popping up saying "I am a quarter/eigth/fifth/ninety-ninth Irish/Welsh/Scottish" and yet if you mention you are English no-one seems proud enough to admit it? Are they ashamed?

I think partly what I mentioned above: because those nations represent minorities within Britain, people feel more of a need to speak up and make their identity show. Whereas English people, being in the majority, don't feel the same need. See also my post on gay people acting gay (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=332548#post332548).

And, incidentally, most people do it at some time or other, in situations where they are in a minority. For example, people from Sheffield tend to make more of the fact that they are from Sheffield than, say, people from London.

Originally posted by DanSumption
I think partly what I mentioned above: because those nations represent minorities within Britain, people feel more of a need to speak up and make their identity show. Whereas English people, being in the majority, don't feel the same need. See also my post on gay people acting gay (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=332548#post332548).

This is true, and I think that another factor is the current trend of 'fashion minorities'. It's fashionable to be 'a bit gay' or 'a bit Irish' or whatever. The ones posing with it, claiming to be '1/8th Irish' (e.g. 1 great-grandparent was Irish) are just taking part in a fashion minority.

Only slightly on topic this but during an interview reagaridng St Georges Day on this Morning, The Rt Unhonorable David Blunket said that celebrations may be limited as this year the event falls in the midst of the general election. It was a pretty off the cuff the remark relating to why their was no organised parade in London. Later on in the interview when pushed on when the general elction would be, he spun on and on about how no date was set etc. etc.

As the football song says,same old Blunkett always cheating.

Dan Sumtion's point about English people not "feeling the need" [as a majority within the UK] for outward expressions of patriotism is a valid one. English identity is not usually seen as being 'under seige', in the way that Ulster Protestants often view their own cultural identity. However, this is changing with the influx of immigrants into English cities. The reaction is a brooding, slow-burning resentment expressed with an increased unfurling of the flag of Saint George. This displaying of the English flag is not confined to football fans. Increasingly, we see an awakening occurring; a realisation on behalf of an often patronised, reviled and forgotten people that they too have a voice.

I'm all for St. George's Day. and should be celebrated just as much as the Scotch, Welsh and Irish do. I'm all for a national holiday, so fly the flag of St George and BE PROUD

Lord Chaverley,
I must congratulate you, my Lord, for some recent interesting postings. Not the least of which is your posting on this thread pertaining to William Wallace. It is refreshing to see attention drawn to, the often forgotten, genetic and cultural contribution to lowland Scotland by 'Saxon' settlers [more accurately, Northumbrian Angles].

However, I am not so sure about your claim that Wallace was not of Celtic origin. Rather than 'Saxon', as you suggest, Wallace is usually regarded as an Anglo Norman lord. The surname, Wallace is a Scottish form of the Anglo French name, Walais, which means 'Welshman, Celt'. In Scotland, it most probably refers to the Strathclyde Britons, who were Brythonic Celts. Does this not suggest that Wallace was of Celtic origin? Either a Briton of Strathclyde, or perhaps part of the Celtic Breton contingent amongst the Anglo Norman lords?

well ive just this minute taken a booking for this years st georges day.......i shall be bangin out the choons at the penny black in pondstreet........:thumbsup:

Originally posted by timo
Dan Sumtion's point about English people not "feeling the need" [as a majority within the UK] for outward expressions of patriotism is a valid one. English identity is not usually seen as being 'under seige', in the way that Ulster Protestants often view their own cultural identity. However, this is changing with the influx of immigrants into English cities. The reaction is a brooding, slow-burning resentment expressed with an increased unfurling of the flag of Saint George. This displaying of the English flag is not confined to football fans. Increasingly, we see an awakening occurring; a realisation on behalf of an often patronised, reviled and forgotten people that they too have a voice.

I've just read this posting out loud. More pathos can be added to the last sentence if some Holst is blaring out in the background.

Originally posted by kirky
well ive just this minute taken a booking for this years st georges day.......i shall be bangin out the choons at the penny black in pondstreet........:thumbsup:

from 4pm:D

A few years ago when Carl Fogarty was World SuperBike Champion the complete top half of his leathers was the flag of ST George- the French [and most of the other foreigners] were so impressed with his bravery they called him Lionheart. No one suggested any connection with racism or "unhealthy nationalism"

Nuff said.

Originally posted by Nimrod
A few years ago when Carl Fogarty was World SuperBike Champion the complete top half of his leathers was the flag of ST George- the French [and most of the other foreigners] were so impressed with his bravery they called him Lionheart. No one suggested any connection with racism or "unhealthy nationalism"

Nuff said.

Erm... I fail to see what point you're making. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that displaying a St George's cross or being proud of your country is racist. I think you are a bit paranoid.

The thing is, Andy, there are those out there who certainly do equate the flag of Saint George with racism. Some neurotic, unpleasant types like Clare Short MP would not even describe themselves as 'English'. Apparently, she regards herself as 'British' despite having been born in England. The reason given was because of her considerable Irish ancestry, and the influence of her father's sense of grievance against past English colonial wrongdoing.

A couple of years ago in Toxteth [in the city you and I both are fond of], a white pensioner and war veteran was given a hard time by locals and by Police for displaying the flag in his window. The flag was accompanied by anti- EU slogans, and "Remember World War Two".

Nimrod may sound a tad paranoid to you, but there are some odd types out there who really do see the flag as dangerous, even a fascist symbol. The kindest and wisest thing we can do is to laugh at them. Some of the earliest architects of multiculturalism, one suspects, had in mind the eventual disappearance of English identity. What other motive can they possibly have had? How very wrong they were. The flag of Saint George [and who truly cares if he was from Brightside or Baghdad ?] is now a common sight on English streets, in English windows. Long may it remain so!

Originally posted by timo
Lord Chaverley,
I must congratulate you, my Lord, for some recent interesting postings. Not the least of which is your posting on this thread pertaining to William Wallace. It is refreshing to see attention drawn to, the often forgotten, genetic and cultural contribution to lowland Scotland by 'Saxon' settlers [more accurately, Northumbrian Angles].

However, I am not so sure about your claim that Wallace was not of Celtic origin. Rather than 'Saxon', as you suggest, Wallace is usually regarded as an Anglo Norman lord. The surname, Wallace is a Scottish form of the Anglo French name, Walais, which means 'Welshman, Celt'. In Scotland, it most probably refers to the Strathclyde Britons, who were Brythonic Celts. Does this not suggest that Wallace was of Celtic origin? Either a Briton of Strathclyde, or perhaps part of the Celtic Breton contingent amongst the Anglo Norman lords?

Thank you Timo, for those kind words. You may well be right about Wallace's genealogy. Historians are still debating about his ancestry and the fact is that there is as yet no definitive account of his origins. Some of the most well-known explanations derive from texts written centuries later. The most widely accepted explanation, mentioned in many books and websites, has now I think been quite convincingly proven to be false. He does seem to have been the son of a Wallace of Ayrshire, but there are a lot of Wallaces in Ayrshire!

As for the Scots, they are very much a mixed bunch - an amalgam of indigenous tribes (e.g. 'Picts'); (Irish settlers (where the term 'Scot' derives from); Anglo-Saxon settlers and Noresemen. Incidentally, the Picts didn't call themselves Picts - the term is Roman and refers to painted people (because of their custom of painting their bodies) - so the word Pict has the same derivation as the word Picture!

Why does St Georges day have to be the day to celebrate being English?

Not all countries by any means have their national celebration on their saints day eg USA have Independence Day, France has Bastille Day.

Our nearest equivalent is 5th November so why not make that a Bank Holiday - especially as there's nothing between August Bank Holiday and Christmas.

The answer is that both the US and France have constitutions which separate church and state. It would make no sense for them to celebrate a saint!

Given that only a small pecentage of people in this country attend church I can't see it making much sense for us to celebrate a saint either.

But in most people's minds, the connection between St George and the Christian religion is tenous at best. In fact i would say it is so far removed as to be almost non-existent. What the St. George's flag really represents is historical continuity - i.e. it has in one form or another been used as an English national symbol for many centuries.

Part of the reason why it has become more prominnt in the last decade or so has to do with the establishment of national parliaments in Scotland and Wales and therefore the perceived need to express an English identity separate from those of Scotland and Wales.

Yes - but why St Georges Day?

The Scots celebrate hogmannay (sorry if that's spelt wrong) - why can't we have something a bit more imaginative like that than something most people have never given tuppence about for donkey's years.

5th November fits the bill a lot better IMHO.

Lord Chaverley is correct here, in my view. The symbol of Saint George has become the symbol of England and Englishness, is strong enough to withstand any amount of 'deconstruction', and is an example of the continuity of tradition. It is an attractive symbol too, echoing the perceived bravery and gallantry of the English character. Of course, if one visits the centre of any English town or city in the evening, one will encounter scenes of paralytically, spectacularly oafish nature as to beggar belief. That is beside the point.

His Lordship is correct to in respect of the rise in expressions of Englishness, and a growing awareness of a distinct English identity, in relation to the rise in nationalistic feelings and the creation of separate parliaments and assemblies in the 'Celtic fringe'.

There appear to be, at least to me, signs that the English are at ease with themselves, with their unique identity. This is remarkable, given their bombardment for nearly fifty years by a blitz of propaganda, of left wing origin, which suggests that only thumping crooks and scoundrels can be patriots. This fatuous rubbish, supplied by the likes of The Guardian, Socialists, shrill harpies like Yasmin Alibi- Brown and Polly Toynbee, Searchlight etc, suggests too that the English have much to be ashamed of in terms of what their ancestors did. The demented fools [who also have contributed to the evasion and pretence around the effects of mass immigration] fail to see the 'reverse- racism' here, the perpetuation of the spurious idea of inherited 'racial guilt'. Despite all this, the flag still flies, and the English [contrary to what faceless 'suits' in Brussels desire] are still identifiable.

Our patriotism is feared by some. Maybe, if one looks back into the past, even across to Ireland, this can be understood. However, it is time for other nations, and particularly our cousins, the Welsh, Scots and Irish, to realise that the English too have just as much reason to celebrate their identity, traditions and culture.

i will tell you why its because we in the uk are afraid to upset the ethnics or the pc brigade :rant: i bet you that not one flag will be flying on the day. we should stand up for ourselves sod the ethnics and the pc brigade and fly our flags with pride

st george (http://englishculture.allinfoabout.com/features/st-georges-day.html)

What a load of bull.

If you want to celebrate St Georges day, then go ahead and fly your flags. It wouldn't bother me at all.

Of course, it means you will have to get off your fat backside and do something tangible for a change...

Silly PC Brigade eh; they're to blame for all of your problems aren't they :loopy:

Originally posted by craigmason
i will tell you why its because we in the uk are afraid to upset the ethnics or the pc brigade :rant: i bet you that not one flag will be flying on the day. we should stand up for ourselves sod the ethnics and the pc brigade and fly our flags with pride

st george (http://englishculture.allinfoabout.com/features/st-georges-day.html) I'm one of the biggest "PC Doogooders" around today and I love to celebrate St George's Day. My friends and I usually end up in a pub surrounded by similarly patriotic English types and enjoying the atmosphere.

I'm surprised at the amount of time people waste bemoaning the fact that nobody celebrates this day when they could be devoting their energies to having a good time on the alloted day instead!

I would say it might be because St George has nothing to do with England what so ever. In fact I think he came from Asia Minor.

You can fly what ever you like, good on you. Think I like the Union flag better as it represents all the countries in the Union. It would also make more sence to have a Yorkshire, London, Northumbrian day ect, ect as I can't really say I feel that much in common with London as apposed to Scotland.

I will just go and find that white rose flag....

Mod. Notice.

Similar threads merged - please use the Search Function!

Joe

I know this is slightly off topic but my party are having a Yorkshire day this sunday,not sure exactly what this will entail but anything for a good p*ss up .

[MOD NOTE] This is not only off topic but also party political - you are free to discuss politics and political stances - however Sheffield Forum will not be a ground for recruiting / organising party political events of ANY flavour.

oh roy you naughty boy you have gone and upset the mods :hihi:

Originally posted by evildrneil
[MOD NOTE] This is not only off topic but also party political - you are free to discuss politics and political stances - however Sheffield Forum will not be a ground for recruiting / organising party political events of ANY flavour.



Well thats fine as I was not looking to recruit anyone just saying we have a yorkshire day?
:thumbsup:

Originally posted by craigmason
i will tell you why its because we in the uk are afraid to upset the ethnics or the pc brigade :rant: i bet you that not one flag will be flying on the day. we should stand up for ourselves sod the ethnics and the pc brigade and fly our flags with pride
What a load of utter b*llocks. That may have been the case last time you poked your head out of your door about 20 years ago, but if you'd stepped outside and looked around you during any major football tournament of recent years then I think you'd have seen most of the "ethnics and pc brigade" saying "sod craigmason" and flying their flags of St George with pride. And I don't think there's been a St George's day in memory when I haven't seen any flags flying, so your prediction that "not one flag will be flying on the day" is way off mark.

Originally posted by royjames
Well thats fine as I was not looking to recruit anyone just saying we have a yorkshire day?
:thumbsup:

If you really cared about celebrating St Georges day shouldn't you be trying to discourage people like, Craig who is a proud and open racist, from joining in with your celebrations?

This after all is why so many people feel unease about celebrating the day, as it has been hijcaked by people such as Craig and other neo nazi groups.

If you want people to celebrate our national day make it about celbrating our nation and not just your skin colour.

As a Tyke, exiled in Lancashire, I can assure everyone that the flags are flown in great abundance here in Southport. They are to be seen, or at least were to be seen last 23rd April, in countless windows and on countless flagpoles, including the town hall. Hundreds of people wear t-shirts bearing the image of the cross on the day. The local schools enthusiastically celebrate the event, and the local newspapers provide good coverage.

In many English towns like this one, the tradition has been revived of late. Whether it is because of the influence of football, the increasing nationalist sentiment in Wales and Scotland, or a perception that there is a crisis in immigration, or a combination of these variables, things have changed. In most of darkest Lancashire, at least, shops stock the cards and flags. They are at least available. In the 80s, practically nobody, outside of nationalist political parties, and the pressure groups of the Conservative Party's right-wing [Monday Club etc] bothered to even acknowledge the day, let alone celebrate it.

Contrary to what a previous poster said, people do 'fly the flag' without fear of offending ethnic minorities or 'politically correct' types. The attitude in Southport is, whoever does not like it, does not have to join in.

So all of you fly a flag to celebrate a person that has nothing to do with England???

Gd1,
The point is, Saint George has become associated inextricably with England over the centuries. Or had you failed to notice that?

I agree. All national symbols are arbitrary in one way another.
An example of the arbitrariness of flags is that of the EU - i.e. twelve stars on a blue background. The twelve stars supposedly represent a 'symbol of perfection', but why 12 stars should be any more perfect than 10 or 14 defies rational explanation.

The same applies to the liveries of football teams. For example, the Blades are red and white and the Owls are blue and white - but it could just as easily have been the other way round. And this doesn't make Blades or Owls supporters any less passionate in support of their respective 'colours'.

Nations only tend to change their flags after some major disjunctive event, such as a revolution or a total defeat in war, constituting a decisive break with the past. England has had neither, so the impetus for change has not been there.

St George inextricably linked with England over the years??

Apart from;

"Cry God for Harry, England and Saint George!"
William Shakespeare (Henry V)

I can't think of any other popular reference to the old dragon slayer.

Don't think Churchill ever mentioned St George in his famous wartime speeches.

Happily stand corrected if any reliable references / links.

So how long has St George been the patron saint of England?

Guess it's been long enough for most English people to recognise St George as the patron saint. I for one will be celebrating - as always.

Originally posted by timo
Gd1,
The point is, Saint George has become associated inextricably with England over the centuries.

That wouldn’t go down to well in Barcelona

We have a glass panelled door at work that allows people to see into a private area. (Silly design).

Last year on St George's day I replaced the sheet of tissue that obscured it with the St George's Red Cross flag.


It's still there. :thumbsup: :clap:

Disco,
Do you honestly think that I care what "goes down well" in Barcelona?! LOL.

one of the thoughts i have about this is if the english people burn a eastern state flag, we would be classed as being racist but if an eastern person burn an english flag he wouldn be classed as anything, also if you remember a few months back all the pubs and bar wher gonna ban all of the st george's flags incase people of other countrys got offended by it, but the last time i checked i live in england

base2001 - you shouldn't believe everything that you read or hear in the pub. It is often complete nonsense. :)

nah it was actually on the news it was round about wen the iraq think was going on

Originally posted by base2001
nah it was actually on the news it was round about wen the Iraq think was going on

As pretty much every single story similar to this are usually made up, it's common courtesy to provide a link to a reputable site backing up the story.

St Georges day is also my Brothers Birthday, When the local pubs can get an extension for anything but this day, it smacks of racism by any other name:suspect:

Originally posted by DJI66
St Georges day is also my Brothers Birthday, When the local pubs can get an extension for anything but this day, it smacks of racism by any other name:suspect:

How is not opening a pub after hours racist?

well, bak on topic, i think it SHOULD be a national holiday also, why not? I am a patriot and i shall be flying my flag.

Originally posted by steelblade
That's just silly. I never feel ashamed. I'm extremely proud to be English and fly the flag whenever I can.

There is no need to feel ashamed, aslong as you know you aren't a BNP member that's all that matters and even if you were that would be your business and nobody elses.

Be proud of your heritage!

Steelblade is spot on…….it’s about heritage not hatred.

Originally posted by DJI66
St Georges day is also my Brothers Birthday, When the local pubs can get an extension for anything but this day, it smacks of racism by any other name:suspect:

Your brother also shares his birthday with a certain Bill Shakespeare.

A couple of years I was in a pub on St Paddy’s day and as usual the Guinness was on special promotion. I don’t celebrate March 17th as I’m English. I asked the landlord if the beer was going to be cheap on April 23 so we could celebrate St George’s day…….after I got a blank look…..he said “eerrrr no”.

Originally posted by Andy78
As pretty much every single story similar to this are usually made up, it's common courtesy to provide a link to a reputable site backing up the story.

Base and DJ do have good points, but you can’t always readily find a link especially for something that happened sometime ago.

I know for a fact that certain pubs in Birmingham were “encouraged” to take down the Irish flags after the pub bombing in 1974. I remember reading the story in the newspaper. The article went on to explain how innocent people in the Irish community, who had “no truck” with the terrorist, felt the backlash.

Sorry I can’t provide you with a link to which newspaper it was.

Heuy we will be having a right celebration on st george day,the flags will be out the barbie will be going and the lager will be flowing.
Ah cant wait:thumbsup:

Originally posted by royjames
Heuy we will be having a right celebration on st george day,the flags will be out the barbie will be going and the lager will be flowing.
Ah cant wait:thumbsup:

I will also be celebrating this land that I am so proud of. I will be celebrating every English person. black, white, brown, yellow, pink. I will admire the mixture of cultures that has made England what it is today. May our dynamic culture carry on and develop for many more generations to come.

Cheers roy! as strange as it may seem to you, these crazy leftoids also love their country too. It's just that we love everything about it, not just selected parts.

Anyone wanting to vote for St Goerges day to be a public holiday can vote here http://stgeorgesday.com/index.htm

Excellent link owdlad,guess which way my vote went?:hihi:

I was just in the crowd outside the Town Hall and we were all handed St Georges flags by the city centre ambassadors. So when this thread gets re ignited with all the myths of the council appeasing Muslims by banning people displaying the flag and celebrating the day, can people watch the news tonight and realise what rubbish such claims are.

Good point and well made

Is it St. Georges day then?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Is it St. Georges day then?

No but when it is this board will be full of people spouting lies about the Council banning anyone displaying the flag of St George. Just wanted to point out that far from banning the flag the council last night had bought hundreds ands were handing them out to people outside the town square.

So they'll allow the flag waving for a sports "HERO" who for once EARNED his income as a professional - like many other 'professionals' do everyday :roll:

Lets see IF the council ambassadors hand the flags out on St Georges day next April eh??:thumbsup:

I was born on st George's Day so i'm understandably in favour of it being a made a holiday!!

Originally posted by lexatron
I was born on st George's Day so i'm understandably in favour of it being a made a holiday!!

So was my son, so he up for it too. :D

That's odd, because my birthday often falls on a bank holiday, or a holiday weekend, yet I don't like it.

Does the Hook work or sign on I wonder

Didn't see that one. I don't work and kiss the ass of bosses. No. I didn't come all way from another country to work in some job or sign on. I have my own businesses. And what has that got to do with anything?

You think someone successful or has a job needs to speak pure english? There are people like me who got no qualification whatsoever, but run businesseses and then hire people with degrees and who can speak grammatically correct and spell it right, and do the job for us.

And I earned the right to speak anyway I wanted, whether "Ya" or "Hi" or spell "whatever" as watever. So, take your posh stuck up attitude where it belongs. It sure doesn't belong in the world of diversity.

Will all you Englishmen please be English and stop your unpatriotic support of 'St George'.

For a start the true patron saint of England is 'St Edmund', St George being introduced by the Normans in an effort to alienate the English Christians.

You see after 1066 there was still resistance to the Norman occupation in England, most notably from 'Hereward the Wake', who's armies rallied in the marshes and, still flying the English flag, bravely resisted the Norman invaders. In face of this the Normans aimed to crush English national identity and pride, through the extensive use of a propaganda campaign, hoping to destroy the fighting spirit and unity of the Wake's forces.

So the 'St George's Cross' was introduced, a papal banner,killing three birds with one stone in, tying the English Christians more securely to the Pope, replacing the traditional 'English Dragon' and highlighting the papacy's support for the campaign as supposedly the Normans had divine right to England (because they'd offered the Pope money to say so).

Perhaps most infuriating of all of the fallacies the Normans have created in our history is the story of 'St George and the Dragon'.

They teach this story in Schools, I myself found a drawing I did at a young age depicting the brave 'St George' slaying the nasty dragon.

Little did I know then that 'St George' represents Normandy and that the dragon is 'England'. You see Mr Hook. You are correct in your fable, but you do not see the real story. And I think we all have to admit. Those Normans were bloody clever.

You should also take note that the Norman's only conquered this country militarily. Indeed they settled some 7,000 Normans in England replacing the English gentry and the crown. But that was it. The crown and gentry underwent big changes through the years, but the English people remained relatively unchanged.

So this is a plea. Flying the cross of St George is an unpatriotic act in itself.

England is in a mess and no wonder. Our national identity is in a mess and no wonder. Only by reestablishing the truth can we move forward.

If you are going to fly a flag, let it be the 'White Dragon' of England.

Let us be English. Not Norman.

Thank you for your consideration.

PILGRIM

I thought the dragon was Welsh?

I thought the dragon was Welsh?

It is.

And strictly speaking St George himself was Welsh, but we English celebrate his day for some reason.

Well, I say let's celebrate Beowulf instead then!

Well, I say let's celebrate Beowulf instead then!

Beowulf? The "Monster" who got owned by some bloke called Grendel? :hihi:

ROFL! You do know that was just a work of fiction right?

Beowulf? The "Monster" who got owned by some bloke called Grendel? :hihi:

ROFL! You do know that was just a work of fiction right?

Fiction? My *rse! It was poetry :P

Grendel was the monster but I think you already knew that :thumbsup:

It is.

And strictly speaking St George himself was Welsh, but we English celebrate his day for some reason.

I thought he was palestinian..........:help:

I thought he was palestinian..........:help:

I thought he was born in Turkey, then moved to Palestine later

Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonsoup http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=91687#post91687)
Does the Hook work or sign on I wonder


Didn't see that one. I don't work and kiss the ass of bosses. No. I didn't come all way from another country to work in some job or sign on. I have my own businesses. And what has that got to do with anything?

You think someone successful or has a job needs to speak pure english? There are people like me who got no qualification whatsoever, but run businesseses and then hire people with degrees and who can speak grammatically correct and spell it right, and do the job for us.

And I earned the right to speak anyway I wanted, whether "Ya" or "Hi" or spell "whatever" as watever. So, take your posh stuck up attitude where it belongs. It sure doesn't belong in the world of diversity.

Ummmmm..... The original post was made some time ago in 2005 and you are responding in 2008????

I think you may have "lost the moment" so to speak.

Anyway, speaking and spelling in good English is not the preserve of the POSH, nor is it an indication of someone who is stuck up. It is more likely to imply a love of our language and its correct usage.

You people know nothing. It sickens me to see how far the Engish have fallen. You don't even know the truth of your own history. Luckily this Englishman does. You may think the 'White Dragon' is welsh, or have the muddled and misguided view that St George comes from Wales. But you'd be wrong.

just do the research. wearetheenglish have the most accurate history, just for god's sake don't join their 'bring back the white dragon' campaign.

You people know nothing. It sickens me to see how far the Engish have fallen. You don't even know the truth of your own history. Luckily this Englishman does. You may think the 'White Dragon' is welsh, or have the muddled and misguided view that St George comes from Wales. But you'd be wrong.

just do the research. wearetheenglish have the most accurate history, just for god's sake don't join their 'bring back the white dragon' campaign.

Oh I'm glad someone who can help educate us all has joined.

I'm intrigued to know how many countries we've invaded over the years?

It quite annoys me that Ireland and Wales etc have bank holidays for their specific days while we are expected to just work as normal and not celebrate.

March 1, St David's Day, is not a bank holiday, either in Wales or anywhere else.

Oh I'm glad someone who can help educate us all has joined.

I'm intrigued to know how many countries we've invaded over the years?
When we have invaded countries we have done it for a reason,either to educate backwards countries or to free them from repression and we have done it openly,unlike others,There is more than one way to invade a country,we have never done via by the back door

When we have invaded countries we have done it for a reason,either to educate backwards countries or to free them from repression and we have done it openly,unlike others,There is more than one way to invade a country,we have never done via by the back door

So you don't count colonisation as invasion by the back door? I don't remember, from my history lessons, our ever invading the West Indies, New Zealand or Australia. We simply encouraged explorers to go out there to find out how we could exploit these countries for our own use, repress the indigenous populations and get what money we could. Not very noble, would you think? Of course, we gave the whole thing an air of morality by calling it "White Man's Burden". This was no more nor less a cover for colonisation for profit.

So you don't count colonisation as invasion by the back door? I don't remember, from my history lessons, our ever invading the West Indies, New Zealand or Australia. We simply encouraged explorers to go out there to find out how we could exploit these countries for our own use, repress the indigenous populations and get what money we could. Not very noble, would you think? Of course, we gave the whole thing an air of morality by calling it "White Man's Burden". This was no more nor less a cover for colonisation for profit.
And educate them...teachers have to be payed you know

There isn't a problem sending teachers out to developing countries and there never has been. There is no need, however, when you do this, to take over the country lock, stock and barrel, take the land off the indigenous people and sell it off to British settlers. Or are you saying that colonisation is the only way to pay teachers? I'm not sure that this is how Unesco works...